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2014 College Football Season

Wow! Cook follows up a nice deep ball with one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen
 
JB said:
I sure hope that Petty goes to a situation where he can sit for a year or two and not be asked to save a franchise right off the bat
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I do as well. I like him. He really does seem like a great kid. I would be totally comfortable taking him in the 3rd or 4th and letting him sit if we hadn't just done that with Savage last year.
 
thunderkyss said:
I originally asked the question because PayPal said he wasn't impressed with Petty's throws to wide open receivers. Does the fact that he understands the system enough to know where the open guy "should" be & the ability to get the ball to him (some of which were very nice throws, that last bomb under pressure)... aren't those types of things any NFL coach would be looking for?
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Of course. But the system is so simple that he shouldn't get brownie points for understanding it. I would be more inclined to give him a negative if he wasn't capable of operating it the way that he does.

Petty really struggles throwing any route that isn't a vertical or screen. So the system maximizes those throws for him. But no NFL system is going to be able to replicate that. It's too simple and defenses will take that away and force him to throw everything else, and he really struggles doing that.
 
bah007 said:
I do as well. I like him. He really does seem like a great kid. I would be totally comfortable taking him in the 3rd or 4th and letting him sit if we hadn't just done that with Savage last year.
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yep, sitting like Rodgers did would do wonders for him
 
thunderkyss said:
I originally asked the question because PayPal said he wasn't impressed with Petty's throws to wide open receivers. Does the fact that he understands the system enough to know where the open guy "should" be & the ability to get the ball to him (some of which were very nice throws, that last bomb under pressure)... aren't those types of things any NFL coach would be looking for?
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How many times does that happen in the Pros? The guy that should be open is? It looks to me that it's all predetermined throws. I see lots of quick throws to uncovered guys. That's rare, unless you're playing against the Texans secondary, in the NFL. I've seen Cook look right, middle, and hit the guy on the left. He may not have set a record here but he's going through his reads. I'm not saying Petty hasn't made some nice throws. I'm saying it's rare when a guy is 5 yards open down the field at the next level. Those are the easy throws all QBs should make.
 
PapaL said:
Baylor kicker was just LEVELED on that run back. Ouch.
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That was WR Tony Lippett who put him down. He's been playing both ways at WR/CB and on all the special team units as well.

Kid is a true team player and clutch as hell.
 
bah007 said:
Of course. But the system is so simple that he shouldn't get brownie points for understanding it. I would be more inclined to give him a negative if he wasn't capable of operating it the way that he does.

Petty really struggles throwing any route that isn't a vertical or screen. So the system maximizes those throws for him. But no NFL system is going to be able to replicate that. It's too simple and defenses will take that away and force him to throw everything else, and he really struggles doing that.
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PapaL said:
How many times does that happen in the Pros? The guy that should be open is? It looks to me that it's all predetermined throws. I see lots of quick throws to uncovered guys. That's rare, unless you're playing against the Texans secondary, in the NFL. I've seen Cook look right, middle, and hit the guy on the left. He may not have set a record here but he's going through his reads. I'm not saying Petty hasn't made some nice throws. I'm saying it's rare when a guy is 5 yards open down the field at the next level. Those are the easy throws all QBs should make.
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This really has nothing to do with Petty from my POV, he's just the example in this case. I have very little hope that the Texans will be drafting a QB in 2015. I'm just asking.

A lot of the things OB expects the QB to do is based on what he sees pre-read. Being able to read defenses & understanding how the routes will affect the defense, dictating how Petty will read his progressions.

That's a skill that is valuable at the next level. At the very least it's something that could be built on, right?

& I'm not arguing with you Papal. I haven't seen enough of Petty to determine if he's a one read guy or not.
 
Michigan St in prevent taking away all the verticals and all of a sudden Petty can't find anyone open...
 
Exhibit A on why Petty won't do anything at the next level. Dude threw 50 passes without being touched today and threw for 500+ yards. Good job I guess but that doesn't happen in the NFL.

MSU finally gets pressure on him 3 plays in a row and the result is 2 sacks and a pick to end the game.

