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JaDeveon Clowney

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Brisco_County said:
It's an opinion piece. There is no update, and won't be for a long time. Let's put the thread back on pause.
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Exactly! No update despite it being posted "latest update" but worst it indicated Clowney will miss 2015 and then article says nothing like that; it says surgery could end his career. We have been discussing that since surgery and is not the latest update. Seemed like just a negative piece with no value.

If anyone liked that "info" here is some just like it. Mallett may sign with Texans in off season.
 
Brisco_County said:
It's an opinion piece. There is no update, and won't be for a long time. Let's put the thread back on pause.
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I got a better idea. Let's just lock the thread. Since there won't be an "update" "for a long time", then feel free to start a new one when an "official" "update comes along . . . in 2016.

We happy now? :rolleyes:
 
badboy said:
Exactly! No update despite it being posted "latest update" but worst it indicated Clowney will miss 2015 and then article says nothing like that; it says surgery could end his career. We have been discussing that since surgery and is not the latest update. Seemed like just a negative piece with no value.

If anyone liked that "info" here is some just like it. Mallett may sign with Texans in off season.
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I agree. The title may have validity, but the article does not support the position. It's like forecasting a bad Orange Crop in Florida and then linking to a climate database which is not specific to any geographic locality.
 
Marshall said:
I agree. The title may have validity, but the article does not support the position. It's like forecasting a bad Orange Crop in Florida and then linking to a climate database which is not specific to any geographic locality.
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What? What? Are you saying the price of Orange Juice is going to go up?

:coffee:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
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All hail his holy noodleness! I see the the FSM in that red splash. Where is Raptor Jesus?

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*cough cough*

He should get on that AP recovery plan, yes I know his was a ACL and this is technically worse but his "sports clinic" really did alot to make him comeback stronger and faster than ever. :D
 
infantrycak said:
Oh absolutely. Frankly I think it was a very smart "oh ****" moment. He got rid of it knowing the play but unable to see the player and was under serious duress. I suspect he has never come out and said definitively "I was throwing to Clark" because it wasn't clear in his own mind...which was still a brilliant play and as you say one of many clutch moments from Montana.
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ObsiWan said:
That's what I remember. I think Solomon was the primary target and Montana tossed it, high, in that direction, thinking if Freddie can't get to it no one else will either. One of the Cowboy defenders (Everson Walls?) confessed that he didn't even think it was catchable so he didn't make a play on it. Then Dwight Clark freakin' came out of nowhere and snagged it.
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Further this sub-conversation, did y'all happen to see the episode of "A Football Life" on Bill Walsh?

He said in his book, Finding the Winning Edge (considered a coaching Bible), that this play was designed exactly how it played out. They created that play for specific moments in the game and practiced it accordingly (as mentioned previously in interviews with players). Walsh said it was designed so that the only player that could catch it would be Clark, and otherwise it would sail out of bounds.

Just food for thought. Back to our regularly scheduled depressing thread on Clowney.
 
Happy 22nd JD, and we sure hope your rehab is coming along OK and we hope you have a successful recovery and are ready to play for the Texans this fall.
Good luck young man, wishing the very best for you. And once again from your Texans' fans Happy Birthday JaDeveon.
 
Any updates on Clowney? I know Rick Smith did an interview a few weeks ago that was about 7 weeks s/p surgery and he still wasn't putting any weight on his leg.
 
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Just a gut feeling (or wishful thinking). Clowney will be back in 2015 in full force. By week 4 he will be wrecking offensive coordinators gameplans. Super pumped for his return.
 
Blake said:
Just a gut feeling (or wishful thinking). Clowney will be back in 2015 in full force. By week 4 he will be wrecking offensive coordinators gameplans. Super pumped for his return.
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I'm giving it another year before he is anything more than a space eater. But I hope I'm wrong and we don't release him just as he get's back into form because I suspect he will be tentative this season.
 
I hope im wrong by Clown will be a BEAST...................... for some other team LOL when he finally gets 100%
 
Blake said:
Just a gut feeling (or wishful thinking). Clowney will be back in 2015 in full force. By week 4 he will be wrecking offensive coordinators gameplans. Super pumped for his return.
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Honestly, I don't think he takes one snap next year. It's a serious injury/surgery and he's already behind schedule on his rehab. He likely will go on PUP to start the season and won't be ready until midseason at the earliest. At that point they should just shut him down and let him fully heal instead of forcing him back before he's ready (again). It would be so Texans though to bring him back and he gets re-injured.
 
WolverineFan said:
Honestly, I don't think he takes one snap next year. It's a serious injury/surgery and he's already behind schedule on his rehab. He likely will go on PUP to start the season and won't be ready until midseason at the earliest. At that point they should just shut him down and let him fully heal instead of forcing him back before he's ready (again). It would be so Texans though to bring him back and he gets re-injured.
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He's behind schedule?
 
