Report: Texans and Raiders in Serious Trade Talk for Matt Schaub

[Sigma]

I'd be interested to see what the Raiders will give in return.

would the raiders taking schaub mean that the guaranteed money will be put on theirs cap? freeing us from taking a 10M dead money hit?

If that was the case I would even consider giving him to them for free.

but I don't understand the whole guaranteed money/cap thing very well

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I was under the assumption that trading him would be exactly like cutting him as it pertains to our cap. So instead of his approx 14m cap number we would have approx 10m dead money toward him with a net savings of around 4m.

read this just now, so I guess it was the article in the OP to mislead me...

The Texans are looking to ship out Matt Schaub and his $10.5 million in salary cap cost to the Raiders, who have $59.9 million in cap space, and free up more cap room for their own ability to grab someone else in free agency or via trade.

 

[Marshall]

Is this Marshall Faulk?

Hardly.

 

[Marshall]

I know when teams trade a player away they aren't Scott free, but it don't understand why we take a cap hit. That just makes no sense to me.

The Cap hit is from the signing bonus we already paid. We benefited from being able to delay accounting for it for cap purposes when it was paid, but it doesn't transfer with the player since it has already been paid. It is accelerated and accounted for in the year of the cut or trade rather than spread out over the remaining years of the contract or the first five years of it, whichever is lesser.

I think CBS got the Signing Bonus dead money number of $10.5M confused with the Salary and Roster Bonus number of $10,937,500 mixed up. To be fair, they were the same until an adjustment was made a couple of months ago.

 

[Number19]

We've been wanting to trade down, as one option. So we swap #1's and we also get their #2. Value wise this is still a little short, so we give them the veteran they need while grooming the QB they'll take at 1-1 and we get a young QB who is familar with our new offense. We move a QB who everyone knew was gone and Oakland trades an undrafted 2nd year player who would be their 3rd QB. Oakland is in cap trouble because their salary level is too low. It's a win-win all around.

We could also pull the identical deal with Cleveland except they are not in trouble with too low spending on salaries.

 

[Marshall]

We've been wanting to trade down, as one option. So we swap #1's and we also get their #2. Value wise this is still a little short, so we give them the veteran they need while grooming the QB they'll take at 1-1 and we get a young QB who is familar with our new offense. We move a QB who everyone knew was gone and Oakland trades an I drafted 2nd year player who would be their 3rd QB. Oakland is in cap trouble because their salary level is too low. It's a win-win all around.

We could also pull the identical deal with Cleveland except they are not in trouble with too low spending on salaries.

By the numbers:
Houston 1-1 3000
Houston Schaub ?

Oakland 1-5 1700
Oakland 2-36 540
Oakland McGloin ?

I still see us coming up way short in this scenario.

 

[speedfreek]

Schaub for Hayden straight up!

(bringing him back to H-town)

 

[IDEXAN]

We've been wanting to trade down, as one option. So we swap #1's and we also get their #2. Value wise this is still a little short, so we give them the veteran they need while grooming the QB they'll take at 1-1 and we get a young QB who is familar with our new offense. We move a QB who everyone knew was gone and Oakland trades an undrafted 2nd year player who would be their 3rd QB. Oakland is in cap trouble because their salary level is too low. It's a win-win all around.

We could also pull the identical deal with Cleveland except they are not in trouble with too low spending on salaries.

Our 1.1 for Oaklands 1.5 & 2.5 ? I would love that deal !
But if a deal included trading Schaub, I'm still unsure about the non-guaranteed portion of Schaub's contract ? So let's say Oakland or whoever our trading partner might be assumes the balance of Schaub's contract, does that mean we would have no obligation for his remaining compensation on the contract beyond what portion of it is the unamortized guaranteed balance which of course does go agasnt our cap ?

 

[Number19]

For a definitive answer I'll have to defer to those who keep up with this, but I would say yes you are correct. In simple terms that I understand, the Texans would still have to pay all past salary & bonuses which have been deferred but Oakland would assume all future payments due under the current contract. Schaub and the Raiders would likely renegotiate the contract.

 

[steelbtexan]

All of you folks wanting to collect QBs should go have a chat with Gruden.

My QB collection would look like this

1. Mallett
2.McGloin
3. Keenum

All 3 talented with various degrees of upside.

