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Case Keenum - Fan Pulse Check [UPDATE] Rams claim Case on waivers

Barring injuries, what is Keenum's future as a Texan this season?

  • Doesn't make the 53 after losing out to Savage in preseason.

    Votes: 32 24.4%

  • Wins the backup job, then is cut midsession when Savage is ready.

    Votes: 18 13.7%

  • Stays on the roster as the backup all year.

    Votes: 36 27.5%

  • Starts game one after winning the job in preseason.

    Votes: 4 3.1%

  • Starts at some point during the season due to Pickspatrick's inadequacy

    Votes: 34 26.0%

  • Wins the league MVP while shattering every passing record the franchise has.

    Votes: 7 5.3%
  • Total voters
    131
Case better be ready.

I just heard the guys on the radio talking to some of the Denver
broadcasters. The one slight the Denver guys had on Houston
was (and I quote) "How bad your (Texans) O-line is.."

That jives with what we saw in AZ, and if they don't get that sorted
Fitz isn't going to last long once the season starts.. (or Case
either for that matter..)
 
speedfreek said:
Case better be ready.

I just heard the guys on the radio talking to some of the Denver
broadcasters. The one slight the Denver guys had on Houston
was (and I quote) "How bad your (Texans) O-line is.."

That jives with what we saw in AZ, and if they don't get that sorted
Fitz isn't going to last long once the season starts.. (or Case
either for that matter..)
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Saturday will be a really good test against one of the elite teams. No one realistically expects us to play on par with Denver. We're also not certain how much our vets will play. OB may play it like Atlanta and not play the vets as much as normal for a third game.
 
speedfreek said:
Case better be ready.

I just heard the guys on the radio talking to some of the Denver
broadcasters. The one slight the Denver guys had on Houston
was (and I quote) "How bad your (Texans) O-line is.."

That jives with what we saw in AZ, and if they don't get that sorted
Fitz isn't going to last long once the season starts.. (or Case
either for that matter..)
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Nothing new. But in the pre-season power rankings, we play only two games against teams currently ranked in the top 10 and only 6 games against teams currently ranked in the top 16.
 
76Texan said:
...Also, the ball left Keenum's hand under the 2-sec mark, with the LG about to be beat.
Keenum was probably hit right after he released the ball.
No matter, I would not put the INT on Keenum.[/COLOR]
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I noticed this. The LOS was the 22 yd line and immediately the entire line gave up 3 yds back to the 25 yd line. From that point, the RT, LG and LT continued to give up ground to the 27 yd line . The RG seemed to anchor for the moment at the 25. The RT seemed to finally anchor a bit at the 27 but the LT and LG continued to be pushed back toward the 30 yd line, but both were staying in front of the defender. They just didn't have the strength or technique to anchor. Case got the ball off with his left leg planted on the 30 and his right leg on the 31, so Longo and his defender were right there in front of him. Longo was sandwiched between the defender and Case, so I don't think he went down. But as fast as you said he got the ball out, he should have gotten it out a fractionally of a second faster for a better chance at the completion.
 
JCTexan said:
I don't consider myself a Keenum homer but you must have way more confidence in Fitzpatrick than I do. The only thing it will take for Keenum to be the full time starter this year is Fitzpatrick having a couple games like he did vs. Arizona.
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The Cardinals have a serious D, and are a playoff caliber team. 2nd season in the Arians offense, and you can bet they are for real. Keenum would have fared no better, or worse had he been in with the 1's.
 
speedfreek said:
Case better be ready.

I just heard the guys on the radio talking to some of the Denver
broadcasters. The one slight the Denver guys had on Houston
was (and I quote) "How bad your (Texans) O-line is.."
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No Myers, and Brooks has been active for like two days. If all goes well (granted, that's far from a given), you're talking about a significant portion of the week one starting O-Line. It may end up being far from great but I think it's got a good shot at being average or a little better.
 
Number19 said:
Nothing new. But in the pre-season power rankings, we play only two games against teams currently ranked in the top 10 and only 6 games against teams currently ranked in the top 16.
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Exactly. We just have to be better than the worst teams in the NFL on the day that we play them.

Doesn't mean we're good, doesn't mean we're a play-off team (probably one & done). Doesn't mean we're a 9 or 10 win team, or whatever.

