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Andre Johnson released - cut by Colts - signs with Titans
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badboy
Hall of Fame
why should they? No reason to yet.
False Start
On # 69
I go bed ever night, and pray, this just some ploy by the Texans, to shake Dre and his camp up a little bit.
badboy
Hall of Fame
yep he will really be willing to play hard after going through this and taking a huge pay cut and in his mind at least being belittled. Shaming someone is not in any motivational technique I've heard of.I go bed ever night, and pray, this just some ploy by the Texans, to shake Dre and his camp up a little bit.
I doubt he'll take "huge" pay cut. RickyBobby done screwed this up, insulted the man out the gate. He'll wait for them to release him before he takes a significant cut to play with this team.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Cool, kingtexan is back to fume like a raving hobo about Matt Schaub!
Quick, someone quote some Matt Schaub passing stats! If you hit enough of his triggers, you can visualize the spittle hitting the keyboard.
Don't worry, he's not having seizures, he's just been rambling about the same thought in a manic loop since 2013:
Even though he advocated throwing ice at Schaub and made strange allusions to Schaub's family, he never acted on it, so he's harmless. When his episode runs its course, buy him some Thunderbird and a new blanket and he'll go pass out behind the 7-11 without a peep.
No. Marshall is younger and his cap hit was about half of AJ's. I don't think anyone will trade for AJ and absorb that huge cap hit for a relatively old WR.
That is a very good question. The "Texans East" have already released Wilfork. The Colts have released Wayne. Why don't the Texans cut Johnson?
1) They still have hopes for a trade, or one is in the works.
2) They want to bring him back, reduced salary or not.
3) They don't respect their aging veterans as these other clubs do.
4) They know damn well he's going to the Colts and he'll get his "40 catches" in the two games the Texans play the Colts.
5) They are the new, tough Texans and they are making a statement. (A "cut off the nose to spite the face" moment).
Anyway, it's late and the growler and cigar were good. That's all I have.
All off the above for 500 Alex
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You don't trade cap hits. The new team only accounts for the new money. The old team keeps the old money ($5.625 for Marshall, $7.3 for AJ). Marshall will count $7.7 for the Jets. If traded AJ would count $11.5 if he attends all the off-season stuff, a mil less if he does not.
6) How this went down isn't what was sold to McNair and there is some scrambling going on.
I can see this, I can see McNair being surprised by the news and being pissed about it. Problem is how to make it right now? If AJ's meeting with OB really did go as he said, how can you possibly bring him back as a happy employee? Extend his contract and make it fully guaranteed? Will even that do it? There seems to be a rift between the two that may never be closed.
Again, we have heard nothing from the Texans side, but they will have to make some kind of announcement soon I would think.
If traded, the prorated portion of Aj's cap number stays with us. So the team he is traded to will only have a $10.5M cap hit for Andre vs the $7.7M hit the Jets will take for Marshall
Marshall's also signed through the 2017 season where a trade for Andre would be a one year rental.
& lastly the Bears GM was working, actively seeking a trade while RickyBobby kicked back & told Andre to find his own trade.
6b) O'Brien just made his boss out to be a liar (remember McNair's "I want you to retire a Texan" statement?) and might has some serious 'splainin' to do.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Does anyone on this site really believe that OB made this move without Bob McNairs pre-approval? 
No way.
Bye Bye AJ. Maybe your new team won't mind you missing OTA's. I think OB did.
AJ was the "good" AJ as long as things were going his way. New sheriff in town has different rules.
I don't think OB is a pampering type of coach.
No way.
Bye Bye AJ. Maybe your new team won't mind you missing OTA's. I think OB did.
AJ was the "good" AJ as long as things were going his way. New sheriff in town has different rules.
I don't think OB is a pampering type of coach.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Under O'Brien, players are expected to put the team first. Those who violate this rule will be in the dog house and with a strong likelihood of seeking employment elsewhere.
Does anyone on this site really believe that OB made this move without Bob McNairs pre-approval?
yep
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
No way in hell did McNair not know this. None.
Does anyone on this site really believe that OB made this move without Bob McNairs pre-approval?
No way.
Bye Bye AJ. Maybe your new team won't mind you missing OTA's. I think OB did.
AJ was the "good" AJ as long as things were going his way. New sheriff in town has different rules.
