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Texans re-sign Keenum
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Liiiiiiike...... if they didn't like attractive women???
Orrrrrr, if they wanted to pay their fair share of state income taxes...?
Perrrrhaps they don't want to be turned into a newt?
Liiiiiiike...... if they didn't like attractive women???
Orrrrrr, if they wanted to pay their fair share of state income taxes...?
Perrrrhaps they don't want to be turned into a newt?
Dude stop touching yourself. Its freaking me out! :mariopalm: See now I'm doing it!
Liiiiiiike...... if they didn't like attractive women???
Orrrrrr, if they wanted to pay their fair share of state income taxes...?
Perrrrhaps they don't want to be turned into a newt?
Must spread rep.
Damn.
Monty Python references should not go unrewarded.
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
At this point what options do we really have? Thad Lewis and Case Keenum. I like Case, and i'd like to see him at least get a notch in the win column in his NFL Career.
Arky
Veteran
Keenum went to 2-5-1 against the spread in his 8 starts last year. That's something....
eriadoc
Texan-American
Yeah, I tried as well, but MSR.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Yay!
I repped him.
Normally, I can't because I rep him all the damned time, it seems like.
:vincepalm:
Scooter
Funky
got him.
Scooter
Funky
Keenum rant incoming ... cover your eyes.
i find it ironic that the kareem jackson post came up as i'm trying to formulate my keenum rant. in 2010 kareem got put into a no-win situation, embarrassing himself was a foregone conclusion with the 'kiddie corners' setting he was put into. but when put into a better place, his talent (though still mocked) was able to grow and present itsself. for me, that's case keenum's 2013. i take instant offense to anyone using 2013 as a barometer - for anything. to not see the impossibility of that season is just mind blowing, the 2013 texans won the lottery ... a billion to one chance worst lottery ever. in 2006 gary kubiak had andre johnson (the ONE long term player), a mountain of debt and the first overall pick. in 2012 gary kubiak had 9 probowlers and a 12-4 record. 2013 was fubar and got everyone fired, some geniuses think it's because kubiak got figured out (with wade's single worst turnover margin in 30+ years) - while the ravens and flacco are having their best (ever?) offensive season. how's that 'figured out' working as a play-action bootleg to our 4th string runningback results in a touchdown to owen daniels? Kubiak created the #1 receiver, the #1 runningback and the #1 offensive line ... and still folks needed heads to roll for 2013. Houston's made a lot of mistakes in our football tenure, I will probably hold the firing of kubiak and wade as our biggest mistakes for a very long time.
kareem's nightmare 2010 was nothing compared to the situation case was forced into. had keenum been 5 inches taller and not associated with the 2013 texans he'd be starting somewhere. as it is, he was heir apparent in 2014 - close but not ready to take on the role in 2013. unfortunately our leader, coming off of a probowl season, was being held together with scotch tape and good intentions. our backup was a backup - and when **** hit the fan half way through the season he really wasnt an option. enter keenum - a 2nd year (practice squad rookie) 3rd stringer thrust into the deep end of a **** sandwich. a sandwich that the coach and owner disagreed about their ingredients. and actually looked fairly good - other than the fact teams figured out our blocking scheme by halftime. keenum struggled to pick up the blitz, no doubt, but the times we allowed free rushers through interior gaps again falls into the impossible category. kubiak wasnt ready for keenum, keenum wasnt ready to start, and the texans were simply ufcked in every way in 2013.
o'brien runs a horrible offense, but it is one better suited to keenum. he'd get to call the line adjustments which is HUUUUUGE for keenum, he needs that control. keenum has a real rapport with our receivers. he's done right by andre, is great with hopkins, and can turn posey into a legitimate weapon again. he's 10 times the scrambler that fitz is. if given the opportunity to make his own reads and adjustments, case could be not good here, but great. his 1-2-dump-run is as good as anyone, he'd legitimize the bad read-option we show, and i say again - he would be infinitely better making his own line adjustments.
while i'm at it, the anti-keenum movement is just annoying. i was here for vince young, i get it. taking a preemptive strike against a hometown player is a reflex at this point, and reinforced after manziel. the "oh no we're going to see keenum fanboys" and general disdain for the guy and anyone who says something positive is exponentially out of proportion to reality (and always has been). it took 6 pages for the first real pro keenum rant - and would've taken longer had I not been drinking early tonight.
edit: i feel i need to re-establish myself as someone without ties to the school. i've never seen a UH game aside from off season scouting. obviously everybody likes the home-town hero, but that has ZERO impact on my evaluation.
