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2014 NFL Draft Thread

kiwitexansfan said:
If we trade for Mallet, isn't he our QB of the future.

He's got another 10 years in him hasn't he?
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No, no, no. Didn't you see what that Apple guy said? No offense next year! No offense EVER! It's over! I haven't had time to whip up a "Hitler in his bunker realizes the Texans didn't get Johnny Football OR Teddy Bridgewater" video yet so just imagine how it would go.

That's where we are right now.
 
Hervoyel said:
Please, that's stupid. How many games we win in 2014 won't be decided by who we pick in this draft. It will come down to how many of the players we already have who we thought were players actually bounce back from 2014 under OB and perform well.
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No its not stupid. It doesn't matter how many other players bounce back when Ryan Fitz is going to be the best QB on the roster. Because the Texans wouldn't give up a 6th round pick to move up enough to get a QB who could have been better. THAT'S stupid.
 
htownfan32 said:
We're done. 6 wins or less.
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I wanted nothing to do with Clowney. I don't understand his lack of production, nor do I understand how he can fit in with Watt in Crennel's defense.

That being said, I can't imagine one draft pick determining whether the team can win games or not the following season... That is, unless they took a QB at 1.1... The clearest signal that this team would be in for a losing season would be if it committed to a rookie QB (leading to lots of growing pains). Even if Clowney is as bad as I fear, he doesn't preclude the team from having a good season. Similarly, missing out on a single player doesn't eliminate the possibility of success. This is the ultimate team sport.
 
The1ApplePie said:
McNair won't take him. PR implosion waiting to happen. Unless he wants more fans to bleed over to the Cowboys and Saints (and Browns now apparently)
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Especially w Browns having VY and JFF on their roster now. Oh and fan favorite Ben Tate.
 
TexanSam said:
And college QBs are known quantities?
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We have more tape on how Bridgewater and Manziel play right NOW than we do about Mallett right now. I don't know what Mallett is like at all right now. Maybe Bill O'Brien has more faith in him, but I don't really feel all that great about entrusting a guy traded for a 3rd round pick with the future of the franchise.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
So didn't that jagoff nick wright of 610 am make bet that bridgewater would be a first rounder. He stands to lose thousands if tb falls to the second round. That would be hilarious.
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Wasn't it something like $30,000.........and at one time near the beginning of his venue here in Houston, he said that he had been treated for gambling addiction........and had since begged off?
 
TexanSam said:
The only bad thing Derek Carr has going against him is his last name. If BOB thinks he's the guy then so be it. I'm not gonna judge the guy because his brother is David Carr.
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Well I don't need to see daddy Carr hovering over practice like he did with davey boy.
 
htownfan32 said:
:mariopalm:
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How many games did the 2013 draft picks win us in 2013? Did the season hinge on their performance?

How about the 2012 picks? Were they solely responsible for all the success of 2012?

Jeez people, it's a process. There's free agents, there's draft picks, UDFA's, and then more free agents. This team didn't get a rookie QB in round one and it's a disaster? ****ing idiotic.
 
htownfan32 said:
We have more tape on how Bridgewater and Manziel play right NOW than we do about Mallett right now. I don't know what Mallett is like at all right now. Maybe Bill O'Brien has more faith in him, but I don't really feel all that great about entrusting a guy traded for a 3rd round pick with the future of the franchise.
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Actually we know what Mallet has done in real NFL games. He has completed 5 passes. 2 of those five were completed to defenders. One of them was a Texan.
 
PapaL said:
Theres a rumored trade in place, our 5th for Mallet.

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I'm happy w Mallet for our 5th and Nix at 2.1; comparison to Casey Hampton.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014lnix.php
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The Texans are going to get a lot of great trade offers for 2.1... They will trade down unless they absolutely love the player there. Given that they didn't trade up to get a guy towards the end of round one, I'm guessing they aren't in love with anyone at 33 and will trade down tomorrow...

Regarding Mallett, if we traded our 5th, even if a conditional pick in 2015 was attached to it, I would be happy with that deal.
 
Hervoyel said:
How many games did the 2013 draft picks win us in 2013? Did the season hinge on their performance?

How about the 2012 picks? Were they solely responsible for all the success of 2012?

Jeez people, it's a process. There's free agents, there's draft picks, UDFA's, and then more free agents. This team didn't get a rookie QB in round one and it's a disaster? ****ing idiotic.
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Oh wow, were any of those picks quarterbacks? All that proves is that a QB's impact on the game > any skill position player's. Any quarterback either improves or worsens your chance of winning by a significant margin.
 
The Texans didn't get a 1st round QB....

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gtexan02 said:
Maybe you've forgotten that Schaub isn't here anymore. He can't bounce back. Even if we have a top 10 defense and a great supporting cast Fitzpatrick isn't going to take you to the playoffs. Keenum is terrible - we saw that last year.

A first round QB who could come in a provide a spark could've had an incredible impact on our win total this year.
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Put your pacifier back in. What makes you so sure Bridgewater would be taken tomorrow even if he were still available?