I don't think OB is a pampering type of coach.
Exactly. I suspect that Billy made it clear in the beginning of his negotiations with McNair for his his job that when and if the time came when he (O'Brien) felt it was necessary to part ways with veteran players, even the teams most iconic player and somebody who McNair was very sentimental about, that he O'Brien could on his own cut such players as he did with Andre just as Belicheck did with the Patriots iconic NT this week.
Then McNair's sit-down with AJ last year, assuring him that he would retire a Texan, makes absolutely no sense. McNair made a promise he just gave up any final say in.
And if I'm a F/A interested in coming to the Texans, my price just went up because I'm just a piece of meat to the coach and the owner is a liar. Oh and I want my money guaranteed because I see you'll cut me to save a buck.
I while might know that same situ exists if I go to the Pats, I also know they have a QB that can get me to the playoffs and likely the SB. The Texans... not so much
Technically nothing changed. They told AJ that his role would be reduced...he is the one requesting to be traded/ released. I doubt McNair gave any guarantees about playing time/ receptions/ TD's.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Welcome to the business of the NFL.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Does anyone on this site really believe that OB made this move without Bob McNairs pre-approval?
No way.
Without McNair's knowledge that a move was going to be made? - no.
Notice how I phrased the speculation above - the way this went down wasn't what was sold to McNair. That assumes an approval of some action with McNair's approval. But hell yeah I could see Smith/OB having gotten approval for "hey, we're going to talk to AJ about restructuring to reflect his current contribution" with McNair thinking 2300 yds last 2 years, maybe 2000 next 2.
And then hearing in the press the approach was 40 catches and thinking he got rather transparently bait and switched.. Yeah, that very well could have happened.
Even if it did McNair is going to have to back OB which means AJ is gone barring some serious Houdini work by McNair.
Then AJ would have been gone last year and/or McNair wouldn't have made the statements he did because he would have seen this coming.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Texans use posters on this forum to make all decisions. It is known.
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A smart way to get AJ off the books and to not make McNair look like a liar.
Even though we know that McNair while not flat out lying certainly played with the truth. The thought that McNair didn't know what was going down from the McNair/Kubiak/Schaub apologist club is laughable and shows true ignorance of the Texans power structure. The McNair's particularly Cal have their hands in every aspect of the team. Particularly when it comes to cutting a franchise/marketing icon like AJ.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If McNair told OB he had the final decision on the 53, I can buy it. OB decides to reduce his reliance on AJ and doesn't need permission to do so. McNair may not like the result of giving OB this control, but is astute enough not to make it an issue at this time since it's so close to the time he gave OB that control. But it stays in the back of his mind.
OB must now show improvement or at least reason for hope of improvement. Not really any different than if he doesn't change AJs role.
But that's me.
I still think there's a chance AJ remains and they all wind up singing Kumbaya.
ps - Making a believable argument and actually believing that is what happened are NOT the same thing. It's too closely aligned with "plausible denyability" for my taste. That has always simply meant a "believable lie" which I detest.
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Ok that's a valid point, and I hear your logic, but a whole season has passed since then and maybe Billy has a different take on Andre after standing on the sideline and watching him play for him (play for O'Brien) a whole season and also after watching Hopkins play and now only after last year views Hopkins as his clear #1 WR an now wants a difference sort of play for his #2 WR who he feels he can replace Andre with for less cap. Could be a lot of things since the conclusion of last year ? If Billy is as smart as many think he is, then I would think his football intellect is flexible and open to amending and and still evolving.
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People aren't used to a HC with say over the final 53 who's smart and flexible. Times are changing in Texans land. For the better? I certainly think/hope so.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
True ignorance is thinking omnipotence and omniscience coexist in owners. The former they have, the latter no. Haven't seen anyone suggest McNair knew nothing about this, but it's entirely possible he didn't know everything.
But carry on with this straw man "knew nothing" rejection.
How did I know you would be responding with this sh!t very quickly.
Somebody still holding onto the old regimes way may be a touch butthurt/defensive?
Times are a changing, time to get on board with the new way BOB is running things.
Lets just hope he knows what he is doing when it comes to talent management. His first draft is yet to pay a meaningful dividend now lets see how he does with his first Free Agency (with real money to play with.)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Spare me the juvenile non-response banter.
I said nothing about old ways v. new ways. Not even close.
