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2015 Texans Talk Mock Draft SELECTION

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steelbtexan said:
I'm not liking this pick at all, but the Falcons need a Leo type LB for Quinn's defense.

With the 8th pick in the TT Mock Draft the Atlanta Falcons select Randy Gregory 6'5 235 OLB Nebraska. Great burst with long arms. Better against the run than given credit for. Possesses Aldon Smith type abilities. Both good and bad. Send Gregory to the Aaron Hernandez school of how to beat the NFL drug testing.
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This guy is soooo dumb. He's completely off my board honestly. If he fell to the Texans in the 2nd and I'm the GM that is the ONLY way I take a chance on him.

I realistically can't see him dipping out of the first though, but I wouldn't even spend #32 on this numbskull.

How are you gonna be a self admitted weed lover, so you're already being watched, but THEN you are given a date to go for testing (NFL Combine) and all you have to do is just NOT smoke weed before this date so as to NOT put yourself in the substance abuse program.

Just don't do it!! You have a date of when and when NOT to do it. It can't be anymore clear than that... and you do it anyway!!! You are so dumb!

This guy may have all the talent in the world, but when you show me that you are probably one of the stupidest people in the draft that can't make quality life decisions you become dead to me. And I don't believe that I am alone in this line of thinking. I expect Gregory to slip into the 20s with top 8 (maybe top 5) talent.
 
With the #11 selection the Minnesota Viking select...

Trae Waynes - CB, Michigan St 6-0 186

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Tough pick for me as my top three guys were all still on the board and I figured only one would be left and I wouldn't have to decide between them.

Waynes is the unanimous top DB in this draft. Minnesota already has a pretty good secondary but I'm not passing on top talent at the CB position, especially when it positions us well for the future. Waynes can get his feet wet for a year before sliding in as the starter opposite Xavier Rhodes next year, pushing Munnerlyn to the slot.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I had PM'd my pick to Blake. Was there someone else I should have sent it to?
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I got your PM. But I wont be on a computer all the time. So sometimes this may happen where I wont proxy pick for you right away. In my defense it was opening day/night for the Astros. :P

We had a pretty good thing last year when picks were PM'ed to 3 people. Usually one of us was around. Can 2 others volunteer to help proxy pick via PM's? I think WolverineFan and someone else helped.

All picks are up to date here.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108159
 
bah007 said:
Waynes is the unanimous top DB in this draft. Minnesota already has a pretty good secondary but I'm not passing on top talent at the CB position, especially when it positions us well for the future. Waynes can get his feet wet for a year before sliding in as the starter opposite Xavier Rhodes next year, pushing Munnerlyn to the slot.
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Do you think he needs to wait a year even? I thought Captain, although he has a cool name, was pretty bad last year. I think Waynes day 1 could be better than Captain and kick him into the slot straight out of the gate, where Captain would probably work better.

Or do you want Trae to work for a year as a slot guy for better developmental reasons?

Side bar: Does anyone have PFF premium and all of the CB rankings? I want to see where Captain Munnerlyn stacked up against qualifying CBs on a list like PFF makes.

EDIT: I think I should have Googled before I asked. I just found this

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12(12) Browns (Playoffs) -- WolverineFan and bah007 - ON THE CLOCK
13(13) Saints (PHILLYTEXANFAN) -- PM'ed me his picks.
14(14) Dolphins (Mollywhopper) -- Get Ready
15(15) 49ers (mussop) -- Get Ready

We got 3 rounds done in 5 days last year. Lets at least shoot for 2 rounds by the end of this week.
 
TexansFTW said:
Do you think he needs to wait a year even? I thought Captain, although he has a cool name, was pretty bad last year. I think Waynes day 1 could be better than Captain and kick him into the slot straight out of the gate, where Captain would probably work better.