Typical knee jerk bullsh!t. Let the rest of the draft play out.
 
eriadoc said:
Nix is the guy I've been hoping for at 2.1 for a while. I've been wanting the Texans to take a real NT since Seth Payne blew out his knee in the Superdome.
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It would be sweet to see him drafted at 2-1. I'm now in the take somebody like that at 2-1 and then see how the second round plays out. 2-1 is liable to be traded back though with all the talent still out there.
 
dalemurphy said:
The Texans are going to get a lot of great trade offers for 2.1... They will trade down unless they absolutely love the player there. Given that they didn't trade up to get a guy towards the end of round one, I'm guessing they aren't in love with anyone at 33 and will trade down tomorrow....
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I thought the same about 1:1

Maybe I didn't love Clowney they way the Texans did though.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
The Texans didn't get a 1st round QB....
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That's really not the issue. My problem is that the only guy I would seriously consider around this point onwards as a viable QB of the future other than Derek Carr is Mettenberger and he was positive for 4/20yoloblazing before the biggest interview of his life.
 
gtexan02 said:
Epitomy of the loser mentality that has permeated this franchise since its inception.

No need to win now, let's just keep sucking forever and getting great prospects with our high draft picks. Just keep drafting BPA and eventually we'll be a winner, right?

You can't build through the draft if you ignore the most important player on the team. We won't win 8 games with Fitz and Case. I'm not willing to wait until 2015 when you think we'll "stalk a QB."

Sometimes you have to take a risk. A late 1st rounder on a potential franchise QB is not that big of a gamble. Instead we've essentially locked ourselves into trotting out a journeyman QB for an entire year. No potential upside in Fitz or Keenum. We've seen them. They're terrible
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Exactly. I'm not a fan of Teddy to be honest with you, but I mean hell, the Vikings are a team with arguably more holes than the Texans and have a new coach as well. They aren't drafting scared and sitting pat. What angers me is the sheer fact that the Texans seemingly aren't trying here. The Vikings and Browns are making the effort to win now despite being a worse team. It's frustrating.

I'd be happy with Teddy at 1.28 ish because at least that shows me the Texans are not scared. They are.
 
Hervoyel said:
How many games did the 2013 draft picks win us in 2013? Did the season hinge on their performance?

How about the 2012 picks? Were they solely responsible for all the success of 2012?

Jeez people, it's a process. There's free agents, there's draft picks, UDFA's, and then more free agents. This team didn't get a rookie QB in round one and it's a disaster? ****ing idiotic.
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Shh, logic and reason isn't welcome around these parts! Irrational fandom is the only thought process allowed!
 
Hervoyel said:
How many games did the 2013 draft picks win us in 2013? Did the season hinge on their performance?

How about the 2012 picks? Were they solely responsible for all the success of 2012?

Jeez people, it's a process. There's free agents, there's draft picks, UDFA's, and then more free agents. This team didn't get a rookie QB in round one and it's a disaster? ****ing idiotic.
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How many games did Luck win the Colts in his rookie year? To pretend that QBs can't directly impact games is the idiotic thing.

Here's a new signature for you. "Houston Texans: We'll get 'em next year!"

Hope our 2015 QB you intend to stalk is good. I'd love to get back to the playoffs eventually
 
I think we pick Nix or Tuitt or trade down just a bit enough to draft one of mentioned prospects. I would prefer the Texans to stay put and draft Nix DT which position we are really in need. But I won't complain if we pick Tuitt. If the BOB wants Mallett, offer 3rd pick to NE and see what happens.
 
The Mallet rumors should have made their intentions clear. Bortles was their guy if he dropped (due to connections with staff). I bet the trade becomes official soon.
 
Marcus said:
Put your pacifier back in. What makes you so sure Bridgewater would be taken tomorrow even if he were still available?

Typical knee jerk bullsh!t. Let the rest of the draft play out.
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There's no chance the Texans would have taken Bridgewater.

As soon as Minnesota got near a deal, Seattle had to have been on the phone with us offering the same deal. If we wanted Bridgewater, we would have taken it.
 
BetaV1 said:
Exactly. I'm not a fan of Teddy to be honest with you, but I mean hell, the Vikings are a team with arguably more holes than the Texans and have a new coach as well. They aren't drafting scared and sitting pat. What angers me is the sheer fact that the Texans seemingly aren't trying here. The Vikings and Browns are making the effort to win now despite being a worse team. It's frustrating.

I'd be happy with Teddy at 1.28 ish because at least that shows me the Texans are not scared. They are.
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Or maybe it shows that they didn't want Teddy..
 
htownfan32 said:
Oh wow, were any of those picks quarterbacks? All that proves is that a QB's impact on the game > any skill position player's. Any quarterback either improves or worsens your chance of winning by a significant margin.
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We have QB's and we're not out of time to get another one. It's not like the market in QB's closed tonight.

If the OB regime thought they needed a QB they'd have taken steps to get one. and they were clearly not worried about it. No trade back up into the first round was made and for good reason. Didn't see what they wanted. They're either serious about Mallet or they have a guy targeted in the second that they're fine with.

I realize the folly of that kind of thinking when our season is lost per many fans expert opinions but hey, that's just how I interpret the events of this evening.
 
