Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Nothing says that is not in the plans. Can't sign him to practice squad until Sunday.
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Nothing says that is not in the plans. Can't sign him to practice squad until Sunday.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
PS players are just one play away from a call to the 53. Particularly true for WR.
It isn't just for learning, it's also about creating competition for the regular squad. Good practice is better than eh practice.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
We forget Leinart so quickly.
Scooter
Funky
i dont know, defensive backs are supposed to be more in rick's wheelhouse. trading up for a guy that the coaches never put above #4 in the depth chart? i've got that one on rick.
Scooter
Funky
you stopped reading after the first sentence didnt you.
KJ is pretty good, he just had a rough start. Harris was a low second rounder, most people on here were pretty happy with that pick. I think Carmichael and McCain were both low rounders, were they not? Glover Quin was pretty good as a 4th rounder...
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Either that or I forgot almost immediately. For some reason I was thinking of Labhart instead of Groves who, as you pointed out, is too long in tooth and wouldn't be eligible for PS.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Just a quick fact check: Carmichael and McCain were 4th and 6th round draft picks, respectively. When did the fourth round become a "high round"?
Scooter
Funky
the high pick of the bunch is kareem, and i think he's a solid choice. dude could be the best DB ever and he'll never outgrow his rookie season (when the best DB on the roster was rookie glover quin). harris was junk from the get go. carmichael had potential but busted, though as a later round pick shouldnt have lasted as long as he did. mccain is an anomaly ... in the right situations he was all-world. outside of that he was junk. either way he was the fastest man on the field and that alone made him the most difficult cut.
kubiak isnt the expert on DB's. wade's expertise is within the front 7 and man to man corners. so, who's lobbying for these db's who really dont mirror the coaches? hmmmm.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Shiloh Keo too. Garbage player.
That's just luck with Sherman.
Or maybe he's brilliant with RB's, Arian wasn't drafted by anyone and he was smart enough to get him.......
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No, I didn't forget Matty HotTub.
When that "plan" went south because he got hurt - a-gain, along with a good chance that Schaub wouldn't be the same, his answer was an undrafted guy in Keenum.
Do you think that was a succession plan?
Really?
Edit: And I'm a Kubiak fan. But that doesn't mean I didn't see his screw ups.
barrett
All Pro
The Harris cut coming late suggests to me that his draft position, physical tools and coaches' son upbringing made the new staff second guess everything they were seeing on tape. (Which is rarely good). But Harris just never seemed to be an instinctive, smart, football player.
I said it in the past, I think seeing Harris plummet down the depth chart after OTA's was a good sign for O'Brien and his staff as far as judging how they evaluate the players.
I saw someone on twitter suggesting that he could have made a better safety, than to be cut. But he has no instincts. So I think that one should be put to bed.
I said it in the past, I think seeing Harris plummet down the depth chart after OTA's was a good sign for O'Brien and his staff as far as judging how they evaluate the players.
I saw someone on twitter suggesting that he could have made a better safety, than to be cut. But he has no instincts. So I think that one should be put to bed.
Goodwrench3
Brazilian fan
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Veteran
Not feeling this cut. I thought he played pretty well.
PFT also has confirmed that the Texans have released linebacker Chris McAllister.
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That was also in your link GW3. Dunno if his name was mentioned yet in this thread ?
If contract and draft position meant nothing, Matthews would have made the team over Nix. But, it does mean something.
I think Pagan can play some NT and there could very well be someone available on the waiver wire that's better than Matthews. I just hope Nix starts living up to the hype.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Nix has looked fat and slow to me all preseason.
That's probably to be expected since he's coming off knee surgery. I had a minor knee surgery several years ago and it took me 6-8 weeks to get back, and I was a competitive athlete at the time
Nix is pretty much like Savage. Don't expect his play to earn him a roster spot just yet. Matthews was competing with Powe & with Pagan & Crick able to play the nose a little & most likely getting Warmsley on the practice squad, Matthews was a longshot to make the team.
I didn't see the physical tools. Harris wasn't fast, quick, or strong. The Texans had UDFAs who were better athletes. I think just being over matched was Harris' problem.
This has got to be a tough pill to swallow for tk.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I don't think there's anything about Nix thats surprised them so far as his history includes weight and injury (knee) issues and they knew there was a real risk/bust factor with him but also a real big upside. A third round pick is for sure a valuable asset, but so is an athletic NT, so he was always going to be a project that required some patience and motivation.
If Nix is still not ready to play, they should IR him and get him in shape for 2015. But, I thought he was cleared to play? If so, is that really an excuse?
Motivation? You're a football player who gets a chance at playing at the highest level. For money. Good money. What more motivation does a guy need?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I'd have kept Matthews over Jamison or crick. 0 chance I'd cut nix. He needs to get back in football shape. He'll be fine.
