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Selection 1.1: JaDeveon Clowney DE-OLB

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NCTexan said:
Have you seen his first step?



He does need to work on his flexibility.
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having speed (at that size) doesnt necessarily mean you have fast twitch muscle fibers.

you said it yourself with that post, he needs to work on his flexibility. from what ive seen on video, he doesnt look like he has fast twitch muscle fibers.
 
Lord Bills said:
having speed (at that size) doesnt necessarily mean you have fast twitch muscle fibers.

you said it yourself with that post, he needs to work on his flexibility. from what ive seen on video, he doesnt look like he has fast twitch muscle fibers.
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Fast Twitch and flexibility are two totally different things. Just because I say he needs to work on flexibility doesn't mean I think he lacks fast twitch muscle.

I'm also not talking about his speed, I'm talking about his first step. He gets out of his stance and moving FAST. Which is was twitch muscle fibers are. He is quick.

DBCooper said:
Dammit NC, beat my first step, lol
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It's all the forum combine prep I did. I'm hoping to be drafted as a moderator soon.

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Lord Bills said:
clowney doesnt seem like he has fast twitch muscle fibers.

similar to mario williams.

athletic stiffs. kinda like oscar de la hoya and dwight howard.

everybody is almost always fast and strong in the nfl. what separates a regular football player from a allstar or all pro is fast twitch muscle fibers.
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To me, it seems that you don't know fast twitch when you see them.

The differences between Clowney and Mario are pretty dramatic when you watch them play but that's not just about the muscle fiber type.

Personally, I was not a Clowney supporter prior to the draft. BUT. One of the things I really liked about him was that he was so different than Mario. When Mario would get into the backfield quickly, he was very stiff and he seemed to have a very hard time figuring out who had the ball in most cases. At that point, he would usually become very wooden and stiff.

Clowney is completely different. When he gets into the backfield, he's like a missile going toward the ball. You don't see that stiffness. At least, I never did. So I don't know what stiffness you're talking about.

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with muscle fiber type.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
For how big Clowney is, he's not really stiff.

But....I don't think he's this really limber guy out there either.
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I wouldn't be worried about it if he was playing DE. I'd like him to be a bit more flexible for OLB, but I think he'll get there. He just wasn't asked to be that in college.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
To me, it seems that you don't know fast twitch when you see them.

The differences between Clowney and Mario are pretty dramatic when you watch them play but that's not just about the muscle fiber type.

Personally, I was not a Clowney supporter prior to the draft. BUT. One of the things I really liked about him was that he was so different than Mario. When Mario would get into the backfield quickly, he was very stiff and he seemed to have a very hard time figuring out who had the ball in most cases. At that point, he would usually become very wooden and stiff.

Clowney is completely different. When he gets into the backfield, he's like a missile going toward the ball. You don't see that stiffness. At least, I never did. So I don't know what stiffness you're talking about.

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with muscle fiber type.
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clowney is athletic. super fast for his size.

my concern is with his lack of agility, dexterity, and flexibility (with speed).

all hallmarks of fast twitch muscle fibered athletes.
 
DBCooper said:
Wait for him to tell us that he "knew" all along that JD would be great.
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Nope but I will remind you I knew all along he would be more like Aundray Bruce.

Lord Bills said:
clowney doesnt seem like he has fast twitch muscle fibers.

similar to mario williams.

athletic stiffs. kinda like oscar de la hoya and dwight howard.

everybody is almost always fast and strong in the nfl. what separates a regular football player from a allstar or all pro is fast twitch muscle fibers.
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When the NFL introduces barrels and tennis balls to the game, Clowney will be the best there ever was.
 
Lord Bills said:
clowney is athletic. super fast for his size.

my concern is with his lack of agility, dexterity, and flexibility (with speed).

all hallmarks of fast twitch muscle fibered athletes.
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I've got your fast twitch muscle fiber right here!

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Texian said:
Nope but I will remind you I knew all along he would be more like Aundray Bruce.



When the NFL introduces barrels and tennis balls to the game, Clowney will be the best there ever was.
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Clowney can only do what he's asked to do by Jim Washburn a pro DL coach . Of course nobody has done the seven bags before because of what it takes as an athlete . Try some Gold Bond on your peepee to relieve the hurt from the Texans not picking Bortles .
 