Our pass rush and ability to stop the run has sucked balls. We can address that in this draft by taking the two highest ranked players at their position. I take Nix, line him up next to Watt and Clowney, and smile as the AFC South tries to adjust.

Yes we still have needs at QB and RT. I'm aware.
 
Reminds of when everybody was so sure Arthur Brown was the pick last year and the Ravens "stole" him away.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Worse QBs than Pickspatrick have won the Superbowl.

Let's see how the rest of the draft and free agency play out.
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Recently? Like who?

In the last 10 years I see...
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
Brady x2
Peyton
Eli x2
Roethlisberger
Brees
Rogers

There isn't a guy in there that I would even put in the same time zone as Fitzpatrick. Flacco is probably the worst and he's somehow turned into a playoff monster.
 
Hervoyel said:
We have QB's and we're not out of time to get another one. It's not like the market in QB's closed tonight.

If the OB regime thought they needed a QB they'd have taken steps to get one. and they were clearly not worried about it. No trade back up into the first round was made and for good reason. Didn't see what they wanted. They're either serious about Mallet or they have a guy targeted in the second that they're fine with.

I realize the folly of that kind of thinking when our season is lost per many fans expert opinions but hey, that's just how I interpret the events of this evening.
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That, or they stayed pat and got shafted by the Vikes. I like your optimism but I'm not gonna have enough faith in Rick Smith and say this was all part of the plan.
 
TexCanada said:
Or maybe it shows that they didn't want Teddy..
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Hmm...

Scenario A: Trade 2.1 and 4.1 to get to move up one spot to take Bridgewater.
Scenario B: Think that's too much of a risk. Best sit back and play it safe.

I think the track record makes it clear which scenario happened.
 
PapaL said:
Our pass rush and ability to stop the run has sucked balls. We can address that in this draft by taking the two highest ranked players at their position. I take Nix, line him up next to Watt and Clowney, and smile as the AFC South tries to adjust.

Yes we still have needs at QB and RT. I'm aware.
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Yeah well now that Bridgewater is gone we better take Nix or Hageman. No QB worth 2-1 and if we're going in on the defense might as well build a wall of badasses.
 
Hervoyel said:
We have QB's and we're not out of time to get another one. It's not like the market in QB's closed tonight.

If the OB regime thought they needed a QB they'd have taken steps to get one. and they were clearly not worried about it. No trade back up into the first round was made and for good reason. Didn't see what they wanted. They're either serious about Mallet or they have a guy targeted in the second that they're fine with.

I realize the folly of that kind of thinking when our season is lost per many fans expert opinions but hey, that's just how I interpret the events of this evening.
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And you don't think it's possible we intended to trade up to get Manziel only to have Cle jump in before we could?
Or that we thought TB would be there at 2-1 only to have Minny jump us?

Minnesota wouldn't have traded into 1-32 unless they knew the Texans were a high probability to draft him at 2-1

You're giving BOB/Smith credit where we have no evidence he deserves it. It's possible they believed they could get TB at 2-1 and blew it. A calculated risk that they lost
 
I don't think the Texans will take a QB with their 2nd round pick as it stands tomorrow. I would like to see them draft a NT and solve that enormous, no pun intended, hole. Definitely need linebackers since we can't really rely on Cushing being healthy through out the season anymore. I think if they do draft a QB, it'll be in the 3rd or 4th round. Can't say I'm excited about the upcoming season as it stands.
 
Hervoyel said:
How many games did the 2013 draft picks win us in 2013? Did the season hinge on their performance?

How about the 2012 picks? Were they solely responsible for all the success of 2012?

Jeez people, it's a process. There's free agents, there's draft picks, UDFA's, and then more free agents. This team didn't get a rookie QB in round one and it's a disaster? ****ing idiotic.
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Gotta agree with everything Herv is saying.

I'm not a big Clowney guy, it's well documented, but we did get a supremely talented player at a position that's weak in this draft. Attoachu is the only OLB left that any good IMO (see Philly reaching for Marcus Smith). So that worked out assuming Clowney works hard and his bone spur problem is fixed via surgery.

The QBs were iffy in this draft and we avoided them, it's not a big deal IMO. There are great players at positions of need available for us with the 2.1 pick, particularly Nix or Tuitt.

I'm happy right now, I don't know why everyone is tripping out.
 
Nawzer said:
I don't think the Texans will take a QB with their 2nd round pick as it stands tomorrow. I would like to see them draft a NT and solve that enormous, no pun intended, hole. Definitely need linebackers since we can't really rely on Cushing being healthy through out the season anymore. I think if they do draft a QB, it'll be in the 3rd or 4th round. Can't say I'm excited about the upcoming season as it stands.
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Agree.

With some space and time between tonight's crap to clear my head...

This is a long term re-build, no matter what Uncle McNair says. Go hard on the defense. Draft Nix, and then draft Skov or Bullough or another good ILB and let's build a fearsome front 7.
 
The only time I've ever felt like we won a day 1 of the draft was last year when every WR we wanted fell in our lap and we did nothing to earn it. Rick Smith probably thought he was safe and could get Teddy, I don't trust him at all.
 
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