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thunderkyss said:
We had one of the best QBs in the league at that time as well. He was taken in the 3rd round of the NFL draft. The Seahawks just won the Super Bowl with a QB they selected in the third round.
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You should really stop trying to compare us to the Seahawks thinking we can easily replicate that. Every now and then a legendary defense forms and they have wild success no matter who is under center.

Be it 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucks, or 2013 Hawks. It's generally not very sustainable and very rarely replicated. You keep chasing this pipe dream you will end with shattered dreams and lots of 'what if's'.

You want to build the best OLine in football and think you can just plug in any Yahoo at QB you will find yourself in the position of the Redskins (3 wins with 3rd best OL), Browns (4 wins with 5th best OL), or Vikings (5 wins with 6th best OL). Great QBs make great offensive lines. Great coaches compensate for poor OLines. You can't have everything, ask Cleveland AKA Trenches.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/4/

In 2012 the Eagles were the worst OLine ever to many people. In 2013 under a new coach and a smarter QB no one says a word about them. Same can be said for the Bears. If you only focus on protypical features you are Al Davis, and the game passed him by and he doomed a faithful fan base to many years of heartache and sadness.

Moving on...

One of the best Guards in FA is Richie Incognito, dude was a Pro Bowler and a beast. There was reason he was a team captain. We need to bring him in for the pennies he will demand and have Q and Williams and a 4th/5th rounder (my pick is JuWuan James) compete for that RT job.
 
TexansFTW said:
You should really stop trying to compare us to the Seahawks thinking we can easily replicate that. Every now and then a legendary defense forms and they have wild success no matter who is under center.

Be it 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucks, or 2013 Hawks. It's generally not very sustainable and very rarely replicated. You keep chasing this pipe dream you will end with shattered dreams and lots of 'what if's'.

You want to build the best OLine in football and think you can just plug in any Yahoo at QB you will find yourself in the position of the Redskins (3 wins with 3rd best OL), Browns (4 wins with 5th best OL), or Vikings (5 wins with 6th best OL). Great QBs make great offensive lines. Great coaches compensate for poor OLines. You can't have everything, ask Cleveland AKA Trenches.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/4/

In 2012 the Eagles were the worst OLine ever to many people. In 2013 under a new coach and a smarter QB no one says a word about them. Same can be said for the Bears. If you only focus on protypical features you are Al Davis, and the game passed him by and he doomed a faithful fan base to many years of heartache and sadness.

Moving on...

One of the best Guards in FA is Richie Incognito, dude was a Pro Bowler and a beast. There was reason he was a team captain. We need to bring him in for the pennies he will demand and have Q and Williams and a 4th/5th rounder (my pick is JuWuan James) compete for that RT job.
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I agree with most of this.

However drafting Garappolo/Murray/Mettenberger isn't just plugging in any old QB. These guys have as much talent as the top 3 guys. IMHO The only reason they may be available in the 2nd/3rd rd is (Garappolo, small school guy) (Mett/Murray, injuries.) In fact I will go out on a limb and say Mett/Murray have stronger arms/do better on the wonderlich/played in pro style offenses than, or like your boy TB.
 
TexansFTW said:
You should really stop trying to compare us to the Seahawks thinking we can easily replicate that. Every now and then a legendary defense forms and they have wild success no matter who is under center.
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That wasn't the point of that post.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree with most of this.

However drafting Garappolo/Murray/Mettenberger isn't just plugging in any old QB. These guys have as much talent as the top 3 guys. IMHO The only reason they may be available in the 2nd/3rd rd is (Garappolo, small school guy) (Mett/Murray, injuries.) In fact I will go out on a limb and say Mett/Murray have stronger arms/do better on the wonderlich/played in pro style offenses than, or like your boy TB.
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Fair enough and that is your right and I respect your rights. 'Merica!

I don't see anything sustainable or special in those guys. In the right system (A Seahawks/49ers/Cardinals) type system I think they can play QB at the NFL level. Almost every other situation I see them as flame outs and journeyman until their time in the league is over.
 
TexansFTW said:
Fair enough and that is your right and I respect your rights. 'Merica!