Or do you want Trae to work for a year as a slot guy for better developmental reasons?
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His scouting report says that he is a little grabby, which in the NFL is a huge no-no. So he probably just needs a little seasoning and he can compete for a starting role. He has tremendous speed which is gold in the NFL.
 
Blake said:
I got your PM. But I wont be on a computer all the time. So sometimes this may happen where I wont proxy pick for you right away. In my defense it was opening day/night for the Astros. :P

We had a pretty good thing last year when picks were PM'ed to 3 people. Usually one of us was around. Can 2 others volunteer to help proxy pick via PM's? I think WolverineFan and someone else helped.

All picks are up to date here.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108159
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I can help again this year.
 
TexansFTW said:
Do you think he needs to wait a year even? I thought Captain, although he has a cool name, was pretty bad last year. I think Waynes day 1 could be better than Captain and kick him into the slot straight out of the gate, where Captain would probably work better.

Or do you want Trae to work for a year as a slot guy for better developmental reasons?

Side bar: Does anyone have PFF premium and all of the CB rankings? I want to see where Captain Munnerlyn stacked up against qualifying CBs on a list like PFF makes.
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He needs some seasoning. Has all the physical tools but needs some technique work like Blake pointed out.

Minnesota signed Terence Newman recently though so I would expect Munnerlyn to slide to Nickel anyway with Rhodes and Newman/Waynes outside.
 
TexansFTW said:
Do you think he needs to wait a year even? I thought Captain, although he has a cool name, was pretty bad last year. I think Waynes day 1 could be better than Captain and kick him into the slot straight out of the gate, where Captain would probably work better.

Or do you want Trae to work for a year as a slot guy for better developmental reasons?

Side bar: Does anyone have PFF premium and all of the CB rankings? I want to see where Captain Munnerlyn stacked up against qualifying CBs on a list like PFF makes.

EDIT: I think I should have Googled before I asked. I just found this

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I prefer pretty much all rookie CBs not be thrown straight into the fire. The transition at that position is the toughest one in the league outside of QB. If he has to play a lot he will play a lot. But Minnesota is set at CB for the short term, which gives me the ability to work Waynes in slowly.

WolverineFan said:
He needs some seasoning. Has all the physical tools but needs some technique work like Blake pointed out.

Minnesota signed Terence Newman recently though so I would expect Munnerlyn to slide to Nickel anyway with Rhodes and Newman/Waynes outside.
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Pretty much this. Rhodes is CB#1. Munnerlyn is in the slot. Newman starts at CB#2 and slowly turns the position over to Waynes.
 
TexansFTW said:
This guy is soooo dumb. He's completely off my board honestly. If he fell to the Texans in the 2nd and I'm the GM that is the ONLY way I take a chance on him.

I realistically can't see him dipping out of the first though, but I wouldn't even spend #32 on this numbskull.

How are you gonna be a self admitted weed lover, so you're already being watched, but THEN you are given a date to go for testing (NFL Combine) and all you have to do is just NOT smoke weed before this date so as to NOT put yourself in the substance abuse program.

Just don't do it!! You have a date of when and when NOT to do it. It can't be anymore clear than that... and you do it anyway!!! You are so dumb!

This guy may have all the talent in the world, but when you show me that you are probably one of the stupidest people in the draft that can't make quality life decisions you become dead to me. And I don't believe that I am alone in this line of thinking. I expect Gregory to slip into the 20s with top 8 (maybe top 5) talent.
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I totally agree with you.

Justin Houston disagrees with you.

Hopefully Herm Edwards mentoring can help Gregory grow up and Gregory has a long and fruitful career.
 
Blake said:
We had a pretty good thing last year when picks were PM'ed to 3 people. Usually one of us was around. Can 2 others volunteer to help proxy pick via PM's? I think WolverineFan and someone else helped.
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If you want an outsider to do it, I can take proxy picks.
 
Mollywhopper said:
With the 14th selection, the Miami Dolphins select ...

