The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread

[Honoring Earl 34]

Yup. I remember when this was so obviously incriminating too. I mean, what else could he be doing?

I'm not saying Manziel WASN'T doing what people think but it's not as OBVIOUS as people are making it out to be.

Obama doing coke with JFF ?

 

[Playoffs]

Remember when the Browns paid $100,000 for a study on which QB to take in the draft...?

And the results said they should take Teddy Bridgewater...?

And then a homeless man told Browns owner Jimmy Haslam to "draft Johnny Football"...?

And so Haslam overruled his front office during the draft?

While JFF is in Vegas rolling up bills, following the path of prior generations(link & link),

Teddy Bridgewater is taking reps/studying/working.

 

[bOODRO87]

Yup. I remember when this was so obviously incriminating too. I mean, what else could he be doing?

I'm not saying Manziel WASN'T doing what people think but it's not as OBVIOUS as people are making it out to be.

So what's it like to have never gone to a party or been offered drugs? I kid I kid..

 

[2012Champs]

Yup. I remember when this was so obviously incriminating too. I mean, what else could he be doing?

I'm not saying Manziel WASN'T doing what people think but it's not as OBVIOUS as people are making it out to be.

Can you give a few plausible reasons why jm would be rolling 20s in the bathroom?

 

[houstonspartan]

Yup. I remember when this was so obviously incriminating too. I mean, what else could he be doing?

I'm not saying Manziel WASN'T doing what people think but it's not as OBVIOUS as people are making it out to be.

Ok. So, in your opinion,what do you honestly think he was doing? I ask that question in all seriousness. Why do you think he was rolling bills in a bathroom in Las Vegas?

Also, I sent a text earlier to a buddy of mine who, uh, partakes in that kind of recreational entertainment. I don't do it, but, wanted his take.

Me: "You'd know this better than me. What do you think Manziel was doing in that photo?"

Buddy: "Cocaine."

Personally, I have no problem with him doing it. It's his business. I just think he should be a bit more discrete about things.

 

[Marcus]

Ok. So, in your opinion,what do you honestly think he was doing? I ask that question in all seriousness. Why do you think he was rolling bills in a bathroom in Las Vegas?

Also, I sent a text earlier to a buddy of mine who, uh, partakes in that kind of recreational entertainment. I don't do it, but, wanted his take.

Me: "You'd know this better than me. What do you think Manziel was doing in that photo?"

Buddy: "Cocaine."

Personally, I have no problem with him doing it. It's his business. I just think he should be a bit more discrete about things.

If you "partaked in that kind of recreational entertainment", you'd most certainly would have a problem with him doing it.....

......if you were a Browns fan that is.

 

[Stemp]

Some of yall think he's

When in reality he's

 

[2012Champs]

Some of yall think he's

When in reality he's

So that's your response to the plausible scenario of what he is doing?


Your homerism would be more tolerable if you said something like "gdamn it certainly doesn't look good, I wish he'd get his **** together"

 

[Stemp]

So that's your response to the plausible scenario of what he is doing?


Your homerism would be more tolerable if you said something like "gdamn it certainly doesn't look good, I wish he'd get his **** together"

Because all this hype is stupid and ridiculous and people are ready to claim him a failure and a bust when he hasn't done anything.

I mean, what's he been caught doing? He's on a photo messing with a bill in a bathroom. People are assuming this is from Vegas this weekend. People are assuming he's rolling the bill to snort coke. People are making all kinds of assumptions. Everytime there is a photo of him that spreads around, it's him doing "something" that may be questionable or may be nothing. People are getting all up in arms about pics of him that don't show him doing anything wrong or illegal.

I mean, if you are going to convict the guy at least have something other than a pic of him maybe doing something possibly illegal. :kubepalm:

 

[Stemp]

What's a plausible scenario?

He's messing with a bill in a bathroom before he puts in his wallet or pocket. Maybe a chick gave him her digits on it. Maybe he prepping the cash to slip to a bouncer or a hot chick.

Frankly, it doesn't look like the bill is actually between his fingers since there is either a glare or something else in his hands that is white (like a lighter or something else). But he's got a bill in between his hands and he's in a bathroom, so of course he MUST be getting ready to do coke in front of all those people, like he's Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction or something.

