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JaDeveon Clowney

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humblegeo said:
Nobody is 100% at this point. Everybody plays with pain. He needs to get his lazy butt out there with the other guys and contribute at whatever % he can. I can't believe this primadonna. Looks like Tarzan, Plays like Jane!!
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Playing with pain only makes sense if the pain isn't a response to injury which can be made worse by playing with it. It is an art, but I have little doubt both the coaches and players usually side on playing, even where caution would be in their long term interest. This is why it took so long to respond to head trauma.

It takes guts to play with pain, but it takes intelligence to know when not to.
 
humblegeo said:
Nobody is 100% at this point. Everybody plays with pain. He needs to get his lazy butt out there with the other guys and contribute at whatever % he can. I can't believe this primadonna. Looks like Tarzan, Plays like Jane!!
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So far, everything we're getting is that the staff made the decision not to let Clowney play. Clowney is trying to get on the field. They are telling him no.
 
Nitrofish said:
As long as her naval wasn't showing it was all good. Same thing they did to Barbara Eden when she played Genie. Oh and don't forget the "One foot on the floor rule"

Carry on...
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This post got me to thinking about my childhood fantasy so I decided to be nostalgic and look up some photos of the lovely Barbara Eden. Leave it to the Internet to ruin all of my childhood fantasies. You bastards! I HATE you Google! :bat:

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ObsiWan said:
Am I the only one who wondered how they got away with Jane's skimpy outfit back in the 30's...

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I wonder how many "wardrobe malfunctions" they had to edit out...?
I mean there's just that one little string...


Sorry....sorry, I digress.... go back to what you were doing
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There were some VERY risque silent films before the advent of the censors. I'm not sure that they were past the studio self control stage in the thirties.
 
ObsiWan said:
Am I the only one who wondered how they got away with Jane's skimpy outfit back in the 30's...

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I wonder how many "wardrobe malfunctions" they had to edit out...?
I mean there's just that one little string...


Sorry....sorry, I digress.... go back to what you were doing
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You do know that Jane did swim naked in their second movie?

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In MGM's sequel to the original hit, Johnny Weissmuller (title character) and Maureen O'Sullivan (Jane) having a swim and yes, she's quite naked underwater, ...
 
Grams said:
You do know that Jane did swim naked in their second movie?

www.tcm.com/.../Tarzan-And-His-Mate-Movie-Cli...

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In MGM's sequel to the original hit, Johnny Weissmuller (title character) and Maureen O'Sullivan (Jane) having a swim and yes, she's quite naked underwater, ...
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oh yeah.... boy do I know. Let's say it made quite the impression on a 4th grader
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if only they had hi-def back in my childhood
 
ObsiWan said:
oh yeah.... boy do I know. Let's say it made quite the impression on a 4th grader
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if only they had hi-def back in my childhood
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Former Olympic swimmer, Josephine McKim doubled for Maureen O'Sullivan in the swim scenes - including the near-nude underwater scene.

Josephine McKim was member of the 1924 and 1928 U.S. Womens' Olympic Swim Teams and one of the four U.S. swimmers on that team to win the 1928 gold medal in the 400-Meter Freestyle Relay.

Thanks to the Hays censorship office, the brief costumes worn by the stars in this film were replaced by much less revealing outfits in the Tarzan films that followed. The two-piece Jane costume was subsequently replaced by a long one-piece costume in all the sequels due to pressure from the Hays Office as they felt it was too revealing.

The film's more erotic scenes were removed by order of film censors. Most of these missing scenes have recently been restored for modern releases.

For the infamous swimming scene in this pre-code film, alternate footage was shot of Jane in various stages of dress, ranging from totally nude to fully covered. According to film historian Rudy Behlmer: “From all evidence, three versions of the sequence eventually went out to separate territories during the film’s initial release. One with Jane clothed in her jungle loin cloth outfit, one with her topless, and one with her in the nude.” Maureen O’Sullivan did not play the naked Jane in the alternate footage; she was doubled by Olympic swimmer Josephine McKim, who competed in the 1928 games with Johnny Weissmuller. A version with alternate footage with Jane swimming nude or topless was restored in 1986 by Turner Entertainment for its video release.

