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Teddy Bridgewater

That validation is crap. Pro days make a difference. Some positions more than others. As QB's go they can drop a guy if he does really bad. Anyone that says different is a full of it. If a guy shows up at his pro day and looks out of shape or just doesn't perform well it makes a difference.

If tape is all that mattered Aaron. Donald would be in discussion for the number one overall pick. No one has better game tape than him.

I agree, but i think they mean all things being equal i.e. good tape, good kid etc. a not so very good pro day isn't enough to drop a previous top 5 prospect a whole round. what you're describing is a horrid pro day on the level of a Maurice Clarrett horrible. TB's wasn't that bad.

Look, I haven't had much time these days to do much of anything let alone chime in on the TB/JM/BB debate having had 2 new little ones come into this world recently but i think the pro day thing is being overblown for all 3 candidates; really prospects in general. There's really nothing a guy is gonna show you that you haven't already seen on tape. Plus, your true tendencies tend to come out when the live bullets start anyway.

So guys harping on "see, he fixed this..or that" based on what they see in a pro day are losing it if they think that a guy has corrected an issue that they've probably been doing since high school.
 
If I was a GM (thankfully, I'm not) it'd be hard for me to draft a guy #1 overall that relies on a glove to throw a good ball.

Yes, Manning wears a glove now, but went many many years without them. He only wears them now due to loss of feeling in that hand.
 
I just watched it and can't say I agree. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about when asked about football. During Gruden's QB camp he seemed like he knew the most of what he was talking about.

Yeah of course he sounds nervous when Steve Mary says tell these other 2 QBs next to you why you should go #1 over them. That's an incredibly awkward question used to trap players into saying something stupid to drive up ratings and the fall back is gonna be media training... I can't control when I get picked, I can only control how hard I work in the process... I am a proven leader... etc.

Presence! He doesn't seem to have much. You want to take a QB with a high first round pick that doesn't project confidence or have a leaders presence? From what we have been able to see, It doesn't apear he has that quality. Maybe he interviews better when not on camera. I have my doubts.




We will see on both accounts. Don't be shocked when Aaron Donald and TB both go higher than you or Mel Kiper believe.

Nothing will be proven either way by where he is drafted. Teams reach all the time. Especially for QB's. And FYI I have had Donald in the top ten for a while. In fact go to the Donald thread and you will see me complaining that Donald should be in the discussion for the top overall pick. So get out a of here with that Kiper crap. Haven't read it listened to that guy in years.
 
I agree, but i think they mean all things being equal i.e. good tape, good kid etc. a not so very good pro day isn't enough to drop a previous top 5 prospect a whole round. what you're describing is a horrid pro day on the level of a Maurice Clarrett horrible. TB's wasn't that bad.

Look, I haven't had much time these days to do much of anything let alone chime in on the TB/JM/BB debate having had 2 new little ones come into this world recently but i think the pro day thing is being overblown for all 3 candidates; really prospects in general. There's really nothing a guy is gonna show you that you haven't already seen on tape. Plus, your true tendencies tend to come out when the live bullets start anyway.

So guys harping on "see, he fixed this..or that" based on what they see in a pro day are losing it if they think that a guy has corrected an issue that they've probably been doing since high school.

I agree with all of what you are saying. Obviously it doesn't completely answer all questions but it effects overall grade. And congrats on the two little ones!
 
If we get Bridgewater, do you think we can win 9 or 10 games in 2014?

Right now I don`t think we could win that many games with any available QB. We were the worst team last season and we might`ve had the worst off season so far (as far as "improving" the team). Any rookie QB coming in will need some time to adjust.

We shouldn`t draft a QB expecting to win now - I think the frontoffice wants at least one more bad season so we can build through the draft.
 
Right now I don`t think we could win that many games with any available QB. We were the worst team last season and we might`ve had the worst off season so far (as far as "improving" the team). Any rookie QB coming in will need some time to adjust.

We shouldn`t draft a QB expecting to win now - I think the frontoffice wants at least one more bad season so we can build through the draft.