 

[Stemp]

The bigger queston we need to ask ourselfs is "if Johnny was using drugs, who sold it to him?", Johnny would never do anything like this on his own it must be one of his nogood friends thats forcing him to make all these bad decisons. Well lookie lookie at who was partying with Mr. Football just before his trip to Vegas- thats right Robert "Sniffin".

Now RG-"Key" is usualy known as a type guy whose more likely to roll up a ACL then a USD, but when a guys career is mostly defined by losing because of a Wounded Knee, its no suprise that he'd influence his friends to desecrate a portrait of Andrew Jackson but thats just my take folks. You think its just a coincidense that Johnny was recently seen partying with a guy from a district of COLUMBIA and then he just magically gets his hands on some coke? Im sorry but if you believe thats just happenstance then you dont know anything about football.

A much more likley explanation is that he was at a strip club so Johnny was most likley being a gentleman and giving the dancer's money that they could imediately stash on there person,, I mean its not like those girls have purses with them onstage. But IF Johnny was actually planning on using the rolled up dollar to play some bump n run then maybe lets put the blame were its deserved: on Robert Griffin. Its funny how you dont hear any people rushing to the side of some one with drugs problem and meanwhile his possible dealer doesnt get any of the blame. Double standard much? But Im not going to sit here and speculate on who might of sold it to him I'll leave that to you all.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/7/7/5877259/robert-griffin-iii-is-a-bad-influence-on-johnny-manziel

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Not to turn this into a NSZ issue, but it's funny how you defended Zimmerman's actions with no evidence against trayvon besides a hunch, but you're ranting about people speculating about manziel doing coke in the restroom.

Where's the consistency?

Is it because manziel is a young white guy from a&m?

 

[houstonspartan]

What's a plausible scenario?

He's messing with a bill in a bathroom before he puts in his wallet or pocket. Maybe a chick gave him her digits on it. Maybe he prepping the cash to slip to a bouncer or a hot chick.

Frankly, it doesn't look like the bill is actually between his fingers since there is either a glare or something else in his hands that is white (like a lighter or something else). But he's got a bill in between his hands and he's in a bathroom, so of course he MUST be getting ready to do coke in front of all those people, like he's Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction or something.

You have got to be kidding me.

Your profile says you're 37-years old. Are you telling me, that as a 37-year-old that has lived a life, it's not obvious that Manziel is doing lines of Cocaine in that pic?

Prepping cash to slip to bouncer or hot chic? Most people FOLD money they're trying to slip to someone, not ROLL it.

Johnny was more than likely doing lines of Cocaine in Las Vegas. Again, that's his business if he wants to do that. But, he should have some common sense to keep it off of social media.

People have said, "He would never be that dumb to do that in front of all of those people."

Newsflash: most of these athletes aren't the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree. They're physically talented, but most are dumb and clueless as a box of hair.

 

[Stemp]

Not to turn this into a NSZ issue, but it's funny how you defended Zimmerman's actions with no evidence against trayvon besides a hunch, but you're ranting about people speculating about manziel doing coke in the restroom.

Where's the consistency?

Is it because manziel is a young white guy from a&m?

You mean I defended Zimmerman because there was no evidence he murdered Martin but rather acted in self defense? And now I like manziel because he's white? Riiiight... because hispanic guys ALWAYS defend the white guy, you know, because they might have to mow his grass later on.

:mariopalm:

 

[Stemp]

You have got to be kidding me.

Your profile says you're 37-years old. Are you telling me, that as a 37-year-old that has lived a life, it's not obvious that Manziel is doing lines of Cocaine in that pic?

Prepping cash to slip to bouncer or hot chic? Most people FOLD money they're trying to slip to someone, not ROLL it.

Johnny was more than likely doing lines of Cocaine in Las Vegas. Again, that's his business if he wants to do that. But, he should have some common sense to keep it off of social media.

People have said, "He would never be that dumb to do that in front of all of those people."

Newsflash: most of these athletes aren't the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree. They're physically talented, but most are dumb and clueless as a box of hair.

