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Brett Hundley

eriadoc said:
Mallett dropped from the first round to the third largely because of character/maturity issues. If he had been drafted in the first, we would have seen by now what he was or wasn't because he would have gotten the opportunity dictated by draft position. If Mallett hasn't developed by this point, chances are he won't turn into the next great QB.
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I don't get this logic. Who he was behind matters. It's not like he was behind Hoyer or Fitz. Then he might have taken the starting job. But he was behind Tom Brady and Brady missed 0 games. Matt Schaub's value exploded essentially off 1 game where he got to start for an injured Vick against New England. One game and there were multiple suitors.
 
eriadoc said:
Mallett dropped from the first round to the third largely because of character/maturity issues. If he had been drafted in the first, we would have seen by now what he was or wasn't because he would have gotten the opportunity dictated by draft position. If Mallett hasn't developed by this point, chances are he won't turn into the next great QB. We saw some good things, but it's not like he blew us away or anything. Still, if the coaches feel he's where he needs to be at this point in his career, I'd rather have him at the helm than a rookie, no doubt. Nonetheless, you draft Hundley if you feel like he has the potential to bloom into the guy you want under tutelage.

As for specific differences at the same points in their careers, I think Mallett has a bigger arm, but beyond the point where it actually matters. Hundley doesn't have the same issues with touch passes. Hundley has a better feel in the pocket, in terms of ability to feel the pressure and slide. To my eye, Hundley has a quicker release, which is nice. They both have accuracy issues, but I tie that to footwork, which is completely correctable with pro coaching as long as the player can be coached. Both are very intelligent football players. Hundley is obviously far more athletic than Mallett, but more importantly, he has demonstrated the mentality to extend plays behind the LOS instead of beyond. Hundley has demonstrated the ability to feel the rush and slide in the pocket. There was a stretch during the season when I felt like he was getting happy feet, but the last couple games of the season he really cleaned that up. That athleticism coupled with the mentality to pass first is a key difference.

So there's some similarity, to be sure, but Hundley scores higher in having a quicker release, better athleticism, the mentality to use it in an NFL style, and doesn't overly rely on his arm strength. Part of what got/gets Mallett into trouble is the belief that his arm is so strong he can do anything. That results in some bad decisions.
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I agree with a lot of this post. Except they both suffered from accuracy issues, Mallett playing behind Brady, how was he supposed to have a chance to show what he can do? Mallett doesn't have the feet Hundlley does but he's not a statue and gets rid of the ball quickly.

Mallett was a better prospect than Hundley coming out of college. IMHO After playing in only one healthy game in 4 yrs nothing has changed. Except Mallett has a much better grasp of the offense. I just cant see how anybody can evaluate Mallett at this point. Or especially be able to compare Hundley to Mallett at this time.

Who you should be compairing Hundley to is Savage. I don't get how drafting Hundley is an upgrade over Mallett/Savage is an upgrade, especially at the cost of a 2nd rd pick. Of course this could just be me being intrigued after seeing Mallett against the Browns. Where he was very solid.

I like Grayson in the 2-3rd rd better than Hundley.
 
It's not so much a lack of pocket awareness as it is an inability to multitask. He does tend to drop his eye level a lot when the rush comes in and that's because he can't avoid the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. He brings the eyes down, uses his great mobility to avoid, but then he has no idea what's going on downfield once he gets out of the pocket. Once he pulls the ball down he's gone.

Watch the great ones (Manning, Brady, Rodgers) they are able to avoid the rush while keeping eyes downfield, reading defense, and going through progressions. They process all of this quickly and then throw strikes through tight windows. Hundley has not shown the ability to process information in this way. His information system is very linear and once he makes his decisions he doesn't have great accuracy when he's throwing downfield.

I'm reminded of a very athletic Blaine Gabbert when I watch him. Protect him and it's all good. He'll sit there and find his guys. But if he gets pressured then everything starts breaking down. The thing that makes him superior to Gabbert is his ability to scramble once things break down instead of making bad decisions with the ball. The problem is things break down a lot in the NFL and if you spend all that time scrambling then you're not going to be around very long.
 
WolverineFan said:
It's not so much a lack of pocket awareness as it is an inability to multitask. He does tend to drop his eye level a lot when the rush comes in and that's because he can't avoid the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. He brings the eyes down, uses his great mobility to avoid, but then he has no idea what's going on downfield once he gets out of the pocket. Once he pulls the ball down he's gone.