I've mentioned the "sports triad" in past threads...........hip labral tears, rectus abdominis tears [abdomen "sports hernia"], and adductor strains in NFL players have come to be formally coined the “Sports Hip Triad.”

Femoral acetabular (hip) impingement [also know as FAI now has become known to be an early developmental mismatch deformity between the ball and socket of the hip joint, which when accompanied by factors causing hip mechanical problems in compensation to things such as chronic lower limb problems of the knee, ankle and/or foot [bone spurs] ( can lead to athletic pubalgia ["sports hernia"]). Any condition, including chronic painful bone spurs as in Clowney's case, significantly adversely affecting hip mechanics puts an athlete at risk for subsequent "sports hernia" and degenerative hip problems.

It has been shown that a very high percentage of athletes that have gone on to have "sports hernia" surgery will already have undergone hip surgery, or will have subsequently required hip surgery.

Only one of several studies recognizing this strong association:
Hip Disorder Common With Sports-Related Inguinal Hernias

July 19, 2012 (Baltimore, Maryland) — Femoral acetabular impingement (FAI) is common among people with sports-related inguinal hernias, according to findings presented here at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine (AOSSM) 2012 Annual Meeting.

The study found evidence of FAI in 86% of patients who had undergone sports-related hernia repairs.

"Our study shows a high prevalence of patients with treated sports hernias have FAI," said lead investigator Kostas Economopoulos, MD, from the Department of Orthopaedics at the University of Virginia, Richmond. "These results strengthen the idea that FAI and sports hernias may be related."

Given the high prevalence, Dr. Economopoulos noted that "underlying FAI may be a cause of continued groin pain after sports hernia surgery and should be evaluated for patients who do not improve."

Although sports hernias are a common cause of groin pain in athletes, not much is known about the source of the posterior wall weakness that leads to sports hernias. Several studies have shown an association between chronic groin pain and pathology, he noted. However, none of the earlier studies have shown the specific prevalence of FAI in patients with sports hernias.

FAI is a hip condition involving a mechanical mismatch, Dr. Economopoulos explained. Either the femoral head, or ball, is out of round and/or the acetabulum in the socket extends over the ball too far, allowing for uneven wear inside the joint and leading to reduced range of motion and blocked internal rotation, which can lead to secondary damage to the joint.

FAI also can change the mechanics of gait. The changes in pelvic biomechanics may lead to increased stresses across the groin, so it is possible that athletes with underlying FAI may be more likely to develop a sports hernia because of these stresses, he said.
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Another article to further explain the association.
“If individuals have symptoms of athletic pubalgia otherwise known as sports hernia, doctors should carefully assess their hip joint to make sure there is not an underlying mechanical problem in the hip that may be the bigger problem in the overall function of the athlete,” said Bryan Kelly, M.D., co-director of the Center for Hip Preservation at Hospital for Special Surgery who led the study. “If patients present with both sports hernia and femoro-acetabular impingement symptoms, you have to consider what the order of treatment should be or whether you should just treat one.” He said the research suggests that treating the joint mechanics first is optimal and if problems persist, doctors can then try surgery for the sports hernia.
In recent years, a hip condition known as femoro-acetabular impingement (FAI) or hip impingement has become widely recognized in the medical community. The hip is a ball-and-socket joint where the upper end of the thigh bone fits into the cup-shaped socket of the pelvis. In a healthy hip joint, the ball rotates freely in the cup, but in some people a bony bump on the upper thigh bone produces a situation where there is inadequate space for the hip bone to move freely in the socket. The result is damage to the socket rim and the cartilage that lines the bones, which can lead to hip arthritis. In the past few years, doctors have thought that this condition may also cause sports hernias. A sports hernia is a tearing of the tissue that forms the inner part of the abdominal wall and inserts into the pubic bone.
To investigate how often FAI is associated with sports hernia, researchers examined the records of all professional athletes who underwent arthroscopic surgery at HSS for symptomatic FAI between April 2005 and April 2010. Patients were included if their FAI limited their ability to return to competitive play. The group, 38 in total, included nine baseball players, 13 football players, eight hockey players, five soccer players, two basketball players, and one skater. Retrospective data regarding prior athletic sports hernia surgery, ability to return to play, and duration until return to play was collected from all patients.

