What are you Gary Kubiak or something ? Why not develop some flexibility and let the one and only poster from Italy who's showed up in these parts have a thread of his own, even if it's not entirely original ?
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What are you Gary Kubiak or something ? Why not develop some flexibility and let the one and only poster from Italy who's showed up in these parts have a thread of his own, even if it's not entirely original ?
The poster being in Italy is irrelavant.
Texian
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My reading of the Tea Leaves regarding Falcons trading up is this: Dimitroff & CO likely assume there is high probability that the Texans take a QB with their first pick since they're sans QB. Snead, Fisher & CO will pass on Clowney/Mack with Long and Quinn already on the front line. Therefore Jacksonville becomes the attractive candidate for Atlanta to trade up with so the Falcons can draft Clowney or Mack. In turn, moving from #6 to #3 vs #6 to #1, saves the Falcons 800 trade value points. The equivalent of a 1st and 3rd RD pick and still getting a player they covet.
bah007
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I think Tenn will take a QB, but not in the 1st. They have too many other needs. Locker is adequate if and when he's healthy. If the top QB's slide to the late 1st or 2nd round, I could see them trading up for a QB.
Carolina could be drafting WR in every round cuz they really need some.
Carolina has the worst WR corp in the NFL right now, but their OL is also terrible. They need to come out of this draft with two starting OL and an impact WR. Not gonna be easy picking at the back of the pack.
Unless they think neither Clowney or Mack will be there at 6, I'm just not seeing it. I imagine they'd be happy with either.
I really hope this scenario plays out, then Smith trades down again for even more picks. I can see 3-4 guys I'd like at 10 or 11 that would be instant starters and impact players.
The more I watch Justin Gilbert and Ha Ha, the more I like them. This could be a need and bpa pick.
The more I watch Justin Gilbert and Ha Ha, the more I like them. This could be a need and bpa pick.
stingray
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As most would say that two division rivals wouldnt trade. But a simple trade with the jags would also make sense. The jags are more of a natural fit for clowney as they run a 4-3 defense. Mack would be more of a fit in Houston in a 3-4. The jags can send their 3rd overall pick along their 2nd and 3rd round pick. The draft chart equals to an even trade with the point system. The texans get mack and extra two early round picks and the jags get their man in clowney.
Not bad reasoning. I'm confident enough in Clowney being a
at the NFL level that I would pull the trigger on that and risk facing him twice a year.
Probably no need to trade back up
1 Atlanta - Clowney
2 STL - Robinson
3 Jax - Bortles
4 Cleveland - Watkins
5 Oakland - Matthews
6 Houston - ????
With getting that much back, I´d definetly do it. I´d be satisfied with any of the following:
Clowney
Robinson
Mack
Matthews
Watkins
Bortles
Manziel
Bridgewater
So basically I´d be alright with trading down all the way to #8. Picking up another 2nd this year and another first next year would be enough for me - getting another third rounder would be icing on the cake.
I´d take Clowney if we stay put, but there are several questions around him, so I wouldn`t hesitate to trade the pick if we really get that much in return.
That more progressive scale works with an Andrew Luck/RG3 type Draft, but without those kinda QB prospects the top picks are worth much less. I think any basis for assignment of points in a year like this is nearly random, and I would hope the Texans are so aggressively shopping their pick that they are offering trade terms just as appealing as the Rams are for their #2 overall.
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Ted Johnson ‏@Teddyjradio
Falcons Not Interested In Trading For Clowney & No. 1 Pick
Greg Robinson, OT.
Falcons Not Interested In Trading For Clowney & No. 1 Pick
Greg Robinson, OT.
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Not buying it. They visited with Clowney 3 times. Third time was a quick turn around to go see him at USC after visiting him in Atlanta.
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I am. Not the only team with Greg Robinson #1 overall.
I think that's why Rick volunteered the "can never have enough CBs and OTs" yesterday. Trying to smoke out more offers to trade up for Robinson.
Wonder if the force plate test revealed something wrong with Clowney? Still, not buying that there is or isn't a deal until the Texans are actually on the clock.
This is confusing??
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
They didnt want to pay the price to move up with the Texans.
Theyre not convinced we will select Clowney so in the event someone else is desperate enough to possiblly move with us they want to create less urgency by taking their name out of the hat. All while bargaining with the Rams who are in the cat bird seat.
