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thunderkyss said:
There's a difference between having the final say on the 53 man roster & Rick Smith controlling the draft. They've got to work together, it doesn't make sense for Smith to draft a guy that O'Brien hasn't bought off on, but whether we take a QB with that first pick, trade down, or take Clowney, that's Rick Smith's decision.
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The Bottom Line: When the Texans are on the clock, it's Bill O'Brien's call.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Many of those after more than 5 seconds to throw the ball.......not in the NFL.
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Not mush different than Bridgewater on that note, but with higher completion percentage. I just pray he can avoid the rush that long without the body strength (or body type) of Culpepper. The scariest part is neither Bridgewater or Bortles have Manziel's arm, which isn't a cannon to begin with.

badboy said:
answers above. I thought McAaron had the best Oline? I have said he needs to improve but so does every other player. JM did do better in 2013.
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With arguably a worse line, far worse defense and without the element of surprise he might have had year 1. Eff it, he's just a scrawny me-first type who has no hope of success.

DocBar said:
LOL...the dude has been...lucky. I don't see him as being the next Manning or Montana. I see him as good, not great. Not much wow there, imo.
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If you're setting the bar higher than Luck, then you'll be waiting a long time. Can you name a QB drafted in the last 10 years who meets your standard?
 
Johnny McClain is all...

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John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
I better not get in @NFLCharean Williams way when J Football comes out.

Manziel is changing into shorts and t shirt in a tent and no, @ChronBrianSmith isn't helping him. I don't think. Brian? Where's Brian?

Check out @ChronBrianSmith whose reason for living the next two days is recording everything that happens with Johnny Football.

Players are doing a charity appearance with kids before meeting with media.

Word's spreading among media here that Manziel is going to Jacksonville at 3.

Johnny's here! You'd think it was John, Paul, George and Ringo based on reaction at Chelsea Waterside Park.
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bah007 said:
He didn't need it in college much either. But that didn't stop him from waiting way longer than that far too frequently.



Don't buy this argument at all. It just reads like an excuse.



His offense breaks down because he doesn't play within it. He had one of the best (probably the best) pass blocking lines in the entire country. They gave him huge amounts of time to scan the field and get rid of the ball. And he waits until the very last moment far too often. He is also spooked by phantom pressure more than any other guy I've ever scouted.
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Must also spread the rep!
 
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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I am a true Texans fan, but I am in agreement with this. I had no problem with the VY fans at Reliant either. I think VY would have continued to be successful if he put the effort Manziel puts in and had a proper support system. Luckily for the Texans, he cracked. If not, we'd be seeing loss after loss to Tennessee.

And for those calling me a Manzielot. I'll own it. Heck yeah, I'm a Johnny sunshine pumper. I will eat crow if I'm wrong, but in this case... I'm not. Texans will rue the day if they don't take Manziel.
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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You're s'posed to wait until after we don't get him to say this stuff. :fingergun:
 
Say Watt said:
...an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack...
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Cannot agree with you on Dr. CND, my man.

He's one of the best members on TexansTalk.
 
Anyone that roots against their own team because of personnel decisions is not a freakin' fanatic for their team. That is the very definition of fair-weather fan, like it or not.

I understand disappointment, but I will never understand the nature of betrayal. It is akin to screwing around on your wife because she didn't buy the sexy dress you like. And yeah, being a sports fanatic is a deep personal commitment like marriage. Don't get caught up in the metaphor. It's not a marriage, but the commitment and devotion is very similar.

Where are all those VY nut huggers and their bandwagon jerseys today? Buying Browns gear? What bunch of chumps.
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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Do you post in the football sections much? CnD is
about the farthest thing from a jerk that I can think of.

agproducer said:
I am a true Texans fan, but I am in agreement with this. I had no problem with the VY fans at Reliant either. I think VY would have continued to be successful if he put the effort Manziel puts in and had a proper support system. Luckily for the Texans, he cracked. If not, we'd be seeing loss after loss to Tennessee.