I don't see anything sustainable or special in those guys. In the right system (A Seahawks/49ers/Cardinals) type system I think they can play QB at the NFL level. Almost every other situation I see them as flame outs and journeyman until their time in the league is over.
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Same could be said about the top 3. Although like Garappolo/Mett/Murray I think one of Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater will become a franchise QB. The other 2 on both levels will be Romo/Dalton/Palmer type QB's.
 
Cyrus Kouandjio... are you interested if he falls to 2-1? Or are you not interested because of the arthritic knee?

Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Antonio Richardson. What are the odds of one of these guys being there at 2-1? I'm drawing the line at Zack Martin, I think those 4 are excellent OT prospects, I'm worried about Cyrus' knee & I think Moses & Richardson are very good prospects.

I'd be open to taking a QB in the first, if I could get one of these guys in the second.
 
thunderkyss said:
Cyrus Kouandjio... are you interested if he falls to 2-1? Or are you not interested because of the arthritic knee?

Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Antonio Richardson. What are the odds of one of these guys being there at 2-1? I'm drawing the line at Zack Martin, I think those 4 are excellent OT prospects, I'm worried about Cyrus' knee & I think Moses & Richardson are very good prospects.

I'd be open to taking a QB in the first, if I could get one of these guys in the second.
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I'd pass on Kouandijo at 2:1. 3:1 probably take a punt.
 
thunderkyss said:
Cyrus Kouandjio... are you interested if he falls to 2-1? Or are you not interested because of the arthritic knee?

Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Antonio Richardson. What are the odds of one of these guys being there at 2-1? I'm drawing the line at Zack Martin, I think those 4 are excellent OT prospects, I'm worried about Cyrus' knee & I think Moses & Richardson are very good prospects.

I'd be open to taking a QB in the first, if I could get one of these guys in the second.
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I pass on him until the later rounds because of the knee. I was hoping we'd be able to nab him at 2-1 prior to the Combine.
 
thunderkyss said:
Cyrus Kouandjio... are you interested if he falls to 2-1? Or are you not interested because of the arthritic knee?

Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Antonio Richardson. What are the odds of one of these guys being there at 2-1? I'm drawing the line at Zack Martin, I think those 4 are excellent OT prospects, I'm worried about Cyrus' knee & I think Moses & Richardson are very good prospects.

I'd be open to taking a QB in the first, if I could get one of these guys in the second.
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kiwitexansfan said:
I'd pass on Kouandijo at 2:1. 3:1 probably take a punt.
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thunderkyss said:
Because of the knee? The poor combine? Or you never really liked him to begin with?
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kiwitexansfan said:
The knee. I like him as a prospect had him at 30 on my big board but don't want to invest good draft picks in a guy who could be a walking time bomb.
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steelbtexan said:
Yep,

I would have to pass on him after the B.Williams fiasco.
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The Pencil Neck said:
I pass on him until the later rounds because of the knee. I was hoping we'd be able to nab him at 2-1 prior to the Combine.
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Didn't our friendly neighborhood sports doctor post something about Kouandjio being perpetually subject to knee issues basically because of his being knock-kneed and so large...?

can't find that post right now....
 
thunderkyss said:
Cyrus Kouandjio... are you interested if he falls to 2-1? Or are you not interested because of the arthritic knee?

Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Antonio Richardson. What are the odds of one of these guys being there at 2-1? I'm drawing the line at Zack Martin, I think those 4 are excellent OT prospects, I'm worried about Cyrus' knee & I think Moses & Richardson are very good prospects.

I'd be open to taking a QB in the first, if I could get one of these guys in the second.
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kiwitexansfan said:
I'd pass on Kouandijo at 2:1. 3:1 probably take a punt.
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thunderkyss said:
Because of the knee? The poor combine? Or you never really liked him to begin with?
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kiwitexansfan said:
The knee. I like him as a prospect had him at 30 on my big board but don't want to invest good draft picks in a guy who could be a walking time bomb.
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steelbtexan said:
Yep,

I would have to pass on him after the B.Williams fiasco.
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The Pencil Neck said:
I pass on him until the later rounds because of the knee. I was hoping we'd be able to nab him at 2-1 prior to the Combine.
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Didn't our friendly neighborhood sports doctor post something about Kouandjio being perpetually subject to knee issues basically because of his being knock-kneed and so large...?

