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Playoffs said:
So who will weigh more? A 6'0" Manziel or a 6'1½" Bridgewater???
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Those heights aren't official yet are they?

I'll stick with my expectations of Manziel at 190-195 and Bridgewater around 205.

Btw, Bovada has Manziel line at 4.49, Watkins 4.32, Clowney 4.5, Eisen 6.05.
 
Playoffs said:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
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I won't be surprised if Clowney has a better 40. Big feet gives an athlete good traction.......a perfect setup for Manziel's stop, start, quick change of direction elusiveness. But it's just like a large low gear on a bicycle. In a straight ahead 40, large feet are a detriment..........a higher small gear (smaller feet) is an advantage.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I won't be surprised if Clowney has a better 40. Big feet gives an athlete good traction.......a perfect setup for Manziel's stop, start, quick change of direction elusiveness. But it's just like a large low gear on a bicycle. In a straight ahead 40, large feet are a detriment..........a higher small gear (smaller feet) is an advantage.
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Possibly, but I'm betting Manziel's 3-cone (which I tend to think is more akin to scrambling) will be smokin'
 
Playoffs said:
So who will weigh more? A 6'0" Manziel or a 6'1½" Bridgewater???
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No way we draft a QB who isn't at least 6'3" with the #1 overall pick.

Somewhere deep in the 3rd round.... understandable.

Even a 2nd rounder. Late first. But 1.1

No way.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Here's what Eric Galko, the Director of Scouting for Optimum Scouting and lead editor of www.OptimumScouting.com., lead NFL Draft analyst for Sporting News and regular contributor at National Football Post and TheFootballEducator.com as well, had to say about Manziel. When I read this, I find it hard to argue with.

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Then again, they all whiff on somebody, especially before the combine.

@OptimumScout tweet from 2/9/11 - "Not sold on Watt because he has a lowish ceiling" :kitten:

I see Manziel as the biggest risk in the top 15...with potentially as great a reward. He definitely will need to stay in the pocket more often to avoid RG3-level injuries.
 
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It was 3rd down with 1 yard to go for a first. I call a simple trap play. All you gotta do is hand off the ball...

But, nooooo, you decide to pull it out, scramble backwards 33 yards for 45 seconds, throw up a 34 yard Hail Mary with two guys draped over you that Evans has to go into orbit to catch for net... one... yard... first... down.

You're killing me, Johnny, you're killing me!
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yup
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I find it hard to believe Manziel would open his mouth just a few days ago & say definitively that he was going to measure 6 feet even & he actually not be that....especially having had the time to work on his posture, the NFL's measuring techniques and knowing that the he'll be measured at the combine just a few days later.
 
matts290 said:
So you wouldn't draft Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers first overall?
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Show me one of your posts where you stated the Texans should have drafted Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers in the first round. We didn't have the 1st overall pick but I don't remember anyone at anytime saying we should use a 1st round pick on any of them.

I understand there were no Texans when Brees fell out of the 1st, still I don't remember the, "I can't believe Brees fell to the second round" chatter.

Now if you want to use hindsight & draft these guys, wait 'till next year & tell us what we should have done. Until then, guys like Andrew Luck & Phillip Rivers will continue to go before guys like Johnny Manziel & Teddy Bridgewater.
 
thunderkyss said:
Show me one of your posts where you stated the Texans should have drafted Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers in the first round. We didn't have the 1st overall pick but I don't remember anyone at anytime saying we should use a 1st round pick on any of them.

I understand there were no Texans when Brees fell out of the 1st, still I don't remember the, "I can't believe Brees fell to the second round" chatter.

Now if you want to use hindsight & draft these guys, wait 'till next year & tell us what we should have done. Until then, guys like Andrew Luck & Phillip Rivers will continue to go before guys like Johnny Manziel & Teddy Bridgewater.
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Once again the point has gone so far over your head that you didn't even know it was there.

You said
No way we draft a QB who isn't at least 6'3" with the #1 overall pick.
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But, haven't these guys I mentioned above proved that their is no magical mark of height that you have to be? This isn't 1998.

We need a QB, and if they best once available happens to not be this magical 6"3, do we not take him and just pick the tallest guy we can.

I think the whole underlying point of your post is that AJ McCarron happens to be listed at 6"4, so he qualifies for a first overall pick in your mind and posting this is just another subtle way to push him up while still not having to admit he is your guy.
 
My son was on the A&M coaching staff... there's no problem with JM's work ethic regarding football, it's off the field where there's questions.-- Bill Polian
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Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
Just talked to Manziel. Looking forward to talking w media tomorrow. Says he's 6 feet; might have to stretch him to get there.
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I don't care if JM checks in at 6'6". He is not going #1 to any team. His game just has too many question marks with regards to translating to the NFL.
 
Blake said:
I don't care if JM checks in at 6'6". He is not going #1 to any team. His game just has too many question marks with regards to translating to the NFL.
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Especially for the Texans. OB has always insisted on a QB which will adhere to STRUCTURE. Manziel has shown this ability in neither his personal life nor on the field.
 
matts290 said:
Once again the point has gone so far over your head that you didn't even know it was there.

You said


But, haven't these guys I mentioned above proved that their is no magical mark of height that you have to be? This isn't 1998.

