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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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so wat did Denver get for trading away the WR Brandon harris I think was his name

could we get a similar deal from CLE or any other WR hungry team


either way IF andre hates losing if he ends up on another team he would never know how it would end up there
 
I don't know what else to say, other than the guys who are saying AJ needs to STFU because he makes a lot of money can ram it up their ass.
 
Vance87 said:
I don't know what else to say, other than the guys who are saying AJ needs to STFU because he makes a lot of money can ram it up their ass.
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That's a homophobic slur. You should be fined and suspended from your job and sent to sensitivity training like the guy from the Dolphins was.
 
It would be tough to say goodbye, but by the time we have a Super Bowl caliber QB again, AJ will be retired anyway. It's better to get something of value while he's still a 1,500 yard threat than to wait until we have to give him away to some sucker team like the Bills did to us with Moulds.
 
he prob will end up with the Patriots cus that seems to be the #1 des for Old vet WR chasing a ring
 
Norg said:
he prob will end up with the Patriots cus that seems to be the #1 des for Old vet WR chasing a ring
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The Patriots haven't signed a good vet WR since they signed Moss and Welker that year. Belicheck only goes after the trash at wideout and midgets in the slot. BB doesn't want to sign guys to a lot of money, so he'd never take on this contract. He believes purely in their system of being able to plug sub par players in their offense as long as Brady is there. It's a big reason why they have lost those big playoff games. They really don't address certain positions the right way.
 
And I haven't had the time to go through 10 pages, but several posters owe Mussop an apology for acting like a jackass to him when he never stated that this was even factual information.
 
Lord Bills said:
Im telling you right now,

if andre johnson leaves you can blame that on this years draft where they did not really address the most glaring weakness of the team:

the quarterback.

They had a chance to get the pick of the litter but waited until the 4th round and they got some dude that's already balding.

I mean i dont blame dre at all, he has restructured his contract several times and what thanks does dre get?

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallet
Tom Savage

The texans had the first overall pick in every round yet they wait till the 4th round. Why would you wait that long to pick a player in a position that is the most glaring weakness on your team?

It just reeks of stupidity and i dont blame dre one bit for not wanting to be part of it anymore.
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The pick of the litter this year at QB sucked donkey balls (no offense to donkeys).

AJ is still the best receiver on this team and more than average in the NFL, unless we can trade or sign someone better, we ride him into the sunset.
 
I lost a lot of respect for AJ after these comments. I mean come on in all reality we have not lost that much to this team. Hell he is the one who said Keenum had that it factor about him and he's still here. Foster will be back next season we had a damn good draft.

Whoever starts at QB will have to really try hard to play as bad as Schaub did last season anyways. So things can only get better. So wipe your tears and enjoy making your millions and millions of dollars.

Oh and dont go 12 years being the perfect model athlete and then when you start to get a little pepper grey in the stach try to become that old grouchy bastard down the road.
 
b0ng said:
Well maybe if you could ball like him, you could show him how to act (laffo) like a pro and I'm sure you wouldn't have any ego whatsoever with how you conducted yourself.

People who bring up how much a particular athlete makes whenever said athlete makes a statement they don't like are a special kind of stupid and seem like they have no actual awareness of what goes on outside of their personal little bubble. There's no point in bringing up how much Andre Johnson makes when discussing comments he's made to the media because it is a strawman argument that sounds like you just want to rail against all those "overpaid athletes".
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I don't think he's overpaid, but I think he's incredibly well paid, and he's been incredibly well paid ever since he came here in 2003, and it was obviously compensation terms that he and the Texans mutually agreed to
multiple times over the years. That's why he never became a free agent, he was too well paid here to make a change. And bringing up what he makes is what it's all about because he's frustrated that he's stuck with a
loser right now but too greedy to leave the money on the table and walk away. It's just human nature, and he's just as human as the next guy.
 
DocBar said:
If the Texans graded this years' QB's as closely as reported, I'm more than happy that they waited until the 4th round to pick one.

Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you need to draft one with a high draft pick just because you need one.

Draft position doesn't equate to success.

If all of the QB prospects grade out to the 4th round on your board, taking one in the 2nd isn't going to improve his chances of being successful in the NFL. It just means you passed on a different player that did have a better chance.

I'll freely admit that I would've moved back up in the 3rd and taken McCarron...
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& McCarron was there in the 5th. We got Nix in the third. The Browns took Manziel in the 1st.

I agree with you, that draft position doesn't equal success, but I also feel that draft position isn't always conducive with grade. My opinion, is that too many QBs in this draft had that early 2nd round grade, you just had to know several of them would be available in the later rounds. If we had a fifth round pick, I'm certain we'd have waited till 5-1 to pick a QB.

But just like Mallet was taken in the third, with a 1st round grade, it's possible that Savage had a 2nd round grade & we got him in the 4th, hence the value.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
And hopefully one day you'll have the nuts to respond to this ------> http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2280358&postcount=961.

