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Ryan Fitzpatrick by the numbers

santo said:
Probably the same people who think Fitzpatrick is doing really good to keep his job.
:koolaid:
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When this team wins a game as a team and Fitz throws for 0 TD and 1 INT, I'm sure he will be showered with praise on this board. Nope, I guarantee that it will be we won, but it was despite Fitz, and can you imagine what we could do with a real QB...etc, etc...
 
brg88tx said:
I suggested we try and trade for McCoy early this year when he was the #3 qb and people laughed.
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My point is why don't we have the foresight to sign before we have to trade something to get him.

The Redskins got the same bargain, with veteran quarterback Colt McCoy. Per a source with knowledge of the contract, McCoy gets a base salary of $735,000 and a signing bonus of $65,000. The deal carries a cap number of $635,000.

With only $65,000 guaranteed, there’s a chance McCoy, a third-round pick of the Browns in 2010 who spent 2013 with the 49ers, won’t make the 53-man roster. There’s also a chance he’ll be the No. 2 quarterback, in the event the Redskins decide to trade Kirk Cousins.

What did we pay for Fitz, Mallet, and Savage?

This front office reacts only when it hits them in the face and sometimes not even then.
Do you think they know they have a SLOW team.
LBs, secondary, QBs, OL weak?
No depth.

Or are they drunk on their own Koolaid
 
gafftop said:
My point is why don't we have the foresight to sign before we have to trade something to get him.

The Redskins got the same bargain, with veteran quarterback Colt McCoy. Per a source with knowledge of the contract, McCoy gets a base salary of $735,000 and a signing bonus of $65,000. The deal carries a cap number of $635,000.

With only $65,000 guaranteed, there’s a chance McCoy, a third-round pick of the Browns in 2010 who spent 2013 with the 49ers, won’t make the 53-man roster. There’s also a chance he’ll be the No. 2 quarterback, in the event the Redskins decide to trade Kirk Cousins.

What did we pay for Fitz, Mallet, and Savage?

This front office reacts only when it hits them in the face and sometimes not even then.
Do you think they know they have a SLOW team.
LBs, secondary, QBs, OL weak?
No depth.

Or are they drunk on their own Koolaid
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My only problem with this line of thinking is that it's too early to say who was right & who was wrong. Colt had a good game, but he also had two seasons to prove he can play in this league.... he was on a team that dumped him, drafted Manziel, & is starting Brian Hoyer. Compared to where we are right now, I can see how that might look "good" but one day you're going to look at that & say, "That ain't much different than signing Fitz to start."

Even though I still don't believe Fitz was signed to start.

I like Colt, I'm rooting for Colt... but after what we went through with Case, I have no problem with passing on him.

Let's see how it works out with Mallet & Savage before we kick ourselves for not picking up Colt McCoy.
 
Hervoyel said:
He's like OD's talentless clone.

I go back and forth between "How could we not find a better option than this guy?" and "How is this guy keeping Fiedo and Griffin behind him on the depth chart?"

Then Fiedo holds or pulls a False-Start and Griffin drops a pass and I'm like "Well, there's that".
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Fiedo was WIDE open over the middle when Fitz decides to hit Andre where he can barely keep his toes in.

Some of it is on the TE, the rest is on Fitz either not seeing them or not even trying to go to them. That is, when they're not staying in to max-protect since the Oline is a sieve.

thunderkyss said:
I don't know.

It's fun bashing Fitzpatrick & all, but we're going into week 9 & sooner or later, we're going to have to accept it. Either we get behind him & pray he'll be better than he's ever been in his career, or we start rooting to lose just to replace him with a guy we know nothing about.
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My rooting / not rooting for Fitz will never have an effect on the amount of suck he can produce.
 
thunderkyss said:
Let's see how it works out with Mallet & Savage before we kick ourselves for not picking up Colt McCoy.
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It'd be great to put Mallett and / or Savage out there. Fitzpatrick's ceiling has been reached and it isn't good. We tried Keenum out and didn't work. We should do the same with Mallett and Savage and find out what we have before making personnel decisions for next year.
 
hradhak said:
It'd be great to put Mallett and / or Savage out there. Fitzpatrick's ceiling has been reached and it isn't good. We tried Keenum out and didn't work. We should do the same with Mallett and Savage and find out what we have before making personnel decisions for next year.
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Fitz's ceiling would be be about 6-2 or 7-1 had the team not imploded around him...nice try, though ;)
 
Just an unbiased, experienced football mind here. I will reserve any further pro-Fitz comments until after the Eagles game. I have a strong feeling that he and Texans will come up BIG and pull this one out.
 