 

[TEXANRED]

My QB collection would look like this

1. Mallett
2.McGloin
3. Keenum

All 3 talented with various degrees of upside.

So you are looking for another 2-14 season?

 

[michaelm]

There is roughly a 0% chance of this trade happening.

 

[Trail.Blazr]

I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.

cept for W-L stats

but McGloin doesn't strike me as any answer for Houston, aside from getting Schaub off the roster. Seeing as I don't feel keeping Schaub on the roster is taking a step forward, this would still make me feel better than if no trade is made, but it's low hanging fruit.

 

[steelbtexan]

So you are looking for another 2-14 season?

Mallett is as good as any QB in this class and a huge improvement over Schaub was last yr. For that matter so is McGloin. Plus they both have experience in BOB's offense.

Even if I was wrong they could draft a QB in next yrs draft. Instead of settling for your God TB. 2-14 with Clowney/Robinson and Mallett/McGloin is highly unlikely.

Did you just post this for effect? Continue on with your early morning TB masturbation.

 

[Exascor]

Our 1.1 for Oaklands 1.5 & 2.5 ? I would love that deal !
But if a deal included trading Schaub, I'm still unsure about the non-guaranteed portion of Schaub's contract ? So let's say Oakland or whoever our trading partner might be assumes the balance of Schaub's contract, does that mean we would have no obligation for his remaining compensation on the contract beyond what portion of it is the unamortized guaranteed balance which of course does go agasnt our cap ?

Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.

 

[Thorn]

Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.

As long as he's not on the active roster when the season starts, I don't give a **** what we do with him. They can throw him and his uniforms and crap in a dumpster as far as I'm concerned.

 

[IDEXAN]

Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.

But isn't the problem with expecting a restructure/extension is it would mean an agreement to the new terms by BOTH Oakland and Schaub ?

 

[Lucky]

Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.

 

[Seegara]

I wouldn't go that far. It's clear we have a QB they want (if this story is true). He might be history here, but one man's garbage could be another man's gold.

Sometimes a change of team is the spark a player needs to excel, and Schaub could be an asset to them for a season or two. Were it my decision, a 4th or better would buy him. But Oakland isn't going to trade a QB for a QB; we have to get a replacement somewhere else.

 

[Exascor]

But isn't the problem with expecting a restructure/extension is it would mean an agreement to the new terms by BOTH Oakland and Schaub ?

Sure but it's really easy honestly. Remember that they are looking to do the opposite if what most teams - they need to spend more not less. Since they have to eat up cap space, they could front load the contract and give Schaub a bonus too. Even if Schaub doesn't wasn't to do anything, he's under contract for a lot if money. He'd be dumb to not take what he's owed on it.

 

[thunderkyss]

No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.

I thought someone mentioned if he's traded to Oakland, they wouldn't necessarily want him to restructure. They said Oakland needs to add to their cap hit, to meet the minimum (though I thought it was a 3 year avg & not anything to worry about this year).

If so, it would make sense.

There are also those here that advocate for the pay as you go contracts. This would be just that. They aren't bound to Matt Schaub in any way. If they bring him in & he gets beat out by Matt McGloin, they can cut him before the season starts & not owe him anything, not have to show it on their cap... he'd never get a silver & black paycheck.

 

[Exascor]

No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.

If he gets traded, he won't be getting released. He can't negotiate except with the team he's traded too.

 

[Lucky]

If he gets traded, he won't be getting released. He can't negotiate except with the team he's traded too.

Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.

 

[Number19]

Sometimes a change of team is the spark a player needs to excel, and Schaub could be an asset to them for a season or two. Were it my decision, a 4th or better would buy him. But Oakland isn't going to trade a QB for a QB; we have to get a replacement somewhere else.

Schaub would not be the long term solution at QB for Oakland. They would be expected to get the QB of their choice at 1-1, assuming this was part of the deal. So McGloin would be third on the depth chart. He was also an undrafted FA when signed. He's replaceable.

 

[Number19]

Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.

First, as explained, Oakland wouldn't have to renegotiate. But more importantly, as explained by the Oakland beat writer in his tweets, they could sweeten the deal to entice him to renegotiate, by including a signing bonus.

 

[Exascor]

Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.

To make more maybe? Oakland needs to spend - not save. Give Schaub a 10 - 12 million bonus and lots of incentives in the new contract. Why wouldn't he do it?

