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Save us Savage!!!!!!!
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htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Is it just me, or does Savage put a lot of (maybe too much) air on the deep ball? He nearly got DeAndre killed on that one long ball that DeAndre caught for a second only to have it knocked out by a huge hit by the safety.
Nah, it's just you.
Too much. It was like a moon shot and it gave the safety too much time to get over to make a play.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Savage timed it correctly and Hopkins caught it in stride. The reason the hit occurred was because the safety knew who Savage was going to throw it to. If Savage did anything wrong, it was being predictable. Hopkins did a great job getting separation. His hands are amazing, but that hit was too direct.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Other than maybe cutting it loose a bit sooner or looking the S off, that was a good sideline pass that hit Nuk in stride. Nice play by the S getting over there, but Nuk had two hands on it.
TS has a strong arm that he sometimes relies on too much, ending up with a flat arc. I've heard more than once he needs to work on the over LB/under S balls.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Savage was essentially a practice player who was on the roster because of his potential which made him a candidate to be picked up by another team like we just did with Keenum. This is why I suspect he will not return this year. But next year my be a different story.
If Keenum has even limited success going 1-1, then there could be a REAL battle for the starting job next year among Mallett, Savage, Keenum and Fitz. This is the order I suspect they have going into the off season with Mallet being a outlier because of his recovery time. He won't be ready for OTAs and probably not even for Training Camp, but will be lurking in the background if he re-signs with us.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Where's Fitz?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
First two seasons of his career, JJ Watt was on teams that went 22-10 with two division titles and four playoff games. This season, they were playing in week 15 for both a shot at the playoffs and division title. It's not like he nor the team have never tasted success.
OB is building a team and looking for a QB to plug into it. Not finding a QB to build a team around. Considering what he has done in the first year with essentially NO quarterback, this system doesn't need a Brady or Manning to be successful. Fitz had a career year in this system. So I doubt they are going to waste JJ's career by not going for a QB at 1:1.
It's my understanding that Keenum is here on a game by game basis. He has no contractual obligation to be with the Texans beyond the regular season. In other words, there's no reason for him to be at OTAs, unless we extend him a contract.
I don't see that happening.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There is no "essentially" about it. Savage was not on the practice squad. He was and is under contract to the Texans.
Correct.
This is the reason that weapons need to be added to WR/TE corps this offseason. If the Saftey was worried about a TE down the seam or a fast WR like Parker beating them deep then maybe Savage would have had the opportunity to look off the safety.
Do you find it ironic that the Saftey didn't knock the crap Posey when he ran the same exact route that Hopkins ran? Teams don't respect the other WR position and the current TE weapons are laughable.
Yeah, he'll have to take us to the Super Bowl this year and win it to even be considered being brought back next season.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I wondered the same thing. Probably excluded because of number of snaps.
How do we know this system doesn't need a top QB to be successful? What has it accomplished that you would deem a success? Ride a Pro Bowl RB to a .500 record? This would be a playoff team had they gotten anything out of the passing game.
"This system" was successful in New England. Did the QB have something to do with that? I would think so. I think O'Brien should keep looking very hard for a QB that can turn this system into an actual success.
Yep. Bledsoe was in the same system, and he didn't take that team to several AFC championship games and Super Bowls.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
One of the more successful hook, line and sinker propaganda campaigns by a new coaching staff.
If it's the same offense O'Brien ran in NE (which we understand to be the same), then the answer to your question is 2008 Matt Cassel. He also did well in 2010 with the Chiefs when Charlie Weis was brought in as OC to run the same offense.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Is that really a great example? Cassel in his 4th year in the system took the 18-0 Patriots to 10-5 and missing the playoffs for the only time since the Texans came into existence. He then had a pretty good one year riding Jamaal Charles' almost 2000 yds from scrimmage.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Fitz did play his best football with us for the most part, I think.
But success = playoffs, D.C., S.B. We're a 7-9/9-7 team at best with FitzBeard.
I think it's a great system, but you still need top QB play for consistent success in the NFL.
Sure. Lucky asked if this system needed a top QB to be successful, and it does not if you have a great team around it. But, that pretty much goes for every offensive system not run by Peyton Manning.
The point is that I think this system can be successful with a consistent game manager with the right pieces in place. I do not think the Texans have to wait for some HoF QB to have success with it. It just needs a smart and accurate QB, which are O'Brien's top requirements for his QBs.
Exactly. This is a quarterback driven league (see Watt MVP thread). There are valid reasons to pick up a top quarterback rather than a placeholder. QB is the key position that makes an offense run efficiently.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Ehhh, it's all so chicken and egg.
I don't think any team can wait for a HoF QB.
But I can't think of a QB on a team that goes to the playoffs say 5 out of 6 years (pick some description of consistently, most of the time, whatever) who hasn't ended up in the conversation for top tier QBs.
The gulf between HoF and game manager QBs is wide, and contains "good", "top", or "your descriptor of choice" QBs. These QBs will run the offense much better than a game manager. They are also available every year, so the team doesn't have to wait for a Hall of Famer. That's the guy the Texans need, unless that rare sure fire hall of fame guy falls to them.
San Fran went to three NFC championship games in a row with Kap. He's certainly not a top tier QB. Although it appears the league is now figuring him out...
You could probably throw Eli and Big Ben in that mix of not being top tier QBs that have had success. Maybe depends on how to define "top tier", but I'm assuming elite here (ie 3-4 QBs).
