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Teddy Bridgewater

LikeMike said:
I am a Bridgewater guy - but right now I don`t think we will or should take him. Several scouts have him falling all the way out of the first round. Taking him with the first pick will probably be reaching by quite a margin.
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If I were a Bridgewater guy, I'd want to know why they dropping him before I change my mind about drafting him. There might be some quirk they didn't like that makes him a fit here.

Of course, there are some good reason why a player can start falling in the eyes of scouts, but If I already had my visit with him, if he's already worked out for me & I liked what I saw, I might go through my notes again, but I'll most likely stay put on what I already decided.
 
thunderkyss said:
If I were a Bridgewater guy, I'd want to know why they dropping him before I change my mind about drafting him. There might be some quirk they didn't like that makes him a fit here.

Of course, there are some good reason why a player can start falling in the eyes of scouts, but If I already had my visit with him, if he's already worked out for me & I liked what I saw, I might go through my notes again, but I'll most likely stay put on what I already decided.
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I didn`t say I don`t want him here. I know why scouts are dropping him, and I still believe in his gametape and most of all I still believe in his football intelligence and drive. And I´ve seen that he has the legs and the accuracy, except for deep balls. I wouldn´t be mad if we take him first overall - actually I´d be excited. I just don`t think his value matches up with the first pick. I mean, there is a legitimate change that he could fall to the second round - that`s not a guy I would spend a first pick on. But that`s still the guy I´d love to have on our team!
 
Bridgewater’s agent responds to report of “shaky” workouts
For starters, McGuire says that Bridgewater has had only one private workout. Which necessarily contradicts the notion that Bridgewater has had shaky workouts.

“I have a tremendous amount of respect for journalists who work in this new age of media,” McGuire said via email. “While I am certain this statement wasn’t intended to be misleading, it is my duty to remove and eliminate any doubt. Teddy has visited multiple teams with more workouts and visits coming in the near future. The assessment we received from the one workout was ‘simply amazing and sharp,’ and we expect nothing short or less than stellar in the upcoming workouts in the very near future.”

McGuire said another workout will happen today, which will be Bridgewater’s second. More workouts will come. And whatever teams say on or off the record about the prviate workouts can’t be trusted. Too much is riding on the ability of teams to get the guys they want in the draft. Jobs, in some cases, are riding on the way the draft dominoes fall.
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Like ObsiWan, I can only read this thread when I hit reply.


edit: now I can read it fine.
 
Allstar said:
Cool. Thought it was weird that it was reported we'd have Bortles and Manziel but not Bridgewater in for a visit. Even if we're not interested in him, you've got to keep up appearances.
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We aren't interested in him.

In his pro day and his private workouts so far he has shown nothing.

His game tape was average to begin with.

He may be this years Geno Smith ...
 
kingtexan said:
We aren't interested in him.

In his pro day and his private workouts so far he has shown nothing.

His game tape was average to begin with.

He may be this years Geno Smith ...
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Are you comparing their playing styles or are you just saying that he's going to fall out of the 1st round a la Smith?
 
kingtexan said:
We aren't interested in him.

In his pro day and his private workouts so far he has shown nothing.

His game tape was average to begin with.

He may be this years Geno Smith ...
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Say..... all you guys who don't want to draft Bridgewater with a top five pick (this includes myself).


If he were to go on to become a franchise QB & the guy you'd rather have, with a lower pick... not you guys who want Manziel or Bortles with a top 5 pick.. doesn't.

Say if you're a Garopollo guy, or a Murray, or whoever it is you want to take outside of the 1st round, let's say he turns into a Henne or Fitzpatrick, or a Whitehurst; good, but not good enough to be a starter.

How would you feel if Bridgewater goes on to become a franchise guy & Garoppolo/Murray/Savage becomes a journeyman back up?
 
thunderkyss said:
Say..... all you guys who don't want to draft Bridgewater with a top five pick (this includes myself).


If he were to go on to become a franchise QB & the guy you'd rather have, with a lower pick... not you guys who want Manziel or Bortles with a top 5 pick.. doesn't.

Say if you're a Garopollo guy, or a Murray, or whoever it is you want to take outside of the 1st round, let's say he turns into a Henne or Fitzpatrick, or a Whitehurst; good, but not good enough to be a starter.

How would you feel if Bridgewater goes on to become a franchise guy & Garoppolo/Murray/Savage becomes a journeyman back up?
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Hey. Nobody's perfect.

But seriously, OF the QBs, I expect Bridgewater to end up as a mid-level starter... stats-wise. He's the kind of guy that can direct your team and manage the game. In the right situation, he can probably win some Super Bowls but he's probably NOT going to get in that right situation.