I totally agree which is why I say don't force a QB with the first pick. See what comes to us and make a decision based on it. Pick one or two project QB's and see what happens. Maybe OB can get more out of them than is expected. Who knows.

There is always next year. I have said many times, it's highly doubtful we win ourselves out of the top ten picks in next years draft no matter what QB we go with this year. If OB isn't sold on any of these guys being worthy of 1.1 use THIS draft to build the team up.
 
If I was a GM (thankfully, I'm not) it'd be hard for me to draft a guy #1 overall that relies on a glove to throw a good ball.

Yes, Manning wears a glove now, but went many many years without them. He only wears them now due to loss of feeling in that hand.

Why do you feel that way?
 
Oh now it's ok to say he doesn't come off well in interviews. I was chastised when I said this a while back.



I was called bias and a J Football fan among other things for suggesting this.

'eh, I wouldn't worry about being chastised for an opinion. It is always someone with a different opinion that cannot handle disagreement.

But always remember, there are probably lots of folks that agree with your take, even if they do not outright say it.

I just watched it and can't say I agree. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about when asked about football. During Gruden's QB camp he seemed like he knew the most of what he was talking about.

I've got no problem with disagreement. It's all our opinions in the end. And I'm sure some team will disagree with my perceptions when they take him in the first round.

I've seen quite a few interviews with TB the past few months, so it was not just last night's show that led me to my thoughts.

Yeah of course he sounds nervous when Steve Mary says tell these other 2 QBs next to you why you should go #1 over them. That's an incredibly awkward question used to trap players into saying something stupid to drive up ratings and the fall back is gonna be media training... I can't control when I get picked, I can only control how hard I work in the process... I am a proven leader... etc.

That was a strange question, but if he's going to make such a statement, then he should be able to defend it. Being nervous is understandable for the average Joe, but dude is going to be a first round pick. Thinking quick on his feet, even in an interview, is something that teams will expect from him.

It was also his answer to the WR diva situation. The others seemed poise and able to understand the situation. TB just seemed like the question was asked in Chinese and he needed an interpretor.

I'm not going to research past interviews. My take is other prospects seem more comfortable in the glare and able to quickly form their thoughts. TB just seems tentative and very much like he's trying to remember the stock answers that he's rehearsed.

If you want quick wit at the press conference or at a dinner table Teddy is not your guy. If you want quick decision making on the FOOTBALL field, I think the tape speaks for itself. How many college QBs coming out this year made it past 2 reads during the season from the pocket?

'eh, you can find great highlights of most college QBs. I've watched a lot of their highlights as an average fan, and all of them have flaws. I see way too many floating passes from many of them that will get gobbled up by defenders in the NFL.

And a lot of time, the 2 reads is allowed because they have a lot of separation and not a lot of pressure.

Just about all of these QBs were "winners" and "leaders" in college.

Not dogging TB, btw, but just telling like I personally see it. If the Texans take him, Go Teddy! I do not have a dog in this hunt for QBs.
 
I watched the QB episode last night. Kinda' cool to see the workouts.

Honestly, Bridgewater just doesn't come off as very bright. JMO, of course, but he seems like his answers are canned. Maybe he's just nervous in front of cameras and interviews, but every interview I've seen with him just doesn't give me the vibe that he's very quick in his critical thinking skills.

I don't know anything about Tajh Boyd, but he came across as a very smart player. I'd like to keep an eye on him to see who picks him up and if he develops into an NFL QB down the road.

All of them showed college game tape where their floaty passes would be like mana from heaven to NFL defensive backs. They benefited from the typical separation at the college level between receivers and defenders.

He definitely is not a great public speaker. That's more a matter of charisma than intelligence.

I know people who are smarter than a rock, but dumber than a piece of wood who can come across as intelligent on most topics, even when they have very little idea what they're talking about.
 
Honestly, Bridgewater just doesn't come off as very bright. JMO, of course, but he seems like his answers are canned...

Answers are canned and do him a disservice, imo.

This is the most honest presentation of himself Teddy has done in the media that I've found. Totally different guy here... relaxed, in his element. This is more what it looks likes he plays like in his head, if that makes sense:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap2000000336104/Bridgewater-shows-off-his-intelligence
 
He definitely is not a great public speaker. That's more a matter of charisma than intelligence.