After seeing the film's famous underwater nude scene in August 1933, ERB wrote to son Hulbert: "It is a very beautiful and artistic shot. Their movements under water are naturally slow and extremely graceful. I saw nothing objectionable in it . . . it may get by the censors and it may not."
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There was actually plenty of nudity in silent film, mostly in Europe, and most notably shot by British/American motion photography pioneer Eadweard Muybridge. He's the guy that put together individual photos of animals to demonstrate the illusion of motion:

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He did a lot of human figure studies, much like nude figures are used in life drawing classes. It was more common in Europe since moving pictures evolved from Deguerreotype photography, which was always associated to human figure painting.

D.W. Griffith, the most important pioneer in narrative film, included nudity in his 1916 epic Intolerance. There wasn't much controversy over it since film audiences at the time were mostly composed of (rich) cosmopolitans who were accustomed to European art.

I'm mostly pointing this out to show that society hasn't really changed much; We just have affective standards that control and deliver content to the right audiences now.
 
Funny, Johnny's times of around 58 seconds in the 100M, while winning him the gold medal in 1927, can now be often equaled and bettered by high school girls. Go Jane!
 
Apparently it only takes a few drinks in me to geek out on film history.

Back to Clowney, I saw this in my Facebook feed yesterday: "They want me full-go and not just going through the motions."

If the guy is still feeling pain right now, it seems highly unlikely he'll be ready to go in one week. And why rely on his feedback instead of an MRI? The way this is going, I can see him having a setback and missing the season.
 
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I'd genuinely prefer at this point that they shut him down. We're 4-5 mostly without him and I don't know that he made that much of a difference in the tiny amount of time he was out there.

Just shut him down, get him fixed right, and play out the season with the defense we have. If we get improved offense from the Fitz/Mallet switch out then we'll be OK. Win a few games, finish around .500, then come back next year and try again.
 
Most positive I've heard Clowney on his knee, but it's not near 100%.

He did confirm he knew he was not ready to return vs. Titans. Texans stuck a needle in it and pushed him back too soon.

None of this is a surprise as Dr CND laid this all out before/as it was happening. Some of how this has been handled contributes to the fact we won't see a fully healthy Clowney this year.... and another offseason surgery is a possibility.
 
Playoffs said:
Most positive I've heard Clowney on his knee, but it's not near 100%.



He did confirm he knew he was not ready to return vs. Titans. Texans stuck a needle in it and pushed him back too soon.



None of this is a surprise as Dr CND laid this all out before/as it was happening. Some of how this has been handled contributes to the fact we won't see a fully healthy Clowney this year.... and another offseason surgery is a possibility.
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Further proves the incompetence of our medical staff and makes one question the injuries to AJ, Arian, Brown, Cush, etc...
 
Trade this guy already. Just admit they made the dumbest draft pick in NFL history on the most over hyped motorless lineman ever.
 
Brisco_County said:
Apparently it only takes a few drinks in me to geek out on film history.

Back to Clowney, I saw this in my Facebook feed yesterday: "They want me full-go and not just going through the motions."

If the guy is still feeling pain right now, it seems highly unlikely he'll be ready to go in one week. And why rely on his feedback instead of an MRI? The way this is going, I can see him having a setback and missing the season.
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He's already missed the season.
 
JD said he wants to be the best who have played his position so everybody just needs to chill, we knew what came with the package. Crennel is reason why he is here, he has plenty cred too so we'll just have to give them both time. First things first Bill needs to fix the offense, whether Mallet is the key or not?
 
Brisco_County said:
There was actually plenty of nudity in silent film, mostly in Europe, and most notably shot by British/American motion photography pioneer Eadweard Muybridge. He's the guy that put together individual photos of animals to demonstrate the illusion of motion:

220px-Muybridge_race_horse_animated.gif


He did a lot of human figure studies, much like nude figures are used in life drawing classes. It was more common in Europe since moving pictures evolved from Deguerreotype photography, which was always associated to human figure painting.