And for those calling me a Manzielot. I'll own it. Heck yeah, I'm a Johnny sunshine pumper. I will eat crow if I'm wrong, but in this case... I'm not. Texans will rue the day if they don't take Manziel.
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:vincepalm:
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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As someone who would be very excited to see what Manziel (or Clowney or Mack or Bortles) could do if we drafted him I find this totally distasteful. If your love for a single player (who hasn't played a down yet in the NFL) supersedes your love for the team you root for to the point that you would become so bitter towards said team for passing on your guy that you would take pleasure in it's suffering.... it just doesn't compute to me. He could bust, any of these guys could bust. Or all of them could be great. Get over yourself man.
 
Double Barrel said:
Anyone that roots against their own team because of personnel decisions is not a freakin' fanatic for their team. That is the very definition of fair-weather fan, like it or not.

I understand disappointment, but I will never understand the nature of betrayal. It is akin to screwing around on your wife because she didn't buy the sexy dress you like. And yeah, being a sports fanatic is a deep personal commitment like marriage. Don't get caught up in the metaphor. It's not a marriage, but the commitment and devotion is very similar.

Where are all those VY nut huggers and their bandwagon jerseys today? Buying Browns gear? What bunch of chumps.
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I remember Mattress Mac pulling his advertising when the Texans didn't draft Vince Young...:vincepalm:
 
Double Barrel said:
Anyone that roots against their own team because of personnel decisions is not a freakin' fanatic for their team. That is the very definition of fair-weather fan, like it or not.

I understand disappointment, but I will never understand the nature of betrayal. It is akin to screwing around on your wife because she didn't buy the sexy dress you like. And yeah, being a sports fanatic is a deep personal commitment like marriage. Don't get caught up in the metaphor. It's not a marriage, but the commitment and devotion is very similar.

Where are all those VY nut huggers and their bandwagon jerseys today? Buying Browns gear? What bunch of chumps.
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When I was much much younger I was much like the fan you describe. It didn't matter who the team signed as a coach or a player I was all in. I just knew that this no matter what this was going to make the team so much better. After many years of wearing the rose colored glasses and drinking the kool aid I started to become more and more skeptical. This along with watching this game for many decades I learned and became a lot smarter about the many aspects of this game.

I observed what worked and what didn't work. I have witnessed a ton of good decisions and even more BAD decisions. I have a good memory. This along with the fact that I owned my own business, made payroll, manged all the rules, regulations and million dollar budgets. This gave me a much better understanding of business and administration. So forgive me if today I don't follow or meet your fan expectations. I think I have earned the right. I have found that my skepticism is right much more often than going all in. I have also found that going all in on every decision the team makes, for me, can be an exercise in futility. It is now very hard for me to go all in when I know that reality is sending a completely different message.

So today when the team hires a coach, drafts/signs a player or makes a decision I don't agree with, the best I got is, Geez, I hope I am wrong.
 
Texian said:
When I was much much younger I was much like the fan you describe. It didn't matter who the team signed as a coach or a player I was all in. I just knew that this no matter what this was going to make the team so much better. After many years of wearing the rose colored glasses and drinking the kool aid I started to become more and more skeptical. This along with watching this game for many decades I learned and became a lot smarter about the many aspects of this game.

I observed what worked and what didn't work. I have witnessed a ton of good decisions and even more BAD decisions. I have a good memory. This along with the fact that I owned my own business, made payroll, manged all the rules, regulations and million dollar budgets. This gave me a much better understanding of business and administration. So forgive me if today I don't follow or meet your fan expectations. I think I have earned the right. I have found that my skepticism is right much more often than going all in. I have also found that going all in on every decision the team makes, for me, can be an exercise in futility. It is now very hard for me to go all in when I know that reality is sending a completely different message.

So today when the team hires a coach, drafts/signs a player or makes a decision I don't agree with, the best I got is, Geez, I hope I am wrong.
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It's not about "meeting my expectations". Don't be goofy about it.

It is about the DEFINITION of the concept of fanatic: "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal"

And get over your own perception of self-importance as a fan.

Football is ENTERTAINMENT. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to try to put more importance in your life over an endeavor that you have no control, input, influence, or whatever, be my guest.

I've been part of running a company for 35 years now, so your rant about running a business is pointless. My company is directly impacted by my actions.

My team, 'eh, not so much.

So go ahead and pout and whine because you perceive that you have "earned some phantom right" as a fan. Go ahead and abandon this franchise as a fan because you didn't get your way. I could not give a shit. I'll be here as a Texans fan, through thick and thin, and while I might not agree with every decision or even be enthusiastic about things, and I might even be extremely cynical, jaded, sarcastic, bitter, disappointed, and/or pessimistic about things sometimes, I still keep all of it in perspective THAT IT IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT!!!

