kiwitexansfan
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Great article.
Happy Pickspatrick is on our team.
He's going to be a great mentor to Bortles. Or Mettenberger. Or Savage. Or Thomas.....
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Ryan Fitzpatrick visiting Texans (signs)
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Great article.
Happy Pickspatrick is on our team.
He's going to be a great mentor to Bortles. Or Mettenberger. Or Savage. Or Thomas.....
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humblegeo
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Just wondering why he has now been on 5 different NFL teams? I think I already know the answer to that one.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
People start to distrust the beard. In Houston we have no issues with it.
Are you facial hair challenged and jealous? Slap some Rogaine on those peach fuzz covered cheeks and you will no longer fear the beard, but embrace it!!! And you'll realize that shaving every day really sux, too!!Wait, I can't root for a guy with a beard. Dang, I need a new team.
HJam72
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Oh, I have a pretty good start to a beard that I need to shave right now, and I've had a mustache since I was 16/17. I know whatcha mean about getting tired of shaving. It was a joke, by the way.
My post was complete
I thought it was obvious enough to not need the smiley. 
I'm hoping this trend of wearing a beard gets as creative as it was in the 1800's. Those dudes knew how to sport a beard!!
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
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I'm hoping this trend of wearing a beard gets as creative as it was in the 1800's. Those dudes knew how to sport a beard!!
I was glad to see the porn stach make its way back into society, I wonder when woman will begin sporting their porn stach again
You're sad, sick individual....you have my pity...I was glad to see the porn stach make its way back into society, I wonder when woman will begin sporting their porn stach again
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Hate that phrase "porn-stache." Never has been enough to make me want to shave it off, though; but, it's getting to the point where you can't have any kind of mustache without a beard, or it's called a "porn-stache." Sounds like a guy has pubic hair on his face.
Na i just like the old 70s porns where the guy with his mustache goes down into the "jungle" and you cant tell what the hell is going on all you can see is his bushy eyebrows
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Fear the Beard
BullNation4Life
All Pro
Tell them, tell the unwashed masses about the magic that is upon them. Tell them about the one known as....
FITZMAGIC!
Oh they will believe.....they....will...believe....
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humblegeo
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If Fitzpatrick is not asked to perform a miracle on every play like Schaub ended up having to do then maybe he can be successful with the Texans. We got to get that running game working again too and I think they will. Using more of a tight end type offense I think Fitzpatrick might be ok till Savage is ready to make that jump from backup to starter.
Case & Tj can be ok until Savage is ready to make that jump. Expecting Fitz to be better than ok when he's never been better than ok in 9 years... may be asking a lot.
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humblegeo
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Why would the Texans have spent 4.5 million dollars guaranteed on Fritz in the first place if he wasn't any better than Keenum and Yates?? I don't understand the logic. Why do you guys think they brought in Fritz? Doesn't make any sense if they don't plan to play him.
badboy
Hall of Fame
He provides a vet presence and leadership on field. I think Texans are hoping that "ok" is enough for this season while developing Keenum and Savage. Charlie Pallilo said today on his radio show that it is very possible Texans could go 5-0. Then he said 1-4 just as easily.
I think things change. One minute, they're thinking one thing. The next minute, they're thinking something else.
We were paying Sage Rosenfels $3M to be the back up to a guy we just gave $8M to prove he could play in this league after he proved 4 years running that he could not. Once we ran that $8M zero out of town, the Texans went & got a $7M/yr guy to start ahead of the $3M/yr dude.
$4.5M (8 years later) for a back up is not unheard of.
So for all I know, he was brought in to be the back up.
We were not going to give the job to Keenum, we were going to make sure he had someone to beat other than Tj & a 4th round rookie to get the starting job.
But the plan was probably always to carry two QBs. Keenum, Fitz, & a 6th round pick (to undrafted FA) on the practice squad. But OB fell in love with Savage & used a 4th on him instead, so now he's got to make the roster, leaving no room for Fitz.
If Keenum returns, then we've got basically the same offense we had last year plus Su'a-filo.... it's not a rebuild, as far as Andre is concerned. We make him happy, he comes back being the team guy he's always been.
But we're rebuilding the defense.
Very good insurance policy. BO'B doesn't have any loyalty to Yates or Keenum. Why not get a vet with extensive NFL experience when you aren't really sure about the two incumbents? Guaranteed money is the only thing that counts in the NFL, btw. $4,000,000.00 is that number.
The Pencil Neck
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The way his contract is structured, it's a 1-year deal. We'd take a hit if we cut him this year but if we cut him next year, we gain cap space.
He's coming in as a back-up and because of his high football intelligence, as another coach in the QB room. He's a guy that can help get Savage ready or even help TJ/Case, if they need it. He's a guy that's been around and seen several systems.
4 million out of 130-140 million is really not that much. IIRC, he counts about as much against the cap as Jake Locker does.
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dalemurphy
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Fitzpatrick is smart, mentally tough, and a good athlete with an NFL arm and release. Looking over his career, I would argue that his poor TD/Int. ratio is likely due to being consistently on bad teams. I don't know that he has been on a well-coached team yet. If he can be coached out of a few habits, I am optimistic that he will have a career year this year and next (depending on the development of Savage). I would not be surprised to see him hit the following marks:
62-64% completion
4000+ yards
2 to 1 TD/Int ratio
and a top 10 QB in YPA.
We will see.
62-64% completion
4000+ yards
2 to 1 TD/Int ratio
and a top 10 QB in YPA.
We will see.
If he can cut down on the turnovers; but that's the million-dollar question.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/258360/titans-sign-ryan-fitzpatrick-to-two-year-deal
Why is it that the Titans released him after just one year of a two-yr contract?