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CloakNNNdagger said:
His brother has suffered through multiple knee injuries. I found that he was diagnosed as having problems related to patellar subluxation. It would be quite unusual to see this be diagnosed as "congenital" form so late. These are usually diagnosed before 6-7 years old and addressed surgically quickly before it can lead to significant adulthood problems. You can see this condition develop secondarily in knock-kneed adults that have put on large amounts of weight. Arie definitely looks knock-keed.

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ObsiWan said:
Didn't our friendly neighborhood sports doctor post something about Kouandjio being perpetually subject to knee issues basically because of his being knock-kneed and so large...?

Edit (found it)
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I don't think Cyrus' problem is due to the knock-kneed issue. He failed his physical, because arthritis set up in his knee after an MCL surgery.
 
thunderkyss said:
Cyrus Kouandjio... are you interested if he falls to 2-1? Or are you not interested because of the arthritic knee?
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I agree with Kiwi and SteelB, I'd take Kouandjio off my board if I were the Texans unless we can get him really late or as an UDFA, then he might be worth the risk.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think Cyrus' problem is due to the knock-kneed issue. He failed his physical, because arthritis set up in his knee after an MCL surgery.
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Smarter than Doc again? He and I disagree sometimes on effects of injuries for example I don't think Cushing's loss of lateral agility is as great as he does (present but not as significant) but never seen him wrong on a diagnosis yet.

To the original question - wouldn't take him until a couple rounds after his talent level so 4th or later.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think Cyrus' problem is due to the knock-kneed issue. He failed his physical, because arthritis set up in his knee after an MCL surgery.
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Cyrus Kouandjio should have been so lucky as to have suffered only a medial meniscus injury. It is unfotunate that his surgery has been commonly misreported as a surgery for a medial meniscus tear. In actuality, Kouandjio underwent ACL surgery during his freshman year at Alabama and his present issues appear to be related to that injury. As I have related numerous times in previous threads, all ACL tears are not the same. The associated injuries (other ligaments, meniscus and articular cartilage) often determine the ACL outcome and recovery. This appears to be a case where the articular cartilage was significantly injured. Most common and most worrisome is when the lateral (outside) surface is damaged. Progression of and from the cartilate damage then leads to arthritis.

Even if Cyrus had excellent repair of his AC under the circumstances described above, progression of the already cartilage-severely damaged joint would be expected to progress to arthritis.......and eventually to knee replacement.

And as for having knock knees, I haven't found a good full length picture to definitely prove or refute this type stature in Cyrus. However, if a sibling of similar height and weight has it, it would not be uncommon for them to share similar characteristics. Just for the record, if Cyrus does have any degree of knock knee, it would in itself automatically place the knee joint under extra pressure (actually very great extra pressure due to Cyrus' size), especially on that most important lateral (outside) surface of the joint [See the middle depiction of knock knee in the figure below]. This alone would likely lead to the wear-grind down of cartilage, which would lead to arthritis in later life.........and eventually require joint replacement. Also keep in mind that if he does have an element of knock knee, repair of his ACL does not correct this condition.......and the condition would continue to contribute to the deterioration of an already damaged knee joint.


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In any event, there is good reason for teams to demonstrate caution in their approach to this big man.
 
I wasn't high on Kouandijo even before this came out and I'm certainly not now. His high grades were based off of last year's tape with Warmack playing next to him making him look better. He was okay this year, above average at best.

He's off my board for the Texans. Let another team take that risk and see if it pays off. He seems like a good kid so hopefully it does.

I think one of Richardson/Moses could be there at #33, likely Moses. Both are RTs with little chance of ever being a LT so I'll pass and take a better player.

You can get a solid RT later in the draft. One of JuWaun James/Joel Bitonio in the 3rd. Billy Turner/Wesley Johnson in the 4th. Michael Schofield in the 5th.
 
For those interested, it is felt that the knock knee condition in an athlete predisposes that athlete to ACL injury. A number of recent studies have shown that young female athletes sustain more ACL injuries than young males. In fact, depending on the study, young women are two to eight times more likely than their male counterparts to injure that ligament.