Not holding my breath, however.
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You mean when you had an atomic meltdown and went crazy? :scarygirl:

I figured you would have wanted that thread to die and never get brought up again there bud.

For the record, you were one of Kubiak's biggest supporters for years and would curse at all types of people who criticized the guy. Everyone knows that. Your behavior has never changed. When you don't like something you start kicking and screaming and cursing relentlessly. And when Kubiak used to get criticized, you typically went nuts the same way you are in this thread as usual.

In other words, water is wet. :winky:
 
EllisUnit said:
I lost a lot of respect for AJ after these comments. I mean come on in all reality we have not lost that much to this team. Hell he is the one who said Keenum had that it factor about him and he's still here. Foster will be back next season we had a damn good draft.

Whoever starts at QB will have to really try hard to play as bad as Schaub did last season anyways. So things can only get better. So wipe your tears and enjoy making your millions and millions of dollars.

Oh and dont go 12 years being the perfect model athlete and then when you start to get a little pepper grey in the stach try to become that old grouchy bastard down the road.
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AJ has earned the right to say whatever is on his mind. There is no other man on this earth who has put more blood, sweat, and tears into being a Texans wide receiver and getting so little in return.
 
I don't think anything in his contract guarantees him a winning season every year.

BTW, weren't we in the playoffs 2 of the past 3 years?
 
Vance87 said:
AJ has earned the right to say whatever is on his mind. There is no other man on this earth who has put more blood, sweat, and tears into being a Texans wide receiver and getting so little in return.
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So little in return ? Are you serious...... I'm 150% sure he got more $$$$ in return than the work he put into it. No doubt he has been a hard worker but come on now....... Only thing he hasnt gotten is a superbowl ring.
 
EllisUnit said:
I lost a lot of respect for AJ after these comments. I mean come on in all reality we have not lost that much to this team. Hell he is the one who said Keenum had that it factor about him and he's still here. Foster will be back next season we had a damn good draft.

Whoever starts at QB will have to really try hard to play as bad as Schaub did last season anyways. So things can only get better. So wipe your tears and enjoy making your millions and millions of dollars.

Oh and dont go 12 years being the perfect model athlete and then when you start to get a little pepper grey in the stach try to become that old grouchy bastard down the road.
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I love AJ, and I think (just me) that he wants to take care of the business side.
I don't blame him; the Texans do need to guarantee more, if not all of the remaining of his contract.

In my thinking, he's been around long enough, and have seen guys getting cut left and right.
What if he gets injured this year? Is he going to be purged like O.D.?

If the Texans want AJ to retire a Texan, they just need to take care of him as best as they can.
I don't think AJ is an unreasonable person.
But it's business, just the way the owners want it.
 
DocBar said:
I mean, we have DHop, Posey ( still not sure of him with the Achilles injury), Martin and Bonner. Does BO'B really feel confident going with that group?
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You're forgetting Alec Lemon, Doc, who happens to be Syracuse's all time leader in receptions. Who also blew it up in the last preseason with 8 receptions, 89 yards, 11.1 avg, 1 TD.

If anyone could be our Victor Cruz it would be Lemon. The guy just separates.

...and not Andy Cruse, Mike Thomas, Rico Richardson (wtf?), Uzoma Nwachukwu (The other Texans' WRs you forgot to mention.) ;)
 
EVOLVIST said:
You're forgetting Alec Lemon, Doc, who happens to be Syracuse's all time leader in receptions. Who also blew it up in the last preseason with 8 receptions, 89 yards, 11.1 avg, 1 TD.

If anyone could be our Victor Cruz it would be Lemon. The guy just separates.

...and not Andy Cruse, Mike Thomas, Rico Richardson (wtf?), Uzoma Nwachukwu (The other Texans' WRs you forgot to mention.) ;)
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I see what you're saying, but I think the team soured on Lemon. Just saying.
 
Vance87 said:
AJ has earned the right to say whatever is on his mind. There is no other man on this earth who has put more blood, sweat, and tears into being a Texans wide receiver and getting so little in return.
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And here I thought he was doing what he was getting paid to do. It's called being a professional.


Sent from the future...
 
Not about to read 18 pages of this junk, but to all of you that were trashing Mussop, maybe you should ALL own up to it.

No one owes it to anyone to share that stuff, but he did, and yall trashed him for it. That's not how you get inside scoops in the future FYI. I'm sorry for all of them Mussop.
 
I love Andre but realistically,

If we trade him we have to eat like 12 million. Maybe a cap expert can help me with this but that's my understanding.

We aren't going to get much for him with the contract he has and the age he is at. Maybe a 3rd round pick? Nobody wants to take on that contract for a 32 year old and give up multiple picks.

So we take a 12 million dollar hit and give up one of our best players for a future draft pick?

I don't see it happening. I think Andre is going to be here regardless.
 