And I'm not disagreeing with you, but just pointing out that this scheme does not have to have a top tier QB to find success. That was my basic point. I think Fitz could have taken this team to the playoffs this year, all things considered, and he's far from ever being considered top tier.
Unfortunately, you do not really know if you have a great QB until they are tried by fire, and that can often take a season or two to figure out. Unless that player is Andrew Luck, the rest of them are gambles.
Which is why I think we have just as good of a chance with Mallett as we do with "pick a FA or rookie QB" next year.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really, he wasn't discussed as top tier after those 1st 5 years in the league? He sure got paid like it.
And you'll note, they went with a different OC instead of a different QB.
To me top tier is the elite plus usually 3-5 more who you pretty much never hear Schaub-like discussions about whether a team can make a SB with them at QB.
Big Ben has certainly been top tier in my book. Eli is too damn inconsistent and throws too many picks but prior to last year I still think most would have called him top tier.
I'm sorry, I thought we were going on my opinion.... you're right. He was in the conversation & he got paid like a top QB.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
For a lawyer, you're really obtuse. Essentially implies something beyond appearance which I described. He was not ever going to play this season (ie Practice Player) unless something extraordinary occurred. Unfortunately it did.
The REASON he was under contract and not on the PS was his potential. See how that works for you.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Apology accepted.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Dumb question but where can I rewatch the game
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Lazy footwork has Savage late to his mark, bouncing it off Arian's hip.
Lazy or just not used to game speeds? He looked like he was running a practice drill on that one and Foster was at game speed. He picked his pace up in later plays handing it off. Foster went the wrong way on a different play I assume because he did not hear the play call correctly after hearing Brown say they could barely hear him in the huddle. Everyone makes mistakes. I am sure he was very nervous. Who wouldn't be?
NFL Game Rewind is the best if you are willing to pay. But there are options to download if you have a fast connection. PM me if you want a link to download files. Personally I recommend the Game Rewind.
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Mudbugs.........YUM
Did someone forget the little red potatoes?
But I know what you were subtly suggesting.
For a rookie 3rd team QB playing in his 1st game I thought Savage played well. Especially when you look at how other rookie QB's played with preparation.
I think some posters are being way to critical of how Savage played in that game and don't realize how hard it is to play QB in the NFL.
It's kinda like when you move to a new job and it's your 1st day . You know how to do the new job but don't know where everything is and spend time meeting all of your new co-workers. 99% of the people in this situation are very nervous. It's human nature.
This is how Savage was Sunday. The encouraging part was Savage seemed to play better as the game went on.
I think some posters are being way to critical of how Savage played in that game and don't realize how hard it is to play QB in the NFL.
It's kinda like when you move to a new job and it's your 1st day . You know how to do the new job but don't know where everything is and spend time meeting all of your new co-workers. 99% of the people in this situation are very nervous. It's human nature.
This is how Savage was Sunday. The encouraging part was Savage seemed to play better as the game went on.
Luv me some mudbugs.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Mudbugs.........YUM
Did someone forget the little red potatoes?
But I know what you were subtly suggesting.
I wish Cak hadn't posted that. I have to wait until April for my next NOLA trip.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yep. I totally agree with this.
He's a rookie getting his first playing time. It shouldn't be a surprise that he made rookie mistakes. He's got a lot to learn and a lot to work on but a couple of throws he made were world-class.
I can't wait to see how he develops. I just wish he'd be able to play these last two games just for the experience.
I don't get it.Mudbugs.........YUM
Did someone forget the little red potatoes?
But I know what you were subtly suggesting.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Exactly. I thought he looked damn good all things considering and that only fortifies my thoughts that he's gonna be our guy in the end. You could tell he was nervous but was trying desperately to calm himself down. I think that more than anything was the reason for the fumbled exchange. He "over-calmed" himself and slowed himself down TOO much if you will.
He certainly looked better than Johnny Jam-Boogie who's been getting at least a few 1st team reps all season and had a whole week of practice with the 1st team to get prepared for his 1st start; he even had a little regular season game time he could lean on from the week prior. Savage outplayed him in both stats and poise. If it weren't for Devier Posey's punk ass, he might've led us to a win.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
The tone is not positive for his return this year.
Then there's this...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
They've never officially identified the injury, but have no doubt that it is at least a posterior collateral tear (PCL.....an injury not uncommonly accompanied by other structural injuries). I would hope that we don't see him the rest of the season, lest someone slaps on a large bulky brace and repeats an RGIII-type experience.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Thank you, friends. I didn't feel optimistic myself. Just a hunch.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
"Savage has the size, strength and talent to succeed in the NFL, and he has a coach who knows how to get the best out of players at that position. In the AFC South where you have big quarterbacks like Andrew Luck (6-foot-4, 240 pounds) and Blake Bortles (6-foot-5, 232 pounds) leading their respective teams, Savage (6-foot-4, 228 pounds) seems like a solid choice for the Texans going forward."
At 6'6" and 245, can't everything said above about Savage be said about Mallett? I understand the point he is trying to make. Just not sure that he can make it without arguing that Mallett is the guy as well.
At 6'6" and 245, can't everything said above about Savage be said about Mallett? I understand the point he is trying to make. Just not sure that he can make it without arguing that Mallett is the guy as well.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Savage looks like a young Nick Cage.
Mallett looks like Vanilla Ice
Advantage: Savage.