The investigators found that while 32 percent of the athletes had previously undergone surgery for their hernia, none of them had been able to return to their previous level of competition with the hernia surgery alone. One patient underwent hernia surgery at the same time as the FAI surgery. Thirty-nine percent of patients had hernia symptoms that resolved with FAI surgery alone and 36 of 38 patients were able to return to their previous level of play. All 12 patients that had both hernia and FAI surgery were able to return to professional competition. On average, athletes were able to return to their sport 5.9 months after arthroscopic surgery.

This is the first paper that has looked at the coincidence of FAI and sports hernia, and has practical implications for practice. “Groin pulls and lower abdominal muscle strains are frequently associated with hip joint mechanical problems, and patients should make sure that doctors are looking at both those locations as potential sources of the pain,” said Dr. Kelly, who is also in the Sports Medicine and Shoulder Service at HSS. “Before this study we knew that both impingement in the hip joint and athletic pubalgia were the cause of decreased function and pain in athletes. Now we recognize that there is a close relationship between those two, and oftentimes the problems coexist and need to be looked at when treatment options are being discussed.”
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For those of you that don't know, Bennie Joppru after multiple "sports hernia" repairs left the Texans and spent a short while with Seattle. His retirement was forced by a hip problem. And BTW, Mario Williams just recently underwent hip surgery.

I suggest that this is strong evidence to correct the probable underlying cause of Clowney's hip mechanics to avoid creation or progression of hip joint problems and associated "sports hernia." Texans/Clowney........address the bone spurs.
 
Lord Bills said:
clowney is athletic. super fast for his size.

my concern is with his lack of agility, dexterity, and flexibility (with speed).

all hallmarks of fast twitch muscle fibered athletes.
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Fast twitch muscle fibers have nothing to do with the agility, dexterity, or flexibility of an athlete.

Fast twitch muscle fiber predominance gives you explosive power; slow twitch muscle fibers give you endurance. Sprinters usually have fast twitch while marathoners usually have slow twitch. Fast twitch muscles have a greater tendency to hypertrophy than slow twitch. Some muscle fibers can be trained to be either fast OR slow twitch so depending on your approach to training, you can shift your muscles one way or the other.

In football terms, fast twitch gives you the ability to have a fast first step and a fast 10-yard dash split. There are other neural factors that either allow you to take advantage of that or not.

From everything I've seen on tape, Clowney is remarkably agile and flexible for a man his size which is different than Mario. Clowney also has a much quicker first step than Mario had which would indicate that he's probably got more of a fast-twitch predominance than Mario.

Comparing Mario to Clowney is a very good thing to do but not because they're so similar, but because Clowney is that much more athletic than Mario ever was.

You're worried about Clowney being like Mario, about him being stiff and unathletic and inflexible but that's not what I've seen in Clowney's tape.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Fast twitch muscle fibers have nothing to do with the agility, dexterity, or flexibility of an athlete.

Fast twitch muscle fiber predominance gives you explosive power; slow twitch muscle fibers give you endurance. Sprinters usually have fast twitch while marathoners usually have slow twitch. Fast twitch muscles have a greater tendency to hypertrophy than slow twitch. Some muscle fibers can be trained to be either fast OR slow twitch so depending on your approach to training, you can shift your muscles one way or the other.

In football terms, fast twitch gives you the ability to have a fast first step and a fast 10-yard dash split. There are other neural factors that either allow you to take advantage of that or not.

From everything I've seen on tape, Clowney is remarkably agile and flexible for a man his size which is different than Mario. Clowney also has a much quicker first step than Mario had which would indicate that he's probably got more of a fast-twitch predominance than Mario.

Comparing Mario to Clowney is a very good thing to do but not because they're so similar, but because Clowney is that much more athletic than Mario ever was.

You're worried about Clowney being like Mario, about him being stiff and unathletic and inflexible but that's not what I've seen in Clowney's tape.
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Can you have slow twitch and a 40" vertical ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Can you have slow twitch and a 40" vertical ?
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Everyone has slow twitch fibers and everyone has fast twitch fibers (and everyone has intermediate fibers that mimic slow or fast twitch depending on how you train them.)

You can be predominately fast twitch in your biceps and then predominately slow twitch in your triceps.

Someone with a 40" vertical has probably trained to be explosive. They are probably predominantly fast twitch in the muscle groups used in vertical jumps or they have enough of the intermediate fibers that have been trained to act as fast twitch. (The problem with the intermediate fibers is that if you don't continue to train them, they can revert to a more slow-twitch state.)