i find it ironic that the kareem jackson post came up as i'm trying to formulate my keenum rant. in 2010 kareem got put into a no-win situation, embarrassing himself was a foregone conclusion with the 'kiddie corners' setting he was put into. but when put into a better place, his talent (though still mocked) was able to grow and present itsself. for me, that's case keenum's 2013. i take instant offense to anyone using 2013 as a barometer - for anything. to not see the impossibility of that season is just mind blowing, the 2013 texans won the lottery ... a billion to one chance worst lottery ever. in 2006 gary kubiak had andre johnson (the ONE long term player), a mountain of debt and the first overall pick. in 2012 gary kubiak had 9 probowlers and a 12-4 record. 2013 was fubar and got everyone fired, some geniuses think it's because kubiak got figured out (with wade's single worst turnover margin in 30+ years) - while the ravens and flacco are having their best (ever?) offensive season. how's that 'figured out' working as a play-action bootleg to our 4th string runningback results in a touchdown to owen daniels? Kubiak created the #1 receiver, the #1 runningback and the #1 offensive line ... and still folks needed heads to roll for 2013. Houston's made a lot of mistakes in our football tenure, I will probably hold the firing of kubiak and wade as our biggest mistakes for a very long time.
kareem's nightmare 2010 was nothing compared to the situation case was forced into. had keenum been 5 inches taller and not associated with the 2013 texans he'd be starting somewhere. as it is, he was heir apparent in 2014 - close but not ready to take on the role in 2013. unfortunately our leader, coming off of a probowl season, was being held together with scotch tape and good intentions. our backup was a backup - and when **** hit the fan half way through the season he really wasnt an option. enter keenum - a 2nd year (practice squad rookie) 3rd stringer thrust into the deep end of a **** sandwich. a sandwich that the coach and owner disagreed about their ingredients. and actually looked fairly good - other than the fact teams figured out our blocking scheme by halftime. keenum struggled to pick up the blitz, no doubt, but the times we allowed free rushers through interior gaps again falls into the impossible category. kubiak wasnt ready for keenum, keenum wasnt ready to start, and the texans were simply ufcked in every way in 2013.
o'brien runs a horrible offense, but it is one better suited to keenum. he'd get to call the line adjustments which is HUUUUUGE for keenum, he needs that control. keenum has a real rapport with our receivers. he's done right by andre, is great with hopkins, and can turn posey into a legitimate weapon again. he's 10 times the scrambler that fitz is. if given the opportunity to make his own reads and adjustments, case could be not good here, but great. his 1-2-dump-run is as good as anyone, he'd legitimize the bad read-option we show, and i say again - he would be infinitely better making his own line adjustments.
while i'm at it, the anti-keenum movement is just annoying. i was here for vince young, i get it. taking a preemptive strike against a hometown player is a reflex at this point, and reinforced after manziel. the "oh no we're going to see keenum fanboys" and general disdain for the guy and anyone who says something positive is exponentially out of proportion to reality (and always has been). it took 6 pages for the first real pro keenum rant - and would've taken longer had I not been drinking early tonight.
edit: i feel i need to re-establish myself as someone without ties to the school. i've never seen a UH game aside from off season scouting. obviously everybody likes the home-town hero, but that has ZERO impact on my evaluation.
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
Keenum rant incoming ... cover your eyes.
i find it ironic that the kareem jackson post came up as i'm trying to formulate my keenum rant. in 2010 kareem got put into a no-win situation, embarrassing himself was a foregone conclusion with the 'kiddie corners' setting he was put into. but when put into a better place, his talent (though still mocked) was able to grow and present itsself. for me, that's case keenum's 2013. i take instant offense to anyone using 2013 as a barometer - for anything. to not see the impossibility of that season is just mind blowing, the 2013 texans won the lottery ... a billion to one chance worst lottery ever. in 2006 gary kubiak had andre johnson (the ONE long term player), a mountain of debt and the first overall pick. in 2012 gary kubiak had 9 probowlers and a 12-4 record. 2013 was fubar and got everyone fired, some geniuses think it's because kubiak got figured out (with wade's single worst turnover margin in 30+ years) - while the ravens and flacco are having their best (ever?) offensive season. how's that 'figured out' working as a play-action bootleg to our 4th string runningback results in a touchdown to owen daniels? Kubiak created the #1 receiver, the #1 runningback and the #1 offensive line ... and still folks needed heads to roll for 2013. Houston's made a lot of mistakes in our football tenure, I will probably hold the firing of kubiak and wade as our biggest mistakes for a very long time.