Watch the great ones (Manning, Brady, Rodgers) they are able to avoid the rush while keeping eyes downfield, reading defense, and going through progressions. They process all of this quickly and then throw strikes through tight windows. Hundley has not shown the ability to process information in this way. His information system is very linear and once he makes his decisions he doesn't have great accuracy when he's throwing downfield.

I'm reminded of a very athletic Blaine Gabbert when I watch him. Protect him and it's all good. He'll sit there and find his guys. But if he gets pressured then everything starts breaking down. The thing that makes him superior to Gabbert is his ability to scramble once things break down instead of making bad decisions with the ball. The problem is things break down a lot in the NFL and if you spend all that time scrambling then you're not going to be around very long.
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Eyes down, holds ball to long, takes to many sacks = poor pocket awareness (to me)
 
infantrycak said:
I don't get this logic. Who he was behind matters.
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Sorry, I should have been clearer. What I meant to suggest is that if it weren't for the character issues, he would have been drafted in the first round and therefore he would never have been behind Tom Brady. He would have played by this point because of the draft position, and we'd know what he is by now. I'm not saying anything negative about Mallett.

steelbtexan said:
Mallett was a better prospect than Hundley coming out of college. IMHO After playing in only one healthy game in 4 yrs nothing has changed. Except Mallett has a much better grasp of the offense. I just cant see how anybody can evaluate Mallett at this point. Or especially be able to compare Hundley to Mallett at this time.
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I disagree that he was a better prospect than Hundley. I wouldn't have disagreed with you a few years ago, but my analysis of college QBs has changed over the past few years. What I tend to value the most is between the ears. After that, it's mechanics. After that, it's athleticism, but specifically how he uses it. Doesn't make me right or you wrong, just my point of view is all. I see the accuracy issues as correctable because I believe it's tied to his footwork. I don't see things like motion, release, and shoulder slot as correctable. QBs can obviously be taught to read defenses and pick up an offensive scheme, but how they think is ingrained by this point.

WolverineFan said:
It's not so much a lack of pocket awareness as it is an inability to multitask. He does tend to drop his eye level a lot when the rush comes in and that's because he can't avoid the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. He brings the eyes down, uses his great mobility to avoid, but then he has no idea what's going on downfield once he gets out of the pocket. Once he pulls the ball down he's gone.

Watch the great ones (Manning, Brady, Rodgers) they are able to avoid the rush while keeping eyes downfield, reading defense, and going through progressions. They process all of this quickly and then throw strikes through tight windows. Hundley has not shown the ability to process information in this way. His information system is very linear and once he makes his decisions he doesn't have great accuracy when he's throwing downfield.
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Valid concern on the quickness of thought. And allow me to say, I'm discussing a flawed prospect. I am aware of that. I started this whole discussion with the notion that I don't like any of the prospects from last year's or this year's drafts all that much. I do like Hundley the best so far of the ones I've watched. There are many more I know very little or nothing about. So I don't necessarily disagree with your analysis on his quickness of processing. We'll have to see how that plays out. I do reject the notion that he throws too many short passes. I also reiterate that I believe his accuracy issues are somewhat easily correctable.

But frankly, I don't see any of the QBs from the '14 or '15 draft becoming great unless they're allowed to develop. Whether that's on the bench or on the fly is somewhat irrelevant, but stick the guy in a system and allow him to repeat it 10000 times and he'll be as good as he's going to get. Keep changing coaches/systems, directives, etc., and he'll struggle. None of these guys are good enough to carry their teams early on, IMO.
 
Texian said:
Eyes down, holds ball to long, takes to many sacks = poor pocket awareness (to me)
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And you wouldn't be wrong. I was talking about his big flaw and was implying that I believe the lack of awareness to be a symptom while I find the way he processes information to be the root cause.
 
The question I, is where would Mallett with 4 yrs in the system rank in this draft class compared to any other QB?


For me the answer is I have Mariota as the only QB ranked above Mallett.

In short I believe in Mallett's ability. If a better prospect comes along pick him. For me Hundley isn't that guy.
 
steelbtexan said:
The question I, is where would Mallett with 4 yrs in the system rank in this draft class compared to any other QB?


For me the answer is I have Mariota as the only QB ranked above Mallett.

In short I believe in Mallett's ability. If a better prospect comes along pick him. For me Hundley isn't that guy.
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I personally like Hundley ahead of Mariota and I like Mallett ahead of them both, but I tend to think the ceiling might be higher on Hundley. What I'd like to see is a depth chart of Mallett, Hundley, and Savage next year.