The difference between him and Cook in crunch time was startling.
 
thunderkyss said:
This really has nothing to do with Petty from my POV, he's just the example in this case. I have very little hope that the Texans will be drafting a QB in 2015. I'm just asking.



A lot of the things OB expects the QB to do is based on what he sees pre-read. Being able to read defenses & understanding how the routes will affect the defense, dictating how Petty will read his progressions.



That's a skill that is valuable at the next level. At the very least it's something that could be built on, right?



& I'm not arguing with you Papal. I haven't seen enough of Petty to determine if he's a one read guy or not.
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I agree. The kid deserves a chance, he can throw the ball for sure. I've only seen bits and pieces of him this year. I wouldn't drat him #1 overall is all I'm saying.
 
WolverineFan said:
Exhibit A on why Petty won't do anything at the next level. Dude threw 50 passes without being touched today and threw for 500+ yards. Good job I guess but that doesn't happen in the NFL.

MSU finally gets pressure on him 3 plays in a row and the result is 2 sacks and a pick to end the game.

The difference between him and Cook in crunch time was startling.
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I would think Baylor's previous drive was more comparable to MState's last drive. Baylor needed to score to put the game out of reach. Petty did a good job with some good throws to get his team in scoring position, if not for that face-mask... he may have accomplished what he set out to do. Actually, if not for the blocked kick, the game would have been over.

That last drive. 17 seconds in the game... I just don't think it's an apples to apples comparison with Cook's last drive. That's an impossible situation & he's got nothing but bad choices to choose from.
 
thunderkyss said:
This really has nothing to do with Petty from my POV, he's just the example in this case. I have very little hope that the Texans will be drafting a QB in 2015. I'm just asking.

A lot of the things OB expects the QB to do is based on what he sees pre-read. Being able to read defenses & understanding how the routes will affect the defense, dictating how Petty will read his progressions.

That's a skill that is valuable at the next level. At the very least it's something that could be built on, right?

& I'm not arguing with you Papal. I haven't seen enough of Petty to determine if he's a one read guy or not.
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The difference is that Petty isn't the one doing the reading pre snap. Everything in that offense runs through Briles. They call a play, line up, and then Briles looks at the defensive alignment and signals in to the QB what alterations they are going to make. Petty has no decision making responsibility in that process.
 
WolverineFan said:
Exhibit A on why Petty won't do anything at the next level. Dude threw 50 passes without being touched today and threw for 500+ yards. Good job I guess but that doesn't happen in the NFL.

MSU finally gets pressure on him 3 plays in a row and the result is 2 sacks and a pick to end the game.

The difference between him and Cook in crunch time was startling.
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I wouldn't go that far. But I do think that he is incredibly overrated as a pro prospect. Fantastic college player though.

If he is ever going to have any pro success he is going to have to do a lot of learning in the near future.
 
Cook is making a good decision returning to school. He has some accuracy and decision making issues, but he really put it together when he had to. Can see why people are high on him. But another year in school will really help him.
 
bah007 said:
The difference is that Petty isn't the one doing the reading pre snap. Everything in that offense runs through Briles. They call a play, line up, and then Briles looks at the defensive alignment and signals in to the QB what alterations they are going to make. Petty has no decision making responsibility in that process.
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Yeah, I saw a lot of that today. Didn't look like it was every play so I didn't know if that was the norm all year, or if it was special for this game.
 
thunderkyss said:
I would think Baylor's previous drive was more comparable to MState's last drive. Baylor needed to score to put the game out of reach. Petty did a good job with some good throws to get his team in scoring position, if not for that face-mask... he may have accomplished what he set out to do. Actually, if not for the blocked kick, the game would have been over.

That last drive. 17 seconds in the game... I just don't think it's an apples to apples comparison with Cook's last drive. That's an impossible situation & he's got nothing but bad choices to choose from.
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I'm not going to bash the kid for not leading a scoring drive on that final drive. Like you said, a near impossible situation.

I'm talking about game on the line and being under pressure. Cook converted a 4th down under pressure and hit another pass while under pressure. He was a bit inaccurate and missed some throws, but he didn't take sacks or turn the ball over. You can win with a guy who stays poised under pressure, even if he's somewhat inaccurate.