Goatcheese said:
It would be tough to say goodbye, but by the time we have a Super Bowl caliber QB again, AJ will be retired anyway. It's better to get something of value while he's still a 1,500 yard threat than to wait until we have to give him away to some sucker team like the Bills did to us with Moulds.
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Right here is an example of "all business".
Goat has the "right" to think about the long-term "success" of the team.
At the same time, one can't blame some of the deserving players like AJ for thinking that they are treating like commodities (a piece of meat).
How do you find a balance rests on the shoulder of the GM - my thinking.
This is where the GM proves his worth.
 
TexansFTW said:
Not about to read 18 pages of this junk, but to all of you that were trashing Mussop, maybe you should ALL own up to it.

No one owes it to anyone to share that stuff, but he did, and yall trashed him for it. That's not how you get inside scoops in the future FYI. I'm sorry for all of them Mussop.
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For those who want to remain anonymous, you may apologize through a comment that you are able to give while repping a post.
 
76Texan said:
I love AJ, and I think (just me) that he wants to take care of the business side.
I don't blame him; the Texans do need to guarantee more, if not all of the remaining of his contract.

In my thinking, he's been around long enough, and have seen guys getting cut left and right.
What if he gets injured this year? Is he going to be purged like O.D.?

If the Texans want AJ to retire a Texan, they just need to take care of him as best as they can.
I don't think AJ is an unreasonable person.
But it's business, just the way the owners want it.
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I do not see McNair guaranteeing anything. AJ has a very good contract and should earn at least the next two years. If injured and cannot play (risk players take) he at minimum gets a buy out. Like another poster said a few pages back, O'Brien and McNair should convince AJ there will be significant improvement in record this season and possible play off through wild card if nothing else. To other issue posted elsewhere, AJ did agree to restructure which in fact guarantee him millions he would not otherwise have gotten as quickly. He made a bit of interest $ off those "sacrifices" which was teams way of saying they appreciated him.
 
dc_txtech said:
I love Andre but realistically,

If we trade him we have to eat like 12 million. Maybe a cap expert can help me with this but that's my understanding.

We aren't going to get much for him with the contract he has and the age he is at. Maybe a 3rd round pick? Nobody wants to take on that contract for a 32 year old and give up multiple picks.

So we take a 12 million dollar hit and give up one of our best players for a future draft pick?

I don't see it happening. I think Andre is going to be here regardless.
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That's how I understand this whole thing as well. Which means, since we are up against the cap already we would have to cut players already under contract just to get rid of him.
 
DocBar said:
Fair enough, even if you do overestimate your ability to effectively communicate the tone of your comments online.

Where in Cali are you? I've been in SoCal for the last 18 months. You California guys could use more than a few lessons in manners and showing respect. Especially where the ladies are concerned. I open a door for a lady and say yes ma'am a couple of times, she damn near throws her panties at me. On second thought, don't change a thing. :handshake:

derail over.
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Just got back from OC a couple of hours ago.
It's in the high 90s there and a cool 60s here in H-town.
What the hell is going on, dude?
 
Joining the party late ... soo how many "screw Dre, if he leaves I hope he ruptures his ACL cuz Im da bestest Texan fan everrrr" posts?
 
76Texan said:
Just got back from OC a couple of hours ago.
It's in the high 90s there and a cool 60s here in H-town.
What the hell is going on, dude?
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I've spent the last year in El Centro, so yeah...
Finishing up a 170MW solar power plant. Total waste of time.
 
dc_txtech said:
I love Andre but realistically,

If we trade him we have to eat like 12 million. Maybe a cap expert can help me with this but that's my understanding.
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I heard or read somewhere that cutting or trading him this off season would actually save the Texans 3.6M or somesuch. Take it FWIW. I don't vouch for the veracity of said claim.
 
I'm not really worried at all about this, regardless how it turns out. Most likely he'll be here unless he retires.. and by the slim chance he isn't, we need to accept the fact that day is coming sooner rather than later anyway. Houston is going to have to face life after Dre eventually.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I'm not really worried at all about this, regardless how it turns out. Most likely he'll be here unless he retires.. and by the slim chance he isn't, we need to except the fact that day is coming sooner rather than later anyway. Houston is going to have to face life after Dre eventually.
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It would be nice to get him into the HOG though.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I'm not really worried at all about this, regardless how it turns out. Most likely he'll be here unless he retires.. and by the slim chance he isn't, we need to except the fact that day is coming sooner rather than later anyway. Houston is going to have to face life after Dre eventually.
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/ENd Thread...


Exactly!!

CB, I would worry more about hardcore Texans fans/ Tailgaters that echo AJ's thoughts whether they come to fruition or not. I'll be there at "Blue Crew" unless I retire.
:D

Blue Crew is going to someday accept life without Texan_Bill and that day is coming sooner rather than later.

Again :D !!!
 
TexansFTW said:
That's how I understand this whole thing as well. Which means, since we are up against the cap already we would have to cut players already under contract just to get rid of him.
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If he plays out the season, his cap hit is $15,644,583. If he's traded or cut, the dead money cap hit is $11,964,166. So, yes, it's a big dead money hit, but it also provides cap relief in the amount of $3,680,417. That's how much the Texans would have to sign AJ's replacement. No players would have to be cut.

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