WolverineFan said:
Reports (unconfirmed) from the Combine indicate as such.
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Really, where? OB from the combine:

O'Brien: Clowney learned about being a pro, playing w/injury, watching veteran teammates, fellow rookies.

"That guy has to be able to think quickly."-O'Brien on the QB that plays/excels in his offensive system.

O'Brien: Clowney's rehab is on right track. Has been very disciplined in rehab process, which is taking place in Houston.
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infantrycak said:
Really, where? OB from the combine:
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Report doesn't explicitly state that he's behind on rehab. That's just what I inferred (hence unconfirmed). I do believe Rick Smith is crazy though if he expects him back by week 1.

NFL draft insider Tony Pauline has heard from a "number of people" that there is "serious concern" about Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney's surgically repaired knee.

Pauline cites "numerous sources, including those close to the Texans" when cautioning to "not expect much" from Clowney in 2015. "He may struggle to ever regain full health from the microfracture surgery," Pauline writes. As of late January, Clowney could bear no weight on his knee.
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Playoffs said:
It is very bad news.
So if we take another OLB in the first round this year, will this board melt down?
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That would be the prudent choice after this news, imo.
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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2430153#post2430153​

Nitrofish said:
I believe this kid will be fine, and will be well worth his draft status in the long run. Time will tell. Good luck Clowney!
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Blake said:
Just a gut feeling (or wishful thinking). Clowney will be back in 2015 in full force. By week 4 he will be wrecking offensive coordinators gameplans. Super pumped for his return.
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And the rest of the league learns what we've been saying here...

2015 NFL Combine Rumors: Thursday, Feb. 19
By Tony Pauline, http://draftinsider.net/

It's the day before the first full day of workouts at the 2015 NFL Combine. So what's the skinny as the offensive linemen and tight ends prepare to take the field at Lucas Oil Stadium? Here's the latest I'm hearing with some additional notes on the free agent corners as well as Jadeveon Clowney.

Jadeveon Clowney, DE/OLB, Texans:
I've spoken with a number of people since the Senior Bowl who have openly said there is serious concern over Jadeveon Clowney's future. A variety of opinions have come from numerous sources, including those close to the Texans. I've heard everything from don't expect much from Clowney in 2015 to the belief he may struggle to ever regain full health from the microfracture surgery. The reasoning for the latter is Clowney underwent the procedure at an early age.​
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Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline
...the news i'm hearing is very sad...
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Looks like an absolutely nothing new "update." Until he gets back and proves otherwise his career is in doubt. We've known that since the word microfracture appeared. Unlike Pauline apparently we also knew non-weight bearing is standard. And we know return times are all over the map. Unless we hear something about re-injury, infection or an indication of being behind schedule...
 
infantrycak said:
Looks like an absolutely nothing new "update." Until he gets back and proves otherwise his career is in doubt. We've known that since the word microfracture appeared. Unlike Pauline apparently we also knew non-weight bearing is standard. And we know return times are all over the map. Unless we hear something about re-injury, infection or an indication of being behind schedule...
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That's why I was surprised by the behind recovery comment. No news...back to basketball I go.
 
WolverineFan said:
Honestly, I don't think he takes one snap next year. It's a serious injury/surgery and he's already behind schedule on his rehab. He likely will go on PUP to start the season and won't be ready until midseason at the earliest. At that point they should just shut him down and let him fully heal instead of forcing him back before he's ready (again). It would be so Texans though to bring him back and he gets re-injured.
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I don't know about him being behind schedule, but I'm all for him going on pup or IR/designated to return (that at least leaves the option of activating him open).

I'm all about the long term with this guy. Give him enough time to heal and rebuild his strength. The money is already spent, so why risk it?
 
badboy said:
he still has a bone spur issue correct?
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I always wondered where the "bone spur" report came from? Not saying it's not true, but certainly if this was an issue he would have gotten it taken care of during his IR bid. It is a fairly minor surgery compared to the microfrature.
 
WolverineFan said:
Report doesn't explicitly state that he's behind on rehab. That's just what I inferred (hence unconfirmed). I do believe Rick Smith is crazy though if he expects him back by week 1.
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He's not behind and week one was always an optimistic projection at least and completely unrealistic at worst. I suspect he will play, but not well until he regains both strength and confidence in the knees. I'm not counting on his being an impact player in 2015, but spelling the guys who are is possible. But I may also be a bit of a pessimist.
 
cland said:
I always wondered where the "bone spur" report came from? Not saying it's not true, but certainly if this was an issue he would have gotten it taken care of during his IR bid. It is a fairly minor surgery compared to the microfrature.
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He has talked about them so there is no question about it. He has refused surgery for a long time, prior to getting to the Texans.
 