And it's obvious some people just want to take the worst possible scenario and refuse to admit it MIGHT be something else. And if some video appeared that showed him just messing with the money and putting it his pocket, then of course these people will shout from the hilltops they were wrong just as loudly and forcefully as they are claiming he MUST BE DOING COKE BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD A RICH YOUNG WHITE GUY HAVE A 20 DOLLAR BILL THAT MIGHT BE ROLLED UP IN A BATHROOM!!!! OMG!!! HE MUST DOING COKE!!!!!!THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION!!!**



** Except that Manziel is sure to be drug tested when he goes back to Cleveland and if he passes no one will care because there is no other explanation for a white guy to have a 20 dollar bill in his hands in a bathroom except for doing coke

 

[Dan B.]

Cocaine is out of your system in ~2 days. He could take some on Friday and pass a drug test Monday.

 

[Stemp]

Cocaine is out of your system in ~2 days. He could take some on Friday and pass a drug test Monday.

If only that were true. I have some former friends who wish it was.
I think the usual time is 4 days but many drug tests can detect it from longer.

 

[TEXANRED]

I understood the VY threads cus he was in our division, but Manziel is in a place where QB's go to die. So who care about Manziel?

 

[Dan B.]

The Browns also may have already done their substance abuse tests for the year, in which case he won't be tested again until next April at the earliest. They can't test just Manziel, and they only test players once for street drugs unless they are in the league's substance abuse program (like Josh Gordon):

All players under contract with an NFL club will be tested once during the period beginning April 20 and continuing through August 9. Testing in the pre-season may be done on a team-wide basis or by position groups at the discretion of the Medical Advisor but not on an individual-by-individual basis.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010 Drug Policy.pdf

 

[2012Champs]

Because all this hype is stupid and ridiculous and people are ready to claim him a failure and a bust when he hasn't done anything.

I mean, what's he been caught doing? He's on a photo messing with a bill in a bathroom. People are assuming this is from Vegas this weekend. People are assuming he's rolling the bill to snort coke. People are making all kinds of assumptions. Everytime there is a photo of him that spreads around, it's him doing "something" that may be questionable or may be nothing. People are getting all up in arms about pics of him that don't show him doing anything wrong or illegal.

I mean, if you are going to convict the guy at least have something other than a pic of him maybe doing something possibly illegal. :kubepalm:

i


I'm not convicting anyone or asking you to do it either. You are rediculously biased and can't admit this kid is just not making the best choices to put himself in the best spot for his career.

Frankly your plausible scenarios are possible but not really plausible. You don't roll a bill to put it in your wallet, pocket, bouncer etc. get realistic

 

[infantrycak]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/7/7/5877259/robert-griffin-iii-is-a-bad-influence-on-johnny-manziel[/URL]

Well I guess that is a credible source since it agrees with you. Never mind that the author would fail a 3rd grade spelling and grammar test.

he MUST BE DOING COKE BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD A RICH YOUNG WHITE GUY HAVE A 20 DOLLAR BILL THAT MIGHT BE ROLLED UP IN A BATHROOM!!!!

Might be rolled up? - wow, you've lost it.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Well I guess that is a credible source since it agrees with you. Never mind that the author would fail a 3rd grade spelling and grammar test.



Might be rolled up? - wow, you've lost it.

The good news is they can donate the funds raised for the Manziel Shrine at Kyle Field to a local charity .

 

[Mr teX]

And it's obvious some people just want to take the worst possible scenario and refuse to admit it MIGHT be something else. And if some video appeared that showed him just messing with the money and putting it his pocket, then of course these people will shout from the hilltops they were wrong just as loudly and forcefully as they are claiming he MUST BE DOING COKE BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD A RICH YOUNG WHITE GUY HAVE A 20 DOLLAR BILL THAT MIGHT BE ROLLED UP IN A BATHROOM!!!! OMG!!! HE MUST DOING COKE!!!!!!THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION!!!**



** Except that Manziel is sure to be drug tested when he goes back to Cleveland and if he passes no one will care because there is no other explanation for a white guy to have a 20 dollar bill in his hands in a bathroom except for doing coke

Wow....It's pretty clear Manziel is on the Ryan Leaf track to NFL success with all the partying and now suspected drug use.

& if this contirbutes to his failure on the NFL level, we might have to put you on suicide watch.

 

[Stemp]

Well I guess that is a credible source since it agrees with you. Never mind that the author would fail a 3rd grade spelling and grammar test.

