slow your roll Cool... how about we scour the waiver wire for the best quality O-line help first. Maybe if we give them decent protection the QB-ing will improve.
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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?
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slow your roll Cool... how about we scour the waiver wire for the best quality O-line help first. Maybe if we give them decent protection the QB-ing will improve.
Hervoyel
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slow your roll Cool... how about we scour the waiver wire for the best quality O-line help first. Maybe if we give them decent protection the QB-ing will improve.
No way man, I'm thinking if Shitz is going to be starting the rest of the year why not just pull a "Rockhound" and find a good spot to watch the end of the world from. It's time to "Embrace the horror" in that situation and I can think of no one I'd rather watch run for their life in utter confusion than David Carr.
Make it happen Rick!
Naija Texan
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To be fair, I think people should have realized that Mallet wasn't special when the Patriots went out of their way to grab a QB in the second round with his contract coming up and Brady a few years from possibly retiring.
But regardless, Mallet isn't the answer for this team at QB especially considering the issues we have at the offensive line, best look toward the draft.
But regardless, Mallet isn't the answer for this team at QB especially considering the issues we have at the offensive line, best look toward the draft.
This is where I'm at. The draft is over and ya gotta piss with the cock ya got. Shitzpatrick is that cock, unless Keenum or Savage prove to be better cocks. Play the games with the guys ya got. If' you're all that as a coach, there should be significant improvement in the W/L column while you build the roster to your expectations.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Not according to some plastic surgeons.
Those inter web ad's lie. Don't believe them, especially at your age.
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#TomSavageDontCare
http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/careerstats
Everyone says this but does ANYONE actually look at his stat line?
CloakNNNdagger
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Something's going on with Mallet. He has not been at practice now for the second day in a row. Injury???
I don't know if you saw the Pats' game but Mallett landed awkwardly trying to execute a QB slide. It looked like he jammed his knee into the ground trying to stick the landing. He was limping a tad going back to the huddle. But he continued to play the rest of the half.
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#TomSavageDontCare
Yeah but then you add in Peter Kings comment in his MMQB column:
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny-manziel-preseason-browns-michael-sam-rams/5/
EllisUnit
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I think it's this.
Tried to slide & his knee dug right into the turf. Looked like it hurt to me.
CloakNNNdagger
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I think it's this.
Tried to slide & his knee dug right into the turf. Looked like it hurt to me.
If I remember, he was already wearing a knee brace during the game.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Mallet has had a left knee problem since college. Here is a picture of him (taken 2010 after sustaining another left knee injury in a game against Auburn) after he sustained an injury to that already protected knee.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
He's being held out as the Texans and Pats finalize the trade. lol 2015 6th or 7th rounder for Mallet. Case gets cut.
He's being held out as the Texans and Pats finalize the trade. lol 2015 6th or 7th rounder for Mallet. Case gets cut.
Take out the last sentence and that would be welcomed news for me.
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HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Lowering my offer to a 2016 8th round pick.
Eh, a can of Bean Dip might get'er done now
bah007
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Arkansas was 5-7 the year that Mallett was sitting out as a transfer. It was also Petrino's first year there.
They were 8-5 and 10-3 in Mallett's two years as the starter.
They went 11-2 the year after Mallett left. This was Petrino's final year. They then went 4-8 the next year.
Petrino did far more than Mallett than Mallett did for Petrino. For some reason I've been the only one on the planet who has noticed this. Everyone else is blinded by Mallett's size and arm.
If you don't think Miles is a great coach then I don't know what to tell you. Does he occassionally do some goofball stuff? Yes. But all coaches do from time to time. He is also 95-24 as a HC.
drs23
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He's got the tools, he responds to coaching. Nothing wrong with that.
Still, the main thing is that O'Brien & Godsey spent time with him, preparing him for the NFL. If they want him, I want him. If they don't want him, I don't want him. If they think he's worth a first round pick, I'm extremely excited. If they would rather wait till he's a free agent next year... I couldn't care less about him.
drs23
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Whuut? Ya lost me Tk. Again...
O'Brien & Godsey have spent time with Mallet. They know what his mental capacity is, how well he grasps the system, if he's seeing the things he's supposed to see, if he's thinking the way he's supposed to think... If he understands what they are needing their QB to do in this system.
If they think he's worth a 1st round pick, that's better than all the media hyped prospects & Mayock's best, etc...
If, on the other hand, they feel like he isn't worth a draft pick & are fine with waiting to see if he's available next offseason (What's to stop another team from trading for him? SF gave up a 6th for Gabert).
If you thought there was a franchise QB buried on someone's depth chart, do you wait for him to become available in FA?
I understand not wanting to "deal" with Bellichick, but I'd gladly have given up this years 2nd & next if it would have got us a franchise QB in Houston before OTAs.
xtruroyaltyx
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It's not that exact of of science. Belichick might have thought Brady could be a starter, but he waited until the 6th round.
You can like a guy but not want to give up too much. Risk vs reward. You can like a guy but understand there's the reasonable chance he doesn't live up to expectations.
If it were that obvious who was going to be a franchise guy and who wasn't it'd be easy to determine worth.
I'm convinced OB is looking for the next Tom Brady and won't settle for less. I have no idea how you go about finding the next Tom Brady, though. That combination of dedication, talent and intelligence is pretty rare. I can count the number of similar players on one hand. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees. Several others have some of the traits, but I only see those 4 as having all of them. I count intangibles in with talent.
Of the three traits, I think dedication is the hardest to gauge. I'd love to see how I would react if I was a young, studly millionaire who happened to be the starting QB for an NFL team. I was once a young, studly broke S.O.B who happened to be a bull rider. Chicks dig bull riders...
