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Ryan Mallett
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EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Kinda like the JDC thread.....
speedfreek
All Pro
"The Texas Hammer" has to be retained now. Look
at what is out there in free agency -- and how high the
price already is for those guys.
Cut StinkyPete(tm) and give that money to Mallet.
Our other 2 QB's are fine for cheap backups.
With the Dre news, we're going to have a lot more positions
to fill with the draft and free agency than I thought.
And if Mallet goes down in 2015, we aren't winning jack-sht
anyway...
at what is out there in free agency -- and how high the
price already is for those guys.
Cut StinkyPete(tm) and give that money to Mallet.
Our other 2 QB's are fine for cheap backups.
With the Dre news, we're going to have a lot more positions
to fill with the draft and free agency than I thought.
And if Mallet goes down in 2015, we aren't winning jack-sht
anyway...
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Get rid of one player (possibly in trade for returning assets) = a lot more positions to fill
Not sure I get this new math...
PapaL
Loose Screw
speedfreek
All Pro
If your a GM, are you going to offer assets for Dre when you know he
isn't happy and the Texans are going to cut him anyway?
Because, that's not what I would do. Unless it's like a late round pick.
And that isn't going to get us a quality receiver to replace him.
isn't happy and the Texans are going to cut him anyway?
Because, that's not what I would do. Unless it's like a late round pick.
And that isn't going to get us a quality receiver to replace him.
speedfreek
All Pro
Especially when WR was already on the list
#1/#2 receiver wasn't on the list. Now it clearly is..
michaelm
vox nihili
I'm pretty sure his point was that letting AJ go creates one more position to fill, not a lot more positions to fill. A single position more than they had previous to letting him walk.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Low dead money is good for the team, but I suspect a multi year deal would require an opportunity for Mallett to opt out so he could secure a more favorable contract as a starter with experience.
There's room to work with incentives and I would prefer to see more up front with a longer commitment than the prove it deal for less. This is where your base negotiating style comes into play. Is it win-win or win-lose (aka Bargaining negotiations)?
I hope that we can find a mutually beneficial solution. But it takes two to make that work.
Hate to say it but if Mallett is the Texans starting QB .... they aint winning jack-sht anyway ....:mariopalm:
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So which QB are they supposed to get that will win jack-sht?
That's a good damn question .... I don't think they find him this season , this one is another much like last year where we are searching for an answer and all the options are wrong.
None of Mallett , Keenum , Fitz or Savage are the answer .... Don't think any of them get you better than 9 W's.
Don't have a snowballs chance in hell at Winston or Mariota and I have my doubts about both being franchise quarterbacks and its highly doubtful they help you win this year.
There are a few second tier prospects in Hundley , Petty & Grayson but they have bigger questions surrounding them than the top two and none of them help you win now.
None of the potential FA's are worth a damn ....
This team could field a defense comparable to the 85 Bears and still be on the outside looking in on the post season.
Blake
MMQB
Thats a very bleak outlook on the future of the Texans. We might as well cut everyone with a bloated cap and just lose out since we have zero chance of winning jack-****.
We should have done that last year .... then we'd be in position to draft one of the top prospects instead of being in the same boat we have been since Schaub fell apart.
Going 9-7 was great after that 2-14 disaster .... but it didn't help the future prospects of the team. It reminds me of the Rockets in the years between Yao/McGrady & getting Harden. They weren't good enough to compete with the big boys and weren't bad enough to get any help in the draft and if not for OKC being cheapskates they'd still be in the same predicament.
It sure looks like I'll be making a "who's your quarterback V3.0" next year ... just like the last two offseasons.
They need to strike gold at the QB position ....
You know this how?
Not saying your wrong, but I'm willing to give him a chance.
After all you thought Schaub was the answer.
Not saying I disagree with you, sort of like the 6-10/8-8 first 2 seasons of Kubiak? With the 85 Bears defense I think You or I could've played QB and made the playoffs.
Mallett's biggest issue is accuracy and that's the most difficult thing to fix in a QB ....
As for thinking Schaub was the answer - He was .... before the injuries but by the time the team was good enough , Schaub was damaged goods.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
A whole lot of people around here need to just keep their day jobs and leave the fortune telling to Miss Cleo.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
16 is a prime spot in the NFL..... not so much in the NBA.
Flacco, Rogers, or Bridgewater could have easily been had with the 16th pick & it's not that expensive to move up to get a Roethlisberger or Cutler.
As a matter of fact, look back through 2004... which QBs do you regret not having a shot at?
banned1976
sleeper mode
Difference between this year and last year is last year they had the first pick in every round in a draft that was pretty good at the top as far as QB's were concerned. This year the QB draft class is weak.
People think I hate Ryan Mallett, I don't hate Ryan Mallett. I hate the fact that the Texans put themselves in the position that they are going into another season in which they still have this huge question mark at the most important position in football. And that's whether they sign Mallett or not. I can't even be upset about the AJ situation because like most years he's played here he would be underutilized in 2015 as a Texan.
And last year at this time the overriding wisdom on this board was to pass on QBs in the 2014 draft because the 2015 draft was going to be loaded with quarterbacks.
Keep kicking that can down the road...
Porky
Hall of Fame
sandman
Brexit Advisor
How does someone who holds NFL records at the game, season and career levels get underutilized in most of the years he was here?
banned1976
sleeper mode
The answer to that question is in his TD totals.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
That's a pretty weak argument. Outside of 2013 the Texans offense has not had an issue scoring in the last several years and regularly finished top 10. They've had great RB and TE end zone presence and it wasn't needed.