Lucky said:
Moved the Hundley posts out of the juniors declared thread.
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Thank you sir.
 
eriadoc said:
CBS Sports' Scouting Report on Hundley:
COMPARES TO: Randall Cunningham, ex-Eagles: Hundley possesses a combination of size, athleticism, grace and arm strength reminiscent of the former Pro Bowler Cunningham.
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Physically, Hunldey looks more impressive than Cunnigham imo. However, everyone has him listed as 6'3" I'd like to see him over 6'4" before I give him the check mark for size.

I think he has exceptional athleticism, so I'm willing to overlook his size. But since he seems to be more of a "runner" than a "scrambler" I'd prefer if he was a wee bit taller.
 
Texian said:
There are plenty of game videos out there for you to do your own charting of passes.
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Yep, just as I thought. Don't pull too hard next time, you might break something.

Here are a couple of narrated videos of Hundley. Shows some of the good, bad, and ugly. The guys narrating do a pretty decent job, I have to say.

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Lucky said:
Yep, just as I thought. Don't pull too hard next time, you might break something.

Here are a couple of narrated videos of Hundley. Shows some of the good, bad, and ugly. The guys narrating do a pretty decent job, I have to say.

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I was answering your question back in August; http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2369916&postcount=6 but since the video link included is inop today here is a better one for you.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/brett-hundley/

You would be better served and informed if you (re)read this thread from the beginning. Are you able to discuss player evals without resulting to insults?
 
Texian said:
I was answering your question back in August
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Nope, don't see the stats. Where's the information that Hundley throws more short passes than other college QBs? He has to, right? Since he has such a high completion percentage and is the most inaccurate passer in the civilized world.
 
Lucky said:
Nope, don't see the stats. Where's the information that Hundley throws more short passes than other college QBs? He has to, right? Since he has such a high completion percentage and is the most inaccurate passer in the civilized world.
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I gave you the videos, now chart them. There's your information. I assume you know how to chart? You're the one who loves the guy, not me. If you decide to chart, when you see Hundley throw a lateral pass that is caught at the LOS and the RB runs for 10yds. That's a 0 yd pass and 10yds RAC. On your chart that would be a complete pass 0-5 yds.
 
Texian said:
If you decide to chart, when you see Hundley throw a lateral pass that is caught at the LOS and the RB runs for 10yds. That's a 0 yd pass and 10yds RAC. On your chart that would be a complete pass 0-5 yds.
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Which video is that in?
 
Lucky said:
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I’ll put it the way I shared it with Eric, if an NFL organization relied on me for advice about Hundley as a potential first or early second round prospect, I’d say the NFL too frequently overvalues quarterbacks in this range and only take Hundley if he drops to the late second round, at best. Otherwise, build your team, bring in a low-cost veteran, and wait until you’re much surer about a first-round option.

And when that team ignores my beseeching and asks me if I’d take the risk with Hundley in the first round based on league demand for the position, my answer would be “yes.”
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Interesting take for sure. But a good link, thanks for sharing
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Anybody watch Hundley tonight?
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Yep

He is what he is. Very talented, good arm strength and wheels. He has trouble dealing with pressure and doesn't go thru his progressions as well as he should. I think he sometimes feels phantom pressure.

Hundley also has some accuracy issues. He's a bit of a front runner. I could see a team like Green Bay or Seattle in the late 2nd. Or a team like the Eagles picking him in the 3rd.
 
I originally posted this on another thread, but it applies here as well. What would you guys think of this idea, sorry if it might have already been brought up but I didn't read the whole thread to get to here.

What would yall think if we re-signed Mallett (example: 3yrs. 12 mil., 4 mil. avg., but only 4 mil. guaranteed), team friendly prove it style of contract that we can get out of in a year if we want to AND draft Brett Hundley in the 2nd round? Hundley has all the physical tools and athleticism, but would need to sit for a year and learn the system behind a mentor. If Mallett sucks we part ways after a year and go with Hundley in 2016. If Mallett is great then hopefully we have a starting QB controversy on our hands, that's always a good thing. Mallett would be cheap compared to other QB's, Hundley would be cheap for several years on a 2nd round rookie contract, and we'd also have the continued development of Savage. If O'Brien is anywhere near the QB guru some folks say he is we could turn a team weakness into a team strength with tradeable options in one season, and if not we don't have alot of money invested in any of them.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I originally posted this on another thread, but it applies here as well. What would you guys think of this idea, sorry if it might have already been brought up but I didn't read the whole thread to get to here.