Wow, you are so jaded you can't even see parody when it's right in front you. Had you CLICKED THE LINK like you always suggest people do, you'd see it's called parody in the first sentence.

Might be rolled up? - wow, you've lost it.

Yeah, too bad I use my eyes and actually look and don't take a glance and proclaim that I know what is going on. He MIGHT be rolling it up and he MIGHT be doing something else with it.

So many people are bound and determined to crucify the guy that are blinded that there
MIGHT be another explanation.

 

[Stemp]

i


I'm not convicting anyone or asking you to do it either. You are rediculously biased and can't admit this kid is just not making the best choices to put himself in the best spot for his career.

Frankly your plausible scenarios are possible but not really plausible. You don't roll a bill to put it in your wallet, pocket, bouncer etc. get realistic

I'm not that biased. I'm just not going to jump all over the guy because of a stupid picture like that one. Had the pic been him leaning over a mirror with the bill in his nose, I'd be condemning him. However, this falls far far short.

 

[2012Champs]

Wow, you are so jaded you can't even see parody when it's right in front you. Had you CLICKED THE LINK like you always suggest people do, you'd see it's called parody in the first sentence.



Yeah, too bad I use my eyes and actually look and don't take a glance and proclaim that I know what is going on. He MIGHT be rolling it up and he MIGHT be doing something else with it.

So many people are bound and determined to crucify the guy that are blinded that there
MIGHT be another explanation.

Do you know what plausible, probable and realistic mean? Some people might be so blind to defend the guy too, know any of those people?

 

[chicagotexan2]

What's a plausible scenario?

He's messing with a bill in a bathroom before he puts in his wallet or pocket. Maybe a chick gave him her digits on it. Maybe he prepping the cash to slip to a bouncer or a hot chick.

Frankly, it doesn't look like the bill is actually between his fingers since there is either a glare or something else in his hands that is white (like a lighter or something else). But he's got a bill in between his hands and he's in a bathroom, so of course he MUST be getting ready to do coke in front of all those people, like he's Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction or something.

 

[DBCooper]

Johnny 8ball!

When's he going to change his number?

Even if ole Johnny 8ball was goofing around to make that picture, it's just another point to how clueless this guy is.

Thank the gods it's the Browns!

I have the feeling this train wreck is only picking up speed.

 

[infantrycak]

Yeah, too bad I use my eyes and actually look and don't take a glance and proclaim that I know what is going on. He MIGHT be rolling it up and he MIGHT be doing something else with it.

If your eyes tell you he is holding a lighter or doing anything other than rolling, you need glasses before you attempt to use them again.

 

[Double Barrel]

Teddy Bridgewater is taking reps/studying/working.

Teddy Bridgewater obviously has serious issues when he seems unable to be a regular 22 yo athlete with lots of money. He's so lost and clueless that Norv Turner said the kid is studying film every day. Bridgewater has been so dedicated to absorbing the playbook that he just doesn't understand how to find some cocaine and loose women to live it up. And we should all feel sorry for him because he's really missing the chance to be a rich and irresponsible 22 year old. YOLO! Amirite?

 

[Marcus]

I'm not that biased. I'm just not going to jump all over the guy because of a stupid picture like that one. Had the pic been him leaning over a mirror with the bill in his nose, I'd be condemning him. However, this falls far far short.

After all the off-the-field reputation that he so skillfully crafted for himself, of which he has nobody but himself to blame . .

. . you would think . , you would think, that if this guy had any type of brain in his head, he would take the advice, of which I'm sure that he is getting plenty of, to make the best effort to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Avoid . The . Appearance.

This is where he fails. And where you fail . . . to grasp that simple concept.

 

[dc_txtech]

So has he been busted for anything other than someone taking pictures of him?

Lots of assumptions being made and anonymous sources emailing pictures to rumor sites, but what really has been proven other than people are quick to jump to conclusions from a picture they see online?

Yeah, I remember there was an online rumor about Texas Tech smearing excrement all over the ATM bus that turned out not to be true but some people jumped all over it with zero evidence.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1796028&highlight=tech#post1796028

I also remember a time when some people reported on this very site that a Tech fan "called him a n***** and told him to take a ship back to his homeland." This was in regards to Marcus Smart. Then it turned out that the fan had actually called him a "piece of crap".