Just means we're not the worst team in the NFL, which I don't believe we are.
 
thunderkyss said:
Exactly. We just have to be better than the worst teams in the NFL on the day that we play them.

Doesn't mean we're good, doesn't mean we're a play-off team (probably one & done). Doesn't mean we're a 9 or 10 win team, or whatever.

Just means we're not the worst team in the NFL, which I don't believe we are.
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Last season the Texans were in the only place that matters: the win/loss column. Actually they were the best team in the loss column. Had more than anyone else!! :rake:
 
Nitrofish said:
The Cardinals have a serious D, and are a playoff caliber team. 2nd season in the Arians offense, and you can bet they are for real. Keenum would have fared no better, or worse had he been in with the 1's.
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I never said Keenum would have performed better. I just don't have much confidence in Fitzpatrick and I think if he has a few more performances like he did vs. Ari than Keenum will have a good chance to be named starter.
 
Yall are gonna feel real bad about this **** you're saying about Keenum, especially when he wins us the next five super bowls.
 
Thorn said:
Yall are gonna feel real bad about this **** you're saying about Keenum, especially when he wins us the next five super bowls.
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It cannot be said that Fitz hasn't given him every opportunity this pre-season to take the job away from him. If you can't beat out a turnover-plagued journeyman QB more famous for his beard than anything else...
 
OK, so he only wins us three super bowls.

I think he stays on the team, but he's still got a ways to go. If they are going to keep Keenum and Savage both, they have to go on the final roster. Savage is to good to risk him on the practice squad, and Keenum isn't eligible for that anyway.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
Please cut the guy.

I don't want hear another poster on here mention his name again......ever.
 
DBCooper said:
Please cut the guy.

I don't want hear another poster on here mention his name again......ever.
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Then you best log off now and not come back for a couple of years.
not being mean, but I think O'Brien keeps three QBs and Keenum will be one of them for the near future.
 
ObsiWan said:
Then you best log off now and not come back for a couple of years.
not being mean, but I think O'Brien keeps three QBs and Keenum will be one of them for the near future.
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Even if we cut Keenum we'll be talking about him for at least two more years.
 
Don't like what I'm seeing from Keenum. That last series that he played in was pitiful. He started 8 games last year....we didn't win any of them and now thru training camp and three preseason games he hasn't improved at all. It is what it is. Time to move on. Savage #2 and at this point I don't care what they do with Keenum. Savage should be the backup quarterback. I mean why did we draft him if he's not going to be our backup QB till he's ready to be the starter??
 
i thought both keenum and fitz looked pretty bad last night. there were about 6 throws that should've been intercepted between them. i'm waffling a bit, but between the 3 i still like keenum best this season. hopefully by this time next year savage will have progressed enough to end the debate.
 
I've watched the game twice already & while neither Fitz or Case look like Peyton I do t think they looked as bad as we are saying here. We can win some games with the way both played last night.

& Keenum is miles ahead of where he was last year & has shown marked improvement since the Cardinals game. Looks like he knows the play book now & is capable of getting them lined up & ready to snap the ball as efficiently as needed.
 
keenum worked in a way that was very different from fitz last night, though i dont know if it's a good thing or not. he seemed to know where the ball was going pre-snap. that's great, he's dropping back, throwing in a rhythm that neither fitz or savage have and allowing his eyes to move. that nearly got him in trouble a few times though. he didnt see the d-lineman drop back into zone, and there were a handful of plays where he and the receiver werent on the same page. some were dropped, some throws went wild, and others were right on the money.

keenum really needs to be seen with the 1's to have any grasp of where he's at. i'm reserved about his ability to read the defense and see their schemes, but he has a very strong grasp of the offense and what he needs to do.
 
DBCooper said:
Don't be mean...........Jedi!
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Sorry.
A bit of the Dark Side leaked out.
Apologies.

but you know if folks are still asking about the viability of VY after all this time then you know this Keenum stay or go debate is far from over. That's all I meant.
 
I don't get why people are hell bent on Case playing w the first unit. He's in competition for QB2 and is losing that battle.
 
ObsiWan said:
Sorry.
A bit of the Dark Side leaked out.
Apologies.

but you know if folks are still asking about the viability of VY after all this time then you know this Keenum stay or go debate is far from over. That's all I meant.
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No doubt about that.

It will keep all this "start Keenum" nonsense to a minimum if we cut him though.
 