They play, I watch. I have no delusions about this arrangement. Perhaps you should indulge yourself with that reality check, as well.

Btw, I'm not advocating blindly optimistic koolaid drinking. Criticize all you want. That's what sports talk and this forum is all about. I'm far from a shiny, happy fan.

Just don't tell me that you can root against your team and be a fanatic for that team at the same time. That's just bullshit pretzel logic.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's not about "meeting my expectations". Don't be goofy about it.

It is about the DEFINITION of the concept of fanatic: "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal"

And get over your own perception of self-importance as a fan.

Football is ENTERTAINMENT. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to try to put more importance in your life over an endeavor that you have no control, input, influence, or whatever, be my guest.

I've been part of running a company for 35 years now, so your rant about running a business is pointless. My company is directly impacted by my actions.

My team, 'eh, not so much.

So go ahead and pout and whine because you perceive that you have "earned some phantom right" as a fan. Go ahead and abandon this franchise as a fan because you didn't get your way. I could not give a shit. I'll be here as a Texans fan, through thick and thin, and while I might not agree with every decision or even be enthusiastic about things, and I might even be extremely cynical, jaded, sarcastic, bitter, disappointed, and/or pessimistic about things sometimes, I still keep all of it in perspective THAT IT IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT!!!

They play, I watch. I have no delusions about this arrangement. Perhaps you should indulge yourself with that reality check, as well.

Btw, I'm not advocating blindly optimistic koolaid drinking. Criticize all you want. That's what sports talk and this forum is all about. I'm far from a shiny, happy fan.

Just don't tell me that you can root against your team and be a fanatic for that team at the same time. That's just bullshit pretzel logic.
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MSR.

I learned this when the Oilers left Houston, when the Astros were sent to the AL, when the Rockets and Astros decide to only show their games on cable tv.

We as fans have no say so whatsoever of what these billionaire owners decide to do. All I can do is watch when I get chance to and just like I do with movies, I turn off my brain so I can enjoy the product I'm watching.
 
Texian said:
The Bottom Line: When the Texans are on the clock, it's Bill O'Brien's call.
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Just for shts&giggles, let's say you're Rick Smith, GM of the Houston Texans. You have a job to do. You're working with Bill O'Brien, he's got final say of the 53 man roster.

Over the last three weeks he & his coaching staff have worked with you & your scouts tweaking your draft board. How many QBs are on your board? One? More than one?

Imagine that Blake Bortles is on that list, however, the Cleveland Browns offers you their 1.4, 1.26, next years 1st, Josh Gordon, & Barkevious Mingo for your #1 overall. Do you take it, or do you have to ask Bill O'Brien for his permission?
 
thunderkyss said:
Just for shts&giggles, let's say you're Rick Smith, GM of the Houston Texans. You have a job to do. You're working with Bill O'Brien, he's got final say of the 53 man roster.

Over the last three weeks he & his coaching staff have worked with you & your scouts tweaking your draft board. How many QBs are on your board? One? More than one?

Imagine that Blake Bortles is on that list, however, the Cleveland Browns offers you their 1.4, 1.26, next years 1st, Josh Gordon, & Barkevious Mingo for your #1 overall. Do you take it, or do you have to ask Bill O'Brien for his permission?
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Check this out

Smith has a lot of fond memories of his first seven drafts. In the first round on Thursday, there won't be hand-wringing in the team's war room like during the 2008 draft.

Offensive tackle Duane Brown of Virginia Tech wasn't projected as a first-round pick by many. Smith, who had the 18th overall pick, took a chance by trading down with Baltimore (26th overall) to acquire third- and sixth-round picks.

Coach Gary Kubiak, who desperately wanted Brown, almost blew a gasket. Seven offensive tackles were selected before the Texans got Brown.

"I think that was the most exciting time in our draft room," Smith said. "We needed a left tackle. We were pretty in tune with that draft and had a good idea there would be seven tackles taken. We were at 18. Five had been taken at that point.

"Baltimore wanted to come up and take (quarterback Joe) Flacco. We had our eye on Duane the entire time. We anticipated how they would fall, including Sam Baker to Atlanta at 21, so I made the move."