Flip over to Petty and it wasn't the same at all. I don't expect him to win the game in that situation, but he couldn't even complete a pass when under pressure. When MSU finally got to him he took sacks and turned the ball over. If he completes a few passes but they run out of time and they lose then I wouldn't be making such a strong statement. But you can't win with a guy who cannot stay poised under pressure, no matter how many yards he can throw for when he's untouched.
 
JB said:
Cook is making a good decision returning to school. He has some accuracy and decision making issues, but he really put it together when he had to. Can see why people are high on him. But another year in school will really help him.
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I don't think it's such a good decision. I think there are several teams that will invest in a first round QB this year, taking advantage of that fifth year option.

I bet most of those teams are looking for an alternative to Winston. He could very well be the second QB taken in this draft, top 5. Next year is next year & a lot of the way people perceive Connor Cook has nothing to do with Connor Cook.

Most likely won't happen, but he might lose his HC & several teammates, putting him in one impossible situation after another & MState may only win 5 games because of it. Then he's just a project. A third round pick if you just have to have a QB.

Taj Boyd was supposed to be a late first & was drafted in the 6th? Because he was the exact same guy he was the year before. Now people are saying, "He couldn't beat out Geno Smith."

Matt Lienart went from the census 1.1 to a reach at 10.
 
Boyd was never a late first. He was perceived that way by media people and bloggers who don't know what they are looking at. Box score watchers.
 
bah007 said:
They call a play, line up, and then Briles looks at the defensive alignment and signals in to the QB what alterations they are going to make. Petty has no decision making responsibility in that process.
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I hate hate hate that they do this in college. There should be a rule...
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Playoffs said:
I hate hate hate that they do this in college. There should be a rule...
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As an evaluator I hate it as well. It stunts your QB's mental growth. But as a coach it's a pretty fantastic idea. Why should you put decisions in the hands of a 22 year old when they can be made by an adult who's been coaching football for longer than that kid has been alive?
 
Yeah, I'm old fashioned.

My job would be to teach these boys to make decisions for themselves -- on and off the field -- so they can be better prepared for their future (on or off a field).
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think it's such a good decision. I think there are several teams that will invest in a first round QB this year, taking advantage of that fifth year option.

I bet most of those teams are looking for an alternative to Winston. He could very well be the second QB taken in this draft, top 5. Next year is next year & a lot of the way people perceive Connor Cook has nothing to do with Connor Cook.

Most likely won't happen, but he might lose his HC & several teammates, putting him in one impossible situation after another & MState may only win 5 games because of it. Then he's just a project. A third round pick if you just have to have a QB.

Taj Boyd was supposed to be a late first & was drafted in the 6th? Because he was the exact same guy he was the year before. Now people are saying, "He couldn't beat out Geno Smith."

Matt Lienart went from the census 1.1 to a reach at 10.
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You're speaking as a fan, not what's best for the kid football wise. Look at Luck, Manning and many others. I don't think you can think of draft position if your focus is on your own best football needs. Don't put money first unless you're struggling to survive
 
JB said:
You're speaking as a fan, not what's best for the kid football wise. Look at Luck, Manning and many others. I don't think you can think of draft position if your focus is on your own best football needs. Don't put money first unless you're struggling to survive
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If I were Connor Cook & thought I was in that "Luck, Manning, Rivers" type category, you're right & it wouldn't matter. If I wanted to go back for whatever reason, it would weigh heavily on me.

If I'm Connor Cook, & I don't see myself that way and I'm being told I could be the second QB taken in this draft, I'd capitalize on that, thinking my stock is more likely to drop next season.

Granted I said the same thing about Mariota last year & it looks like I was wrong in that case. I also don't think these guys are being prepared for the NFL any how. I don't know that Mariota is a better prospect this year than he was last year.
 
This, a dog fight, is what FSU has been in all year long. I think they win this game. Should be a great second half.
 
ok, Winston just topped Cook for "stupidest play of the year"

edit: watching the replay, that almost seemed intentional
 
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