So in game 2, I think Case was accurate and fairly quick with his reads. I really wanted to see him get a chance with our 1s. This week he showed the exact problem many fans have. He is so damn inconsistent. He was all over with his passes and it looked like he locked in on his wideouts each throw. I didn't see him going through progressions at all. I think he improved in the pocket, but it made him uncomfortable and he played bad. I think at this point, you let Tom start game 4 and let Case play the 2nd half. I would def. keep both, because Fitz is no stallion or iron man.....we need three qbs right now
 
When OB opens the playbook during the regular season with wider skill set options, this could either work for any one of the QBs or against. I'll be watching for its effect.
 
legacy_gt said:
who is saying start keenum? fitz is our guy no matter what people think. keenum will also most likely make the team as either 2nd or 3rd qb.
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DBCooper said:
When did they stop saying it?
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DocBar said:
I stopped saying it 7 or 8 months ago, fwiw....
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You know, I realize Fitz is our guy and everything. I know that's not going to change. Right now I'm saying "Start Keenum" because Fitz is our guy. The reason I would start Keenum over Fitz is that I don't think Fitz is better than Keenum. Until he demonstrates otherwise* I see him as a waste of time. At least with Keenum there's a possibility at least that he shows growth and improvement. Fitz is 12 years of well documented mediocrity with a splash of "Doh!" here and there.

If Keenum (or Savage for that matter) just tears it up Thursday it's going to really fuel that doubt I have where Fitz is concerned. I think that will be a pretty common reaction among Texans fans. I hope they both look good because I think we're going to be looking for options in a month or so.

What I'm really wondering about though is what OB will do if Fitz goes out there and does what he's almost always done in the past. How short is the leash and is OB a guy who will make a switch when something isn't working. I can't wait to find out how that plays out because that will tell us if he's going to be a guy who can be flexible and is willing to experiment to get the results he wants or is he going to be another Kubiak type who will keep grinding away until he's failed utterly.



*Make no mistake, once the real games start I'm looking for the miracle and hoping that Fitz does just that
 
Hervoyel said:
You know, I realize Fitz is our guy and everything. I know that's not going to change. Right now I'm saying "Start Keenum" because Fitz is our guy. The reason I would start Keenum over Fitz is that I don't think Fitz is better than Keenum. Until he demonstrates otherwise* I see him as a waste of time. At least with Keenum there's a possibility at least that he shows growth and improvement. Fitz is 12 years of well documented mediocrity with a splash of "Doh!" here and there.

If Keenum (or Savage for that matter) just tears it up Thursday it's going to really fuel that doubt I have where Fitz is concerned. I think that will be a pretty common reaction among Texans fans. I hope they both look good because I think we're going to be looking for options in a month or so.

What I'm really wondering about though is what OB will do if Fitz goes out there and does what he's almost always done in the past. How short is the leash and is OB a guy who will make a switch when something isn't working. I can't wait to find out how that plays out because that will tell us if he's going to be a guy who can be flexible and is willing to experiment to get the results he wants or is he going to be another Kubiak type who will keep grinding away until he's failed utterly.



*Make no mistake, once the real games start I'm looking for the miracle and hoping that Fitz does just that
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Wow. I'm not a huge fan of Fitz, but my eyes tell me he's considerably better than Keenum. That's a sad staement to have to make, but that's what I've seen the last 2 PS games. I'm considering game 1 as the outlier.

I'm hoping Fitz has a career year and that OB puts the best players on the field.
 
DocBar said:
Wow. I'm not a huge fan of Fitz, but my eyes tell me he's considerably better than Keenum. That's a sad staement to have to make, but that's what I've seen the last 2 PS games. I'm considering game 1 as the outlier.

I'm hoping Fitz has a career year and that OB puts the best players on the field.
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The bolded part is where we (and pretty much everyone else here) meet.

I see Fitz doing things he should know better than to do. I see Keenum doing a lot of those same things I admit but I've also seen him look better this year. I'm saying the main difference between them is how long each one has been doing stupid **** that kills drives and I think it's likely easier to break the guy who's been doing it for a year than it will be to break the guy who has been doing it for 12 years.