La'el Collins, OL, LSU
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Nice pick. I'm a big fan of Collins. Him and Scherff are the two best OL in the draft IMO. Both guys have the versatility to play OG or OT although I think both project better to OG.
 
beerlover said:
Good Pick!
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WolverineFan said:
Nice pick. I'm a big fan of Collins. Him and Scherff are the two best OL in the draft IMO. Both guys have the versatility to play OG or OT although I think both project better to OG.
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Ya, I went to bed thinking DeVante Parker or Trae Waynes. Then I woke up. So, who better to take my frustrations out with than big, nasty La'el. Phins are weak at guard, and with Brandon Albert coming off of injury and Ja'Wuan James experiencing a big rookie learning curve I'm betting on Collins both pluggin holes on the roster and make holes for Lamar Miller.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ya, I went to bed thinking DeVante Parker or Trae Waynes. Then I woke up. So, who better to take my frustrations out with than big, nasty La'el. Phins are weak at guard, and with Brandon Albert coming off of injury and Ja'Wuan James experiencing a big rookie learning curve I'm betting on Collins both pluggin holes on the roster and make holes for Lamar Miller.
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An O-Line of Albert, Collins, Pouncey, Turner, James is nothing to sneeze at. That's (4) 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick on the starting unit. Quite different from the league worst unit they fielded 2 years ago.
 
Dam too three wrs and Wayne gone. Really was hoping one of those four would fall. Really considered Peters here but decided to go with

Wight the 15th pick SF 49ers select
Arik Armstead, DL Oregon
 
A lot of ways the Texans could go here, but I am going to continue building up the pass rush and try to replace the recent void of high motor and relentlessness that the departure of Brooks Reed created.

The Houston Texans select Shane Ray, LB, Missouri.

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Ray is a pure pass rusher and anyone can see that he gets off the ball quick with great burst and snap count anticipation.
 
I don't envy being in your position. Most people are going to complain about every Texans pick you make.

Having said that, I'm really not the biggest Ray fan. If it fell that way I'd rather have Peat, Dupree, or Brown.
 
bah007 said:
I don't envy being in your position. Most people are going to complain about every Texans pick you make.

Having said that, I'm really not the biggest Ray fan. If it fell that way I'd rather have Peat, Dupree, or Brown.
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I expect it.

I can understand that. Peat would be hard to sell since we have our tackle position locked up, and the Texans are big on having their first rounder contribute immediately. I thought about Dupree, but I think he is more of a boom bust prospect than Ray. And Brown plays a position that I feel is locked up with Wilfork and Nix.

Really makes a lot of sense for the Texans to try and trade up or down and move up and get their guy or drop down and get a better value.
 
bah007 said:
I don't envy being in your position. Most people are going to complain about every Texans pick you make.

Having said that, I'm really not the biggest Ray fan. If it fell that way I'd rather have Peat, Dupree, or Brown.
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I don't like the pick much either, would rather have those you mentioned or even Cameron Erving. I don't think Ray could play the SOLB. This pick shouts that there is no confidence in Clowney making it back.
 
JB said:
I don't like the pick much either, would rather have those you mentioned or even Cameron Erving. I don't think Ray could play the SOLB. This pick shouts that there is no confidence in Clowney making it back.
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I would like Erving, but @16 would feel like a reach.
 
Blake said:
I expect it.

I can understand that. Peat would be hard to sell since we have our tackle position locked up, and the Texans are big on having their first rounder contribute immediately. I thought about Dupree, but I think he is more of a boom bust prospect than Ray. And Brown plays a position that I feel is locked up with Wilfork and Nix.

Really makes a lot of sense for the Texans to try and trade up or down and move up and get their guy or drop down and get a better value.
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I actually like the pick. We need a Brooks Reed replacement and I think this guy would be an upgrade over Simon.
 
imagine if Clowney does come back healthy, pair him with Shane Ray, pick makes perfect sense. If Clowney doesn't you still have addressed pass rushing need.
 