I know people who are smarter than a rock, but dumber than a piece of wood who can come across as intelligent on most topics, even when they have very little idea what they're talking about.

I know folks like that, as well. Heck, I've got a client that is genius level, but, he is not a quick thinker. He can break down complex issues in ways that are way above my head, but put him in a pressure situation (like a shipment deadline), and he does not do well. It's funny when he compliments me about staying calm under pressure, because it's just something I am and don't think about. I marvel at his high intelligence in the same way.

This is sort of what I was getting at with Bridgewater. IQ is not always indicative of quick decision vertical thinking, which is a trait that many look for in pro QBs. I think this kind of abstract concept is often what separates QBs from college to pros, as just about all of them are gifted with the physical talent to play the position. Mental is what separates the average, the good, and the greats.

Answers are canned and do him a disservice, imo.

This is the most honest presentation of himself Teddy has done in the media that I've found. Totally different guy here... relaxed, in his element. This is more what it looks likes he plays like in his head, if that makes sense:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap2000000336104/Bridgewater-shows-off-his-intelligence

He definitely seems more relaxed in this segment. It will be interesting to watch his career develop in the NFL.
 
I know folks like that, as well. Heck, I've got a client that is genius level, but, he is not a quick thinker. He can break down complex issues in ways that are way above my head, but put him in a pressure situation (like a shipment deadline), and he does not do well. It's funny when he compliments me about staying calm under pressure, because it's just something I am and don't think about. I marvel at his high intelligence in the same way.

Analysis paralysis or vapor lock of the cranial cavity.
 
I think if we draft TB with OB in charge we could have another top 10 offense.

TB doesn't play defense though and that is where we have our biggest holes.

I like this answer. If OB feels this way & doesn't think the other QBs can get him to the same place, I think he should take Bridgewater. Top 10 offenses aren't easy to come by, but like you said, doesn't guarantee winning.


6'2" 214 lbs??

He must have shot that after the combine. :kitten:
 
This is sort of what I was getting at with Bridgewater. IQ is not always indicative of quick decision vertical thinking, which is a trait that many look for in pro QBs. I think this kind of abstract concept is often what separates QBs from college to pros, as just about all of them are gifted with the physical talent to play the position. Mental is what separates the average, the good, and the greats.

Are you implying he doesn't have the quick thinking to make it in the pros because he's not a great public speaker?

Watch a couple of his games and watch him quickly diagnose plays and dominate them. Quick public speaking reactions aren't always indicative of quick reactions to the job.

28 days 6 hours 10 minutes

Side Bar: Is there a way to put a real time NFL Draft Countdown timer in my sig?
 
If we were playing high school teams, or if the Jags didn't hire Gus Bradley, that might mean something.

#3 Florida team in the Nation in the Sugar Bowl stacked full of NFL players when Louisville had 3 maybe 4 isn't quite high school comparison worthy.

We've done this song and dance for over 100 pages now, what are you doing right now? Bringing up old arguments from the first pages in this thread to stir the pot some more?
 
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#3 Florida team in the Nation in the Sugar Bowl stacked full of NFL players when Louisville had 3 maybe 4 isn't quite high school comparison worthy.

We've done this song and dance for over 100 pages now, what are you doing right now? Bringing up old arguments from the first pages in this thread to stir the pot some more?

Thank you! Let's stick to the more current topics. Like the fact that he comes off as not so bright in interviews or that he just doesn't appear to have a high first round QB picks leadership presence or how far will he fall in this draft. I beleive that's where this thread is currently at.
 
That validation is crap. Pro days make a difference. Some positions more than others. As QB's go they can drop a guy if he does really bad. Anyone that says different is a full of it. If a guy shows up at his pro day and looks out of shape or just doesn't perform well it makes a difference.

If tape is all that mattered Aaron. Donald would be in discussion for the number one overall pick. No one has better game tape than him.

