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Savage winning the starting job would be the best thing for this franchise, tbh.
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Originally Posted by CorpusTexan
Ya, I guess Peyton Manning and his 3-13 first season and Troy Aikmans 0-11 season meant they weren't the guys for the job too. Or Drew brees 2-9 his second year or Eli Manning 1-6 his first year. Hell, even Joe Montana was 2-6 in his first two year! Geez
Orignally posted by Dream_Team
Are you really comparing 1st round draft picks vs a UDFA?
Originally post by humblegeo
Fitzpatrick, and Savage...Keenum got his shot last year and couldn't produce a win in 8 games. A big part of why we went 2-14. Undafted free agent Quarterback that might get another shot somewhere else but not here, I've seen enough of him and Yates too! Time for a fresh start with all new players at the quarterback position. Between the three of them last year they couldn't produce but 2 wins. Enough said.
Are you really comparing 1st round draft picks vs a UDFA?
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I want Keenum to start. I want the Texans to win a Super Bowl. I want $100B.
I think Keenum is going to start. I think McNair believes in him, I think Rick Smith believes in him. I think it would be good for the city of Houston, the fans, & of course ticket sales.
I think OB agreed to give him a fair shot, not that it was conditional of getting the job or anything. But I think anyone can watch last year's games & know we'd have won a lot more if we had Su'a-filo playing in place of Wade Smith.
Yeah, Newton playing ole' style pass pro didn't help, but not being able to convert 3&short, 4th&short, or score TDs in the red zone is what really killed us.
...the fanbase wants a retread failure to play the most important position in the nfl.
that's on kubiak.
i seem to remember the great matt schaub also have trouble with blitzes.
that's on kubiak.
i seem to remember the great matt schaub also have trouble with blitzes.
The kid should carry his fair share of blame. If it's one guy, that's his guy, & he should be able to compensate. On a percentage basis, he was behind a "solid" offensive line for more snaps than he was behind a porous OL. He had a good pocket to throw from more, way more often than not.
He, like you, should understand the need to get better. Thankfully he's going to get an opportunity to show that he has indeed gotten better. Regardless what you, I, or anyone here thinks.
So it really makes no sense to belabor the point. You know it's going to happen, I know it's going to happen.... let them go on & on, keep giving them the rope they need. Then come week 9 when we're 6-3 and they're all, "I knew it. I never doubted Case. blah, blah, blah" you & I can sit back & laugh.
I'd offer to share a beer with you, but for some reason I think that's illegal.
people are actually clamoring for ryan fitzpatrick to start??????
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:kubepalm::wadepalm::vincepalm:
& people wonder why dre doesnt want to be here?
this is why we will never win a superbowl. instead of rooting to see if keenum can actually do it under the evaluation and tutelage of obrien or going with a rookie who could be something, the fanbase wants a retread failure to play the most important position in the nfl.
I seriously hope you guys think about why you are a fan of the texans and football in general.
KEENUM DID NOT GET A FAIR SHAKE LAST YEAR.
Although i like Keenum a lot and want him to succeed i truly think Savage will start, and i believe he wont disappoint.
I can zip the knife in quick and deep! Does that count?
Fitzpatrick, and Savage...Keenum got his shot last year and couldn't produce a win in 8 games. A big part of why we went 2-14. Undafted free agent Quarterback that might get another shot somewhere else but not here, I've seen enough of him and Yates too! Time for a fresh start with all new players at the quarterback position. Between the three of them last year they couldn't produce but 2 wins. Enough said.
I want Yates to get a shot , but it will be fitz starting.
Keenum on practice squad since he is the only one with eligibility
Savage will be inactive on game days till needed
Keenum is not practice squad eligible and most likely would not make it through waivers anyway so they wouldn't try even if he was.
What does this even mean? Of course I am! Compare CK's stats to their first years and let me know what you come up with. You're the type that blows off someone because of their starting year with a **** team, yet all of the QB's shown have overcome adversity after their first year or two. You don't see potential then fine. But don't sit here and act like he was given a fair chance. You're on some good stuff if you do.
I don't really care who starts this season.
As long as OB feels that guy gives us the best chance of winning.
Right now OB gets a pass on his decisions - at least till we see how the team performs with this coaching staff.
Whomever plays QB the best (by the end of preseason, taking into account strength of opponents--ie, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd string).
Hopefully, that will be somebody that can actually win a game or two in the regular season...
You joke but if we could upload Schaub's experience in Savage's body, we might just have something...In that case bring Schaub back. He won 2 games for us last year.
You joke but if we could upload Schaub's experience in Savage's body, we might just have something...