What would yall think if we re-signed Mallett (example: 3yrs. 12 mil., 4 mil. avg., but only 4 mil. guaranteed), team friendly prove it style of contract that we can get out of in a year if we want to AND draft Brett Hundley in the 2nd round? Hundley has all the physical tools and athleticism, but would need to sit for a year and learn the system behind a mentor. If Mallett sucks we part ways after a year and go with Hundley in 2016. If Mallett is great then hopefully we have a starting QB controversy on our hands, that's always a good thing. Mallett would be cheap compared to other QB's, Hundley would be cheap for several years on a 2nd round rookie contract, and we'd also have the continued development of Savage. If O'Brien is anywhere near the QB guru some folks say he is we could turn a team weakness into a team strength with tradeable options in one season, and if not we don't have alot of money invested in any of them.
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I suspect Mallett will eventually sign for 3/21M somewhere with the bonus and first year guaranteed. It's probably too much, but that is the history of the market.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I originally posted this on another thread, but it applies here as well. What would you guys think of this idea, sorry if it might have already been brought up but I didn't read the whole thread to get to here.

What would yall think if we re-signed Mallett (example: 3yrs. 12 mil., 4 mil. avg., but only 4 mil. guaranteed), team friendly prove it style of contract that we can get out of in a year if we want to AND draft Brett Hundley in the 2nd round? Hundley has all the physical tools and athleticism, but would need to sit for a year and learn the system behind a mentor. If Mallett sucks we part ways after a year and go with Hundley in 2016. If Mallett is great then hopefully we have a starting QB controversy on our hands, that's always a good thing. Mallett would be cheap compared to other QB's, Hundley would be cheap for several years on a 2nd round rookie contract, and we'd also have the continued development of Savage. If O'Brien is anywhere near the QB guru some folks say he is we could turn a team weakness into a team strength with tradeable options in one season, and if not we don't have alot of money invested in any of them.
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I think Mallett is a good prospect. I think Savage is a good prospect.

I think one of those two will be our QB of the future.

If we can't sign Mallett, I think we definitely need to get another prospect through the draft.
 
CBS draft analyst Rob Rang liked what he saw of Hundley in the Alamo Bowl.

In the final game of his collegiate career, UCLA quarterback Brett Hundley showed off the physical traits - and improved poise as a pocket passer - that could have his stock steadily rising as the 2015 draft approaches.


The redshirt junior accounted for 232 all-purpose yards and scored three touchdowns in leading the Bruins to a 40-35 win over Kansas State in the Alamo Bowl.


Hundley didn't post the gaudy statistics that will generate excitement in the media. He guided the Bruins to a commanding 31-6 halftime lead and the Bruins elected to run the ball most of the second half, limiting his opportunities. The manner in which Hundley earned his numbers, however, will catch the attention from scouts.

Because Hundley remains a work-in-progress as a pocket passer, he probably should be selected on Day Two. Given his potential and the huge drop-off at the quarterback position behind him, however, it isn't difficult to imagine a team with a mid-first round pick gambling on him. The Houston Texans and Philadelphia Eagles, for example, could be interested.
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#UCLA QB Brett Hundley has declined his Senior Bowl invitation.
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I think that was a mistake. I do realize Hundley had an injury late in the year, and that may have caused him to not accept. But, the Senior Bowl would have given Hundley an opportunity to solidify his ranking as the # 3 QB, and give the QB hungry teams a reason to trade up in the 1st round for him. Most of all, teams just want to see a guy compete. Be it at an all star game, or the combine. That's the message you hear, and I think it bears out on draft day. I guess his agent felt differently.
 
Lucky said:
I think that was a mistake. I do realize Hundley had an injury late in the year, and that may have caused him to not accept.

I guess his agent felt differently.
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Or like you say, there's more to the injury than they're letting on.
 
During his three year career as a starter at UCLA, Hundley finished with 79 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. He was able, however, to cut his interceptions down each season, from 11 as a freshman to five as a junior last season.

NJ Advance Media recently got the chance to speak with Hundley on a number of different topics, including his relationship with Eagles head coach Chip Kelly, who offered him a scholarship out of high school.
On draft process...
It's a blessing. It's fun. Exciting. Much different than looking at it afar (as opposed) to being in it. It's a much different process than people would imagine. It's nothing but hard work, training, getting ready for the NFL Combine, and meeting a lot of new people. Shaking hands all the time.

On being a passer or a runner...
For sure a passer. I can sit back in the pocket and make throws. The one thing that sets (me apart from other pocket passers) is being able to take off and run. Create plays. It's a huge part of my game.