 

[thunderkyss]

First, as explained, Oakland wouldn't have to renegotiate. But more importantly, as explained by the Oakland beat writer in his tweets, they could sweeten the deal to entice him to renegotiate, by including a signing bonus.

Every now & then, it's ok to say, "I don't know."

 

[DocBar]

Mallett is as good as any QB in this class and a huge improvement over Schaub was last yr. For that matter so is McGloin. Plus they both have experience in BOB's offense.

Even if I was wrong they could draft a QB in next yrs draft. Instead of settling for your God TB. 2-14 with Clowney/Robinson and Mallett/McGloin is highly unlikely.

Did you just post this for effect? Continue on with your early morning TB masturbation.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Ryan Mallet stats

The scant stats he does have are pretty pathetic.

 

[steelbtexan]

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Ryan Mallet stats

The scant stats he does have are pretty pathetic.

I've seen him play in college.

What kind of stats do you expect him to put up behind a GOAT like Brady?

 

[Lucky]

To make more maybe? Oakland needs to spend - not save. Give Schaub a 10 - 12 million bonus and lots of incentives in the new contract. Why wouldn't he do it?

Yes, I agree. Schaub would agree to a renegotiated contract that would pay him more $$$. A new contract that would pay him less is what I would question.

 

[Number19]

With all the previous comments and discussion, it never even entered my mind that "renegotiation" could be interpreted as meaning "renegotiate for less money".

 

[Lucky]

With all the previous comments and discussion, it never even entered my mind that "renegotiation" could be interpreted as meaning "renegotiate for less money".

Signed,
Matt Schaub's agent

 

[Doppelganger]

For Schaub a trade to Oakland is good. Either way he gets his guaranteed money, but in Oakland, he still gets the money owed per the contract. He would get 10 mill from the Texans(as guaranteed money) plus his per game and other bonuses. If he was cut he would get less since the per game and bonus money will certainly be much less.

Outside of needing to spend big $, I am not sure why Oakland would want him but a trade makes sense for Schuab and the Texans.

 

[Lucky]

For Schaub a trade to Oakland is good. Either way he gets his guaranteed money, but in Oakland, he still gets the money owed per the contract. He would get 10 mill from the Texans(as guaranteed money) plus his per game and other bonuses. If he was cut he would get less since the per game and bonus money will certainly be much less.

Schaub doesn't have any guaranteed money left on his deal. If he were to be cut by the Texans, they would owe Schaub zilch. The unamortized portion of his signing bonus would be due on the cap, however. That's accounting, not "real money".

 

[WolverineFan]

Outside of needing to spend big $, I am not sure why Oakland would want him but a trade makes sense for Schuab and the Texans.

I think Oakland wants him because they don't plan on taking a QB #5 overall and want a vet in place instead. Schaub would likely be the top QB on the market if cut, but he probably wouldn't choose Oakland as his destination.

 

[Playoffs]

I think Oakland wants him because they don't plan on taking a QB #5 overall and want a vet in place instead. Schaub would likely be the top QB on the market if cut, but he probably wouldn't choose Oakland as his destination.

And after two 4-12 seasons GM might be feeling some heat to show improvement or lose his job.

 

[Hervoyel]

I have this mental picture of Matt Schaub wearing the Black & Silver with that unshaved shadow look he was sporting toward the end of the season here. He runs out on the field with an uncharacteristic swagger and a steely look on in his eyes that we Texans fans wouldn't recognize. This is a Matt Schaub with something to prove and with a burning fire in his belly. The beast is finally let loose.....

The Raiders offense takes the field. Matt barks out the play and the Raiders crisply break the huddle and trot to the line. Matt Schaub smiles and nods at his WR who goes in motion, shouts out the cadence while staring down the LB who appears to be positioned to blitz... The ball is snapped, massive men crash into one another, and just like that the ball is out and on its way...... in the hands of a previously unheard of cornerback as he streaks toward the Raiders endzone.

 

[bah007]

Schaub makes sense for OAK if they don't want to take a QB at the top this year. They get a starting QB without using their first round pick. They'll have to give up a draft pick but probably not one that they will miss. I could see them taking a QB in the third or fourth round. They could go into next year with:

Schaub-Pryor-rookie

McGloin is let go. If Schaub sucks for them they can cut him with no penalty and still turn to Pryor while the rookie gets ready.