Jamison's one of the guys who shouldn't feel comfortable until after the waiver wire smoke clears.
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Boswell, Chris K 6-2 185 R Rice
Denham, Anthony TE 6-4 235 R Utah
Labhart, Travis WR 5-9 182 23 0 Texas A&M
Opurum, Toben RB 6-1 250 23 2 Kansas
Potter, Zach TE 6-7 269 28 4 Nebraska
Starling, Jawanza SAF 6-1 206 23 2 USC
Quentin Groves OLB 6-3 265 30 6 Auburn
Mike Farrell T 6-6 303 1 Penn State
Young, Chris ILB 6-0 252 R Arizona State
Harris, Brandon CB 5-10 189 24 4 Miami (Fla.)
McAllister, Chris OLB 6-2 255 R Baylor
Mathews, Ricardo DT 6-3 300 27 5 Cincinnati
Pagan stays over Mathews. Mathews outplayed him imo, but you could see Pagan improving and as a developmental guy. Looks like keeping 6 DL.
See what waiver wire develops.
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Matthews is the present Pagan is the future .
barrett
All Pro
He has good size and was well regarded, I believe coming out.
Yeah, I thought Pagan played well the past couple of games. I think he'll be active and part of the rotation on Sundays. Say what you will about this draft (thus far), but the Texans did well in the late rounds (Pagan, Blue, Prosch, Hal).
I hear you, I know, it doesn't make sense to me either that one would struggle to produce a 100% effort with such apparently attractive incentives to succeed ? But then I have to remind myself that personally speaking here, I had some problems of my own getting my act together at 23.
Nobody has to remind the Texans that Nix is a prospect who had a first-round grade talent-wise but stayed on the Board until the second half of the third round, they surely knew more than anybody that Nix was not going to be a walk in the park.
When does 5'10" 190 equate to "good size"? And I thought we were talking about talent? Good size has nothing to do with talent, anyway.
Obviously, those that regarded Harris highly (at any point) were wrong.
I dunno, but I hear he didn't even play Thursday and if true that means unless he was injured that he'd probably already made the squad ?
I don't want to re-visit the Nix draft day discussion, to avoid hurting the feelings of the Nix man crushers. But you're right, there were valid reasons why Nix was available in the late 3rd. There were reasons that Brennan Williams and Sam Montgomery were available in the 3rd round the year prior. I just hoped the Texans would be past taking on players who were lacking in motivation. Hopefully, the guy turns it around. My point was that Nix hasn't been one of the top 53 players on the team, thus far.
You're probably right, he isn't. But he has a lot promising upside, and you shouldn't look at it from a 'this season' perspective. Reaching a conclusion on him now is premature. And I don't know anything at all about the man-crush discussion. I would apply that to any 3rd round pick. I want to see what he does 'next' year. A lot of people, not you in particular, put too much emphasis on rookies, and then if they make rookie mistakes, they forever suck.
Dam, I was reeeaally hoping Rico made the 53, I liked what he brought to the table and his versatility on the line I thought made him a lock for BOB's "multiple" mold...
That being said, if it came down to Rico or Pagan I guess it makes sense to stick with your draft pick, and I'm glad too bc I really thought Pagan could develop into a late round gem... Anyways it must have been a really tough decision out of the Rico/Crick/Jamison bunch.
That being said, if it came down to Rico or Pagan I guess it makes sense to stick with your draft pick, and I'm glad too bc I really thought Pagan could develop into a late round gem... Anyways it must have been a really tough decision out of the Rico/Crick/Jamison bunch.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
DL seems to be a strength this year. Rico will catch on with another team imo.
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Pagan in 46 snaps vs 49ers had 1 QB hurry, 6 tackles, 1 assist, and 3 defensive stops. Had good & bad moments, but can see the progress.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I agree. So far this looks to be a very good draft. Except (at least so far as we know) for getting a QB they did very well. We are without a good QB. Of course, once our real offense goes into motion with Washington, we really don't know how our QBs will do in this new offense. My suspicion is at best average for our QBs.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I woke up and felt like Christmas when I found out Brandon Harris was cut.
Thank.The.Lord.
Thank.The.Lord.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Totally thought Mathews was going to make it. They had played him at NT and DE with the 2s and I thought he'd played really well.
I've heard Labhart has been told he'll be put on the PS if he clears waivers.
I've heard Labhart has been told he'll be put on the PS if he clears waivers.