I expect Bortles to have a Boller type of career. I expect him to get the opportunity but just not convert it into something great.

For the guys in the later rounds, I expect even less... but I'm going to hope for more because that's who I expect us to draft this season.

If a QB comes out of this draft and turns into a great QB, I'll admit I was wrong... probably. I'm still not close to admitting that Flacco or Eli are particularly good QBs.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
If a QB comes out of this draft and turns into a great QB, I'll admit I was wrong... probably. I'm still not close to admitting that Flacco or Eli are particularly good QBs.
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I think a QB from this draft will have a great career. But I won't pretend to believe I know which guy that will be. I think McCarron & Murray are most likely. I think they've got all the intangibles, the pedigree, & have shown the consistency on the biggest stages.

But Manziel's got star power. If he can continue what he's done in the NCAA, he's going to be something else, but he's going to need the right support system (coaches, defense, etc...) & for him, that system is more narrowly defined.

I like Bridgewater, but I don't see the big time ego, the arrogance you see in a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, John Elway, or even the Jim Kelly, Donavan McNabbs, & Phillip Rivers.

I see the tools with Bortles, but two years.... who knows what year three is going to look like. Same with Savage, except he's only got one year.. but I really like the way he zings it outside the hash marks.

If it ends up being Bridgewater, it's going to hurt worse. "Everybody" is telling us it's going to be him. If the Texans pick him, I can live with it, but if another team gets him & our guy is out of the league in 6 years or so, I'll admit I was wrong, but like I said, it will really hurt.
 
htownfan32 said:
Are you comparing their playing styles or are you just saying that he's going to fall out of the 1st round a la Smith?
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Of those considered to be the top three, I think he has the potential to fall the most.

Has shown nothing since college. Is it the pressure? Is he just over-rated?

We will see, I think it is the later. Never thought he was what everyone was saying.

Watch his games and you can shoot all kinds of holes in his perceived talent.
 
kingtexan said:
Of those considered to be the top three, I think he has the potential to fall the most.

Has shown nothing since college. Is it the pressure? Is he just over-rated?

We will see, I think it is the later. Never thought he was what everyone was saying.

Watch his games and you can shoot all kinds of holes in his perceived talent.
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Shown nothing since College?

Do you mean since they stopped playing actual Football?

When they stopped playing actual football he was almost universally considered the top QB in the draft.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Shown nothing since College?

Do you mean since they stopped playing actual Football?

When they stopped playing actual football he was almost universally considered the top QB in the draft.
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I'm guessing he means when TB stopped playing AAC College Football and started his interview process for Professional Football.

He wouldn't be the first player to free-fall after looking pretty pedestrian at his combine/ pro-day / private workouts.

Mind you, I'd be tickled pink if he fell to pick 33.
 
So, the Vikes want Teddybot to stay an extra day. I don't buy any of the news these qbs are falling. The top 2,jf and tb have great college production and bortles has great,limited qb production. People like to compare that to the guys in the cam newton qb class. Locker,gabbert,nor ponder had the kind of production these 3 had. Gabbert was the biggest fraud of them all to me. I think it was more of how much people didn't like cam as opposed to his actual talent. The guy was avg in an offense in which chase daniels put up cartoon like numbers. I mean, he was supposed to be athletic,but he got ran down. He was supposed to have a big arm,but all he did was dink and dunk. Shannahan who really needed a qb,traded down and took kerilgan. Don't get me started on the worse performance I've ever seen put in by jake locker vs nebraska. Again,dumb coaches and scout watched a pro day and combine and made a pick. Couple of yrs later,they might draft another qb early in the draft. Ponder is and was the definition of avg in college and as a pro.
 
Lucky said:
Why don't you shoot the holes? Because I don't know what you're talking about.
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Doesn't have great mechanics ... erratic arm position, sometimes even side-arm. Misses long quite a bit. His completion percentages came from dink and dunk little dump offs to backs in the flat. Not that accurate otherwise. Doesn't go through his check downs. Locks on and commits too early too a specific receiver.
 
Don't engage this King Texan guy yall. He's a troll. We've gone through all of this for 100+ pages, don't allow someone to stir the pot and rile you up.

I check back on this thread almost daily, but for the most part I'm done talking. Everything has been said. We are just regurgitating our fights from the first 100 pages now.

I drew my line in the sand after the football season as I do every year for my first 3 rounds of draft picks. If I'm wrong, I'll own it, if I'm right I'm gonna stand on my words and not let anyone else that wasn't there stand with me.