But in the long run I'm just hoping that whatever the Texans choose to do works and (as always) that they put the best guy on the field. That's something we haven't always seen out of this team in the past. I think every team plays guys from time to time knowing that they aren't necessarily the best guy they have available. Probably mostly it's about starting a high draft pick and hoping he'll get it. Sometimes it's a coach starting a favorite over someone that everyone else seems to think is better. Maybe it's starting a big salary over a little one to justify the cost. It happens.

I'm really hopeful about this regime. They don't seem to be all that set on any of that stuff. Maybe they just haven't had time to make mistakes they need to cover up or maybe they haven't found their favorites yet but I don't think so. I think OB just wants the guy who can get it done and doesn't really care how we get there. It's putting a smile on my face thinking that might be the case. I think it's a good year to be a Texans fan despite all the question marks.

Like I've said all along. If Case Keenum can't push Ftizpatrick to the bench then he's not...

:fans: The One :fans:
 
Hervoyel said:
The bolded part is where we (and pretty much everyone else here) meet.

I see Fitz doing things he should know better than to do. I see Keenum doing a lot of those same things I admit but I've also seen him look better this year. I'm saying the main difference between them is how long each one has been doing stupid **** that kills drives and I think it's likely easier to break the guy who's been doing it for a year than it will be to break the guy who has been doing it for 12 years.

But in the long run I'm just hoping that whatever the Texans choose to do works and (as always) that they put the best guy on the field. That's something we haven't always seen out of this team in the past. I think every team plays guys from time to time knowing that they aren't necessarily the best guy they have available. Probably mostly it's about starting a high draft pick and hoping he'll get it. Sometimes it's a coach starting a favorite over someone that everyone else seems to think is better. Maybe it's starting a big salary over a little one to justify the cost. It happens.

I'm really hopeful about this regime. They don't seem to be all that set on any of that stuff. Maybe they just haven't had time to make mistakes they need to cover up or maybe they haven't found their favorites yet but I don't think so. I think OB just wants the guy who can get it done and doesn't really care how we get there. It's putting a smile on my face thinking that might be the case. I think it's a good year to be a Texans fan despite all the question marks.

Like I've said all along. If Case Keenum can't push Ftizpatrick to the bench then he's not...

:fans: The One :fans:
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That's what has me excited about the season. I've stated before that Kubiak's biggest fault was starting his pet players regardless of performance. I don't see OB doing that. I don't have a good feel for how quickly a player will get the hook, but it's 8 months into the OB regime. Time will tell.
 
With Fitz, you know what you have. You're not going to be able to turn chicken sh*t into chicken salad with that one. I fear Case is in the same situation. He doesn't look like an NFL quarterback and he's had ample opportunity. The only QB currently on the roster with any upside is Savage because we simply don't know what he's capable of yet.

Case will get cut and another QB will be picked up to be our 3rd QB on roster.
 
IlliniJen said:
With Fitz, you know what you have. You're not going to be able to turn chicken sh*t into chicken salad with that one. I fear Case is in the same situation. He doesn't look like an NFL quarterback and he's had ample opportunity. The only QB currently on the roster with any upside is Savage because we simply don't know what he's capable of yet.

Case will get cut and another QB will be picked up to be our 3rd QB on roster.
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Slightly disagree with the bolded, but it might just be a matter of your wording.
I do believe Keenum has some upside compared to the baseline he has set for himself so far.
However, I don't believe his upside is enough to turn him into a viable starter.
 
IlliniJen said:
With Fitz, you know what you have. You're not going to be able to turn chicken sh*t into chicken salad with that one. I fear Case is in the same situation. He doesn't look like an NFL quarterback and he's had ample opportunity. The only QB currently on the roster with any upside is Savage because we simply don't know what he's capable of yet.

Case will get cut and another QB will be picked up to be our 3rd QB on roster.
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Not sure if we're at a point where OB can be believed on something like this but if this story is accurate and he means it then we're set at QB.

Harvey: Texans have their Quarterback, for better or worse.

So it looks like we all most likely get another season of Keenum at backup unless Savage just blows up tomorrow night.
 
I have this strong feeling that when the whole playbook is opened up fully, it will work against Fitzpatrick and will work to Keenum's advantage. May be wrong, but I don't think so.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have this strong feeling that when the whole playbook is opened up fully, it will work against Fitzpatrick and will work to Keenum's advantage. May be wrong, but I don't think so.
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In what area(s) of the scheme? Athletically or mentally?
 
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