Carolina took offensive tackle Jeff Otah at 19 before the Falcons chose Baker at 21.

"There was some nervous energy in the room all the way from 19 to 25," Smith said. "Gary was so nervous that Duane was going to be gone that, at one point, he got up and went to the back of the room until we got on the clock."

San Diego picked one spot behind the Texans. Coach Norv Turner admitted later the Chargers also wanted Brown.

Smith has learned a lot about the draft since 2008.
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Sheds a lot of light on the previous regime and I wouldn't be surprised if Smith still has the authority to do this.

And BOB would b!0tchslap you for even asking permission. You just do it with that kind of deal on the table.
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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Color me surprised that the Aggies are starting to come out in full force just like the VY nut huggers did when they finally realized we weren't going to draft him.

You are so fanatical about Manziel that you cannot even handle other fans not liking him as much as you do.

I have no problem with that, btw. There is no rulebook for being a fan. You can cheer for whoever you want to. You are just clearly a bigger fan of Manziel than you are of the Texans.

agproducer said:
I am a true Texans fan, but I am in agreement with this. I had no problem with the VY fans at Reliant either. I think VY would have continued to be successful if he put the effort Manziel puts in and had a proper support system. Luckily for the Texans, he cracked. If not, we'd be seeing loss after loss to Tennessee.

And for those calling me a Manzielot. I'll own it. Heck yeah, I'm a Johnny sunshine pumper. I will eat crow if I'm wrong, but in this case... I'm not. Texans will rue the day if they don't take Manziel.
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And this is why your opinion on Manziel cannot be trusted. You are too emotionally invested to make a rational, logical decision about him.

Double Barrel said:
Anyone that roots against their own team because of personnel decisions is not a freakin' fanatic for their team. That is the very definition of fair-weather fan, like it or not.

I understand disappointment, but I will never understand the nature of betrayal. It is akin to screwing around on your wife because she didn't buy the sexy dress you like. And yeah, being a sports fanatic is a deep personal commitment like marriage. Don't get caught up in the metaphor. It's not a marriage, but the commitment and devotion is very similar.

Where are all those VY nut huggers and their bandwagon jerseys today? Buying Browns gear? What bunch of chumps.
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Repped. This guy gets it.
 
Chronicle's Brian T Smith (in NY for draft) on 790AM said, kinda jokingly/kinda serious, that McClain was taken off covering Manziel & Smith was going to be on JFF now.

Also said Manziel has a group of "handlers" following him everywhere, putting him where he needs to be and pulling him off in some situations. Didn't see that with any other prospect.

Says Manziel is a natural in front of the cameras, works the crowds perfectly, very polished.
 
bah007 said:
And this is why your opinion on Manziel cannot be trusted. You are too emotionally invested to make a rational, logical decision about him.
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You obviously have not read all of my posts. I want to Texans to take Manziel. I think they should do it. But, I'll be satisfied with Clowney and Bridgewater, or Mack and Garrapolo. I think Manziel is the best pick.

Being a fan of a player doesn't jade my opinion on other players. I've seen Manziel's flaws. He has deficiencies. Do I think he is the best QB option available? Yes. Do I think there are others who could do a competent job? Yes.

I just believe -- watching the was Manziel operates -- that the Texans will regret not taking him. The other draft options are good options, and I will still support the Texans.

I will always root for Manziel to do well wherever he goes. If he is in Jacksonville and lights up the Texans with 500 yards passing and 5TDs -- he's done well. But, I hope the Texans win 38-35.

I just don't want him to come back to haunt the Texans. But, when he does, it will be hard not to say, "I told you so."
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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Playoffs said:
Cannot agree with you on Dr. CND, my man.

He's one of the best members on TexansTalk.
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DocBar said:
Do you post in the football sections much? CnD is
about the farthest thing from a jerk that I can think of.

:vincepalm:
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I agree with both of you. CND is a good poster on this board, that was until his burnt orange butt hurt starting coming out in him. I have NEVER in the history of my time on this board seen him go so overboard to bash a player.

He, and others like him, act as if their word on all things Johnny Manziel is a word from god. In their minds, there is ZERO possibility that Manziel becomes a success in the NFL, and that was the purpose of my post.