 

[DocBar]

I've seen him play in college.

What kind of stats do you expect him to put up behind a GOAT like Brady?

I don't expect him to have 4,000 yds passing or 30 TD's, but 1-4 for 17 yds and a pick passing and 8 rushes for -9 yds? Doesn't inspire confidence in me.

And there great college QB's who are NFL busts every year. I'm not saying Mallett would be a bust in the NFL, I'm just saying there's absolutely no way to tell with just his college career and the stats he does have in the NFL.

His college stats aren't markedly different than the top 3 prospects this year and his accurracy is worse. I guess we'll just disagree on this one.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I have this mental picture of Matt Schaub wearing the Black & Silver with that unshaved shadow look he was sporting toward the end of the season here. He runs out on the field with an uncharacteristic swagger and a steely look on in his eyes that we Texans fans wouldn't recognize. This is a Matt Schaub with something to prove and with a burning fire in his belly. The beast is finally let loose.....

The Raiders offense takes the field. Matt barks out the play and the Raiders crisply break the huddle and trot to the line. Matt Schaub smiles and nods at his WR who goes in motion, shouts out the cadence while staring down the LB who appears to be positioned to blitz... The ball is snapped, massive men crash into one another, and just like that the ball is out and on its way...... in the hands of a previously unheard of cornerback as he streaks toward the Raiders endzone.

Shaub is the new Blanda without the kicking .

 

[bah007]

I don't expect him to have 4,000 yds passing or 30 TD's, but 1-4 for 17 yds and a pick passing and 8 rushes for -9 yds? Doesn't inspire confidence in me.

And there great college QB's who are NFL busts every year. I'm not saying Mallett would be a bust in the NFL, I'm just saying there's absolutely no way to tell with just his college career and the stats he does have in the NFL.

His college stats aren't markedly different than the top 3 prospects this year and his accurracy is worse. I guess we'll just disagree on this one.

People will always look at a physical specimen like Mallett and see them for what they could possibly be instead of seeing what they really are. It will always be that way.

 

[Hottoddie]

I don't expect him to have 4,000 yds passing or 30 TD's, but 1-4 for 17 yds and a pick passing and 8 rushes for -9 yds? Doesn't inspire confidence in me.

And there great college QB's who are NFL busts every year. I'm not saying Mallett would be a bust in the NFL, I'm just saying there's absolutely no way to tell with just his college career and the stats he does have in the NFL.

His college stats aren't markedly different than the top 3 prospects this year and his accurracy is worse. I guess we'll just disagree on this one.

I wouldn't dismiss a player because he hasn't put up any significant numbers just yet. I remember suggesting we trade for Aaron Rodgers when he was just a backup to Favre & was repeatedly told he wasn't any good. In his first two years he went 15-31 for 111 yards, 1 int, 3 fumbles & 6 sacks in 5 games.

Brett Favre was traded to Green Bay after going 0-4, 2 int & 1 sack in two games his first year.

I'm not saying Mallett will even come close to these two players, but neither one of them did much coming off the bench either. Unless Brady gets hurt, Mallett will never see the field during a real game. He's got all the tools to be a starting QB in the NFL & he's even kept his nose clean in his first 3 years after all the college issues. If OB thinks he can do something with Mallett, I'm all for it.

 

[thunderkyss]

I have this mental picture of Matt Schaub wearing the Black & Silver with that unshaved shadow look he was sporting toward the end of the season here. He runs out on the field with an uncharacteristic swagger and a steely look on in his eyes that we Texans fans wouldn't recognize. This is a Matt Schaub with something to prove and with a burning fire in his belly. The beast is finally let loose.....

I can see him in a black doo-rag with a big gold loop earing in both ears.

The Raiders offense takes the field. Matt barks out the play and the Raiders crisply break the huddle and trot to the line. Matt Schaub smiles and nods at his WR who goes in motion, shouts out the cadence while staring down the LB who appears to be positioned to blitz... The ball is snapped, massive men crash into one another, and just like that the ball is out and on its way...... in the hands of a previously unheard of cornerback as he streaks toward the Raiders endzone.

I'm not a big Matt Schaub fan. I'm also one of the last few (one??) who do not believe his Lisfranc caused the issues we saw last season.

I've also liked Matt when we finally canned the idea of running the ball to set up the pass... something we haven't done since Arian Foster broke out. Adding that Wade Phillips defense didn't help & then Shane Lechler....