NYTexansFan said:
Just an unbiased, experienced football mind here. I will reserve any further pro-Fitz comments until after the Eagles game. I have a strong feeling that he and Texans will come up BIG and pull this one out.
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Sorry, but I think you're anything but unbiased. If Fitz was even a decent QB, not great but fair, he wouldn't be on his 5th team in 10 yrs
 
hradhak said:
It'd be great to put Mallett and / or Savage out there. Fitzpatrick's ceiling has been reached and it isn't good. We tried Keenum out and didn't work. We should do the same with Mallett and Savage and find out what we have before making personnel decisions for next year.
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I bet if we go a whole week without begging for Mallet/Savage on this board, OB will put him in the game.
 
JB said:
Sorry, but I think you're anything but unbiased. If Fitz was even a decent QB, not great but fair, he wouldn't be on his 5th team in 10 yrs
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That' because QB's on bad teams are often scapegoats...look how the Titans are doing now? The Bills with EJ Manuel (though they are better with Orton). When Fitz was on the Bills, their defense was horrendous - the Titans are just terrible top to bottom - even with top pick Jake Locker. They were much more competetive with Fitz at the helm. Things have to be analyzed in the context of perspective. To expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to overcome two horrific 24 point team collapses and late fumbles by WR's in back to back games against good opponents in really pretty crazy.
 
Now with all my apparently pro-Fitzpatrick sentiment, I understand that there are certainly things the guy can do better. I like this Texans team. I think if they protect the ball and minimize penalties, they will have a chance in every game. Falling behind Andrew Luck by 24 is a disaster, and save for three minutes against the Steelers, they a played a very sound game. I think it is too early to make conclusions about the team, and I'm glad there are eight more games to see how this team and its players respond. I, like all of you, want to see the Texans win more than anything - whether that be with Fitz, Mallett, Savage, or a new guy. So, here we are at 4-4. could be better, could be worse. Let's hope our boys rally around BOB and play a strong second half!
 
gafftop said:
My point is why don't we have the foresight to sign before we have to trade something to get him.

The Redskins got the same bargain, with veteran quarterback Colt McCoy. Per a source with knowledge of the contract, McCoy gets a base salary of $735,000 and a signing bonus of $65,000. The deal carries a cap number of $635,000.

With only $65,000 guaranteed, there’s a chance McCoy, a third-round pick of the Browns in 2010 who spent 2013 with the 49ers, won’t make the 53-man roster. There’s also a chance he’ll be the No. 2 quarterback, in the event the Redskins decide to trade Kirk Cousins.

What did we pay for Fitz, Mallet, and Savage?

This front office reacts only when it hits them in the face and sometimes not even then.
Do you think they know they have a SLOW team.
LBs, secondary, QBs, OL weak?
No depth.

Or are they drunk on their own Koolaid
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For the $$$$ McCoy is a bargain compared to Fitz.
 
NYTexansFan said:
That' because QB's on bad teams are often scapegoats...look how the Titans are doing now? The Bills with EJ Manuel (though they are better with Orton). When Fitz was on the Bills, their defense was horrendous - the Titans are just terrible top to bottom - even with top pick Jake Locker. They were much more competetive with Fitz at the helm. Things have to be analyzed in the context of perspective. To expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to overcome two horrific 24 point team collapses and late fumbles by WR's in back to back games against good opponents in really pretty crazy.
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When Hasselbeck was with the Titans, I hated the thought that we might knock Locker out, or Vince, & have to deal with Hasselbeck.

When Fitz was with the Titans, I couldn't wait to knock Locker out.
 
I wish we could play the Titans every week. Keep in mind about 5 of these incompletions were good play from the defender knocking the ball down on what could have been complete. Tight coverage.

Notice only 3 pass attempts over 20 yards with 2 of 3 incomplete.

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hradhak said:
It'd be great to put Mallett and / or Savage out there. Fitzpatrick's ceiling has been reached and it isn't good. We tried Keenum out and didn't work. We should do the same with Mallett and Savage and find out what we have before making personnel decisions for next year.
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I think you nailed it about Fitzpatrick's ceiling. This is the best that we can expect from him. He's a classic average game manager, and can succeed if he doesn't make mistakes and the rest of the team plays good football.

He will not consistently put a team on his back and will them to victory. You can maybe hope that he has one comeback win a season, as evidenced by his decade in the league.

NYTexansFan said:
Fitz's ceiling would be be about 6-2 or 7-1 had the team not imploded around him...nice try, though ;)
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hmmm...I recall a fumble at the end of one loss to end a final drive...and then a really stupid interception during a 24 point meltdown to end a half....those are not signs of a great QB.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think you nailed it about Fitzpatrick's ceiling. This is the best that we can expect from him. He's a classic average game manager, and can succeed if he doesn't make mistakes and the rest of the team plays good football.