kareem's nightmare 2010 was nothing compared to the situation case was forced into. had keenum been 5 inches taller and not associated with the 2013 texans he'd be starting somewhere. as it is, he was heir apparent in 2014 - close but not ready to take on the role in 2013. unfortunately our leader, coming off of a probowl season, was being held together with scotch tape and good intentions. our backup was a backup - and when **** hit the fan half way through the season he really wasnt an option. enter keenum - a 2nd year (practice squad rookie) 3rd stringer thrust into the deep end of a **** sandwich. a sandwich that the coach and owner disagreed about their ingredients. and actually looked fairly good - other than the fact teams figured out our blocking scheme by halftime. keenum struggled to pick up the blitz, no doubt, but the times we allowed free rushers through interior gaps again falls into the impossible category. kubiak wasnt ready for keenum, keenum wasnt ready to start, and the texans were simply ufcked in every way in 2013.
o'brien runs a horrible offense, but it is one better suited to keenum. he'd get to call the line adjustments which is HUUUUUGE for keenum, he needs that control. keenum has a real rapport with our receivers. he's done right by andre, is great with hopkins, and can turn posey into a legitimate weapon again. he's 10 times the scrambler that fitz is. if given the opportunity to make his own reads and adjustments, case could be not good here, but great. his 1-2-dump-run is as good as anyone, he'd legitimize the bad read-option we show, and i say again - he would be infinitely better making his own line adjustments.
while i'm at it, the anti-keenum movement is just annoying. i was here for vince young, i get it. taking a preemptive strike against a hometown player is a reflex at this point, and reinforced after manziel. the "oh no we're going to see keenum fanboys" and general disdain for the guy and anyone who says something positive is exponentially out of proportion to reality (and always has been). it took 6 pages for the first real pro keenum rant - and would've taken longer had I not been drinking early tonight.
There have been four other teams this season to utilize 3 QB's: Redskins, Vikings, Cardinals and Titans. And yet the only team to pluck Keenum off of the Rams' practice squad has been the Texans, and that was after they had to go to #4.
Sigma
Veteran
When was the last time the texans started a black QB?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Tony Banks last started for the Texans Nov. 30, 2003. He last played for the Texans Jan. 1, 2006.
Scooter
Funky
look at the teams you've quoted and their success in evaluating quarterbacks. then bring it home. would keenum's 18.7 points per game (without foster, on the most impossibly screwed up team i've ever seen and as a 3rd string sophomore jumping into the starting role) ... would he have won last week against the colts? i say yes. hell i say keenum, with this cast and this season has 8 wins right now. a 32 year old version of keenum with slower processing speed and worse throwing decisions has us at 7 wins.
savage couldn't even hand the ball off ... but keenum is the worst quarterback ever because he was part of the most insanely fubar team ever.
I'm not a Keenum hater or homer.
All I've ever said, was that he had more than his fair shot to prove that he could be a difference maker at the QB position & he failed to prove he deserved another shot. I never thought he'd get another shot anywhere in this league, much less with the Texans.
But here we are.
If he does get to start, it's up to him to prove he belongs in this league. Winning is a part of it, but it wasn't his lack of winning that proved to me that he doesn't. I need him to show me that he knows the difference between 3rd & long from the 50 & 3rd and long from the 5. Kinda like the Rosencopter where Sage's biggest failure was not being able to work that risk/reward equation in his head, in real time.
He's got big play making ability... but his big plays did not make up for his negative plays. He's got to get that turned around.
All I've ever said, was that he had more than his fair shot to prove that he could be a difference maker at the QB position & he failed to prove he deserved another shot. I never thought he'd get another shot anywhere in this league, much less with the Texans.
But here we are.
If he does get to start, it's up to him to prove he belongs in this league. Winning is a part of it, but it wasn't his lack of winning that proved to me that he doesn't. I need him to show me that he knows the difference between 3rd & long from the 50 & 3rd and long from the 5. Kinda like the Rosencopter where Sage's biggest failure was not being able to work that risk/reward equation in his head, in real time.
He's got big play making ability... but his big plays did not make up for his negative plays. He's got to get that turned around.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
So then you believe that O'Brien dumped Keenum not because he was not an NFL QB, and when Mallett went down and Lewis got the call instead of Keenum, it was because of Keenum's 2013 performance?