On quarterbacks being labeled a passer or a runner...
It takes away. It happens a lot of times. When you have the ability to run you get labeled as a runner, instead of 'ok, he is a quarterback, but he can run.' And when you put that label on a quarterback, people see that and immediately think of (former Eagles quarterback) Michael Vick or (Cleveland Browns quarterback) Johnny Manziel. But (Green Bay Packers quarterback) Aaron Rodgers is a passer -- but he can run as well. (Indianapolis Colts quarterback) Andrew Luck has some speed to him, but can pass. I think that is the label you want as a quarterback.

On the perception he is only an athlete...
I think I've done a job good at showing people I can sit in the pocket and make throws. That label has been there, but it's sort of faded away now. But people know I can take off and run.

On growing from his sophomore to junior year...
Huge maturity and growth as far as understanding the game, but also just growing in life. To have that extra year, it's really helped a lot.

On concerns he has received from NFL scouts about his game...
There hasn't been huge concerns. The feel of the pocket is a question a lot of people have. But another is that when someone hasn't met you or spoken to you or talked to you, you would never know until you get to personally meet them. So I think that is the biggest question — what is he like off of the field? How am I going to be impressed? What's his vibe?

On why personality matters more for a quarterback...
It's huge. Leadership is first and foremost for a quarterback. With any team you go to, you have to step in and be the leader of the team. It's not just stepping in and saying 'well, they drafted me to be a quarterback so I'm the leader of the team.' You have to work for it. You got to put in the work to get in that position.

On making NFL throws...
When you have a strong enough arm to throw the ball down the field and into tight windows. That's the concept of NFL arm. Being able to have that big strong arm and fit it into tight windows. And I've demonstrated that throughout my college career. Hopefully I will be able to show it in the NFL.

On Kelly offering him a scholarship out of high school...
It was amazing. Great coach. I got to meet him a couple of times. A good friend of mine, Dion Jordan, we played together in high school. It really came down to between Oregon, Washington and UCLA...Chip Kelly has turned that program into something so special.

On his fit with the Eagles and their read-option offense...
That kind of offense is what we were running my whole time at UCLA. We'll have very big time concepts, but the read-option puts a lot of decision making on the quarterback. Read defensive ends and get the ball where it needs to be. A lot of timing throws and progressional reads. It's a great offense, and I feel comfortable in it.
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Hundley is probably the most interesting prospect in the draft to me this year. Though not particularly exceptional at any one thing, he checks in good or better at just about everything. He adds athleticism moving in and outside of the pocket, yet he'll usually looks to throw first when breaking free. Pair his tools with a very good sense of maturity and approach to the game/position from the neck up and he starts to compare favorably to a Russell Wilson. That kind of knee jerk comparison happens often leading up to drafts, but the more I've seen of the kid play and interview the less it looks like a reach comparison and the more it looks like Wilson's blazed a trail for what kind of talent can run an offense, and enter Hundley. I don't think I'd be down on OB giving him a long hard look if he felt he could call an offense to peak with his skillset.
 
I've been more and more intrigued by this guy. I think I'm going to give his tape a serious look.

However, I think that drafting him in the 1st is a reach and that we're too far down in the 2nd round to pick him up.
 
see I don't understand this? Been talking for months about him & clearly dismissed by all here during actual live game tape now, upon reflection his stock suddenly soars? some have him rated higher than Mariota who once was higher than Winston? sense my rage/frustration. Disclaimer- believe what you see not what you read. go ahead & re-watch those dreadful Bruin games tell us what you see....
 
beerlover said:
see I don't understand this? Been talking for months about him & clearly dismissed by all here during actual live game tape now, upon reflection his stock suddenly soars? some have him rated higher than Mariota who once was higher than Winston? sense my rage/frustration. Disclaimer- believe what you see not what you read. go ahead & re-watch those dreadful Bruin games tell us what you see....
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Agree with your point. I haven't watched much of him, but I don't think the Texans draft a QB at all this year so haven't wasted my time
 
beerlover said:
see I don't understand this? Been talking for months about him & clearly dismissed by all here during actual live game tape now, upon reflection his stock suddenly soars? some have him rated higher than Mariota who once was higher than Winston? sense my rage/frustration. Disclaimer- believe what you see not what you read. go ahead & re-watch those dreadful Bruin games tell us what you see....
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Don't know about anyone dismissing anyone, I just got around to watching him cause I didn't catch a ton of Pac-12 during the year.

Who has him ahead of Winston though? Odd.
 
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