And like I said, having a predominance of fast twitch muscle fibers still don't make you extremely fast off the ball; it just gives you that possibility of being explosive off the ball. There are other neural factors besides the fiber types of the muscles involved. You have to get the signal from your brain that it's time to go.

I get a little exasperated sometimes when people like scouts over-simplify what's going on in the muscle there.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Everyone has slow twitch fibers and everyone has fast twitch fibers (and everyone has intermediate fibers that mimic slow or fast twitch depending on how you train them.)

You can be predominately fast twitch in your biceps and then predominately slow twitch in your triceps.

Someone with a 40" vertical has probably trained to be explosive. They are probably predominantly fast twitch in the muscle groups used in vertical jumps or they have enough of the intermediate fibers that have been trained to act as fast twitch. (The problem with the intermediate fibers is that if you don't continue to train them, they can revert to a more slow-twitch state.)

And like I said, having a predominance of fast twitch muscle fibers still don't make you extremely fast off the ball; it just gives you that possibility of being explosive off the ball. There are other neural factors besides the fiber types of the muscles involved. You have to get the signal from your brain that it's time to go.

I get a little exasperated sometimes when people like scouts over-simplify what's going on in the muscle there.
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Back in the day I played a bunch of basketball and remember guys who could jump high but couldn,t win a tipoff to save their life . They could jump high but it wasn't explosive . I played recreational volleyball with a guy who had a cup of coffee with the NY Jets and that dude jumped and it seemed like he never came down . Hakeem could jump twice faster then most can jump once .
 
corytx8 said:
Ok dude, you've made your point in various threads about your opinion on JDC being a bust. He is a Texan now and the nfl is different from college ball. How about letting his nfl career play out first before calling him a bust.
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Look, I' not trying to be horse's arse or a Jack Wagon, I hope I am wrong. I really do. However I have spent the last 3 years studying this guy. I have parced every word of just about every comment JC has made this year. Not just JC but his coaches and teammates as well. I have watched over a dozen JC games. Trust me, a lot of it's not good.

I don't think his 3 sacks were a fluke. After playing 3 years in the SEC, coaches figured him out and learned how to block Clowney. Coaches knew JC was a one trick pony, ears back straight line rush with an occasional stunt to the inside. That's about it. He didn't move around much, pretty much a RDE with his hand in the dirt. You just know his coaches wanted more versatility but there was very little. The only time I saw JC line up in OLB pass coverage was his bowl game and he promptly gave up a TD.

After all the hours of evaluations I can't now just take a drink of Texans Kool Aid and say Clowney will be the next Bruce Smith and become the all time sack leader. Smith had 22 sacks his JR year, more than JC had in 3. That's not a fluke either.

Just in case that I might be right, remember this, Clowney's cone and shuttle times were only average at best. Clowneys's 40 says he fast, his cone and shuttle say his change of directions skills are kind of average and ordinary. Much like the 4.30 WR, they sure can run fast but are often poor route runners because they can't change directions. You hardly ever see those sub 4.3 guys leading the league in much of anything.
 
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2015 first round Houston Texans select an OLB with fast twitch, no bone spurs with more than 3 sacks.
 
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 34s

NOTE: I'm reading into mannerisms & it's not an exact science, but Clowney wasn't comfortable talking about when the groin injury occured.
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Clowney did say the injury occured in Houston, but Bill Clinton said he "didn't have sexual relations with that woman".
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Clowney first developed a "sports hernia" in Houston, just like he first developed bone spurs in Houston.:chef:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Clowney first developed a "sports hernia" in Houston, just like he first developed bone spurs in Houston.:chef:
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Yep, Clowney's groin and spurs were a result of him signing his Texans contract, just like Ed Reed hurt his hip getting off Bob McNair's plane. On a serious note more blunders for the Houston Texans medical staff. They're developing quite a track record for missing on injuries. It's either that or Rick Smith and company are dismissing the medical findings.
 
Texian said:
Look, I' not trying to be horse's arse or a Jack Wagon, I hope I am wrong. I really do. However I have spent the last 3 years studying this guy. I have parced every word of just about every comment JC has made this year. Not just JC but his coaches and teammates as well. I have watched over a dozen JC games. Trust me, a lot of it's not good.