We need a QB, and if they best once available happens to not be this magical 6"3, do we not take him and just pick the tallest guy we can.

I think the whole underlying point of your post is that AJ McCarron happens to be listed at 6"4, so he qualifies for a first overall pick in your mind and posting this is just another subtle way to push him up while still not having to admit he is your guy.
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For whatever reason people want to believe I've got an ulterior motive. But I say what I mean. I'm not going to take "the best QB" at 1 overall if he's not 6'3" minimum. I've been pretty clear on this.

& as long as I believe 4 or more of the QBs I want will be on the board at 2.1, I'm not going to take a QB at all in the first. Chances are there are better options.

At least three prototypical LTs, two prototypical #1 WRs, a freak of a DE, two bonafide All-Pro ILBs.... but I'm going to take a 5'10" QB who's game won't translate to the NFL? or a guy with the leadership wherewithal of Matt Schaub?

I don't think so.

Just because Russell Wilson had a 70% chance of being successful in the NFL & made good of it, doesn't mean we should take a 70% propect over a 90% prospect.
 
thunderkyss said:
For whatever reason people want to believe I've got an ulterior motive. But I say what I mean. I'm not going to take "the best QB" at 1 overall if he's not 6'3" minimum. I've been pretty clear on this.

& as long as I believe 4 or more of the QBs I want will be on the board at 2.1, I'm not going to take a QB at all in the first. Chances are there are better options.

At least three prototypical LTs, two prototypical #1 WRs, a freak of a DE, two bonafide All-Pro ILBs.... but I'm going to take a 5'10" QB who's game won't translate to the NFL? or a guy with the leadership wherewithal of Matt Schaub?

I don't think so.

Just because Russell Wilson had a 70% chance of being successful in the NFL & made good of it, doesn't mean we should take a 70% propect over a 90% prospect.
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You say you won't take a QB #1 who is not at least 6'3", then go on to say you won't take a short QB who's game won't translate to the NFL.

Why would ANYONE take a QB of ANY SIZE whos game won't translate to the NFL?
 
Blake said:
You say you won't take a QB #1 who is not at least 6'3", then go on to say you won't take a short QB who's game won't translate to the NFL.

Why would ANYONE take a QB of ANY SIZE whos game won't translate to the NFL?
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It's a gamble, no matter who we pick or don't pick. There are thousands of factors that will come into the equation after the draft & it's just too hard to predict (Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Akili Smith).

All we can do is stack the deck in our favor as much as we can with what we know before the draft. Height, weight, arm strength, level of competition, all of it.

I will draft a Logan Thomas, even though his game may not translate to the NFL, because he's got all the tools. Maybe I can teach him to perform at a high level. Of course, I'd have to get him at what I believe to be good value, compared to the other talent available. I'd draft Manziel under the right circumstances. But #1 overall is not the right circumstance. I like him at 15~16, If we trade down to the 10th or 11th pick (along with the appropriate compensation) I'd take him there. That's not to say I think he's a 10th round selection so I might as well take him with the #1 overall..... no.

He's a reach I'm willing to take at 10~11 if I didn't feel as good about the other 4 or 5 QBs I like which are likely to still be on the board.
 
I am starting to think Manziel is the ultimate boom or bust, most teams wont touch him that high, but it only takes one.
 
thunderkyss said:
All we can do is stack the deck in our favor as much as we can with what we know before the draft. Height, weight, arm strength, level of competition, all of it.
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And herein lies your fatal flaw, you constantly spew out these 3 or 4 "qualifications" as to what you think makes a college QB a good prospect, but where you fail is actually analyzing their specific skill set and concluding just how good of a player they are.

You see Bridgewater as shorter than McCarron and think thats a win for McCarron.

You see Manziel as playing on a talented team but not winning 2 national championships like McCarron and think thats a win for AJ.

You see Bortles and the weak conference he played in and think that is a win for McCarron because he played stiffer competition.

What you don't see (and by your own admission you don't watch CFB) is how talented and skilled these guys are as quarterbacks. If you did see this, you would conclude the same things that 100s of professional scouts have...and that is that McCarron is a inferior player to Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgwater.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Johnny Manziel getting some tutoring from Kevin O'Donnell an Ex-Bill O'Brien QB.

Does this mean anything?
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It means that he is preparing to try and impress O'Brien by working with someone who knows him well. Don't think it means anything more than that... like somehow O'Donnell will influence O'Brien to take Manziel because they have past ties (and Irish names) IE the same theory with Bortles and O'Leary
 
matts290 said:
What you don't see (and by your own admission you don't watch CFB) is how talented and skilled these guys are as quarterbacks. If you did see this, you would conclude the same things that 100s of professional scouts have...and that is that McCarron is a inferior player to Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgwater.
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I do not think McCarron is superior to anyone in this draft. At the same time, I don't think Bortles is superior to anyone in this draft. I don't argue that Bridgewater & Manziel are the two best QBs in this draft.

The only thing I argue is the separation between them.

Say, how did those 100s of professionals rate Wilson, Foles, & Cousins compared to Weeden & Osweiler?
 
Eh, no significant difference in his measureables from what he was reported to be in college.

That to me suggests his work with Whitfield has been more chalkboard than anything.

& if that's the case, it falls in line with what Cosell and a few others have said about him.
 
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