Matt's a rhythm QB, always has been & Gary's style of offense doesn't always help him get into that rhythm, or when he does get in the zone, Gary cools him off.

I don't believe he's "clutch" I don't believe he can carry a team to a Super Bowl, I don't believe he is "Mr. Playoffs" but I don't think we've seen the best Matt Schaub could have been. I don't know that he can be better than what he has been in recent years, due to getting up there in age & what little physical prowess he had is most likely gone by now...

But I am interested to see what he can do without Gary Kubiak... not that I blame everything on Kubiak, just most everything.

 

[thunderkyss]

People will always look at a physical specimen like Mallett and see them for what they could possibly be instead of seeing what they really are. It will always be that way.

I think the talent is only part of the equation.

His coaching staff, HC, OC, QB coach, WR coach, etc... plays a big part in it as well. I still think Kolb would have had a great career under Kubiak. I think Brady Quin would have done well here. Gabbert might do well with Harbaugh.

I liked what I heard from the clips of Bill O'Brien's coaching clinics & think if he picked Mallet to lead this team, that he believes he can make him & us a winner.

 

[Hervoyel]

I can see him in a black doo-rag with a big gold loop earing in both ears.



I'm not a big Matt Schaub fan. I'm also one of the last few (one??) who do not believe his Lisfranc caused the issues we saw last season.

I've also liked Matt when we finally canned the idea of running the ball to set up the pass... something we haven't done since Arian Foster broke out. Adding that Wade Phillips defense didn't help & then Shane Lechler....

Matt's a rhythm QB, always has been & Gary's style of offense doesn't always help him get into that rhythm, or when he does get in the zone, Gary cools him off.

I don't believe he's "clutch" I don't believe he can carry a team to a Super Bowl, I don't believe he is "Mr. Playoffs" but I don't think we've seen the best Matt Schaub could have been. I don't know that he can be better than what he has been in recent years, due to getting up there in age & what little physical prowess he had is most likely gone by now...

But I am interested to see what he can do without Gary Kubiak... not that I blame everything on Kubiak, just most everything.

I hear you. I want to see him somewhere else if for no other reason than to know what I should or should not blame on Gary. They're inextricably tied to one another at this point. We know what Gary has done with other QB's. We've seen him OC and coach QB's before. We've never seen Matt without Gary.

 

[_King_]

I hear you. I want to see him somewhere else if for no other reason than to know what I should or should not blame on Gary. They're inextricably tied to one another at this point. We know what Gary has done with other QB's. We've seen him OC and coach QB's before. We've never seen Matt without Gary.

You can see him here to know what he looks like without Gary.

 

[bah007]

I think the talent is only part of the equation.

His coaching staff, HC, OC, QB coach, WR coach, etc... plays a big part in it as well. I still think Kolb would have had a great career under Kubiak. I think Brady Quin would have done well here. Gabbert might do well with Harbaugh.

I liked what I heard from the clips of Bill O'Brien's coaching clinics & think if he picked Mallet to lead this team, that he believes he can make him & us a winner.

If he picked Mallett then I would agree with you.

My stance is that he won't pick Mallett because Mallett is not what a bunch of you guys think he is. He's a big body with a big arm who choked games away in college but got away with it because Bobby Petrino made him look good.

Mallett is a bigger version of Brian Brohm.

 

[TEXANRED]

I don't get why people are so big on Ryan Mallett. His career NFL stats are 4 GP back in 2012 and went 1-4 for 17 yards and an INT.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I don't get why people are so big on Ryan Mallett. His career NFL stats are 4 GP back in 2012 and went 1-4 for 17 yards and an INT.

1) They liked him when he was coming out of college.
2) They like the fact that he knows our new system.
3) They like the fact that he's worked with OB.
4) They like the fact that he hasn't shown any of the behavioral issues that were questions about him coming out of school.

I'm in the wait and see camp.

 

[darnbni99a]

sh!t they can have him for free

 

[steelbtexan]

1) They liked him when he was coming out of college.
2) They like the fact that he knows our new system.
3) They like the fact that he's worked with OB.
4) They like the fact that he hasn't shown any of the behavioral issues that were questions about him coming out of school.

I'm in the wait and see camp.

msr

Seems pretty logical to me.