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2296785&highlight=smart#post2296785

I mean there are literally thousands of things that you could use a rolled up dollar bill for in a club bathroom in Vegas. These haters just assume that he's going to be snorting something up his nose because he appears to be rolling a dollar bill up in a bathroom? Where do they come up with this stuff? What evidence do they have other than a photo clearly showing him in the act of rolling up a bill in a bathroom? This is nothing but conjecture and supposition.

Keep those posts classy and delusional Stemp.

 

[Stemp]

Yeah, I remember there was an online rumor about Texas Tech smearing excrement all over the ATM bus that turned out not to be true but some people jumped all over it with zero evidence.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1796028&highlight=tech#post1796028

I also remember a time when some people reported on this very site that a Tech fan "called him a n***** and told him to take a ship back to his homeland." This was in regards to Marcus Smart. Then it turned out that the fan had actually called him a "piece of crap".

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2296785&highlight=smart#post2296785

I mean there are literally thousands of things that you could use a rolled up dollar bill for in a club bathroom in Vegas. These haters just assume that he's going to be snorting something up his nose because he appears to be rolling a dollar bill up in a bathroom? Where do they come up with this stuff? What evidence do they have other than a photo clearly showing him in the act of rolling up a bill in a bathroom? This is nothing but conjecture and supposition.

Keep those posts classy and delusional Stemp.

Yeah... too bad the picture was actually taken in Austin before he went to Vegas.

 

[dc_txtech]

Yeah... too bad the picture was actually taken in Austin before he went to Vegas.

Lol, then he is completely absolved.

 

[Stemp]

Lol, then he is completely absolved.

No just more evidence people are quick to accept "Facts" on the internet and jump all over a guy because they want to believe the worst.

Again, yes, he's had photos of doing stupid non-illegal things that had he not been Manziel but some other football player would go pretty much unnoticed.
But because he's so popular and such a big celebrity you have people in Austin taking pictures of him in a bathroom, selecting one that makes him look like might be doing something bad, cropping it and sending it anonymously to rumor websites so it can be spread across the country for people to pile on even more.

Now he's heading to The Opening at the Nike complex. Should a picture get posted of him hanging out at a bar in Eugene, the condemnations will rain down once again. I'm sure the haters are waiting with baited breath for the next picture of him in a bathroom, or bar or nightclub so they can insist his whole life is falling apart and that he won't ever be a successful QB.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Cocaine is out of your system in ~2 days. He could take some on Friday and pass a drug test Monday.

If testers are hell-bent to thoroughly investigate whether there has been cocaine use in an individual, evading detection is now quite unlikely Cocaine can be detected in saliva by 5-10 minutes after use and up to 24 hours; in urine by 2-5 hours after use and up to 2-4 days; and now, a detection mode has been developed and refined.............in hair by 5-7 days after use and up to 90 days.

 

[dc_txtech]

No just more evidence people are quick to accept "Facts" on the internet and jump all over a guy because they want to believe the worst.


But because he's so popular and such a big celebrity you have people in Austin taking pictures of him in a bathroom, selecting one that makes him look like might be doing something bad, cropping it and sending it anonymously to rumor websites so it can be spread across the country for people to pile on even more.

The guy is tightly rolling a bill in front of a sink in a public bathroom that appears to be at a club or bar. If you can't read between the lines then you are either delusional or so sheltered that you have no idea what is clear to 98% of the population.

Unless the photo is shopped, you have a better chance with the Chewbacca Defense than the tactics you are using now.

 

[HOU-TEX]

 

[Dan B.]

If testers are hell-bent to thoroughly investigate whether there has been cocaine use in an individual, evading detection is now quite unlikely Cocaine can be detected in saliva by 5-10 minutes after use and up to 24 hours; in urine by 2-5 hours after use and up to 2-4 days; and now, a detection mode has been developed and refined.............in hair by 5-7 days after use and up to 90 days.

NFL doesn't do hair follicle testing.

http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/06/23/can-elisa-shorten-josh-gordons-suspension/

 

[Speedy]

No just more evidence people are quick to accept "Facts" on the internet and jump all over a guy because they want to believe the worst.