It's funny how everyone was commenting on the Chris Mortensen NOT factually correct story how he's gone around and failed and look shaky at MANY private workouts and everyone comments on it getting their validation that he's a loser, but when TB's agent comes out and says, "what? Factually INCORRECT, we've had 1 private workout" then no one said a thing.

Face it, this thread is comprised of 50% Clowney backers, 25% Manziel backers, 5% Bortles backers, 5-10% that just want TB to fail, and the other 10-15% who believe in TB based on what happened when football was still being played. We are all where we are at this point, the only thing left is to see how the cards fall. But just remember, when Alex Smith was drafted #1 and Rodgers slid to #24, it wasn't because Rodgers was a loser and Alex Smith was the truth, so where they're drafted is only stage 1.

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TexansFTW said:
Face it, this thread is comprised of 50% Clowney backers, 25% Manziel backers, 5% Bortles backers, 5-10% that just want TB to fail, and the other 10-15% who believe in TB based on what happened when football was still being played. We are all where we are at this point, the only thing left is to see how the cards fall. But just remember, when Alex Smith was drafted #1 and Rodgers slid to #24, it wasn't because Rodgers was a loser and Alex Smith was the truth, so where they're drafted is only stage 1.

21 days 9 hours 51 minutes
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Would it be to much to ask for this thread to be merged with the Geno Smith thread? :)
 
TexansFTW said:
Don't engage this King Texan guy yall. He's a troll. We've gone through all of this for 100+ pages, don't allow someone to stir the pot and rile you up.

I check back on this thread almost daily, but for the most part I'm done talking. Everything has been said. We are just regurgitating our fights from the first 100 pages now.

I drew my line in the sand after the football season as I do every year for my first 3 rounds of draft picks. If I'm wrong, I'll own it, if I'm right I'm gonna stand on my words and not let anyone else that wasn't there stand with me.

It's funny how everyone was commenting on the Chris Mortensen NOT factually correct story how he's gone around and failed and look shaky at MANY private workouts and everyone comments on it getting their validation that he's a loser, but when TB's agent comes out and says, "what? Factually INCORRECT, we've had 1 private workout" then no one said a thing.

Face it, this thread is comprised of 50% Clowney backers, 25% Manziel backers, 5% Bortles backers, 5-10% that just want TB to fail, and the other 10-15% who believe in TB based on what happened when football was still being played. We are all where we are at this point, the only thing left is to see how the cards fall. But just remember, when Alex Smith was drafted #1 and Rodgers slid to #24, it wasn't because Rodgers was a loser and Alex Smith was the truth, so where they're drafted is only stage 1.

21 days 9 hours 51 minutes
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Just for the record, I want TB to succeed but I'm a Clowney/Robinson guy.
 
thunderkyss said:
Say..... all you guys who don't want to draft Bridgewater with a top five pick (this includes myself).


If he were to go on to become a franchise QB & the guy you'd rather have, with a lower pick... not you guys who want Manziel or Bortles with a top 5 pick.. doesn't.

Say if you're a Garopollo guy, or a Murray, or whoever it is you want to take outside of the 1st round, let's say he turns into a Henne or Fitzpatrick, or a Whitehurst; good, but not good enough to be a starter.

How would you feel if Bridgewater goes on to become a franchise guy & Garoppolo/Murray/Savage becomes a journeyman back up?
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I'd feel the same way if any guy I picked top 5 fails and has little to do with how others do. I am basically interested in Texans. You use info you have and go with it. That is how I live my life not just a mock.
 
kingtexan said:
What if he is there, and Carr is still there? Im taking prototype size and better arm talent myself.
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Carr has his flaws as well and they are much the same as HWWNBM ... He struggles under pressure.

Bridgewater .... man that dude has twigs for legs. They look like they belong on someone else .... He lacks velocity or try's to put too much touch on throws more often than I like and accuracy is in question.


Tough call between the two of them @ #33.
 
kingtexan said:
No way they are the same size IRL.

TB looks like a twig next to DC.
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TB has longer arms (33" vs. 31.5") and bigger hands (9 1/4" vs. 9 1/8") than DC.

The problem with TB is that even though he came into the Combine at 214#, his "natural" weight is lower than that. DC is naturally a little heavier.
 
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php

We've reached out to many teams about Bridgewater, and all have been down on him. Perhaps the most glaring response we've heard came from an executive with an NFC playoff team that has no need for a starting quarterback. They have their franchise signal-caller, but they could use a reserve, so we asked this executive his thoughts on some quarterbacks, including Bridgewater.