ObsiWan said:
I actually like the pick. We need a Brooks Reed replacement and I think this guy would be an upgrade over Simon.
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All the people that hated Mario Williams slow getoff should like the pick. All the people that like high energy high motor guys should like the pick. All the people that like SEC DPOY winners and sack record from a school that produces pass rush talent should like the pick.
 
I will go on record that I like Bud Dupree with our 16th pick. When I watch him play I just wonder how good he could be with Crennel and Vrabel in one ear and Watt and Willfork in the other. Would be a perfect fit on the strong side to replace Reed and has experience dropping in limited coverage that you can see and don't have to project like with others at the position. In the end I don't think he will be there when the Texans pick at 16.
 
Blake said:
All the people that hated Mario Williams slow getoff should like the pick. All the people that like high energy high motor guys should like the pick. All the people that like SEC DPOY winners and sack record from a school that produces pass rush talent should like the pick.
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If pure pass rusher is what you're looking for, then I agree with you. I think he'll have trouble against the run and won't be able to drop in coverage at all. A one trick pony is what you're getting
 
JB said:
If pure pass rusher is what you're looking for, then I agree with you. I think he'll have trouble against the run and won't be able to drop in coverage at all. A one trick pony is what you're getting
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This is why I like Dupree and Orchard more than Ray. Even though Ray's one trick is a really good trick and I wouldn't be disappointed in the pick. Not that my opinion matters.
 
JB said:
It would a bit, but he won't be there at 51.

Besides, do you have any faith at all in Jones at Center?
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I have more faith in Jones at his original position than I do in anyone on our roster not named J.J. to get after the quarterback. I also get the idea Ray can athletically move in space, and in doing so be coached to do more than he was asked to do at Mizzou. He's not nearly as clunky as Mercilus for instance.

And I find it a bit funny how much pessimism there is in the Clowney thread about his prospects of returning and what kind of return he'll make, yet in draft threads there's a hidden optimism about his recovery tied to not wanting to draft his position.
 
JB said:
If pure pass rusher is what you're looking for, then I agree with you. I think he'll have trouble against the run and won't be able to drop in coverage at all. A one trick pony is what you're getting
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We have Vince, J.J., Cushing, and even Crick to take care of the run.

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And if Crennel/Vrabel can make a decent player out of Mercilus, perhaps he can to the same with Ray.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I have more faith in Jones at his original position than I do in anyone on our roster not named J.J. to get after the quarterback. I also get the idea Ray can athletically move in space, and in doing so be coached to do more than he was asked to do at Mizzou. He's not nearly as clunky as Mercilus for instance.

And I find it a bit funny how much pessimism there is in the Clowney thread about his prospects of returning and what kind of return he'll make, yet in draft threads there's a hidden optimism about his recovery tied to not wanting to draft his position.
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What has Jones shown you to give that much confidence in him? He knows how to get blown up even better than Myers? :kitten:
 
Quick question just made me think of while seeing Blake get eaten alive....

I did this last year and I was the Texans. I banged the table all off-season saying why I wanted EVERYTHING to do with Teddy Bridgewater and NOTHING to do with Jadaveon Clowney.

I was also eaten alive without mercy when I made the pick for TB.

Knowing what we know today do yall think I was wrong? Keep in mind that TB was without a running game and his best WR last year came off of the Browns practice squad like 3 or 4 weeks into the season.

I know this has the ability to derail the objective at hand, so if a mod feels like it will, I respect your decision to delete this comment. There is no need to move it as I likely won't go looking for it.
 
TexansFTW said:
Quick question just made me think of while seeing Blake get eaten alive....

I did this last year and I was the Texans. I banged the table all off-season saying why I wanted EVERYTHING to do with Teddy Bridgewater and NOTHING to do with Jadaveon Clowney.

I was also eaten alive without mercy when I made the pick for TB.