NEWSFLASH: Cardinals are 11-3 and leading their division. You know, the same division that has the reigning champion Seahawks, and 49ers in it! If anyone needed Keenum it was the Cardinals, and his vertical style of play fits Bruce Arians scheme perfectly. Yet Case got no call. You really think Arians is a bad QB talent evaluator?
eriadoc
Texan-American
This is exactly where I am, sans the first sentence. I am rooting for Keenum, but not blinded to reality. I get annoyed at the BS assertions that he isn't an NFL QB because he's too short, his arm is weak, he went to UH, he didn't win a game all by himself last year, blah blah blah. He's not an NFL starting QB because of what's not happening in his head when the bullets start flying. It's really that simple. I hope the guy snaps, but I doubt it'll happen. But he played well enough to win at times, and the team didn't win. He played badly enough to drag the team down at times. It seems like the knee jerk anti-Keenum crowd lacks any objectivity. As I pointed out upthread, we're several pages into this, and really not that many people going to bat for Keenum. You can count me in his camp, but I think I've made it clear that I don't consider him an NFL starter. So I guess that's going to bat for him, heh.
Scooter
Funky
this is my key issue with all things keenum. he got the least FAIR shot that has ever been. if peyton manning and joe montana had a baby and named it brady rodgers - he would've gone winless on the 2013 texans.
Again, my evaluation of Keenum has nothing to do with winning or losing. It's all about how he played.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Keenum was like any other young player in this league. Lots of issues and some positives. The team around him did not help him over come his issues last year, BUT that doesn't negate the fact his issues still lingered this pre-season. I like some things Case does and I think he has tools to be a nice starter in the league, but unless he figures out how to become a timing qb and can read defenses and make adjustments at the line, he will continue to struggle. If he gets another shot, I hope he does well and it makes it harder on the front office, that would be best for Houston. If he fails again, then we can all put this to rest.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
If you don't count Mallett then it'd be Tony Banks.
Or we need new eyes...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Can he jump?
He was doing it wrong
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Well then, that settles it. We are all happy as hell to see Keenum back, oil still flows in our Houstonian viens, we are still cursed somehow but I don't know how yet.
Keenum will lose the next two games and wind up in Seattle where he'll win the next five super bowls and yet again, once prove we are cursed. This is on the hands of those that have ridiculed him. Had you fallen to your knees at the alter of The Red Keenum, this could have been avoided.
You people are pathetic.
Keenum will lose the next two games and wind up in Seattle where he'll win the next five super bowls and yet again, once prove we are cursed. This is on the hands of those that have ridiculed him. Had you fallen to your knees at the alter of The Red Keenum, this could have been avoided.
You people are pathetic.
Vance87
All Pro
This is one of those posts where I started out chuckling and as I kept reading my laughter just kept getting louder and louder.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Oookay, well, you can follow this rabbit hole to wherever it goes, or you can relax and try to enjoy the last two games we'll have for nine months.
Sigma
Veteran
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
Keenum's first win as a Texan
badboy
Hall of Fame
Keenum's first win as a Texan
If Houston loses this game you will catch immense heat.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
If Houston loses this game you will catch immense heat.
Grow a pair, we got this
badboy
Hall of Fame
hey, quit looking at my testicles!!
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
Lol
5 million reasons why we should have stayed with Keenum instead of Fitz. I still think Mallett looks the best out of what we saw this season. He just needs to learn to throw a nice touch pass.
our only wins from a winning team were bills and browns.
ravens coming were the best team we defeated and it came with keenum with barely anytime to prepare.
plus kubiak knows all the weaknesses of case since he developed him.
case had no problem against the blitz compared to last year.
ravens coming were the best team we defeated and it came with keenum with barely anytime to prepare.
plus kubiak knows all the weaknesses of case since he developed him.
case had no problem against the blitz compared to last year.
speedfreek
All Pro
Savage has been in the system for most of the year and
fumbled his first handoff. I'm not sure he would be a hot commodity
If he was PS'd.
speedfreek
All Pro
Case wasn't Marino, BUT this was truly the best win of the year
for the Texans.
Better than the Mallet win over the Browns, who have completely
imploded.
Case, given another year of actual coaching, could develop into
a pretty solid backup..
Don't waste any more millions on Fitz.
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for the Texans.
Better than the Mallet win over the Browns, who have completely
imploded.
Case, given another year of actual coaching, could develop into
a pretty solid backup..
Don't waste any more millions on Fitz.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This performance by Keanum has to be one of if not the best of the season by Houstons quarterbacks . It helps that OB called a little more creative game plan as well . Good job but should of come sooner .
It will be interesting to find out what Keenum does with an extra week of practicing within the season............I expect that he and OB will team up to open up the playbook even more, with an even better performance to come.