Marshall said:
He's not behind and week one was always an optimistic projection at least and completely unrealistic at worst. I suspect he will play, but not well until he regains both strength and confidence in the knees. I'm not counting on his being an impact player in 2015, but spelling the guys who are is possible. But I may also be a bit of a pessimist.
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I might be completely wrong on this, but I'm not nearly as concerned about his leg strength as I am the health of his menisci. That's an extremely slow healing tissue (hence microfracture surgery to increase blood flow) and I'm concerned that bringing him back too quickly will only weaken and/or tear his meniscus again. I think that will take longer to strengthen than leg muscles. Maybe CnD will pop in and let me know if I'm off base on this.
 
DocBar said:
I might be completely wrong on this, but I'm not nearly as concerned about his leg strength as I am the health of his menisci. That's an extremely slow healing tissue (hence microfracture surgery to increase blood flow) and I'm concerned that bringing him back too quickly will only weaken and/or tear his meniscus again. I think that will take longer to strengthen than leg muscles. Maybe CnD will pop in and let me know if I'm off base on this.
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I share your concerns. But there won't be much documentary evidence for success rates for the newer microfracture procedures which I believe were employed. I think we can only hope rather than make an educated guess this time around.
 
Marshall said:
I share your concerns. But there won't be much documentary evidence for success rates for the newer microfracture procedures which I believe were employed. I think we can only hope rather than make an educated guess this time around.
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True, but IMHO, time heals all wounds and giving JDC ample time to heal will give him and the Texans the best opportunity for a successful recovery and long term health. Basically, I just don't want to see the Texans rush him back. I wouldn't bat an eyelash at stashing him on IR for all of 2015. In fact, if I were running the show, that's probably what I would do.
 
Playoffs said:
Dr CND is the one who discovered that and understood its importance.
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infantrycak said:
It was all over the place last year as a reason for his off year that he was playing through injury.
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It's importance as to predisposing him to the type of injuries (from the ankle up to the hip) that he suffered (sports hernias/meniscus). Information that had it been given its proper weight -- or did they even know? -- it would have prompted a request for contrast imaging of the knee/hip, at least.
 
Playoffs said:
It's importance as to predisposing him to the type of injuries (from the ankle up to the hip) that he suffered (sports hernias/meniscus). Information that had it been given its proper weight -- or did they even know? -- it would have prompted a request for contrast imaging of the knee/hip, at least.
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Doc certainly filled us in on the ramifications. I'm just saying the bone spurs were well documented and that bone spurs are secondary to some other problem.
 
infantrycak said:
Looks like an absolutely nothing new "update."
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You mean Rick Smith's update from the combine saying he's on schedule? I saw that in my FB feed today. As expected, no real information. The Texans media "updates" are a slow drip of damage control until the guy is in the public eye again.
 
Norg said:
u think the Texans will play it safe and start him like week 10 with only like 20% of the snaps

or be reallyyyy safe and IR him again for 2015


some new national story some guy wrote up and plasted on MSN stuff we prob already know

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/‘serious-concern’-over-jadeveon-clowney’s-knee/ar-BBhLKOA


we might just get 1 year out of him in 2016 and then cut him or 2016 will basically be his contract year to either play good or Retire from he NFL :mariopalm:
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From Yardbarker???? Seriously? And his only reference is Tony Pauline?
 
WolverineFan said:
Report doesn't explicitly state that he's behind on rehab. That's just what I inferred (hence unconfirmed). I do believe Rick Smith is crazy though if he expects him back by week 1.
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Dr. Rick Smith?

Just about as good as the Texans medical staff.
 
WolverineFan said:
Honestly, I don't think he takes one snap next year. It's a serious injury/surgery and he's already behind schedule on his rehab. He likely will go on PUP to start the season and won't be ready until midseason at the earliest. At that point they should just shut him down and let him fully heal instead of forcing him back before he's ready (again). It would be so Texans though to bring him back and he gets re-injured.
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This is my sentiment exactly, and honestly I hope they IR him for the year and let him try to make a comeback in 2016. As for what O'Brien said, what did you expect him to say? All Texans personell are going to tow the company line in the press. Yall do remember all the press about how Ed Reed isn't injured, then is injured but will be ready for the start of the season, then will only miss a few games, and in the end it turned out he was very injured and sucked the life and money out of us. This team has a history of lying like a rug when it comes to player injuries. In the end none of us know the truth and only time will tell, but I can easily see the Texans rushing him back and Clowney getting re-injured. Like all teams the Texans care about their players well being but only to the extent that they sell tickets and jersey's. Clowney is a liability until he's on the field, then he's an asset. Also I'd rather have my expectations very low for Clowney and be pleasantly surprised by a quick return, than to have my expectations sky high and then be disappointed by a re-injury.
 
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