He will not consistently put a team on his back and will them to victory. You can maybe hope that he has one comeback win a season, as evidenced by his decade in the league.



hmmm...I recall a fumble at the end of one loss to end a final drive...and then a really stupid interception during a 24 point meltdown to end a half....those are not signs of a great QB.
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Nobody will ever mistake Fitz for a great QB. No one will ever be able to prove in any way, shape or form that Fitz is a great QB.

But if you think that great QB's don't ever lose a game because of their individual play or throw a stupid interception...
 
Lucky said:
The truth is that Fitzpatrick is having a career year. This is as good or better than he's ever played. Just as 2004 was Carr's best. Neither is, was, or will be good enough.
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That's a scary thought. His stat-lines don't look too impressive.

14-22, 63.6%, 206 yards, 1 TD
14-19, 73.7%, 139 yards, 2 TD's
19-35, 54.3%, 227 yards, 1 TD
16-25, 64.0%, 154 yards, 1 INT
15-23, 65.2%, 212 yards, 1 TD
20-34, 58.8%, 289 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT's
25-37, 67.6%, 268 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's
21-32, 65.6%, 262 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT
 
hradhak said:
It'd be great to put Mallett and / or Savage out there. Fitzpatrick's ceiling has been reached and it isn't good. We tried Keenum out and didn't work. We should do the same with Mallett and Savage and find out what we have before making personnel decisions for next year.
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Some of us have been beating this drum on deaf ears for a good while now.
 
sandman said:
But if you think that great QB's don't ever lose a game because of their individual play or throw a stupid interception...
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I never said or even implied such a thing. You are either projecting your own bias or trying to create a strawman argument, but either way, those are not my thoughts.

Great QBs have a body of work where they win more games with their play than they lose. That's a basic description of what makes them great. Football 101.

NYTexansFan made a point that Fitzpatrick would be 7-1 right now if not for the team around him. Great QBs can overcome his team's mistakes. Fitzpatrick is not a great QB, so no expectations should be place on him for such a thing. It is simply unrealistic based on his 10 year career.
 
Vinnie said:
Some of us have been beating this drum on deaf ears for a good while now.
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Some of you have been beating that drum before the guy ever even took a snap for the Texans. Thankfully, those who make decisions about these things are far more rational and objective.
 
The only number that matters where Ryan Fitzpatrick is concerned.

Number of teams to ever be successful with Ryan Fitzpatrick as QB = 0
 
This team is horrible...they have the worst pass blocking I have ever seen, and they let Mark Sanchez carve them up. And I have never seen so many costly penalties. And a 4 play 60 plus yard drive...all on runs!!! What a joke...
 
Fitzy keeps apologizing during the post game interviews that he needs to improve and get better. I am tired of him apologizing for his subpar performance and poor decision making on the field. Fitzy has plateaued and I don't see him improving. Let's start Mallett.
 
intertex said:
Fitzy keeps apologizing during the post game interviews that he needs to improve and get better. I am tired of him apologizing for his subpar performance and poor decision making on the field. Fitzy has plateaued and I don't see him improving. Let's start Mallett.
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Through all of this, I do not blame Fitzpatrick. He's not the one that decided to start him these past nine weeks. You can clearly see he's trying his darndest. I thank him for that really.
 
thunderkyss said:
Through all of this, I do not blame Fitzpatrick. He's not the one that decided to start him these past nine weeks. You can clearly see he's trying his darndest. I thank him for that really.
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While I appreciate his effort he simply isn't good enough and never has been. Time to face reality fitz. Solid back up to play in spot duty. Not good enough to lead a team 16 games.
 
intertex said:
Fitzy keeps apologizing during the post game interviews that he needs to improve and get better. I am tired of him apologizing for his subpar performance and poor decision making on the field. Fitzy has plateaued and I don't see him improving. Let's start Mallett.
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This. Like a mo fo. THIS
 
Fitzpatrick is a really good back-up and can hold the fort as a spot starter.

Time for him to assume his natural position.
 
thunderkyss said:
Through all of this, I do not blame Fitzpatrick. He's not the one that decided to start him these past nine weeks. You can clearly see he's trying his darndest. I thank him for that really.
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I don't blame him either. I just want him gone.

I blame O'Brien because he should have known better. I blame McNair for hiring a guy who didn't know better than to hitch his wagon to Ryan Fitzpatrick. I'm incredibly disillusioned by O'Brien's steadfast clinging to a journeyman QB with few skills and demonstrably little grasp of the intricacies of his offense.... despite spending most of a year learning it, practicing it, and playing in it.

At some point O'Brien has to see what everyone else in existence who's bothered to look sees. This QB is hopelessly over matched.
 
amazing80 said:
While I appreciate his effort he simply isn't good enough and never has been. Time to face reality fitz. Solid back up to play in spot duty. Not good enough to lead a team 16 games.
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I never said any different, only that it's not his fault that he's starting for our team. He's being who he is, it's someone else's responsibility to put a competent QB on the field.
 
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