I don't think his 3 sacks were a fluke. After playing 3 years in the SEC, coaches figured him out and learned how to block Clowney. Coaches knew JC was a one trick pony, ears back straight line rush with an occasional stunt to the inside. That's about it. He didn't move around much, pretty much a RDE with his hand in the dirt. You just know his coaches wanted more versatility but there was very little. The only time I saw JC line up in OLB pass coverage was his bowl game and he promptly gave up a TD.

After all the hours of evaluations I can't now just take a drink of Texans Kool Aid and say Clowney will be the next Bruce Smith and become the all time sack leader. Smith had 22 sacks his JR year, more than JC had in 3. That's not a fluke either.

Just in case that I might be right, remember this, Clowney's cone and shuttle times were only average at best. Clowneys's 40 says he fast, his cone and shuttle say his change of directions skills are kind of average and ordinary. Much like the 4.30 WR, they sure can run fast but are often poor route runners because they can't change directions. You hardly ever see those sub 4.3 guys leading the league in much of anything.
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The fact that he didn't move around much should be a knock on the coaching not on Clowneys versatility. And yes the opposing coaches did figure out how to block him, they ran away from him, they used quick three step drops more and when they didn't do that they loaded up his side with extra protection. Any decent coach would of seen that and made adjustments by moving him around. Spurrier is one of the most over rated coaches In all of football. They never had as good a record under spurrier as they had while Clowney was there.
 
Texian said:
Yep, Clowney's groin and spurs were a result of him signing his Texans contract, just like Ed Reed hurt his hip getting off Bob McNair's plane. On a serious note more blunders for the Houston Texans medical staff. They're developing quite a track record for missing on injuries. It's either that or Rick Smith and company are dismissing the medical findings.
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Do you think the texans doctors were the only doctors to examin Clowney before the draft?
 
Texian said:
Yep, Clowney's groin and spurs were a result of him signing his Texans contract, just like Ed Reed hurt his hip getting off Bob McNair's plane. On a serious note more blunders for the Houston Texans medical staff. They're developing quite a track record for missing on injuries. It's either that or Rick Smith and company are dismissing the medical findings.
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You and I have been on the opposite end of this debate. But If I had known that Clowney A. wasn't going to have surgery for the bone spurs after the draft B. Had a sports hernia, then I would have been for drafting

1. Robinson
2. Bortles.

The Texans medical team stinks. Hopefully they do the right thing and tell McNair/Smith/BOB that in addition to the hernia surgery that Clowney also HAS to have the bone spurs removed. Since the Texans aren't winning the SB next yr then they should look at Clowney as a long term investment and get the surgery done NOW, or Clowney will never have the chance to be the player I believe he can become. If he doesn't have the bone spur surgery you will look like a prophet. (I'm sure like me, you hope you were wrong.)
 
mussop said:
The fact that he didn't move around much should be a knock on the coaching not on Clowneys versatility.
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It could also be that the coaching staff DID IN FACT try moving Clowney around. Coaches are a pretty smart group when it comes to Xs and Os on a football field. I can't imagine that So Caro's defensive coaches wouldn't had tried lining up Clowney everywhere along the front seven to create flexibility, versatility and uncertainty. It had to be one of the first things that came to their mind. The fact that he didn't move around, strongly suggest that he was a RDE with his hand in the dirt kind of player and not much more than that.

Sometimes the Kool Aid doesn't allow hard core, Kirby can do wrong fans the ability to consider alternate points of view. Even when thy make more sense and are more logical. Some say this is being in denial.
 
If Clowney does not play this season imo it will be one of the biggest blunders in Texans history. First pick in draft (other than QB) has to start and should start game one on this roster.
 
Texian said:
It could also be that the coaching staff DID IN FACT try moving Clowney around. Coaches are a pretty smart group when it comes to Xs and Os on a football field. I can't imagine that So Caro's defensive coaches wouldn't had tried lining up Clowney everywhere along the front seven to create flexibility, versatility and uncertainty. It had to be one of the first things that came to their mind. The fact that he didn't move around, strongly suggest that he was a RDE with his hand in the dirt kind of player and not much more than that.

Sometimes the Kool Aid doesn't allow hard core, Kirby can do wrong fans the ability to consider alternate points of view. Even when thy make more sense and are more logical. Some say this is being in denial.
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Your whole arguement against Clowney and linking him to Bruce is your assumption that JD is as dumb as Bruce .
 