Yep,it really dropped matt ryan and cam newton. In the case of ryan,he didn't have a strong sr yr either. In regards to aaron donald,he will be the 1st interior tackle taken. Who is to say how high he goes? He might go 2 to jax or 5 to oak,we don't know. I like donald a lot,but its a waste to attempt to play him in a 3-4.
 
Yep,it really dropped matt ryan and cam newton. In the case of ryan,he didn't have a strong sr yr either. In regards to aaron donald,he will be the 1st interior tackle taken. Who is to say how high he goes? He might go 2 to jax or 5 to oak,we don't know. I like donald a lot,but its a waste to attempt to play him in a 3-4.

I agree he doesn't fit in a 3/4 well.
 
28 days.........28 looooooooong days.........

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Thank you! Let's stick to the more current topics. Like the fact that he comes off as not so bright in interviews or that he just doesn't appear to have a high first round QB picks leadership presence or how far will he fall in this draft. I beleive that's where this thread is currently at.

Call your shot bro. Say how far he will drop, I'll say how far he won't.
 
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I doubt that. But I've been salivating at the thought of a trade down scenario where we could take Mack early. And then package our 2:1 and other picks to move up to get a Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel if one slips.

Think getting Cleveland's #4 and #26 (problem is they'd probably take a QB off the board at #1)... Take Mack or Robinson and 4, then package the 26 plus our 2:1 to move up around St. Louis 13 territory to snag Bridgewater.

Wow :drool:

I don't see why they whould want to trade with us to get manziel/bortles @1.1 to be honest
 
I don't think trading up in any scenario is realistic for THIS Houston Texans team. Trading up generally involves giving up multiple picks in the current year.

We have 0 personnel to run any defense that we are claiming to be able to run. Whether it be RACs 3-4 we envisioned with him coming here or this phantom "70% Nickel" (I don't believe we are for a second if that's not clear), we have no ability to run them with any semblance of NFL talent.

We've got JJ Watt and absolute rif raf accompanying him on that line. We need every single one of our 11 picks, and worse... we need all 11 of them to hit. I won't be shocked when about 8 of these picks are used on defense.

With that said, realistically we need more picks, not less higher quality ones. We hit the field with this defense in September we give up 35+ every week. We have 1 injury (which we will), we are even worse.
 
I don't think trading up in any scenario is realistic for THIS Houston Texans team. Trading up generally involves giving up multiple picks in the current year.

We need every single one of our 11 picks, and worse... we need all 11 of them to hit. I won't be shocked when about 8 of these picks are used on defense.

With that said, realistically we need more picks, not less higher quality ones. We hit the field with this defense in September we give up 35+ every week. We have 1 injury (which we will), we are even worse.

I don't see, or at least I don't want to see two 4th rounders & two 5th rounders as starters on our team. I'd rather trade a 4th & 5th with our 33 & get the guy our HC wants..... & start him.
 
I don't see, or at least I don't want to see two 4th rounders & two 5th rounders as starters on our team. I'd rather trade a 4th & 5th with our 33 & get the guy our HC wants..... & start him.

I don't think there is one set formula but I fall more in line with you and would rather have 4-5 plus starters rather than 8 guys who can get buy.
 
Are you implying he doesn't have the quick thinking to make it in the pros because he's not a great public speaker?

Watch a couple of his games and watch him quickly diagnose plays and dominate them. Quick public speaking reactions aren't always indicative of quick reactions to the job.

I'm not implying anything. I'm not a talent evaluator and I do not play one on the internets.

My thoughts are just that: thoughts. How this stuff translates to the pro game will be seen in the long run.

I've watched his highlight reels, but everyone's highlight reels paints them in positive light. You can find some great highlights of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russel in college. Not comparing Bridgewater to those guys, but just pointing out that there is more to the evaluation process.

Glad it's not my decision to make.

Like I said, the speed of the game is much different at the LOS, and the separation between receivers and defenders much tighter. It remains to be seen how he does in the pros, just like it does for all of these college players.

I have focused on Bridgewater because he has been touted as the best QB in this draft for months.
 
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva
ESPN's Chris Mortensen on Teddy Bridgewater: "His private workouts have also gone very shakily." Teams concerned about Teddy's hand size.