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As someone who would be very excited to see what Manziel (or Clowney or Mack or Bortles) could do if we drafted him I find this totally distasteful. If your love for a single player (who hasn't played a down yet in the NFL) supersedes your love for the team you root for to the point that you would become so bitter towards said team for passing on your guy that you would take pleasure in it's suffering.... it just doesn't compute to me. He could bust, any of these guys could bust. Or all of them could be great. Get over yourself man.
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bah007 said:
Color me surprised that the Aggies are starting to come out in full force just like the VY nut huggers did when they finally realized we weren't going to draft him.

You are so fanatical about Manziel that you cannot even handle other fans not liking him as much as you do.

I have no problem with that, btw. There is no rulebook for being a fan. You can cheer for whoever you want to. You are just clearly a bigger fan of Manziel than you are of the Texans.
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You are all misunderstanding the purpose of my post. My desire is not to root against the Texans. My desire is to rub it in the faces of other Texans fans the success that Johnny Manziel might have in the NFL BECAUSE they have been so arrogant in their analysis of his future prospects.

Do I want Johnny Manziel on the Texans? Yes. Do I think he is the perfect QB prospect? No. I have many times throughout this thread talked about the areas Johnny Manziel needs to improve. I've also done my homework. I have watched every single game he has ever played, have read dozens of analysts on their thoughts on Manziel, watched the breakdown Gruden did with Manziel, and saw his improvement in many key areas at his pro day.

Unlike the anti-Manziel crowd, I have at least done my homework. Those like CND are just butt-hurt TU fans that can't handle having an Aggie succeed in the NFL. So that was why I was saying I can now understand some of what went on in the minds of the VY lovers. Perhaps some of them didn't want to root for Tennessee so much as they wanted to shove it in the face of other butt hurt Aggies and VY haters that simply couldn't handle having a player from UT drafted #1 by their beloved franchise.
 
I'm completely neutral on this a&m/ut rivalry because I went to school in a different country. As a completely impartial observer, I can state unequivocally that the hysteria from the pro-manziel faction massively outweighs the somewhat amused disdain coming from the other camp.
 
Say Watt said:
I agree with both of you. CND is a good poster on this board, that was until his burnt orange butt hurt starting coming out in him. I have NEVER in the history of my time on this board seen him go so overboard to bash a player.

He, and others like him, act as if their word on all things Johnny Manziel is a word from god. In their minds, there is ZERO possibility that Manziel becomes a success in the NFL, and that was the purpose of my post.
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Not sure what association you think the good Dr. has with t.u., but that's certainly not where he's coming from. His objections to Manziel are all fact-based and shared by many. It's definitely no stretch to worry about Manziel's potential health in an NFL that can decimate a QB who doesn't run as often and might possess a larger frame to shoulder the load.

While I may disagree with his assessment of certain players, I trust that man with my life. We won't ever all agree / disagree on here and Cloak has shown over time that his assessments are often the only contrarian ones heard...and most often correct. He's not one to sugar-coat.
 
disaacks3 said:
Not sure what association you think the good Dr. has with t.u., but that's certainly not where he's coming from. His objections to Manziel are all fact-based and shared by many. It's definitely no stretch to worry about Manziel's potential health in an NFL that can decimate a QB who doesn't run as often and might possess a larger frame to shoulder the load.

While I may disagree with his assessment of certain players, I trust that man with my life. We won't ever all agree / disagree on here and Cloak has shown over time that his assessments are often the only contrarian ones heard...and most often correct. He's not one to sugar-coat.
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That's the impression I have of him. I think CnD would have the same opinion/reservations about Johnny if he went to Manziel's first choice of UT and had an identical collegiate career. I can't say the same about some of the other folks here.
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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Because CND disagrees with you he's a jerk? How very tolerant you are of other people's opinions.

He and I disagree on JM, but he's far from the person you're painting him out to be. I like JM but not at 1-1, give me JM at 1-20. Can you see faults in JM's game or do you have so far up the Maroon sheeps butt that you cant see sunshine. See how does it for a poster to needlessly talk sh!t?
 
