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Texans Reportedly leaning Bortles/Manziel

Brisco_County said:
The "trusted source" is the office of Rick Smith. It's a deliberate leak intended to send a message to the Browns that they shouldn't bet on Manziel making it past #1.
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If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.
 
No credible organization with a deliberate decision making process would ever come to any concrete or mature point in the process without all or nearly all the data. To suggest they have narrowed the field to two players before the combine, pro days, and interviews not to mention OB still putting together his staff is beyond absurd. No credible person could find it acceptable.
 
jradMIT said:
No credible organization with a deliberate decision making process would ever come to any concrete or mature point in the process without all or nearly all the data. To suggest they have narrowed the field to two players before the combine, pro days, and interviews not to mention OB still putting together his staff is beyond absurd. No credible person could find it acceptable.
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I agree with you but just to play devil's advocate, it isn't that crazy to think we're 'leaning' one way or another.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.
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If you're a franchise who wants Clowney, the only thing you "know" is that the only guaranteed way to get Clowney is to trade with Houston at 1-1.
The Texans could conceivably trade the pick to a different team who takes Clowney.
 
michaelm said:
If you're a franchise who wants Clowney, the only thing you "know" is that the only guaranteed way to get Clowney is to trade with Houston at 1-1.
The Texans could conceivably trade the pick to a different team who takes Clowney.
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For instance Atlana or Oakland who would want a Clowney or Oakland wanting a QB. The only sure way to get the player you want in trade is to trade with Houston.

I could see this happening

1. Oakland- Bridgewater
2. Rams- Robinson
3. Jags-Bortles
4. Browns- Manziel
5. Hou- Clowney

I would be OK with Houston getting Robinson/Barr/Clowney at 5 and Oakland's 2nd this yr and a #1 in 2015.
 
This thread has become absurd.

We are creating conspiracy theories and hypotheticals, then shooting down the Conspiracy Theories and Hypotheticals of others.

It's almost time for me to pull the plug on the message board until the combines.

I probably won't though, because I'm stupid and read every post.
 
My source told me that his source told him that his source's source gave hints that HIS reliable sources' source (twice removed) told him that...

Texans MIGHT, could POSSIBLY, take a QB #1 overall....


Take it for what it's worth, but it is a pretty reliable source/sources...


I, for one, am stoked by that sources information! Bring on the draft...
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
By the way, the Texans don't favor any of the 3 QBs over the others at this point in scouting process. More than half the process remains.
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Playoffs said:
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
By the way, the Texans don't favor any of the 3 QBs over the others at this point in scouting process. More than half the process remains.
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And since McClain is always wrong, we now know that they have made their decision - it's just a matter of figuring out which of the three it is.:kitten::kitten:
 
thunderkyss said:
If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.
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You know nothing of the sort. The Texans have been quite good at letting everyone know that they have an interest in almost every top 6 player on the board. It is the point of maximizing offers for the 1-1. It is not a decision to trade, just a way of maximizing the value of the 1-1.

I can't believe there are so many over reactions to this game. We might choose any of the players mentioned or even one which is not in the picture now. If you want certainty about your guy, you have to deal with Houston - not St. Louis, not Jacksonville, not Cleveland, not Oakland and not Atlanta.

If we determine we have a guy we can't live without, then we arrange to get him. If we think 3 or 4 players are about equal, then we can maximize value by trading down just far enough to be certain of getting one of our choices. But we can only do this if there are differences of opinion in the various front offices.
 
Marshall said:
You know nothing of the sort. The Texans have been quite good at letting everyone know that they have an interest in almost every top 6 player on the board. It is the point of maximizing offers for the 1-1. It is not a decision to trade, just a way of maximizing the value of the 1-1.

I can't believe there are so many over reactions to this game.
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I understand your point, I agree with it. However, my reply was in reply to someone who said this "message" signals the Browns that they need to trade with us to get Manziel.

I believe this message (that we are leaning towards Bortles/Manziel) signals the Browns to start thinking about plan B
 
lol dumbass ESPN saying we should take Manziel because he is box office and Teddy doesn't have that rah rah ability, or exciting enough.
 
Playoffs said:
Matt Miller on the Bortles/Manziel chatter: "It's good information, but it's early."

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I found this section most interesting...
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1. ? 2. DT Stephon Tuitt 6'6" 312 (replaces Ninja) 3. ILB Shayne Skov 6'2 245 4. RT JuWaun James or Brandon Thomas 5. NT Ryan Carrethers 6'1" 330

I do not like idea of signing scrub FAs and hoping something lights a fire in them. Rather draft good prospects even if it takes a year or two. Cutting Schaub and A. Smith should get you the priority FA position coach wants (if any). Let's not mess up cap with Reed type FA. I am still thinking a huge trade down will occur.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we want Manziel at 1-1 we believe he is a franchise QB. What could Cleveland possibly offer a franchise a franchise QB away from a Championship? No, what this message does is put Clowney in play for the #2 slot.

If I'm a franchise who wanted Clowney, I now "know" he will be available at the #2 pick because Houston is going to take one of those two QBs. So I'm going to make a deal with the Rams to get Clowney.

If I'm Cleveland I'll make a deal for the #2 pick if Manziel is still there. If he isn't, I'll stay in my slot & execute plan B.

The only way I'd consider trading with Houston to get Manziel, is if I believed St. Louis or Jacksonville wanted him.
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It isn't so much how we evaluate Manziel but how a trade pardner does. If Browns really want him and they think we do also, they may offer more. We say "yeah, Manziel is a good QB and probably a HOF in your organization. We could maybe do with another QB IF you make it worth our while." Browns think "Texans have so many holes they might just give up 1-1 and go QB later or 2015."
 
The Jaguars weren't scrambling to assemble a coaching staff while also assessing their own players the last month.
 
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