Texian said:
It could also be that the coaching staff DID IN FACT try moving Clowney around. Coaches are a pretty smart group when it comes to Xs and Os on a football field. I can't imagine that So Caro's defensive coaches wouldn't had tried lining up Clowney everywhere along the front seven to create flexibility, versatility and uncertainty. It had to be one of the first things that came to their mind. The fact that he didn't move around, strongly suggest that he was a RDE with his hand in the dirt kind of player and not much more than that.

Sometimes the Kool Aid doesn't allow hard core, Kirby can do wrong fans the ability to consider alternate points of view. Even when thy make more sense and are more logical. Some say this is being in denial.
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Spurrier did move him around; quite rarely, but he did nonetheless.
I even saw him as a 34 DE.
It's quite common in college though, that some players line up mostly at just one position.
Watt, Reed, and Mercilus all lined up predominantly as a 43 RDE from my recollection.
 
Texian said:
Sometimes the Kool Aid doesn't allow hard core, Kirby can do wrong fans the ability to consider alternate points of view. Even when thy make more sense and are more logical. Some say this is being in denial.
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Forever the martyr.

For speaking da truff!

Here's your new avatar:

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Texian said:
It could also be that the coaching staff DID IN FACT try moving Clowney around. Coaches are a pretty smart group when it comes to Xs and Os on a football field. I can't imagine that So Caro's defensive coaches wouldn't had tried lining up Clowney everywhere along the front seven to create flexibility, versatility and uncertainty. It had to be one of the first things that came to their mind. The fact that he didn't move around, strongly suggest that he was a RDE with his hand in the dirt kind of player and not much more than that.

Sometimes the Kool Aid doesn't allow hard core, Kirby can do wrong fans the ability to consider alternate points of view. Even when thy make more sense and are more logical. Some say this is being in denial.
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And sometimes the butt hurt over the passing of a pick that a fan had serious man love for by his team allows his emotional attachment to that player to cause him to dream up BS scenarios as to why the unanimously more talented player who WAS actually picked will fail. This IS called denial.
 
badboy said:
If Clowney does not play this season imo it will be one of the biggest blunders in Texans history. First pick in draft (other than QB) has to start and should start game one on this roster.
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Why would he not play this season?
 
So the Texans bought a racecar (for twenty something million) at an auction and discovered it needs a tune-up. The race team mechanic then discovers that the front wheel bearings need replacing, and some of you think the team owner says, nah, let's put the car in the Indy 500?

You have lost your mind, sir
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Fast twitch muscle fibers have nothing to do with the agility, dexterity, or flexibility of an athlete.

Fast twitch muscle fiber predominance gives you explosive power; slow twitch muscle fibers give you endurance. Sprinters usually have fast twitch while marathoners usually have slow twitch. Fast twitch muscles have a greater tendency to hypertrophy than slow twitch. Some muscle fibers can be trained to be either fast OR slow twitch so depending on your approach to training, you can shift your muscles one way or the other.

In football terms, fast twitch gives you the ability to have a fast first step and a fast 10-yard dash split. There are other neural factors that either allow you to take advantage of that or not.

From everything I've seen on tape, Clowney is remarkably agile and flexible for a man his size which is different than Mario. Clowney also has a much quicker first step than Mario had which would indicate that he's probably got more of a fast-twitch predominance than Mario.

Comparing Mario to Clowney is a very good thing to do but not because they're so similar, but because Clowney is that much more athletic than Mario ever was.

You're worried about Clowney being like Mario, about him being stiff and unathletic and inflexible but that's not what I've seen in Clowney's tape.
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actually it does.

Texian said:
Look, I' not trying to be horse's arse or a Jack Wagon, I hope I am wrong. I really do. However I have spent the last 3 years studying this guy. I have parced every word of just about every comment JC has made this year. Not just JC but his coaches and teammates as well. I have watched over a dozen JC games. Trust me, a lot of it's not good.

I don't think his 3 sacks were a fluke. After playing 3 years in the SEC, coaches figured him out and learned how to block Clowney. Coaches knew JC was a one trick pony, ears back straight line rush with an occasional stunt to the inside. That's about it. He didn't move around much, pretty much a RDE with his hand in the dirt. You just know his coaches wanted more versatility but there was very little. The only time I saw JC line up in OLB pass coverage was his bowl game and he promptly gave up a TD.

