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Okay he makes one or two good passes then takes 2 or 3 sacks for 10 or more yards each is just poor QB play and most of his bad sacks for big losses were his fault not the OLs fault.


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There are several factors here.

Yes, we can simply look at the numbers where SI and PFF call unblocked sacks.
It is true that he did take quite a few, but the majority were on third down when a QB either makes a play or you punt the ball. I can't remember for sure, but two or three were in the first game, against a stout Chiefs front, on the road, in his first game as a starter.

He did make some mistakes in other games as well, but there was less; I don't see how people can call it regressing.

I don't have to study all the sacks; but looking at the numbers provided by PFF, the unblocked sacks were mostly committed by young QBs. (Though Romo was terrible as a veteran.)
And Romo got a big contract.

I understand that we as fans want a bad a QB.
Where do we find that guy?
OB wasn't looking for one in the last draft.
He wasn't looking for one in FA.

Think about that.

Yates made unforced errors.

Blitzing is usually done when the opponents think that they have a better overall chance to stop an offense.
It might be a weakness in the QB, the run game, the protection, the receivers, etc.

There are plenty more numbers you can look it to complement the game tape.
The number of drops by receivers for example, from Schaub to Keenum.

I mean, you can look at all the relevant stats out there.
From protection, to running game, to drops.

At the moment, I'm just saying that Keenum had done well enough to be on the roster.
Yates, not so much.
 
Texans will keep Yates over Keenum unless OB actually sees Keenum as the potential answer at QB for two reasons...

1. Yates walking in FA could net a compensatory pick next year.

2. Why keep a 3rd string QB that could cause a headache for the organization because of his local hero status? (It amuses me that some of the keenum fandom may actually cause him to be cut. That's a funny thought!)

Please elaborate.

I would hate to respond to something I don't quite understand.
 
In OTA, when there's no live bullets flying, he would have to impress a lot to counter the negative game films.

We signed Ryan Fitzpatrick to be in our QB mix. I don't think negative game film carries the weight you or I think negative game film should.
 
I just think Keenum is the better player.
I think he has a good shot of overtaking Fitz for the gig.
Can't say the same about Yates.

I think their chances of getting Andre to camp is higher if they name Case the starter going into mini-camp. They may play it out though & not name him the starter until camp. Helps the appearance of "competition."

With Case, Graham, & Newton starting, it "should" look more like a retooling to Andre, than a rebuild.
 
He (McGloin) was. Yes.
But OB had choices.
He did not try to keep guys with bigger size.
He allowed them (at least one) to transfer.

I think he also had an opportunity to get Tom Savage, but turned him down.
 
Let's start with the records first.
So you're saying that a QB with a terrible first year record should be ditched, and not even considered for the backup job?

Well, there would have been many who never made it to the HOF let alone having a starting jobs in the NFL for years.

I don't think that's what he's saying, if you're choosing between two QBs, one of them is 0-7 as a starter & the other is 3-3... You've got to look at it. Yates was on a much better team, so you have to take that into account, however that team was hit by a lot of injuries as well as Keenum's team.

That team was known for it's "next man up" mentality which Yates contributed to. Keenum's team was pretty much prone to falling apart, & Keenum contributed to that.

The ball was in Yates' hands a certain number of times with the opportunity to get the lead & win the game. He pulled it off, at least twice that I can think of, with "great" "gutsy" play.

The ball was in Keenum's hands a certain number of times with the opportunity to get the lead & win the game. He pulled it off once that I can think of, only to be failed by a fat Hobbit. The other times, the offense would move backwards.
 
I don't think that's what he's saying, if you're choosing between two QBs, one of them is 0-7 as a starter & the other is 3-3... You've got to look at it. Yates was on a much better team, so you have to take that into account, however that team was hit by a lot of injuries as well as Keenum's team.

That team was known for it's "next man up" mentality which Yates contributed to. Keenum's team was pretty much prone to falling apart, & Keenum contributed to that.

The ball was in Yates' hands a certain number of times with the opportunity to get the lead & win the game. He pulled it off, at least twice that I can think of, with "great" "gutsy" play.

The ball was in Keenum's hands a certain number of times with the opportunity to get the lead & win the game. He pulled it off once that I can think of, only to be failed by a fat Hobbit. The other times, the offense would move backwards.

Dont forget Yates also had the best RB in football there to help him.
 