D.W. Griffith, the most important pioneer in narrative film, included nudity in his 1916 epic Intolerance. There wasn't much controversy over it since film audiences at the time were mostly composed of (rich) cosmopolitans who were accustomed to European art.

I'm mostly pointing this out to show that society hasn't really changed much; We just have affective standards that control and deliver content to the right audiences now.
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In the early days of film the Catholic League of Decency formed here in the states JUST to protest the lack of morality in the film industry. In fact cinemas were frequented in some large cities by lascivious types who were simply looking for a "dark place". Ushers routinely found young couples "engaged" in lewd acts.
 
Wow- some of you are calling this guy a bust and a horrible draft pick, and we are nine games into his first season. I'm disappointed as well that he hasn't been able to get out on the field much, but geez, don't you think you're jumping the gun a little?
 
tedr said:
Wow- some of you are calling this guy a bust and a horrible draft pick, and we are nine games into his first season. I'm disappointed as well that he hasn't been able to get out on the field much, but geez, don't you think you're jumping the gun a little?
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But the surest thing at the time was Luke Joeckel, the Texas A&M left tackle that B/R's Matt Miller saw as a "top-tier left tackle prospect." Miller went so far as to say he saw Joeckel as a "Joe Thomas-like presence," which is lofty praise.

Joeckel surprisingly fell to Jacksonville after Kansas City selected Eric Fisher No. 1 overall, which was seen as a happy coincidence for a Jaguars franchise that desperately needed some good news.
A year-and-a-half later, Joeckel is the only player on Jacksonville's offensive line with his pedigree, and yet he has played as poorly as any of the Jaguars as they have struggled to find traction on offense.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...le-luke-joeckel-has-played-like-a-bust-so-far
I'm wondering how many people think former Aggie Luke Joeckels is a bust and his NFL career is now over ?
If you've forgotten about Joeckel, he was the OT taken #2 overall in the 2013 draft by the Jags who was injured and then went IR in 2013 just a few weeks into the regular season. And according to the report above, his second season in the NLF has him struggling badly.
Bust or not Bust or too soon to know one way or the other ?
 
beerlover said:
JD said he wants to be the best who have played his position so everybody just needs to chill, we knew what came with the package. Crennel is reason why he is here, he has plenty cred too so we'll just have to give them both time. First things first Bill needs to fix the offense, whether Mallet is the key or not?
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The quest to be "the best who have played his position" is an awesome goal. The first step in attaining that goal would be to actually play, I think. Not an auspicious start.
 
IDEXAN said:
But the surest thing at the time was Luke Joeckel, the Texas A&M left tackle that B/R's Matt Miller saw as a "top-tier left tackle prospect." Miller went so far as to say he saw Joeckel as a "Joe Thomas-like presence," which is lofty praise.

Joeckel surprisingly fell to Jacksonville after Kansas City selected Eric Fisher No. 1 overall, which was seen as a happy coincidence for a Jaguars franchise that desperately needed some good news.
A year-and-a-half later, Joeckel is the only player on Jacksonville's offensive line with his pedigree, and yet he has played as poorly as any of the Jaguars as they have struggled to find traction on offense.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...le-luke-joeckel-has-played-like-a-bust-so-far
I'm wondering how many people think former Aggie Luke Joeckels is a bust and his NFL career is now over ?
If you've forgotten about Joeckel, he was the OT taken #2 overall in the 2013 draft by the Jags who was injured and then went IR in 2013 just a few weeks into the regular season. And according to the report above, his second season in the NLF has him struggling badly.
Bust or not Bust or too soon to know one way or the other ?
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Playing very poorly according to PFF. Ouch...
 
Marcus said:
My name is Marcus, and I approve this message. :heh:
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Guy gets hurt do to McNair's crappy field and now he's the worst pick ever. LOL

Cut him and see how fast another team picks him up.

Knee jerk a little. Clowney needs to get healthy atleast to the point where when he plays his knee isn't swelling up. Stupid for Texans team Dr.'s to shoot him up and let him play on a bum knee at less 70% just to get him on the field. More brilliance from the Texans team DR.'s.

It amazes me of the short term thinking of some posters on this MB.
 