1/8th" too small. :kitten:
 
Teddy Bridgewater reportedly struggling in his private workouts
April 11, 2014 By Larry Brown Leave a Comment

Teddy Bridgewater LouisvilleTeddy Bridgewater already had a shaky pro day according to some evaluators, and the NFL draft prospect’s private workouts apparently have not gone much better.

According to Rotoworld, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported Friday that Bridgewater’s private workouts with NFL teams “have also gone very shakily.” Mortensen says Bridgewater’s private passing sessions with teams have been underwhelming.

One concern teams apparently have is the small size of Teddy’s hands. One of the prospects competing with Bridgewater for the top draft spot is Johnny Manziel. Though Manziel is not tall, he has large hands.

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/teddy-bridgewater-private-workouts/225822
 
Evan Silva ‏@evansilva


1/8th" too small. :kitten:

Why don't we ever hear about Bortles massive 9 3/8" man hands but every other article is concerned about Bridgewater's 9 2/8" tiny little girl hands?

Out of boredom I measure my hands at 10 7/8". Maybe they should draft me.
 
Teddy Bridgewater reportedly struggling in his private workouts
April 11, 2014 By Larry Brown Leave a Comment

Teddy Bridgewater LouisvilleTeddy Bridgewater already had a shaky pro day according to some evaluators, and the NFL draft prospect’s private workouts apparently have not gone much better.

According to Rotoworld, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported Friday that Bridgewater’s private workouts with NFL teams “have also gone very shakily.” Mortensen says Bridgewater’s private passing sessions with teams have been underwhelming.

One concern teams apparently have is the small size of Teddy’s hands. One of the prospects competing with Bridgewater for the top draft spot is Johnny Manziel. Though Manziel is not tall, he has large hands.

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/teddy-bridgewater-private-workouts/225822

Per Texian, per Larry Brown Sports, per Rotoworld, per ESPN. Wut
 
I don't think trading up in any scenario is realistic for THIS Houston Texans team. Trading up generally involves giving up multiple picks in the current year.

We have 0 personnel to run any defense that we are claiming to be able to run. Whether it be RACs 3-4 we envisioned with him coming here or this phantom "70% Nickel" (I don't believe we are for a second if that's not clear), we have no ability to run them with any semblance of NFL talent.

We've got JJ Watt and absolute rif raf accompanying him on that line. We need every single one of our 11 picks, and worse... we need all 11 of them to hit. I won't be shocked when about 8 of these picks are used on defense.

With that said, realistically we need more picks, not less higher quality ones. We hit the field with this defense in September we give up 35+ every week. We have 1 injury (which we will), we are even worse.

Agreed

What's the chance that Rick hits on 8 picks, plus finds a QB in 1 draft?

I like dreamin cause dreamin can make me high, this is the current state of the Texans.
 
I am a Bridgewater guy - but right now I don`t think we will or should take him. Several scouts have him falling all the way out of the first round. Taking him with the first pick will probably be reaching by quite a margin.

So I´d say take bpa with the first pick. All things point to that being Clowney (though I´d prefer a player like Robinson). Then watch what happens if one of the big 3 QBs fall, trade up to get them - or (if the Browns have already picked a QB) be patient. Changes are one of the top 3 will fall at least to pick 24.

If we could somehow get out of this draft with Clowney/Robinson AND Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles this would be a major win for us. Everything after that would just be icing on the cake.
 
I am a Bridgewater guy - but right now I don`t think we will or should take him. Several scouts have him falling all the way out of the first round. Taking him with the first pick will probably be reaching by quite a margin.

So I´d say take bpa with the first pick. All things point to that being Clowney (though I´d prefer a player like Robinson). Then watch what happens if one of the big 3 QBs fall, trade up to get them - or (if the Browns have already picked a QB) be patient. Changes are one of the top 3 will fall at least to pick 24.

If we could somehow get out of this draft with Clowney/Robinson AND Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles this would be a major win for us. Everything after that would just be icing on the cake.
I think it's fairly easy to accurately predict the first 4 or 5 non QBs to be taken in this Draft, but it's going to be challenging and very interesting to see when and who drafts the QBs, and in what order they are drafted.
 
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