The NFC executive said that he thought Bridgewater was a "fourth-round guy" and will fall out of the first round. He said that there isn't anything exceptional about Bridgewater's skill set, as he doesn't have an elite arm, size or mobility. Because of that, he felt that Bridgewater is a fourth-round talent.

Another scouting director picking in the top 20 that could consider a quarterback told us that his team never had Bridgewater as a first-round pick. They said he's carried a second-round grade throughout the process. They still have him as a second-round pick after his much-maligned pro day.

Sources from three teams in the top 10 have told us that they have Blake Bortles and Derek Carr graded ahead of Bridgewater. One team also has A.J. McCarron rated ahead of Bridgewater.
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Fall to 33 Teddy!
 
WolverineFan said:
They both measured 6-2, 214 at the Combine.

Bridgewater weighed 208 at his Pro Day though, IIRC.
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Greg Cosell said that he had info from trusted sources that TB's playing weight was 188 pounds.

"I’ve spoken to people that said late in the year at Louisville he weighed one eighty eight so he probably bulked up just for the combine so the number would be good. That’s something you have to think about. He’s not a big kid. He’s a slight kid."

http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/3...-questions-manziel-bridgewater-favors-bortles
 
Pewter Report ‏@PewterReport 23m

Bridgewater Concerns? @MarkdominikESPN weighs in http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...eddy-bridgewaters-problems-go-beyond-pro-day/ …

"Mark Dominik, the former Buccaneers general manager who now serves as an analyst for ESPN, said on NFL Live that he doesn’t believe Bridgewater’s Pro Day is a problem so much as his skinny frame, as well as the fact that Bridgewater didn’t always look like an elite passer on tape.

“There were things you saw on tape when you watched him,” Dominik said. “Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he’s a quality individual, he’s got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you’re judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you’re looking for.

Dominik indicated that if teams with Top 5 picks like the Texans, Jaguars and Browns are interested in Bridgewater, their interest is in hoping Bridgewater falls all the way out of the first round and is still available early in the second round. That’s a long fall from where most people thought Bridgewater would be drafted."
 
Texian said:
Greg Cosell said that he had info from trusted sources that TB's playing weight was 188 pounds.
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OK, let's say that's true. How did that affect his play in a negative way? What was he not able to do because he weighed 188 lbs?

Bridgewater is not a big QB. That's obvious from looking at him. He's never going to be 6'5" 230lbs. Having said that, what can he not do because of this? He took shots and got up. He broke tackles. He saw the field better than any QB in college. If he were 6'5" 230lbs, Bridgewater would probably be the best QB prospect since John Elway. But at 6'2" 200 lbs, he's still capable of doing everything a QB needs to do.

Texian said:
"Mark Dominik, the former Buccaneers general manager who now serves as an analyst for ESPN, said on NFL Live that he doesn’t believe Bridgewater’s Pro Day is a problem so much as his skinny frame, as well as the fact that Bridgewater didn’t always look like an elite passer on tape.

“There were things you saw on tape when you watched him,” Dominik said. “Something that scouts internally, we talked about it in Tampa with Teddy Bridgewater last year. Is he really the premiere quarterback? I like the young man, I think he’s a quality individual, he’s got character and leadership and those things. But this is a quarterback, and you’re judged by what quarterback you draft, and I think Teddy Bridgewater might not have all the pieces you’re looking for.
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Again, when has his skinny frame been a problem on the football field? And could the guy be more vague in evaluating Bridgewater? Not "always" an elite passer? Might not have "all of the pieces"? Thanks for that expert opinion. What pieces does Bridgewater have? Here is every pass play in Bridgewater's last actual football game. What you'll see is a QB who is not flustered by the pass rush, can quickly find the open receiver, and has uncanny accuracy on the run. You'll see a QB that can move the chains and put his team in good situations. Those are the pieces I'm looking for in a QB.
 
At least we have a name in marc dominic. Yep,the gm who moved up to get josh freeman. Josh freeman was an erratic passer at ksu. I wonder what the discussion were on freeman in 2009. He looks like a great qb when he gets off the bus and in warmups.
 
Lucky said:
OK, let's say that's true. How did that affect his play in a negative way? What was he not able to do because he weighed 188 lbs?
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From the get go the knock on TB has been his suspect arm. I am guilty after watching several TB games of saying that many of his deep passes looked like INTs in the NFL. And from his Pro Day the general consensus was that when the ball came out of his hand it didn't have the velocity that many were looking for. The ball didn't have the zip expected from a high draft pick NFL QB. All reasons that could directly be attributed to being a 188 lb QB.
 
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