Again, yes, he's had photos of doing stupid non-illegal things that had he not been Manziel but some other football player would go pretty much unnoticed.
But because he's so popular and such a big celebrity you have people in Austin taking pictures of him in a bathroom, selecting one that makes him look like might be doing something bad, cropping it and sending it anonymously to rumor websites so it can be spread across the country for people to pile on even more.

Now he's heading to The Opening at the Nike complex. Should a picture get posted of him hanging out at a bar in Eugene, the condemnations will rain down once again. I'm sure the haters are waiting with baited breath for the next picture of him in a bathroom, or bar or nightclub so they can insist his whole life is falling apart and that he won't ever be a successful QB.

Is he doing coke? Who knows? What he IS doing is putting himself in that position. And in this day and age, a public figure is going to get people talking. No, he isn't "seen" doing anything illegal, but he has put himself in a position to be scrutinized by public opinion.

Maybe you are right and he's not doing anything other than being a goofball. If he parties every night, hangs out at night clubs, whatever, so be it. He certainly has that right, as we all do, and we all aren't blowing coke. If he gets his picture snapped in a restroom at a night club, who cares? But if you let yourself get your picture snapped in a restroom rolling up a bill, then a red flag has to go up whether he's doing anything or not. That's going to raise eyebrows, that's going to get people speculating and that's on him.

You can come up with a thousand excuses to counter what public opinion thinks is going on but you don't know any more than they do.

Yes, I get innocent until proven guilty but this isn't a court of law and none of us have all the facts sitting in front of us. If Manziel wants to party then so be it. If he wants people to think he doesn't do coke, then don't get your picture taken in a restroom looking like you're doing what cokers do, because the public is going to have their opinions on this public figure. That's just how it is.

 

[disaacks3]

I understood the VY threads cus he was in our division, but Manziel is in a place where QB's go to die. So who care about Manziel?

Some of it is Schadenfreude. Some of it is t.u. haterade. Some of it it is simply "we can't escape it because TMZ and ESPN will never let it go".

Teddy Bridgewater obviously has serious issues when he seems unable to be a regular 22 yo athlete with lots of money. He's so lost and clueless that Norv Turner said the kid is studying film every day. Bridgewater has been so dedicated to absorbing the playbook that he just doesn't understand how to find some cocaine and loose women to live it up. And we should all feel sorry for him because he's really missing the chance to be a rich and irresponsible 22 year old. YOLO! Amirite?

Yep, sure glad we didn't trade back into the late first for that loser. Pickspatrick is the future!

 

[Marcus]

Aw sh!t, here we go again. Another episode of the "why didn't we trade back and get Bridgewater" show. Now on Netflix.

 

[Fred]

Aw sh!t, here we go again. Another episode of the "why didn't we trade back and get Bridgewater" show. Now on Netflix.

Not on Netflix - most of the episodes will be on CBS. Sundays at noon! Starting in September. Starring Ryan Fitzpatrick (at least for a few weeks).

 

[disaacks3]

Aw sh!t, here we go again. Another episode of the "why didn't we trade back and get Bridgewater" show. Now on Netflix.

If you think Fitz is the answer, stand up and say so. Same thing if you want to proclaim any guarantees of success regarding Savage. I'll wait.

 

[TEXANRED]

YOLO! Amirite?

Wait, **** is offensive but these two words are oK? Where are the ******?

 

[Marcus]

If you think Fitz is the answer, stand up and say so. Same thing if you want to proclaim any guarantees of success regarding Savage. I'll wait.

I'm not proclaiming guarantees of success about anything.

But you apparently are.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Ted Johnson on the radio saying the picture gavee him flash backs to his drug use problems. He recalls the drugs clouding his judgement and doing things like rolling up dollar bills and doing lines in public places.

Maybe johnny wasn't doing drugs. I'm not going to out it past him though. I could absolutely see him snorting cocaine.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

NFL doesn't do hair follicle testing.

http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/06/23/can-elisa-shorten-josh-gordons-suspension/

I know that. But it is not ruled out for future testing in the CBA since it is not invasive.

 

[Dan B.]

I know that. But it is not ruled out for future testing in the CBA since it is not invasive.

Be a little ironic if Josh Gordon's agent sets the precedent and it blows back on Manziel.

 

[b0ng]

What would you tell him if he was your son?

Buy me a house right now, you owe me!