There are many different theories as to why young women suffer a higher rate of ACL injuries. But one of the foremost is that women in general have more of a knock-knee alignment, and that this alignment, even when mild, tends to bend inward when women land, thus predisposing women to ACL injuries.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
For those interested, it is felt that the knock knee condition in an athlete predisposes that athlete to ACL injury. A number of recent studies have shown that young female athletes sustain more ACL injuries than young males. In fact, depending on the study, young women are two to eight times more likely than their male counterparts to injure that ligament.

There are many different theories as to why young women suffer a higher rate of ACL injuries. But one of the foremost is that women in general have more of a knock-knee alignment, and that this alignment, even when mild, tends to bend inward when women land, thus predisposing women to ACL injuries.
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That's the Q-Angle, right?
 
My 1 1/2 cents: cannot afford to take risks on players with knee injuries. K and A. Richardson off my board. Still think we can draft J. James for RT. Do we take chance Quessenberry for LG after only minimal TC exposure? Qb regardless of whom needs solid Oline and a healthy RB.
 
So you're saying men that get ACL tears have woman knees. Interesting...

EDIT: This is a joke, not to be taken seriously, but since I can't delete this whole post I will just leave this poor attempt at a joke up.
 
bah007 said:
I wasn't high on Kouandijo even before this came out and I'm certainly not now. His high grades were based off of last year's tape with Warmack playing next to him making him look better. He was okay this year, above average at best.

He's off my board for the Texans. Let another team take that risk and see if it pays off. He seems like a good kid so hopefully it does.

I think one of Richardson/Moses could be there at #33, likely Moses. Both are RTs with little chance of ever being a LT so I'll pass and take a better player.

You can get a solid RT later in the draft. One of JuWaun James/Joel Bitonio in the 3rd. Billy Turner/Wesley Johnson in the 4th. Michael Schofield in the 5th.
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Where does Seantrel Henderson fit on your list? I know that he has off the field issues, and some injury issues, but I've also read that he has all the tools to be a good pro but seems to lack the proper motivation. I read a post on another site, by someone claiming to know him personally, who stated that Seantrel has the size, strength, and quickness to be an NFL OT, but that he is LAZY and doesn't like working out. He sounds like someone who needs the proper motivation and structure of an NFL team.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
And as for having knock knees, I haven't found a good full length picture to definitely prove or refute this type stature in Cyrus.
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So you didn't say his knee issue was due to being knock-kneed? & some folk misinterpreted what you did say?

CloakNNNdagger said:
However, if a sibling of similar height and weight has it, it would not be uncommon for them to share similar characteristics. Just for the record, if Cyrus does have any degree of knock knee, it would in itself automatically place the knee joint under extra pressure (actually very great extra pressure due to Cyrus' size), especially on that most important lateral (outside) surface of the joint [See the middle depiction of knock knee in the figure below]. This alone would likely lead to the wear-grind down of cartilage, which would lead to arthritis in later life.........and eventually require joint replacement. Also keep in mind that if he does have an element of knock knee, repair of his ACL does not correct this condition.......and the condition would continue to contribute to the deterioration of an already damaged knee joint.


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In any event, there is good reason for teams to demonstrate caution in their approach to this big man.
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Understood, thanks for being so thorough.
 
thunderkyss said:
So you didn't say his knee issue was due to being knock-kneed? & some folk misinterpreted what you did say?




Understood, thanks for being so thorough.
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Appreciate the comment.

If one reads my initial post, the knock knee comment was related to his brother's main problem.......recurrent subluxing (displacing) patella. Just wanted to point out that adult form subluxing patella is not genetic. And knock knee can be isolated genetic (meaning congenital-present since birth) but still not be familial (run in families). And I could not find definitive evidence that Cyrus was knock kneed either in pictures or in print.