IMO Doc is a very solid poster, and I don't think he's a Longhorn. I'm not entirely sure but I think he's part of the Keenum Kult :fingergun:
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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Although I have watched many select UT and A&M games and players, I have never made it a priority to attend. I have never had a dog in the fight. I have gone to one UT game in my life........and none to A&M. I bleed only RED.....like most real human beings. I was NOT for VY being picked and am not for Manziel being picked......and I have stated my reasons. I insert humor in some of my posts that illustrate my feelings on subjects. When opinions are bantered around here, I expect that there are going to be disagreements. But when one finds the need to insert hateful personal comments to claim their argument, it only reveals an unfortunate underlying pathologic predisposition. "Reconsideration" would be the only word that comes to mind when dealing with such deep-seeded issues.
 
Say Watt said:
You know being on the other side of this is starting to make me understand a bit of why SOME of the VY lovers were sporting VY jerseys at Reliant. It's almost an 'f you to the jerk posters like Cloak that seem to have nothing better to do than waltz in every thread to bash Manziel. There are many others that do precisely the same thing, with Cloak leading the pack.

I'm not sure I'll wear a Jacksonville jersey but if we pass on Manziel and he goes to Jacksonville, it will be very difficult for me to not laugh in the faces of a bunch of Texans fans and cheer when Manziel leads the Jags to trounce all over the Texans.
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Jerk posters like CnD?

Just because someone doesn't share your Manzlove doesn't make them a jerk.

And you will laugh when another team beats your so-called team because of one player?

If we traded AJ tomorrow he would become the enemy.

Manzidiots
 
Double Barrel said:
It's not about "meeting my expectations". Don't be goofy about it.

It is about the DEFINITION of the concept of fanatic: "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal"

And get over your own perception of self-importance as a fan.

Football is ENTERTAINMENT. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to try to put more importance in your life over an endeavor that you have no control, input, influence, or whatever, be my guest.

I've been part of running a company for 35 years now, so your rant about running a business is pointless. My company is directly impacted by my actions.

My team, 'eh, not so much.

So go ahead and pout and whine because you perceive that you have "earned some phantom right" as a fan. Go ahead and abandon this franchise as a fan because you didn't get your way. I could not give a shit. I'll be here as a Texans fan, through thick and thin, and while I might not agree with every decision or even be enthusiastic about things, and I might even be extremely cynical, jaded, sarcastic, bitter, disappointed, and/or pessimistic about things sometimes, I still keep all of it in perspective THAT IT IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT!!!

They play, I watch. I have no delusions about this arrangement. Perhaps you should indulge yourself with that reality check, as well.

Btw, I'm not advocating blindly optimistic koolaid drinking. Criticize all you want. That's what sports talk and this forum is all about. I'm far from a shiny, happy fan.

Just don't tell me that you can root against your team and be a fanatic for that team at the same time. That's just bullshit pretzel logic.
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I'm just going to tell you that I am NOT going to be the kind of fan you expect and want people to be. I really don't care if that meets with your approval or not.
 
Texian said:
I'm just going to tell you that I am NOT going to be the kind of fan you expect and want people to be. I really don't care if that meets with your approval or not.
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lol! I could give a rat's ass what kind of fan you are. I expect nothing of you, and I will certainly not be disappointed in that regard.

psssst, the Texans will NEVER listen to your advice. Deal with it.
 
Double Barrel said:
lol! I could give a rat's ass what kind of fan you are. I expect nothing of you, and I will certainly not be disappointed in that regard.

psssst, the Texans will NEVER listen to your advice. Deal with it.
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Well then stop telling everyone what you think is an acceptable fan.
 
Double Barrel said:
Anyone that roots against their own team because of personnel decisions is not a freakin' fanatic for their team. That is the very definition of fair-weather fan, like it or not.

I understand disappointment, but I will never understand the nature of betrayal. It is akin to screwing around on your wife because she didn't buy the sexy dress you like. And yeah, being a sports fanatic is a deep personal commitment like marriage. Don't get caught up in the metaphor. It's not a marriage, but the commitment and devotion is very similar.

Where are all those VY nut huggers and their bandwagon jerseys today? Buying Browns gear? What bunch of chumps.
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Freakin Fantasy Football
 
Texian said:
Well then stop telling everyone what you think is an acceptable fan.
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When you stop telling everyone how to run a professional football team.... :listening

btw, most folks agree that you cannot be a fanatic of a team and actively root against them. Is that really hard to comprehend for YOU?

It's really a "duh, no shit" obvious thing for most of us.
 
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