Texecutioner said:
Trade this guy already. Just admit they made the dumbest draft pick in NFL history on the most over hyped motorless lineman ever.
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Only if they take Rick Smith with him.
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2013 and 2014 drafts have to go up there with one of the worst back-to-back drafts in football history.
 
steelbtexan said:
Guy gets hurt do to McNair's crappy field and now he's the worst pick ever. LOL

Cut him and see how fast another team picks him up.

Knee jerk a little. Clowney needs to get healthy atleast to the point where when he plays his knee isn't swelling up. Stupid for Texans team Dr.'s to shoot him up and let him play on a bum knee at less 70% just to get him on the field. More brilliance from the Texans team DR.'s.

It amazes me of the short term thinking of some posters on this MB.
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Awww that is so cute. You say, not him, it was due to the field. I said don't draft him due to injury concerns.

Nice needle thread camel boy.
 
IDEXAN said:
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I'm wondering how many people think former Aggie Luke Joeckel is a bust and his NFL career is now over ? If you've forgotten about Joeckel, he was the OT taken #2 overall in the 2013 draft by the Jags who was injured and then went IR in 2013 just a few weeks into the regular season. And according to the report above, his second season in the NLF has him struggling badly.
Bust or not Bust or too soon to know one way or the other ?
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Joeckel is 65th/75 OTs in 2014, Eric Fisher (#1 in 2013) is 68th/75 OTs, and Jake Matthews is dead last, 75th/75 OTs. (ProFootballFocus, >25% snaps)

Greg Robinson, who pretty much didn't see the field until Week 6, has a neutral grade amongst OGs which puts him above the median. He's at OT now.

Blake Bortles is rated 37th/37 QBs (yes, worse than Geno Smith) and last in QBR.

Only Sammy and Kahlil look good now, but I wouldn't bet against some of the above becoming players in the NFL. (And Matt Miller is a Holiday Inn Express draft expert, errrrr, BR contributor.)
 
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 2m2 minutes ago
Expect Jadeveon Clowney to play a lot. Feeling better than he has in quite some time. Brian Cushing has been "moving great" on the field.
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:wherewill
 
infantrycak said:
Awww that is so cute. You say, not him, it was due to the field. I said don't draft him due to injury concerns.

Nice needle thread camel boy.
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The injury that is keeping him out is a knee injury, right? Is this the same injury that he experienced in college? I thought it was bone spurs or a foot issue that caused him to miss two games his final year.
 
sandman said:
The injury that is keeping him out is a knee injury, right? Is this the same injury that he experienced in college? I thought it was bone spurs or a foot issue that caused him to miss two games his final year.
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You are correct,

Knee was caused by the crap Nrg field. This is where Cak and I have differing opions.
 
steelbtexan said:
Zilch?

McCoy/BB/Swag/Hartmann etc... all call the field crap. My eyes tell me the field is the best in the NFL.

But you know best. Carry on counselor. The sheep will follow.
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But aren't they having these kind of injuries everywhere? I mean untouched guys getting hurt... popping groines, hammies, ACLs, Achilles... this isn't just happening in Houston.
 
thunderkyss said:
But aren't they having these kind of injuries everywhere? I mean untouched guys getting hurt... popping groines, hammies, ACLs, Achilles... this isn't just happening in Houston.
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But if they are happening here because of the field at times (even if just a small percentage of injuries are attributed to it), then wouldn't you want to eliminate any additional injury risks?

I've sprained my anke playing basketball before. Doesn't mean I'm going to play on a court with potholes because I can sprain my ankle anywhere already.
 
Playoffs said:
Yes, knee surgery. His first.
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So why the injury prone label? He never missed significant time before the knee surgery, and all the time missed this season is because of the knee, right?

Just trying to figure out where this narrative started from. It's like calling Cush injury prone because of two separate cheap shots.
 
sandman said:
So why the injury prone label? He never missed significant time before the knee surgery, and all the time missed this season is because of the knee, right?

Just trying to figure out where this narrative started from. It's like calling Cush injury prone because of two separate cheap shots.
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Cuz he wasn't the pick of choice for many :texanbill:
 
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