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Boswell, Chris K 6-2 185 R Rice
Denham, Anthony TE 6-4 235 R Utah
Labhart, Travis WR 5-9 182 23 0 Texas A&M
Opurum, Toben RB 6-1 250 23 2 Kansas
Potter, Zach TE 6-7 269 28 4 Nebraska
Starling, Jawanza SAF 6-1 206 23 2 USC
Quentin Groves OLB 6-3 265 30 6 Auburn
Mike Farrell T 6-6 303 1 Penn State
Young, Chris ILB 6-0 252 R Arizona State
Harris, Brandon CB 5-10 189 24 4 Miami (Fla.)
McAllister, Chris OLB 6-2 255 R Baylor
Mathews, Ricardo DT 6-3 300 27 5 Cincinnati
Browner, Keith DE 6-4 288 26 2 California
Warmsley, Julius DE 6-2 296 R Tulane
Williams, Marcus CB 5-11 196 R North Dakota State
Kupper, Alex G 6-3 299 24 2 Louisville
Irwin, Bronson G 6-4 316 22 0 Oklahoma
Ferentz, James C 6-2 285 R Iowa
Groves, Quentin OLB 6-3 265 30 6 Auburn
Bullough, Max ILB 6-3 249 22 0 Michigan State
Hazel, Paul
Feiler, Matt T 6-6 330 R Bloomsburg
Bester, Lacoltan WR 6-3 208 R Oklahoma
Nwachukwu, Uzoma WR 5-11 198 23 2 Texas A&M
Boswell, Chris K 6-2 185 R Rice
Denham, Anthony TE 6-4 235 R Utah
Labhart, Travis WR 5-9 182 23 0 Texas A&M
Opurum, Toben RB 6-1 250 23 2 Kansas
Potter, Zach TE 6-7 269 28 4 Nebraska
Starling, Jawanza SAF 6-1 206 23 2 USC
Quentin Groves OLB 6-3 265 30 6 Auburn
Mike Farrell T 6-6 303 1 Penn State
Young, Chris ILB 6-0 252 R Arizona State
Harris, Brandon CB 5-10 189 24 4 Miami (Fla.)
McAllister, Chris OLB 6-2 255 R Baylor
Mathews, Ricardo DT 6-3 300 27 5 Cincinnati
Browner, Keith DE 6-4 288 26 2 California
Warmsley, Julius DE 6-2 296 R Tulane
Williams, Marcus CB 5-11 196 R North Dakota State
Kupper, Alex G 6-3 299 24 2 Louisville
Irwin, Bronson G 6-4 316 22 0 Oklahoma
Ferentz, James C 6-2 285 R Iowa
Groves, Quentin OLB 6-3 265 30 6 Auburn
Bullough, Max ILB 6-3 249 22 0 Michigan State
Hazel, Paul
Feiler, Matt T 6-6 330 R Bloomsburg
Bester, Lacoltan WR 6-3 208 R Oklahoma
Nwachukwu, Uzoma WR 5-11 198 23 2 Texas A&M
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Damn. Bullough gone.
And Ferentz.
And Ferentz.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Are we still 1 over the 53?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I'm hoping Fat Randy is working hard and not being the rotund entitled kid that he was while Koobs was in town. Getting spoon fed a starting NFL job must be nice, I sort of wish they would have brought in more competent kickers to compete, even though Bullock hit a few nice kicks he still makes me nervous when the game might be on the line. This offense is going to need a consistent kicking game.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Damn! I thought one of these would stick for sure.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
No. I forgot Harris.
Here's what I've got now as the roster:
OFFENSE 24
QB: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tom Savage, Case Keenum
RB: Arian Foster, Jonathan Grimes, Alfred Blue, Ronnie Brown
WR: Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Devier Posey, Mike Thomas, Keshawn Martin
TE: Garrett Graham, C.J. Fiedorowicz, Ryan Griffin
FB: Jay Prosch
LT: Duane Brown, Will Yeatman
LG: Ben Jones, Xavier Sua-Filo
C: Chris Myers
RG: Brandon Brooks
RT: Derek Newton, Tyson Clabo
DEFENSE 26
RDE: J.J. Watt, Tim Jamison
NT: Jerrell Powe, Nix III
LDE: Jared Crick, Pagan
SLB: Brooks Reed, Jason Ankrah
ILB: Brian Cushing, Justin Tuggle
ILB: Jeff Tarpinian, Mike Mohamed, Akeem Dent
JLB: Jadeveon Clowney, Whitney Mercilus
LCB: Kareem Jackson, A.J. Bouye, Josh Victorian
RCB: Johnathan Joseph, Mack, Hal
SS: D.J. Swearinger, Shiloh Keo, Eddie Pleasant
FS: Kendrick Lewis, Chris Clemons
SPECIAL TEAMS 3
PK: Randy Bullock
P: Shane Lechler
LS: Jon Weeks