Whatever, may be the case, he has evidently destroyed significant cartilage, secondary to a major ACL injury that we know at least know took out his medial meniscus........and very likely other supporting ligaments. And, if knock knee exists, it only serves to be an additional complicating factor to his injury, recovery, and long-term prognosis.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Where does Seantrel Henderson fit on your list? I know that he has off the field issues, and some injury issues, but I've also read that he has all the tools to be a good pro but seems to lack the proper motivation. I read a post on another site, by someone claiming to know him personally, who stated that Seantrel has the size, strength, and quickness to be an NFL OT, but that he is LAZY and doesn't like working out. He sounds like someone who needs the proper motivation and structure of an NFL team.
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I have him rated as a 4th round prospect. His physical tools probably rate as a 2nd rounder but he has the mental makeup of a 6th rounder. So his value is probably right in the middle. I don't want the Texans to take him unless they can grab him later than that. If he reaches his potential he could be special, but if that switch hasn't flipped on yet it's not likely it ever will be. Not a risk I think the Texans should take.
 
bah007 said:
I have him rated as a 4th round prospect. His physical tools probably rate as a 2nd rounder but he has the mental makeup of a 6th rounder. So his value is probably right in the middle. I don't want the Texans to take him unless they can grab him later than that. If he reaches his potential he could be special, but if that switch hasn't flipped on yet it's not likely it ever will be. Not a risk I think the Texans should take.
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Mental tools more like a 6th grader. To mention a few, multiple suspensions for team rules infractions. Then last summer when, in between funerals for a close friend and an aunt, he was involved in a car accident, sustaining a concussion (He was driving with an expired license and ran a red light, crashing into a car carrying a family of six). We don't really need another Montgomery this year.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I can see how my original post could have been a little confusing. Nevertheless, I will be looking forward to seeing Cyrus on football Sunday somewhere, to see if he is or is not indeed knock kneed.:)
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I need to read your posts more carefully. Sorry about that.
 
bah007 said:
I wasn't high on Kouandijo even before this came out and I'm certainly not now. His high grades were based off of last year's tape with Warmack playing next to him making him look better. He was okay this year, above average at best.

He's off my board for the Texans. Let another team take that risk and see if it pays off. He seems like a good kid so hopefully it does.

I think one of Richardson/Moses could be there at #33, likely Moses. Both are RTs with little chance of ever being a LT so I'll pass and take a better player.

You can get a solid RT later in the draft. One of JuWaun James/Joel Bitonio in the 3rd. Billy Turner/Wesley Johnson in the 4th. Michael Schofield in the 5th.
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What's your opinion on Cameron Fleming-OT from Stanford. He's got 3 yrs. starting experience, all at RT, and has great NFL size for the position. The guys also graduating Stanford this spring with a degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, so he's got brains. Take him maybe in the 4th or 5th round if we haven't been able to find value at OT earlier in the draft.
 
Wolf6151 said:
What's your opinion on Cameron Fleming-OT from Stanford. He's got 3 yrs. starting experience, all at RT, and has great NFL size for the position. The guys also graduating Stanford this spring with a degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, so he's got brains. Take him maybe in the 4th or 5th round if we haven't been able to find value at OT earlier in the draft.
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he should come to work for me...
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We don't care about any combine numbers
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Mental tools more like a 6th grader. To mention a few, multiple suspensions for team rules infractions. Then last summer when, in between funerals for a close friend and an aunt, he was involved in a car accident, sustaining a concussion (He was driving with an expired license and ran a red light, crashing into a car carrying a family of six). We don't really need another Montgomery this year.
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I agree with you. If he's there late in the draft his talent might be worth a shot, but I don't think he has much chance of ever becoming what he has the potential to be.

He's the kind of kid who has never been held responsible for his own actions because his talent in football was so great that it got him out of every jam he got himself into. I don't know if you can break that at this point.
 
Wolf6151 said:
What's your opinion on Cameron Fleming-OT from Stanford. He's got 3 yrs. starting experience, all at RT, and has great NFL size for the position. The guys also graduating Stanford this spring with a degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, so he's got brains. Take him maybe in the 4th or 5th round if we haven't been able to find value at OT earlier in the draft.
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I have him graded 4th round. He's a RT all the way. Excellent run blocker but suspect pass blocker. He seems to move incredibly slow, which is obviously not ideal. Because of the offense at Stanford, his weaknesses are masked pretty well. This is not a guy who you want to ask to move very much. His feet are so bad he may even have to move to RG, despite his height. He would be best off being drafted by a run heavy team who won't ask him to do very much.