Sure sounds like they thought of him as a one-yr rental?!?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
How many QBs can you think of with such a long consistent history of poor TD to INT ratio that ever turned it around, no matter who the coach was?
Dan Fouts didn't raise his AYA to a good level until his sixth year; ditto for the TD/INT ratio.
CloakNNNdagger
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Well, good. Then Fitzpatrick has less than a 100:1 chance of reaching that goal in his 10th season.
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Fired the old HC & old OC & his pet backup QB.
New HC & new OC wanted his own pet cheaper backup -- Charlie Whitehurst -- as they drafted a QB.
If the Titans let him go, then chances are he's a pretty good QB.
I'm skeptical of the move myself. They chose Charlie Whitehurst in lieu of Fitz, who like you said was already under contract.
They've got a new HC, but didn't draft a guy until the 6th... makes you wonder.
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infantrycak
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Rich Gannon & Brad Johnson both generally sucked and are known essentially for single or few year stretches in the middle of careers of mediocrity.
Fitz is a strange case. He has a lot of starts but I view him more as a backup who has fallen into the starts rather than ever really having been a starting QB and TD/INT is a flaky thing to judge for backups. Having said that, I hope like hell someone beats him out because to me the reasonable expectation for him is a marginal gain over last year's Schaub and nothing approaching pre-injury Schaub.
My thoughts exactly. I will add, the bar is low. I think they set the bar low on purpose. If Tj/Case can't beat out Fitzpatrick, imo they don't belong on an NFL roster, damn sure not the Houston Texans.
badboy
Hall of Fame
SO Texans guarantee $4.5 million to a player they think TJ and or Keenum will beat out? Seems like a lot for a QB who has played in a "similar" offense to be a backup.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I totally agree.......as long as it truly turns out to be an "open competition.".........and I would say that a tie should go preferentially to Case/TJ
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
First, which offense did Fitzpatrick play in that was similar?
Second... we paid Sage to come in to be the back up for $3M back in 2006. A $1.5M increase in nine seasons isn't crazy. Starters not on their rookie contract get $6 or more. Heck, the Vikings signed Sage to a two year $9M deal after trading a 4th round pick for him to back up Tavaris Jackson.
The Jets signed Vick to a one year $5M deal. What are their expectations of Michael Vick?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Plummer had 2 years out of 10 that could be considered decent TD/INT numbers.............and he reverted the following year in both cases.
http://www.nfl.com/player/jakeplummer/2502499/profile
Don't know how I messed up the link on that.
So, question's still the same. Do you think he qualifies? Sure, he reverted back to who he is, but I'm hoping (if Fitzpatrick does start) that's the kind of improvement we see. Plummer went from a mistake prone gamer in Arizona to a fairly consistent, passable starter under Gary Kubiak.
I'm pretty sure there are very few people out there thinking we've got a Tom Brady/Kurt Warner (who also didn't play well for the Giants) on our roster. Well, there are the Case fans.
I'm hoping we can find a suitable replacement for Matt Schaub. I know the haters out there think it should be fairly easy, I'm not so sure. While we "wasted our time" with Schaub, the Jags & Titans have been playing musical QB & have been chasing us for the division.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
4.5 mil doesn't seem like a lot of money for a vet back up qb.
And I don't know who will win the qb battle but I do believe we will have good qb play next season.
And I don't know who will win the qb battle but I do believe we will have good qb play next season.
Dash
Noob
Also something he noted while on that subject:
Greg Cosell: "I don't know this for a fact but they took Tom Savage in the 4th round. But knowing what I know about Bill O'Brien, it wouldn't surprise me if Tom Savage were first, second or third on his board for this year's QB class. Now again I don't know that but it just wouldn't surprise and I guarantee that he looks at Tom Savage as a starting quality NFL QB down the road".
drs23
Veteran
Remember what they paid Reed to be a "mentor."
Plus Private Jet Fuel and red carpet rental...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Don't know how I messed up the link on that.
So, question's still the same. Do you think he qualifies? Sure, he reverted back to who he is, but I'm hoping (if Fitzpatrick does start) that's the kind of improvement we see. Plummer went from a mistake prone gamer in Arizona to a fairly consistent, passable starter under Gary Kubiak.
He did have 2 of 4 decent years with Kubiak, but as a quad unit it was definitely inconsistent.
Rockville
Load Up
It was actually only 3 seasons with him, as Kubiak was here in 2006. I believe Dennison was the OC in Denver that season, which probably means it was really Shanahan calling plays. Denver drafted Cutler who became the starter at some point in 2006. I always thought it was Kubiak's best coaching of a QB not named Elway. Sorry starting to ramble.
Who else that was out there with a higher bar than Fitz, just want to know.
I don't follow FA closely.
drs23
Veteran
76 has a good question. My opinion is they set the bar low with whatever FA QB they signed. Every one of them are bottom feeder, bouncing around the league, roster spot holders. The Texans didn't have a premier choice available even if they could have afforded him, which I don't think they could.
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Nobody who was available. McCown signed for more money on 3/12, Cassel with Vikings on 3/7 for more money; FitzMagic was released 3/14. Overall poor FA QB class.
Vick, Whitehurst, Campbell, Clemons, Anderson, Jackson, Freeman, Flynn...
There was nothing stopping us from signing Cassel. The date we signed Fitz has nothing to do with nothing
The date we got rid of Schaub probably has more relevance.
I'd have liked Cassel due to his familiarity with "the system" not that he is necessarily better than Fitz, but I would think he would be harder to beat out of the starting job.
Vick has also won a bunch of games, including in the playoffs (long time ago) but he would also be a harder out than Fitzpatrick.
& I'm hard headed... surely a QB guru can make something decent out of Josh Freeman. I thought Kubiak would have been all over him.
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