Keenum didnt help by holding onto the ball and trying to make stuff happen. But to many times last season the D had already blown through the line before keenum could even take his 3 step drop. So a lot of the sacks were on the line. Just watch the film.


I did watch the film that's why I have no problem stating that Kenuum isn't starter quality. Kenuum should be and 3rd on a good team or a 2nd on a bad team. By the way I'm UofH fan and loved Kenuum in college, but I just think as a pro he just doesn't get it.


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Texans will keep Yates over Keenum unless OB actually sees Keenum as the potential answer at QB for two reasons...

1. Yates walking in FA could net a compensatory pick next year.

2. Why keep a 3rd string QB that could cause a headache for the organization because of his local hero status? (It amuses me that some of the keenum fandom may actually cause him to be cut. That's a funny thought!)

I've got to imagine Rick Smith is doing his job & is shopping both Keenum & Yates. Whoever gets the biggest nibble is probably gone.
 
I did watch the film that's why I have no problem stating that Kenuum isn't starter quality. Kenuum should be and 3rd on a good team or a 2nd on a bad team. By the way I'm UofH fan and loved Kenuum in college, but I just think as a pro he just doesn't get it.


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Well you have to take all things into consideration when evaluating him. Like no foster, an injured Ben Tate an injured Newton. Our offensive "mastermind" having a stroke. Kubiak breathing down his neck wanting to pull him first chance he gets. If you just look sat his record and sack yardage then hell yeah he sucks, but that is far from the whole story.

BTW i am a Tom Savage supporter so i am unbiased as well
 
Well you have to take all things into consideration when evaluating him. Like no foster, an injured Ben Tate an injured Newton. Our offensive "mastermind" having a stroke. Kubiak breathing down his neck wanting to pull him first chance he gets. If you just look sat his record and sack yardage then hell yeah he sucks, but that is far from the whole story.



BTW i am a Tom Savage supporter so i am unbiased as well


It's not just the sacks to me he truly looks lost at times. I think he is what he is an undrafted QB than is good enough to be a career backup nothing more nothing less.


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It's not just the sacks to me he truly looks lost at times. I think he is what he is an undrafted QB than is good enough to be a career backup nothing more nothing less.


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He does sometimes look lost, but didnt our whole team look lost more often than not last season. I think with the right coaching he could do good.
 
I've got to imagine Rick Smith is doing his job & is shopping both Keenum & Yates. Whoever gets the biggest nibble is probably gone.

If Fitzpatrick is the starter, I would rather think that they would not shop the one with the biggest nibble, as they would want the best to remain in the event that the starter goes down, especially at the beginning of the season.
 
It's not just the sacks to me he truly looks lost at times. I think he is what he is an undrafted QB than is good enough to be a career backup nothing more nothing less.


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I don't know if he ever looked lost to me. I don't think he panicked under pressure. I think he was totally cognizant about making the decisions that he made & never stopped making those bad decisions.
 
If Fitzpatrick is the starter, I would rather think that they would not shop the one with the biggest nibble, as they would want the best to remain in the event that the starter goes down, especially at the beginning of the season.

Somebody thought Bortles was a top five pick. Somebody thinks Manziel is a better prospect than David Carr. Somebody thinks Blaine Gabbert has a little something/something left in the tank...

Somebody thinks we can actually get a nibble by dangling Tj/Case...

Not to be rude or anything, but just because someone else is higher on one or the other doesn't mean "we" see it the same way. Heck, they signed Fitzpatrick in the first place.
 
I believe that past performance in the Kubiak/Denver/Shanahan offense may not be directly transferable to the O'Brien/Belichick/N.E. offense. The N.E. offense requires a completely different mental capability/capacity than the Kubiak offense. It not only requires the QB to recognize what the defense is doing but the line and the receivers need to see the same thing(s) and make the right adjustments (which is why AJ needs to have his @$$ in camp but I digress...)

The guys who get to stay are those who demonstrate they can read the defense the quickest and make the right counter calls.

I wonder when O'Brien says they're all coming along equally if he means that all four are progressing swimmingly or that all four are equally lost.
 
I believe that past performance in the Kubiak/Denver/Shanahan offense may not be directly transferable to the O'Brien/Belichick/N.E. offense. The N.E. offense requires a completely different mental capability/capacity than the Kubiak offense. It not only requires the QB to recognize what the defense is doing but the line and the receivers need to see the same thing(s) and make the right adjustments (which is why AJ needs to have his @$$ in camp but I digress...)