I do respect his intelligence and he seems to have a very good head on his shoulders. Seems to take coaching very well. I think if he lands on the right team he will be successful.
 
Wolf6151 said:
What's your opinion on Cameron Fleming-OT from Stanford. He's got 3 yrs. starting experience, all at RT, and has great NFL size for the position. The guys also graduating Stanford this spring with a degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics, so he's got brains. Take him maybe in the 4th or 5th round if we haven't been able to find value at OT earlier in the draft.
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As Bah007 has pointed out, he is far from light on his feet. I can't see him playing other than interior line in the NFL. Good thing, his injury history is limited to only an ankle injury in 2011 in which he only missed 2 games......no problems since. One thing of concern to me is that every write-up of his performance that I've read never fails to point out that he does not have aggressive or nasty play. Maybe this could be affected with flanking teammates being equipped with concealable cattle prods.:pirate:
 
bah007 said:
I have him graded 4th round. He's a RT all the way. Excellent run blocker but suspect pass blocker. He seems to move incredibly slow, which is obviously not ideal. Because of the offense at Stanford, his weaknesses are masked pretty well. This is not a guy who you want to ask to move very much. His feet are so bad he may even have to move to RG, despite his height. He would be best off being drafted by a run heavy team who won't ask him to do very much.

I do respect his intelligence and he seems to have a very good head on his shoulders. Seems to take coaching very well. I think if he lands on the right team he will be successful.
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This was my opinion as well from reading between the lines of his evaluations. Technique can be coached up, but speed and quickness, not so much.

Where do you see James Hurst-OT from North Carolina? I'm thinking 4th or 5th round due to his injury and the fact that he can't workout for teams. He also needs to add probably 20 lbs. of weight but I think that will come quickly once he gets on a NFL S&C program. The injury as I understand it was a broken left leg but as I understand it bones heal better than tendons do. CND feel free to correct me if that's not right. I think he could be good for a team that can afford to let him come along slowly, maybe even on their IR list depending on the severity of the broken bone, and maybe even miss his entire rookie season.
 
Wolf6151 said:
This was my opinion as well from reading between the lines of his evaluations. Technique can be coached up, but speed and quickness, not so much.

Where do you see James Hurst-OT from North Carolina? I'm thinking 4th or 5th round due to his injury and the fact that he can't workout for teams. He also needs to add probably 20 lbs. of weight but I think that will come quickly once he gets on a NFL S&C program. The injury as I understand it was a broken left leg but as I understand it bones heal better than tendons do. CND feel free to correct me if that's not right. I think he could be good for a team that can afford to let him come along slowly, maybe even on their IR list depending on the severity of the broken bone, and maybe even miss his entire rookie season.
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I have him going late 3rd round, despite the injury. Non-displaced fibula fracture is what I've read, which should have no lingering effects as long as it is allowed to heal properly. CND can step in if I'm wrong on that.

I think he's a guy that could be an above average RT/LG or an average LT. Fits a variety of offensive schemes, solid but unspectacular player. Good pass protector, good run blocker, good athleticism.
 
bah007 said:
I have him going late 3rd round, despite the injury. Non-displaced fibula fracture is what I've read, which should have no lingering effects as long as it is allowed to heal properly. CND can step in if I'm wrong on that.

I think he's a guy that could be an above average RT/LG or an average LT. Fits a variety of offensive schemes, solid but unspectacular player. Good pass protector, good run blocker, good athleticism.
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Good fit for the Texans at 4-1.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Where do you see James Hurst-OT from North Carolina? I'm thinking 4th or 5th round due to his injury and the fact that he can't workout for teams. He also needs to add probably 20 lbs. of weight but I think that will come quickly once he gets on a NFL S&C program. The injury as I understand it was a broken left leg but as I understand it bones heal better than tendons do. CND feel free to correct me if that's not right. I think he could be good for a team that can afford to let him come along slowly, maybe even on their IR list depending on the severity of the broken bone, and maybe even miss his entire rookie season.
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I'm a big fan of Hurst although I think he is a limited athletically. Good pass blocker and a very good technician in the run game. He's not a mauler though and doesn't play with a whole lot of power. I'm also not sure he could put on 20 lbs. His frame looks pretty maxed out. He looks like purely a ZBS guy to me, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I had him at late 2nd - early 3rd before the injury. Probably falls to the 4th now.
 