Schaub's main problem was lack of arm strength; that shouldn't be an issue with Savage. Savage's problem is inexperience. Schaub has the experience but has a bad wheel and an average arm (some say not even that)
After all the beating he took about that over the years I thought it was funny in the last game when he chucked one 63 yds in the air without using a mortar trajectory or hauling back to give it his all.
But on your main point, absolutely. You could say the same even more so if you could brain transplant from Schaub to Carr.
When you get your opportunity in the NFL you have to make the most of it especially when your an UDFA. Did Keenum with his 8 starts in the NFL? I think he did the best he could do. He got his shot. We all know the results. Couldnt make it happen. Sorry UH fans but it really is time to move on and give someone else their shot.
Fitzpatrick to start and Savage to take over mid to late season.
Yeah, I'm with Thorn.
This is a little too early to call for me. I want to see how quickly everyone picks up this offense. I want this to be a true competition and let the best man win and I don't care who that best man is.
If it's Fitzpatrick, I'll be OK with that. He's had issues in the past and he's a journeyman but if our defense is stout enough, we could win with him.
If it's Keenum, I'll be pretty psyched. I'm a UH grad and it would be awesome for the hometown boy to rise to the occasion.
If it's Yates, I'd be OK with that. I really liked the moxy and desire he showed when we limped into the playoffs with him.
If it's Savage, I'd be worried but also, I'd be OK. In the past, rookie QBs were always horrible no matter how well they developed and since that's what I grew up with, I always expect a rookie QB to be crap. So. I'd give up hope of a winning season and hope for the best. OTOH, rookie QBs have started to do remarkably well since Roethlisberger went 15-1. Maybe OB can work some magic with this kid, too. I'd be scared going into that first game, though.
Ya, nothing you said logically makes sense. Just because he's a UDFA that was thrown into a ****ty situation. Wait, he blows cause he couldn't pick up the blitz packages? Yep, the line wasn't complete ****. So if he was coached up and learned to react to the blitz better he'd still be worthless? It's like you didn't even watch him play. You're an instant gratification kinda guy. You don't use reason or logic. So why is okay for those I mentioned to start horrendously yet it's not okay for an UDFA who obviously showed he's got the skill but needs the TEAM and experience / coaching to back it up. Also, to think that everyone that voted for CK is a UofH fan boy is ridiculous. He's got the most votes for a reason.
That's a tough question because it asks who you "want" starting the 2014 season not who you think "will" start the 2014 season. I'll have to clarify my answer.
I "want" Keenum to start in 2014 because that will mean that OB thinks he's the best option (and that's really the only answer, "Whoever OB thinks gives us the best chance to win") and it will mean that he beat Fitz out of the job. It will also mean that the high points of his 2013 campaign might have been a sign of things to come and that we might get some exciting QB play this year. I want Keenum to start because I like the guy, think he's got some talent, and would like to believe that a lot of what went wrong last year during his tenure as starter wasn't entirely his fault.
Taking my Cougar Red Homer Glasses off now.....
I expect Fitz to start and I don't even know if Keenum will make it out of training camp but he's as likely to be our #2 as Yates, maybe more likely so fingers crossed for Case to hang on one more year. I expect the Texans to win games in 2014 with defense and a running game mostly. I expect Savage to sit most if not all of the year. I expect Yates to get beat out of the backup job by Case but I don't think it's a sure thing. He's closer to the size QB that OB likes.
None of this matters if Mallet gets traded for or we pick up another cast-off QB that OB likes better than either Case or Yates. The only two guys who are set right now are Fitz and Savage.
That's a tough question because it asks who you "want" starting the 2014 season not who you think "will" start the 2014 season. I'll have to clarify my answer.
I "want" Keenum to start in 2014 because that will mean that OB thinks he's the best option (and that's really the only answer, "Whoever OB thinks gives us the best chance to win") and it will mean that he beat Fitz out of the job. It will also mean that the high points of his 2013 campaign might have been a sign of things to come and that we might get some exciting QB play this year. I want Keenum to start because I like the guy, think he's got some talent, and would like to believe that a lot of what went wrong last year during his tenure as starter wasn't entirely his fault.
Taking my Cougar Red Homer Glasses off now.....
I expect Fitz to start and I don't even know if Keenum will make it out of training camp but he's as likely to be our #2 as Yates, maybe more likely so fingers crossed for Case to hang on one more year. I expect the Texans to win games in 2014 with defense and a running game mostly. I expect Savage to sit most if not all of the year. I expect Yates to get beat out of the backup job by Case but I don't think it's a sure thing. He's closer to the size QB that OB likes.
None of this matters if Mallet gets traded for or we pick up another cast-off QB that OB likes better than either Case or Yates. The only two guys who are set right now are Fitz and Savage.