That makes sense.
They all lie and never show their cards until the final minute or two on the clock. Why would you put all your chips in a week ahead of time. Media release is their version of wearing shades and shrugging their shoulders when they have a bad hand. Everybody needs to let all this stuff go in one ear and out the other. 6 more days and the fun begins, I can't wait.
Damnear every mock I've seen has the Rams taking Robinson. If the Falcons want him, the only way to get him is to trade with us.
However, if they believe we're going to take Mack & St Louis is going to take Robinson, they probably feel that Clowney will fall past Jacksonville & Cleveland.
I don't think he gets past Jacksonville, but I think it's more likely the Jags will take a QB. Probably Bridgewater, maybe Carr.
& they've probably got good reason to believe so. Something said while negotiating the trade I bet.
badboy
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So Texans may have slipped and gave unintended info to Falcons?
So NFL GM's and HC's rely on talking head/fan mock drafts to make their draft day decisions???
LOL. You know as well as I do that everything is smoke and mirrors til draft day is here. Believe none of what you hear and little of what you see. I'm thinking JFF, Robertson or take less than we think to trade back. Jmho.
I think the first five off the board in no particular order are Clowney , Robinson , Mack , Matthews & Watkins.
If Atlanta wants one of those players , they have to move up to get him.
Marshall
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I do not understand the comment of Houston being sans QB. We have three QB and, while we could improve the position, we could start the season without any additions at the position.
We are a wild card with the first pick and other teams need to know it. Assuming we will pick QB with 1-1 is an invalid assumption. I personally think Clowney, Robinson and Mack are all viable options at 1-1 as well as Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater. I'd even think Watkins might be considered as Johnsons replacement. If you want your guy, you HAVE TO go to Houston or risk us taking him first.
Marshall
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Now they've changed it back.
badboy
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I think most folks doubt the ability of Yates or Keenum to get team more than 8-8 and we know little about the new FA Fitzy so getting a solid option in this draft does make sense.
Scooter
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it's probably my own bias, but i dont know that teams would be so quick to write off keenum. o'brian fits his talents much better than kubiak as someone who can coach a wider passing offense. likewise, an early pick plus a healthy brown and foster on offense would go a long way to negating the single (but huge) knock he had last season.
the few times fitz has had healthy talent around him he's performed very well. the talent was thin and didnt last long, but he's shown he can play when even some of the pieces are in place. he'd have more all-pros at starter next season than he's had in the rest of his career combined. as someone who's battled up his whole career, he's got the mental fortitude, and with that talent i'm more than a bit curious.
yates, as much as i want to, i dont see it from. his talent is in his head, and his head seems to have taken the rosencopter route - overcompensating and trying to be more than he can.
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Something I haven't seen mentioned, the Texans have been in phase two of the off season workout program for a week, or so, now. During this phase coaches can actually evaluate the players in drills. They can also do drills as a team on a separates basis, meaning the offense can't go against the defense. Also, I believe they are limited to shorts, no pads.
Like I said, I haven't heard a word, but O'Brien has a limited opportunity to actually see what he has in Case and Yates.
Like I said, I haven't heard a word, but O'Brien has a limited opportunity to actually see what he has in Case and Yates.
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Let me be a little more clear and precise. The Texans are without a > .500 QB. Without a QB who can throw twice as many TDs as INTs. Without a QB that has a QB rating of > 80.Without a WINNING QB.
Hervoyel
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But where ? They'd do that deal with StLouis, but certainly not Seattle.
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Falcons -- subject of thread. I just can't see doing it from their end. I'd protect Matty Ice and get more bodies on defense. They need a TE now, too.
badboy
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Vet FA and a high draft pick QBs probably will eliminate Keenum getting much time. I see him starting over with O'Brien as he did with Kubiak as #3. I think Yates is cut.
Duh - yes it is ATL specific isn't it. OK, so I lost track of that for a moment.
But if the Texans are smart and they could get just those '14 picks they should jump all over it IMO. You can have Bortles, Mack, Watkins, Robinson, or Matthews and the 37th pick plus a 4th rounder. I doubt that they get a better deal than that. No way they can also get ATLs '15 first rounder.
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what if Houston would take 1-6, 2nd, 4th and 2015 2nd? Smith should not get caught up in points for points but players he could draft with a trade.
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