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Texans Reportedly leaning Bortles/Manziel

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The Texans may bypass Clowney in the first round and draft Alabama outside linebacker Adrian Hubbard or Arkansas' Chris Smith at the top of the second round.
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According to trusted sources, the Texans are initially leaning towards taking either Blake Bortles or Johnny Manziel with the top pick. Although Manziel would obviously be the choice of owner Bob McNair, O'Brien is not sold that Manziel possesses the work ethic and intangibles necessary to be the face of a franchise.
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The Texans do not have the salary cap space needed to go get a nose tackle like Paul Soliai, so they could choose to target the unproven Al Woods or under-achieving Terrance Cody in free agency . Woods has slowly developed and improved in two seasons with the Steelers. Cody has the massive size and strength that Crennel loves in the middle of his defense. They also may attempt to lure free agent defensive end Tyson Jackson from the Chiefs; Jackson played for Crennel, and since he has not been a top performer, his price will be right.

The Texans will also need to add a big, physical inside linebacker to play next to Brian Cushing. They could look at Redskins' free agent Perry Riley to fill that role if the Redskins do no re-sign him before free agency begins
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Texecutioner said:
Because????
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I think Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in the class, and its not really close. The more I study the 3, TB is the only one that I think will have lasting success in the NFL. So... the fact that he is not even mentioned as a possibility has me worried.

I don't think Hubbard or Smith are good targets for a pass-rusher at the top of the 2nd.

I hate Cody as a player, and Woods is a never was. Might be a good rotation player, but I can't see him becoming a true starting NT. Jackson is interesting though (as a DE).

Incognito? Really? Dude is a tool, and an overrated player to boot.
 
rmartin65 said:
I think Bridgewater is clearly the best QB in the class, and its not really close. The more I study the 3, TB is the only one that I think will have lasting success in the NFL. So... the fact that he is not even mentioned as a possibility has me worried.
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I don't see this as a reason to be worried at all. This is just a case of you not liking these other prospects and you really liking Teddy. I do see concerns in Bridgewater personally, but I also see his upside just like I do with the other QB's.

rmartin65 said:
I I don't think Hubbard or Smith are good targets for a pass-rusher at the top of the 2nd.
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Why?



rmartin65 said:
I Incognito? Really? Dude is a tool, and an overrated player to boot.
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I think that Incognito would probably play well for a guy like O'Brien. We could probably get him on the cheap right now. Antonio Smith would be extremely happy about it as well. :brando:
 
beerlover said:
don't teams make a regular practice of deception & gamesmanship in order to drive up value in the first overall pick? just saying :kitten:
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Be wary of "sources".

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-7757.html

Just some scuttlebutt, but if (when?) the Houston Texans release Matt Schaub, the Raiders could be among the teams interested in the quarterback. Schematically, it isn’t a great fit, and Schaub is more a “systems” guy, but it’s said he has some fans in the organization and would be a stabilizing factor. . . . Speaking of the Texans, some solid team sources insist new coach Bill O’Brien isn’t as overboard on Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles as has been suggested in some quarters. “He’s keeping an open mind,” one source said. “The page is blank right now. People keep trying to connect the dots to the fact (Bortles) beat Penn State last year, but I wouldn’t make too much of that.”
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Why would any team with the #1 pick lean towards anyone in february before any interviews, combine or workouts?
 
Yeah I'm with stingray. I think a lot of bullcrap will be said by a lot of people and none will be more valid than the rest. I will wait to see what they do at combines and pro days and will trust Bill O'Brien to make the correct decision. Definitely not trusting Rick Smith though but I'm sure he won't have as much say-so in at least the QB drafting.
 
stingray said:
Why would any team with the #1 pick lean towards anyone in february before any interviews, combine or workouts?
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Because the players are judged on football play, and everything is already on tape.

Interview might put you off a player. Combine might reveal injury concerns. There are still some height/weight/speed relics around but let's hope OB is beyond the Al Davis school of drafting. Pro days are interesting, but you're not comparing guys and it's still not football.
 
From the OP

Although Manziel would obviously be the choice of owner Bob McNair,
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Why? Because he's from Texas? If McNair had an "obvious choice" I'd think it'd be Clowney before anyone else.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Why? Because he's from Texas? If McNair had an "obvious choice" I'd think it'd be Clowney before anyone else.
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Why is that? I think the most obvious thing which can be said about the Texans is they need a QB (which one is another matter).
 
infantrycak said:
Why is that? I think the most obvious thing which can be said about the Texans is they need a QB (which one is another matter).
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They're both Gamecocks.

Is this Russ guy just assuming Manziel's McNairs obvious choice? The point of my post was, how did he come to this conclusion?
 
Not worried in the least. January smoke screens. McNair just appeasing his pushy Aggie next door neighbor.