The guys who get to stay are those who demonstrate they can read the defense the quickest and make the right counter calls.


I wonder when O'Brien says they're all coming along equally if he means that all four are progressing swimmingly or that all four are equally lost.

This makes me think it'll be TJ who makes the cut, not Keenum.
If anything I expect that O'Brien will err on the side of taking the QB that is more prototypical towards his system, and that would be TJ, not Keenum.
 
Wasn't Keenum in an offense in college that required that kind of LOS awareness? Yates has been in Kubiak's system since he began at NC.
 
So, we're going from open competition to potential headache?

I personally think the whole "Open Competition" talk is just that... talk. I am certain OB after watching film and evaluating players in OTA's has a pretty good idea who he plans to go with, and the "Open competition" talk is just something to placate the fans. All we know for sure is, one of the 4 will not make it to camp.
 
I personally think the whole "Open Competition" talk is just that... talk. I am certain OB after watching film and evaluating players in OTA's has a pretty good idea who he plans to go with, and the "Open competition" talk is just something to placate the fans. All we know for sure is, one of the 4 will not make it to camp.

That is all cool as far as the perception of each of the fans.
I prefer to take OB's words.
Perhaps he has seen enough to make his evaluation.
Perhaps he wants to wait until the end of this week.
Perhaps he wants to wait until after next week's mini camp.

Also - and this has nothing to do with your post - from what I gather, what Chan Gailey ran at Georgia Tech the year OB was there was a spread offense, or in another word, the concept of putting players in space.
Mostly the targets were RBs and the quick receivers that can gain yards after the catch.

He brought that concept to the Bills, with Fitz as the QB most of the time.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/6/21/3105714/buffalo-bills-offense-chan-gailey-spread

At Gà Tech, the TEs combined for 19 catches.
In Buffalo, the RBs saw many more targets than the TEs, especially in the first few years.
Still, the TEs never combined for more than 53 receptions, a far cry from the Texans.

The same thing goes for the Pats.
It was only in 2010, when they had both Gronk and Hernandez (and OB's last year there) that the TEs were featured more.
That was because they both can make plays in space, not because of the mere fact that they are TEs.

We've already heard how OB mentioned about the importance of Foster and the slot receiver.
Whether they employ a 2 TE set or not, the concept is still there.

The spread and the no huddle is right down Keenum's alley, not so with Yates.

If OB decide to go with Yates, it won't be because of his familiarity with the system or that he's a prototype QB to run the system.

That QB needs to make a decision quickly and get the ball out.

We didn't see Keenum do enough of that due partially to the WCO, more play actions, the route schemes (and of course, due to Keenum's inexperience), but the guy had done it plenty at the collegiate level.
(Just think of how many pass attempts he had taken in the spread.)

Again, OB might still decide to go with Yates.
My point here is just to lay out the background.
 
So, we're going from open competition to potential headache?

I have no doubt that he is receiving an honest assessment from the coaches. Perhaps he shows himself to be the best QB on the team... If, however, the Texans become convinced that Fitzpatrick is their best short term option and feel good about Savage's development, it would make no sense to keep Keenum as the 3rd QB. Who needs a 3rd string player to create controversy with fans, media, etc... And potentially within the locker room if the team doesn't see him as the present or the future. Yates is certainly a competent 3 and will be a free agent after the season- meaning no dead money and the potential for a late round compensatory pick when he signs elsewhere.
 
I have no doubt that he is receiving an honest assessment from the coaches. Perhaps he shows himself to be the best QB on the team... If, however, the Texans become convinced that Fitzpatrick is their best short term option and feel good about Savage's development, it would make no sense to keep Keenum as the 3rd QB. Who needs a 3rd string player to create controversy with fans, media, etc... And potentially within the locker room if the team doesn't see him as the present or the future. Yates is certainly a competent 3 and will be a free agent after the season- meaning no dead money and the potential for a late round compensatory pick when he signs elsewhere.

There's no dead money with Keenum next year either.
With only KJ, JJo, and BR as UFAs that are worth something (and they might resign one or all of them), Yates is no guarantee for a comp pick.
Even if he does bring one, it will likely be a 7th rounder.

If they tender Keenum at the second level; it requires just $2M or they get a second rounder.

They have the choice of retaining Fitz or to draft another QB.
 