Wolf6151 said:
This was my opinion as well from reading between the lines of his evaluations. Technique can be coached up, but speed and quickness, not so much.

Where do you see James Hurst-OT from North Carolina? I'm thinking 4th or 5th round due to his injury and the fact that he can't workout for teams. He also needs to add probably 20 lbs. of weight but I think that will come quickly once he gets on a NFL S&C program. The injury as I understand it was a broken left leg but as I understand it bones heal better than tendons do. CND feel free to correct me if that's not right. I think he could be good for a team that can afford to let him come along slowly, maybe even on their IR list depending on the severity of the broken bone, and maybe even miss his entire rookie season.
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bah007 said:
I have him going late 3rd round, despite the injury. Non-displaced fibula fracture is what I've read, which should have no lingering effects as long as it is allowed to heal properly. CND can step in if I'm wrong on that.

I think he's a guy that could be an above average RT/LG or an average LT. Fits a variety of offensive schemes, solid but unspectacular player. Good pass protector, good run blocker, good athleticism.
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Both of you are absolutely correct..............Hurst may be rusty, but should be good to go by his Pro Day.......and should have no long term effects from this injury.
 
2014 Pro Days: Jake Matthews draws crowd at Texas A&M workout
After directing Auburn's Greg Robinson, NFLDraftScout.com's No. 2 overall prospect, through his position-specific routine Tuesday, Rams offensive line coach Paul Boudreau pushed Texas A&M offensive tackle Jake Matthews -- our third-ranked prospect -- through drills in College Station, Texas, at the Aggies' pro day Wednesday.

The Rams contingent included general manager Les Snead, widely regarded as the top target to deal down in the 2014 draft from No. 2. Because St. Louis is set at defensive end and, as the Rams maintain, quarterback, moving down would open the possibility of drafting Matthews, projected to be drafted anywhere from No. 6-12. Boudreau is a 27-year veteran with a notable list of first-round pick pupils including seven-time Pro Bowl tackle Orlando Pace, left tackle Todd Steussie (Vikings, Panthers) and Lomas Brown (Lions)...

Bills general manager Doug Whaley and Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert -- teams with needs at offensive tackle -- were also spotted Wednesday. The Atlanta Falcons were represented and general manager Thomas Dimitroff has spoken highly of Matthews. Atlanta owns the sixth overall pick; the Bills pick ninth...
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Cyrus Kouandjio should have been so lucky as to have suffered only a medial meniscus injury....
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In any event, there is good reason for teams to demonstrate caution in their approach to this big man.
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Dr. James Andrews says no issues with Cyrus Kouandjio's knee
Dr. James Andrews is sending a medical update to every NFL team to clear up what he calls misinformation about the health of Alabama tackle Cyrus Kouandjio.

A report during the NFL combine indicated that Kouandjio, a potential first-round pick, had failed several physicals in Indianapolis as a result of a "failed" surgery on his knee in college.

Andrews, who did not perform Kouandjio's surgery, dismissed the notion that the surgery was botched and has continued to evaluate the player regularly as he continues his training for Alabama's pro day (Andrews works closely with the Alabama program and has been abreast of the tackle's knee since he arrived on campus).

Kouandjio's performance at the combine was poor -- something he has acknowledged to those close to him and that he is aiming to overcome as he works out for teams in the future. But the tackle's showing was unrelated to his knee, according to Andrews as well as Alabama team doctor Lyle Cain, who performed the surgery...
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Brandon Thomas,
whose stock has been on a steady rise the past two months, further improved his draft grade today. Thomas looked terrific in position drills, effortlessly moving around the field. I'm told just about every team in attendance to watch Thomas today has him affixed to their tackle board rather than guard. People I've spoken with feel he's moved into the draft's initial 45 picks and could end up landing in the late part of round one depending how early Zach Martin comes off the board.
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