Knowing what we know today do yall think I was wrong? Keep in mind that TB was without a running game and his best WR last year came off of the Browns practice squad like 3 or 4 weeks into the season.

I know this has the ability to derail the objective at hand, so if a mod feels like it will, I respect your decision to delete this comment. There is no need to move it as I likely won't go looking for it.
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I think you were right, but that's JMO. I believe in Bridgewater (had only Luck and Bradford rated higher in last 5 years) and if you think you have a chance at a franchise QB you always take the QB.

I was okay with the Clowney pick because it looked like Bridgewater would drop and we could move back up to get him. Which is exactly what happened but we didn't make a move.
 
TexansFTW said:
Quick question just made me think of while seeing Blake get eaten alive....

I did this last year and I was the Texans. I banged the table all off-season saying why I wanted EVERYTHING to do with Teddy Bridgewater and NOTHING to do with Jadaveon Clowney.

I was also eaten alive without mercy when I made the pick for TB.

Knowing what we know today do yall think I was wrong? Keep in mind that TB was without a running game and his best WR last year came off of the Browns practice squad like 3 or 4 weeks into the season.

I know this has the ability to derail the objective at hand, so if a mod feels like it will, I respect your decision to delete this comment. There is no need to move it as I likely won't go looking for it.
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I'm still not sold on TB even though I admit he was better last yr than I thought he would be. He still has a lot to learn. Like all young QB's. I wish he was bigger and had a stronger arm.
 
JB said:
What has Jones shown you to give that much confidence in him? He knows how to get blown up even better than Myers? :kitten:
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I wasn't trying to sing Jones' praises as much as condemning our sorry pass rush. And holding out hope that Jones will have a better feel back at C than at G.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I wasn't trying to sing Jones' praises as much as condemning our sorry pass rush. And holding out hope that Jones will have a better feel back at C than at G.
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Agree that our pass rush (outside of Watt) was sorry, just don't think throwing another 1st round pick at WOLB fixes it
 
TexansFTW said:
Quick question just made me think of while seeing Blake get eaten alive....

I did this last year and I was the Texans. I banged the table all off-season saying why I wanted EVERYTHING to do with Teddy Bridgewater and NOTHING to do with Jadaveon Clowney.

I was also eaten alive without mercy when I made the pick for TB.

Knowing what we know today do yall think I was wrong? Keep in mind that TB was without a running game and his best WR last year came off of the Browns practice squad like 3 or 4 weeks into the season.

I know this has the ability to derail the objective at hand, so if a mod feels like it will, I respect your decision to delete this comment. There is no need to move it as I likely won't go looking for it.
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Anybody who tore you up about taking Bridgewater was wrong. And that has nothing to do with Clowney.

I understand and support the Clowney pick but it's not the pick I would have made. I would have taken Bortles or Mack before Clowney.

As for Bridgewater, I had him and Bortles both rated higher than any QB in this class.
 
bah007 said:
Anybody who tore you up about taking Bridgewater was wrong. And that has nothing to do with Clowney.

I understand and support the Clowney pick but it's not the pick I would have made. I would have taken Bortles or Mack before Clowney.

As for Bridgewater, I had him and Bortles both rated higher than Winston and Mariota.
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Fair enough,

I had Bortles ranked higher and Winston ranked much higher than TB. That was before all of the crap with Winston started. With that said if I had to choose a guy to be a franchise QB it would be Winston and an unnamed QB that I hope falls to the Jets in the 2nd rd.
 
JB said:
If pure pass rusher is what you're looking for, then I agree with you. I think he'll have trouble against the run and won't be able to drop in coverage at all. A one trick pony is what you're getting
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We drafted Vic Beasley?????
 
I just emailed Texan4Ever through the forum system and asked him to PM a list/choice to one of the group.

We're getting close to 4 hours, if anyone wants to try to begin finding a consensus pick for MIA we might need one.
 
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