There's no dead money with Keenum next year either.
With only KJ, JJo, and BR as UFAs that are worth something (and they might resign one or all of them), Yates is no guarantee for a comp pick.
Even if he does bring one, it will likely be a 7th rounder.

If they tender Keenum at the second level; it requires just $2M or they get a second rounder.

They have the choice of retaining Fitz or to draft another QB.

That's actually pretty cool
 
Adam Wexler ‏@awexler
Fitzpatrick (broken leg) will finish w/ career high 95.3 rating (previous: 83.3), 17TD, 8INT. Also 6-5 record, 1st winning record of career
 
He was more than serviceable and I applaud the job he did starting for the Texans in 2014, but if I had to guess about Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Mallett, neither Ryan will be the Texans starting quarterback entering the 2015 season.
 
He was more than serviceable and I applaud the job he did starting for the Texans in 2014, but if I had to guess about Ryan Fitzpatrick and Ryan Mallett, neither Ryan will be the Texans starting quarterback entering the 2015 season.

That's an interesting take. So who would it be?
 
That's an interesting take. So who would it be?
Tom Savage has a golden opportunity right now. If it's not him it will be somebody new we acquire via a trade or draft in the 2015 draft. The free agent market looks slim for quarterbacks. We have to see who is potentially released though. I want to see Savage become a success story.
 
Tom Savage has a golden opportunity right now. If it's not him it will be somebody new we acquire via a trade or draft in the 2015 draft. The free agent market looks slim for quarterbacks. We have to see who is potentially released though. I want to see Savage become a success story.

So that's it for Mallet then? What did he do to show you he's not it?
 
I watched the replay several times, and as Fitzpatrick begins to run he beats the first Colts defender #91, who sticks his leg out and trips him, hitting his left leg. Very nearly a leg whip, but at the very least tripping.

No flag.
 
A positive is Savage getting reps. He is my QB of future

I thought he looked fine once he settled down. I don't understand the problem with the handoffs, last week, he look pretty adept at it.

If he'd have started running with the tempo that Mallett ran the offense, I'd have sht a brick. I hope his knee is ok. If I were him though I'd wear that knee brace from now on.
 
Two strange things happened this season that I never thought possible:

1. I like Ryan Fitzpatrick (not as our franchise QB, of course).

2. Yesterday, I missed Fitzpatrick out on the field. I thought we had a decent shot to win that game.

Never in the past 10 years would I have thought that I'd have much good to say about Fitzpatrick. But, the dude has a lot of heart and truly gives it his all to win games for this team. His overall talent is lacking, but not due to effort.

I think he'll be a Texans backup QB next year.
 
Man, this franchise is cursed at the QB position. Only on this team can an indestructible player as Ryan Fitzpatrick could suffer this kind of injuries.
 
Still waiting for official word. But Fitz had surgery this morning. Supposedly, his tibia was reduced and stabilized with an intramedullary rod.

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This type of fracture (tibia shaft fracture) should carry a very good prognosis for him with no expected specific performed-related problems, wherever he ends up next year.
 
I think that Mallet will give him a run for his money next year.........both will be in camp.

I'm with you, Doc...and I'll go as far as to say that nobody even comes close to taking Mallett's job next year. It won't even be close. (And this is coming from somebody who would have rather saw Matt McGloin get a shot with OB - which still might happen).
 
Still waiting for official word. But Fitz had surgery this morning. Supposedly, his tibia was reduced and stabilized with an intramedullary rod.

Tibia%20intraop.jpg




This type of fracture (tibia shaft fracture) should carry a very good prognosis for him with no expected specific performed-related problems, wherever he ends up next year.

Am I the only one that thinks this is funny as hell? With all the technology we have available to us today, is using a hammer to drive a steel rod into his leg the best we can come up with? Who thought to do this the first time? Were the doctors sitting around drinking shots of tequila when one of them spies a hammer & says "I have an idea"? Maybe I should be a little more sympathetic, but this is just too funny to me. :D
 
Am I the only one that thinks this is funny as hell? With all the technology we have available to us today, is using a hammer to drive a steel rod into his leg the best we can come up with? Who thought to do this the first time? Were the doctors sitting around drinking shots of tequila when one of them spies a hammer & says "I have an idea"? Maybe I should be a little more sympathetic, but this is just too funny to me. :D

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "Yes. Yes you are".

But the graphic did prompt a question... if that rod IS actually being driven down the center of his leg bone, what happens to the marrow in that bone?? Where is it being displaced?
 
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