Calvin Johnson went for 122 catches and almost broke 2000 yards a few years ago. He had 5 TD's all season. I'm sure you considered him underutilized as well.
banned1976
sleeper mode
You don't think AJ could have been utilized better in Houston? OK, that's fine if that's what you think. But we all have said, one time or another in AJ's career, why the hell aren't they throwing the ball more to AJ in the red zone. I've said it every year. 7 of the years he was here he didn't score more than 5 TD's in a season and never, in his 12 did he break into double digits. Calvin Johnson has scored double digit TD's half the years he's been in the league.
You're using one year and one player to base your argument...that's weak.
Now there's a solid post from you about your thoughts on Mallett. Regardless of agree/disagree, your perspective is understandable.
My own positive attitude on Mallett is purely choice. None of us really know what Mallett is going to be - if we even sign him - and we could either be set next year this time or still grasping for straws just for a starting QB.
I hate this "QB limbo" as a fan. It is almost a feeling of hopelessness, which is why I kinda' decided to just try to be positive about it until we have something tangible to analyze. But, I cannot blame someone for being negative right now. The wait for next season can be excruciating as a fan.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah you could argue that any HoF caliber WR who hasn't been hooked up with anyone even in a HoF sniffing conversation has been underutilized. While AJ and CJ have been trying to share in a 24 TD pie, others have been sharing in 40 TD pies being thrown by Brady, Manning, Rodgers.
During AJ's time in the league Brady has (missing a season) thrown for 346 TD's + Cassel for 367 TDs. Manning 392 TDs.
During that time the Texans have put up 224.
See the disparity?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I really don't want to win J-S. I'd much rather win a Superbowl.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Isn't she in jail?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
At some point, every QB is a question mark, and every team is taking a leap of faith when selecting and developing a QB. If there is any factor that reduces the odds of failure, it's the time and resources spent in developing the prospect before starting him.
You could throw one more name on that list - Aaron Rodgers. Sure wouldn't mind having taken him instead of .... Travis Johnson.
Quarterback is really a crapshoot .... dude taken 1:1 can be all world or .... hot garbage. Dude taken 6:199 might be the greatest of all time .... but is more likely to be a flop.
For fans its easy to get wrapped up in the early selections of the draft and think one of those players could fix all our problems because they have the physical tools ... while the next group (or some hidden gem) lacks those elite physical tools but brings a cerebral process & run of the mill physical tools to the position that far outclasses those elite physical tools & no feel for the game.
That is why QB is the hardest position to fill in sports .... For every Peyton Manning there are a dozen Ryan Leaf's .... for every Tom Brady there are hundreds of tail end of the draft names we never hear.
Given the guy you listed - Travis Johnson - and the Texans recent luck with Clowney, it seems like even the safe defensive line picks are a risk. All picks carry a risk. Maybe the Texans should go for the high reward pick for a change, although last year would have been the year to do that since they were sitting at 1/1 and could take the QB of their choosing.
I think some NFL teams get lost in that trap as well. Personally, I think it's about the teams dedication to developing that QB that is more important. Once a team says, "That's my guy." It doesn't matter whether he was the #3 overall (Joey Harrington), the 90th overall (Schaub), or an UDFA (Romo).
The team has to put him in a position to succeed & I'm hoping now that the rookie wages are slotted, teams will take their time about putting these kids on the field.
I think Gary Kubiak was an excellent QB/offensive teacher. I'd love to have seen what he could have done with a guy like Kevin Kolb, Brady Quin, Kyle Orton... Jason Campbell...
I like what OB has done with Fitz & hope it translates well with what he can do with Mallett, Savage, or even Bryce Petty/Brett Hundley.
You did see what Kubiak did with Kolb/Quin/Orton/Campbell.
His name was Matt Schaub and Kubiak did a fine job with him until Schaub got injured and the wheels fell off.
His name was Matt Schaub and Kubiak did a fine job with him until Schaub got injured and the wheels fell off.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I think that can be said of every position on the field, not just QB.
All those guys were more athletic than Schaub & more apt to pick up a first down with their legs if needed.
Had we drafted them, we'd have had them when they were younger as well... in that 22-28 age range, where we got Schaub when he was already 27 (like Mallett).
I think the NFL has gone too far in pushing the passing game. It has come to a point where teams that lack great-to-elite QBs are almost guaranteed to not compete in championships. Defenses can barely breath on WRs these days, and QBs are given so much freedom and protection that they possess an almost "chess queen" like powers on the field. They can still take big hits from time to time, but more often than not, they are heavily protected by rules and then get to slide to safety. It is really starting to feel unbalanced as a fan.
True, but no other position is as important in today's pass-happy NFL.
I suspect OB will start talking up Fitzpatrick/Savage soon.
Ryan Mallet not being signed by the Texans by now....
He's not officially a free agent yet is he? I mean no one else can sign him before the 10th right?
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Ryan Mallet not being signed by the Texans by now....
Very curious WTF bob has in mind for next season, hasn't resigned mallet yet, cut myers, letting AJ go.
Man next season is looking real uninteresting....
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
Ryan Mallet not being signed by the Texans by now....
They're going to do a pro wrestling type reveal. The masked man we assumed was Mallet that took the staring job from Fitz with a folding chair revealed himself to be Brian Hoyer.
Queue the nWo theme song
Yeah, you're right...I'll have to keep checking the forum all weekend for an update!
As long as it's not a dreaded "rebuild"....
Good point. And scary that this year's QB FA crop is so dismal...gives Mallett's side too much leverage...
lol!
--->Rick Smith