Yes, luck plays a huge role. Right HC/OC/QB. No matrix for that yet.
Maybe OB thinks Savage is his lucky pick?
Texian
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Belichick has stated (paraphrased) the main reasons why he decided to draft Brady is because not only did Tom win, Tom delivered wins when his team was down and needed him most. Belichick said it seemed like every time you put the tape on Brady was producing a 4th quarter win and/or game winning drive.
These are similar comments expressed by Bill Walsh on what made Walsh pull the trigger to draft Joe Montana.
Great info. Thanks for putting that out here.
infantrycak
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Exactly. NE knew nothing about Brady, left him high and dry on the Board
thru 5 rounds. They had no clue, just incredibly good fortune.
Texian
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Belichick on Brady
"“We saw Tom time and again his senior year start the game off well, and so many times Tom would come back in, and rescue the situation, and pull out the win for Michigan against great competition, the biggest game,”
Shea, one of the stars of the program, said Brady was the “best quarterback on the team, bar none. Ask any guy on that team.” Brady possessed the intangibles - he was even dubbed as “The Comeback Kid” at Michigan - but he wasn’t afraid to admit Henson was faster, stronger, quicker, more elusive and had a better arm.
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2011/04/bill-belich...ng-on-tom-brady-in-fifth-round-of-2000-draft/
Not entirely by luck. There was a thought process behind picking Brady. That's my same philosophy on drafting. I must be in the wrong business......
I'm not talking about the draft. I'm talking about Bill O'Brien & George Godsey spending real time with Mallet after the draft. He's got a team now that is in need of a QB. Sure, he's new & there's a honeymoon period, but nothing begets winning like winning.
Doesn't make sense to play games & quibble about the cost of a guy you feel can be a franchise QB. If we're going to wait 'till next year, they don't think he's a franchise guy.
We're arguing in circles here. BB and Peoli saw something, an intangible, in Brady and drafted him very late. If they thought, for a second, that he was rated higher than another player in the draft, they would've drafted him sooner. They didn't and he wasn't. That's where my point on dedication comes in. The Pats, despite all of their magical draft prowess, couldn't properly see how Brady's talent, intelligence and dedication set him apart. It's Brady's dedication to perfection that sets him apart. It's the same with Manning, Rodgers and Brees. They are masters at their craft, not merely very good at it.
You're spot on, IMHO, TK
Number19
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By trading for him, with a late round pick, you get him at this years salary. If we resign him at the end of his current contract, we will be in no worse position than if we wait until after this season.
Who do you release? If we sign Mallett, Savage will leave at the end of his contract so we'd essentially be throwing that time, training and money down the drain.
Who do you release? If we sign Mallett, Savage will leave at the end of his contract so we'd essentially be throwing that time, training and money down the drain.
What?
If Mallett is actually released or traded, that means that Garappolo is the only other QB on the Pats' roster behind Brady. Do you folks really think Belichick will roll through the season with just a rookie as his only backup??
I'm having a hard time believing that.
I'm having a hard time believing that.
xtruroyaltyx
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Whether it's the draft or acquiring a player from another team, you still have to assess value.
We knew that we needed a qb going into the draft. OB might like savage and think he might develop into a starter, but they still assigned a value to him.
You don't just give up whatever a team is asking for because you like a guy. Vikings coach said he things teddy b is going to be a special qb. Yet he waited until the end of the first to move up for him. Why not take a special qb with your first pick? They assessed the market and spent what was necessary.
When I shop, just because I want or need something doesn't mean I'll pay whatever the first store is asking.
And that's way more clear cut than trading for a qb. There's more than jus ob involved in this decision. And it's not like you have to settle on one guy...he could like things about mcgloin, hoyer, mallet, savage...or even fitz and keenum...
If he was zoned in on a guy and SURE he'd become a franchise guy, then he might give up what a team wanted. But he can like a guy and not be 100% sold. And even if he is, you still don't give up more than you have to.
I agree. But the Pats weren't asking for pie in the sky, they were asking for a single 2nd rounder. We could have traded back into the second round with some of our later picks to give them a 2nd.
We didn't.
We didn't give them our second.
We didn't give them this years third & next years 2nd.
"Obviously" they assessed his value lower than that. Which means they do not think he is a franchise QB, or has the potential to be.
fitz....he has no desire.
bah007
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This is the exact argument I've been having for years on this board. My position is that Mallett does not have the tools. He has never and will never have the tools. He's a big man with a big arm. That is it. Size and arm strength are irrelevant to me as long as a minimum requirement is met. Beyond those two things his toolbox is empty.
And his response to coaching is a total guess. The only evidence we have is what we can see. Mallett has not looked even average a single time he has stepped on a NFL field. He is also coming into a contract year and the best coach in the NFL drafted his replacement already (with a pretty high pick) while actively trying to shop him.
If Mallett had looked amazing in the small amount of time we've seen him then I would understand all the hoopla. But he has never come close to that. All he has ever done is put up good college stats while playing in a QB friendly system that made people think Tyler Wilson was a NFL QB. The same Tyler Wilson who took Mallett's 10 win team and turned it into an 11 win team.
I agree with you that if O'Brien wanted him I would stand behind the decision and hope that I am wrong. But I still maintain that Mallett has never been anything more than a big man with a big arm. He is not a NFL starting QB.
Outside his connection with O'Brien, there is no hoopla. If we didn't have O'Brien, there would be no more talk about Ryan Mallet than there is about Ryan Nassib.
Well there's that Fitzgerald thing to. That's probably making any QB not named Schaub look pretty enticing right now.