First pick will be a long snapper. :D
 
infantrycak said:
Why is that? I think the most obvious thing which can be said about the Texans is they need a QB (which one is another matter).
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I think his point is that the owner has not said much if anything about Manziel, while we have direct quotes from him discussing Clowney. Not to mention S.C. is his Alma Mater.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Is this Russ guy just assuming Manziel's McNairs obvious choice? The point of my post was, how did he come to this conclusion?
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I think either 1) some people think McNair went to A&M or 2) because he's so close that McNair "saw" all of the JFF uproar. Like cable television doesn't reach across the country.

I've seen same said about Jaguars "obvious" interest in Bortles because he's "right there in their back yard." Silly.
 
Playoffs said:
Because the players are judged on football play, and everything is already on tape.

Interview might put you off a player. Combine might reveal injury concerns. There are still some height/weight/speed relics around but let's hope OB is beyond the Al Davis school of drafting. Pro days are interesting, but you're not comparing guys and it's still not football.
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Agreed, so why would the Texans lean bortles and manziel over Teddy B. when Teddys play was just as good or better. I understand if they have them ranked higher than boyd because the tape shows that they played better than him.
 
Ive mentioned this before ....

Corrosion said:
I'll just say this - I've mentioned before that McNair is enamored with Manziel , its been ignored for the most part .... but hey , what do I know ?
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Corrosion said:
You don't realize how true a possibility Manziel really is .... there is talk that McNair is enamored with Manziel .... at #1.
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Cant cite the source .... but this isn't a joke or a smoke screen.
 
stingray said:
Agreed, so why would the Texans lean bortles and manziel over Teddy B. when Teddys play was just as good or better. I understand if they have them ranked higher than boyd because the tape shows that they played better than him.
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That goes to OB's preferences for his QB to run his offense. Up to him.
 
The point about Manziel being McNair's obvious choice is because of the Texas A&M fanbase around Houston, and all the attention JFF brings to the team.
 
Playoffs said:
I think either 1) some people think McNair went to A&M or 2) because he's so close that McNair "saw" all of the JFF uproar. Like cable television doesn't reach across the country.

I've seen same said about Jaguars "obvious" interest in Bortles because he's "right there in their back yard." Silly.
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And Tebow.
 
Matt Miller on the Bortles/Manziel chatter: "It's good information, but it's early."

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I found this section most interesting...
Problem: Transitioning their 34 defense.
Solution: To outsiders, the switch from Wade Phillips to Crennel should not be a huge adjustment because the Texans already play as 3-4 defense. But to those on the inside the difference is readily apparent. The Texans played what many scouts call the "small 3-4" under Phillips, which is similar to what the Chargers and Steelers have run in recent seasons.

The small 3-4 usually relies upon smaller, more athletic defensive linemen and linebackers to defeat blocks and make plays behind the line of scrimmage. On the other side of the spectrum is the "big 3-4" which the Patriots played for many years with Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork and Ty Warren and the Browns and Chiefs played under Coach Crennel. This defense is based on having large defensive linemen who can play two-gap defense and big linebackers who can play strong at the point of attack against blockers.

While the small 3-4 scheme is more of a one gap, penetrating defense, the larger one is based on building a seven-man (three defensive linemen and four linebackers) wall across the field that can shut down the run completely and punish receivers who catch short passes. J.J. Watt is talented enough to be a premier player in this scheme, nit the Texans need to find a big, 330+ pound nose tackle and another large defensive end to give them the powerful defensive line that this defense would require (Especially as they are not likely to re-sign 30-year old, big-budget defensive end Antonio Smith).

The Texans do not have the salary cap space needed to go get a nose tackle like Paul Soliai, so they could choose to target the unproven Al Woods or under-achieving Terrance Cody in free agency . Woods has slowly developed and improved in two seasons with the Steelers. Cody has the massive size and strength that Crennel loves in the middle of his defense. They also may attempt to lure free agent defensive end Tyson Jackson from the Chiefs; Jackson played for Crennel, and since he has not been a top performer, his price will be right.

The Texans will also need to add a big, physical inside linebacker to play next to Brian Cushing. They could look at Redskins' free agent Perry Riley to fill that role if the Redskins do no re-sign him before free agency begins
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stingray said:
Agreed, so why would the Texans lean bortles and manziel over Teddy B. when Teddys play was just as good or better. I understand if they have them ranked higher than boyd because the tape shows that they played better than him.
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Why would they lean to teddy over Manziel and Bortles when their play was just as good or better?
 
mussop said:
Why would they lean to teddy over Manziel and Bortles when their play was just as good or better?
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I guess you miss my point. I didnt say they need to lean towards Teddy. My point is that neither of the three have separated themselves on tape so why would you lean towards any or exclude one of the three in february. It smells like a classic smokescreen. Especially since obrien is a Bellichick disciple.
 
Corrosion said:
Ive mentioned this before ....





Cant cite the source .... but this isn't a joke or a smoke screen.
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If you make a claim but don't cite a source people tend to ignore it unless you've broken massive stories on here before national reporters do.