After all the hours of evaluations I can't now just take a drink of Texans Kool Aid and say Clowney will be the next Bruce Smith and become the all time sack leader. Smith had 22 sacks his JR year, more than JC had in 3. That's not a fluke either.

Just in case that I might be right, remember this, Clowney's cone and shuttle times were only average at best. Clowneys's 40 says he fast, his cone and shuttle say his change of directions skills are kind of average and ordinary. Much like the 4.30 WR, they sure can run fast but are often poor route runners because they can't change directions. You hardly ever see those sub 4.3 guys leading the league in much of anything.
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this is why i wanted a QB with the first pick.

clowney has so many red flags.

i mean the guy hasnt taken an nfl snap and he's already having surgery.

He has bust written all over him.
 
Playoffs said:
Yep.

We should've drafted Bridgewater.
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Yup ... we dodged a bullet here .

"It wasn't a great day. There were things I didn't do very well, but that's part of it. It's not a two or four week process, it's a long process, a long journey."

- Blake Bortles on his poor day of practice on Thursday

By all accounts Blake Bortles struggled in the final OTA practice on Thursday, following up completing just 5-of-12 passes according to Ryan O'Halloran in Wednesday's practice.

"Average," Bortles said when asked about how he's throwing the football right now. "Definitely average."

Bortles has been up and down in OTA practices this season, which was to be expected. The Jaguars plan is to sit Bortles, for the whole season if necessary, and have him work out some of his mechanical flaws. Bortles has been humble about what he needs to work on and admitted publicly to the fact that things need to be worked on.
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http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/6...-davis-draws-praise-blake-bortles-has-a-rough
 
Playoffs said:
Yep.

We should've drafted Bridgewater.
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Teddy Bridgewater plans to wear gloves the rest of his career
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com

Back in March, Teddy Bridgewater's pro day went so poorly that the quarterback once considered the best in his class was now being talked about as a second-round pick. Never mind that pro days aren't supposed to mean much; suddenly, they meant everything, and plenty of media draft experts scurried to readjust their rankings to reflect Bridgewater's struggles in shorts and a t-shirt.

The Vikings eventually drafted Bridgewater with the last pick in the first round, and he'll get every opportunity to start as a rookie. And when he takes the field you can be assured of one thing: He'll be wearing gloves, something he did during college when he completed 71 percent of his passes as a junior, but not during his pro day, when he completed just 57 of 65 attempts.

The decision to wear gloves fascinates the media, though Bridgewater doesn't think it's a big deal.

"Man, I don't think gloves have been much of a deal like this since Michael Jackson," Bridgewater told USAToday.com. "But to this day and for the rest of my career, I'm going to continue to wear gloves."

So why didn't he wear the glove during his pro day?

“I was training down in Florida,'' Bridgewater said back in March, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "It was 80-degree weather, sunny outside, so I was letting the ball spin without the glove and I just felt confident going into the pro day. I trust my training, I'm always confident in my training, so going into competition I trust preparation. So I went back to Louisville and the weather changed, it was a little cold outside, the ball gets a little rough and I still decided to go without the glove.”

Bridgewater will wear Nike gloves engineered specifically for quarterbacks.

It feels like the ball actually — like the texture of the ball," Bridgewater said. "I guess that's why it's a perfect match for when the ball is in my hand. When the ball is in my hand, it just sticks to my hand. It feels like I'm bare-handed, but I'm not."

Kurt Warner, who wore gloves for part of his career and had great success, told Bridgewater that it was important to stick with what made him successful.

"'Wearing gloves got you where you are to this day,'" Bridgewater recounetd Warner saying. "I'm just going to continue to do that."
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Like his muscle/weight change did not have anything to do with his Pro Day flop. So now since Bridgewater's flowing locks have already been clipped, all anyone needs to do to return him to powerless and nonfunctional is to steal or switch his "lucky" gloves. I guess if that happens, in order to regain his mojo, Bridgewater can always ask David Carr to lease out a pair of his "magic" gloves for the season.:kitten:
 
how will this fanbase react if bortles, manziel, and bridgewater actually become good to great quarterbacks and clowney becomes a bust?

:toropalm:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Who cares the right thing to do was taking Clowney .
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actually the right thing to do was to pick a quarterback with the highest grade considering its the most important position in the nfl and the fact that we had atrocious quarterback play our entire history as a franchise.

not to wait until the 4th round and end up picking a quarterback who despite being in his athletic prime years, is already balding.
 
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