I'm excited, I believe job #1 is replacing the OL and getting Newton re-signed. Hopefully KJ, I would love to see what Newton could do at LG and drafting a OT. I'm hoping Wisnuski (SP) is oicked up in FA. That guy is what BOB is looking for at C. IMHO
7) They'll release him today before the free agency period starts.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Yes...6'-3"/313 lbs with 33" arms and 10 3/8" hands. I'm wanting him also.
And give me Jeremy Maclin as our slot receiver.
I honestly don't understand this kind of thinking. If Andre was grossly overpaid because his production dropped, I can understand. Or if he never was worth plus money to begin with.
But he can still play. Any coach worth his salt should be able to find a way to win with Andre. What's better than having Hopkins & Cobb on the same team? Hopkins, Cobb, & Andre.
I understand his cap is out of whack, but I'd much rather they work towards getting it fixed, than just getting rid of him. If they can't work it out, fine. Let him go. But this seems more like choping off our nose to spite our face.
He's not what he used to be, but he's still a plus player. Still better than every receiver we've ever had not named DeAndre Hopkins.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
But that's what I think the issue is.
We can't know exactly what was said in that meeting without hearing a recording of it. Any retelling is going to skew some things this way or that.
I think the "reduced role" part is exactly what you say there: OB wants to highlight Nuk and make him the #1 receiver going forward. Maybe even bring in another young receiver of some sort. AJ could drop to the #2 or even #3 option.
We don't know where the "40 receptions" thing came from.
AJ doesn't want to be a #2 and doesn't think he's anything other than a #1 receiver. I don't blame him for that but I think he may be falling prey to the classic issue of a player not being able to see or accept their failing skills as they age.
OB has to do what's best for the team. Let's hope that whatever he's doing IS what's best for the team.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
According to AJ it was non-starter i.e. no better than #3.
I don't understand how we "can't be sure" what was said in the room, but we're positive Andre doesn't believe he's anything less than a #1.
For all we know Hopkins was "designed" as the #1 all year & Andre still garnered more targets. Like I said before, why would OB wait a full season before working Andre into his "new role"?
& Andre has never been so selfish that he "demanded" to be the offense's focus. He didn't demand that when Arian continued to get carry after carry, or OD & Dressen got all the end zone targets.
To be "this" upset, it's easier for me to believe they described a role drastically different from what he played in 2014 & I don't think he was the #1 in 2014.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Like I said though, unless we were there, we don't know how accurate that is or if AJ focused on the worst possible case or something.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
We don't know what AJ has or has not demanded because he's been very good about not making his demands public. That doesn't mean he hasn't made them, just that we don't know about it.
And I thought AJ said that he considered himself to still be a #1 receiver. Wasn't that part of what he said?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Just like every other discussion where we only have what is reported.
And AJ made this one pretty clear with his statements about being a non-starter playing behind who? It wasn't not going to be #1. It wasn't being put behind Hopkins.
It also doesn't sound like worst case scenario. You tell a competitor like AJ we may draft a WR at 16 and see what falls where he's thinking "I've got this" not "I'm not a starter." He basically said exactly the opposite - that the Texans were denoting him without him even being beaten out.
Norg
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Shouldn't Rick smith be lookin to trade aj they told aj agent he can seek a, trade b UT Andre does not want to be traded he wants to be cut
Smith is lazy this is the off season. It's his time to shine get at least a 6th for Andre I would say 5th but this is Rick smith we are talking here
Smith is lazy this is the off season. It's his time to shine get at least a 6th for Andre I would say 5th but this is Rick smith we are talking here
I took what he said to mean he thought he was still a starter, which is one of two for WR.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I'm sure they already explored trading him before the conversations and discovered that nobody was willing to take on that contract. Telling a player that he is free to seek a trade is a last ditch effort to show him that he is not worth what he thinks he is... hoping that he will come back to the club and negotiate a smaller deal.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That would have been really stupid since that gets leaked all the time.
Agreed.
Which is why "three teams" saying they're willing to pay Andre $10.5M for 2014 seems awfully underhanded by those teams.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
You think GMs dont, or shouldnt, explore trade possibilities, because it could be leaked?...
In this case, so what if it was leaked? The Texans want to move on from AJ. They shouldnt make big decisions about the teams future prioritizing offending the playe they no longer want.