I think the problem with articles like this is that the writers themselves will sprinkle nuggets of sourced info along with their opinions and speculations mixed in and it's tough to separate the two. There's also the context in which the writer and the source had their conversation which rarely is in these articles because that takes too much time to get to the juicy details. So while we may read articles with "Sources close to the Texans" saying the organization/O'brien/McNair/Smith are leaning towards a specific player, we will probably never know how true it really is until the draft actually happens. Especially during this part of "no-mans land" of the offseason where FA hasn't started, and workouts have not taken place with potential draft picks. It's pretty much all speculation at this point because teams just aren't making many moves this time of year.
 
b0ng said:
If you make a claim but don't cite a source people tend to ignore it unless you've broken massive stories on here before national reporters do.
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No one on this forum has broken massive stories. The Texans have always played it pretty close to the vest. National reporters don't know anymore about the organization than you do.

That doesn't mean what I stated is credible or .... not. Take it for what its worth , some @$$hole on the interwebz talkin out the side of his neck.
 
stingray said:
I guess you miss my point. I didnt say they need to lean towards Teddy. My point is that neither of the three have separated themselves on tape so why would you lean towards any or exclude one of the three in february. It smells like a classic smokescreen. Especially since obrien is a Bellichick disciple.
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Now it makes sense. Sorry.
 
Corrosion said:
No one on this forum has broken massive stories. The Texans have always played it pretty close to the vest. National reporters don't know anymore about the organization than you do.

That doesn't mean what I stated is credible or .... not. Take it for what its worth , some @$$hole on the interwebz talkin out the side of his neck.
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I believe you. You've never been one to make stuff up. Why would you start now.
 
b0ng said:
I think the problem with articles like this is that the writers themselves will sprinkle nuggets of sourced info along with their opinions and speculations mixed in and it's tough to separate the two. There's also the context in which the writer and the source had their conversation which rarely is in these articles because that takes too much time to get to the juicy details. So while we may read articles with "Sources close to the Texans" saying the organization/O'brien/McNair/Smith are leaning towards a specific player, we will probably never know how true it really is until the draft actually happens. Especially during this part of "no-mans land" of the offseason where FA hasn't started, and workouts have not taken place with potential draft picks. It's pretty much all speculation at this point because teams just aren't making many moves this time of year.
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In football I never believe unless Shefty, Rap Sheet, or sometimes Glazer say it.

In basketball it's about the Woj.

Everything else is just heresay and speculation.
 
TexansFTW said:
In football I never believe unless Shefty, Rap Sheet, or sometimes Glazer say it.

In basketball it's about the Woj.

Everything else is just heresay and speculation.
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There are people on this forum with much closer ties to this team than anything the media could ever hope for.

This is also hearsay and speculation .... :texanbill:
 
Corrosion said:
There are people on this forum with much closer ties to this team than anything the media could ever hope for.

This is also hearsay and speculation .... :texanbill:
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I have it from a reliable source that the Texans are leaning Juan Futbol , a kicker .

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Corrosion said:
There are people on this forum with much closer ties to this team than anything the media could ever hope for.

This is also hearsay and speculation .... :texanbill:
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Some people are just more credible then others. My brother and OB have the same plumber and the plumber told him OB told him they were drafting Boyd #1 overall. So, we need to start paying more attention to the second round pick now.
 
HOU-TEX said:
From the OP



Why? Because he's from Texas? If McNair had an "obvious choice" I'd think it'd be Clowney before anyone else.
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I think it states that because in the article it cites that O'Brien isn't sold on Manziel. So they are basically trying to say if Manziel is picked it isn't an O'Brien pick so must be due to the owner. Kind of funny they just skip any thought process of Smith making the choice.

Anyway, like others already stated, it's way too early. Though talk like this does help generate trade talk if someone really wants Manziel....someone with two first round picks...someone who has shown to be inept in some of it's decisions...

So maybe we're trying to throw a dog a bone? :kitten:
 
I cant imagine Bob paying all the money to get O'Brien out of his Penn state contract. And then shove manziel I. His face and say "make do"

It isn't like Bob and the Carr situation where the coach is hired to fix the face of the "franchise" at that time
 
I don`t believe either one is worth the first pick. I expect both Clowney and Bridgewater to be taken in front of them. So if we were really targeting Bortles and Manziel I hope, we trade down.

I´d be both intrigued and frightened as hell if we`d select Manziel. Bortles might turn into a pretty good player that is clutch - think Big Ben. But there is a huge "might" in that sentence.

I´d be a lot more comfortable with Bridgewater. But I don`t think any prediction is worth a damn before the combine...
 
I like Bridgewater more than the other QB's, but I don't think he's that much further ahead of Bortles that I wouldn't consider it. If we could trade down to accumulate some extra picks and then take Bortles...I could definitely live with that.

If we don't trade down though, then I think Bridgewater should be the pick.
 
WolverineFan said:
I like Bridgewater more than the other QB's, but I don't think he's that much further ahead of Bortles that I wouldn't consider it. If we could trade down to accumulate some extra picks and then take Bortles...I could definitely live with that.

If we don't trade down though, then I think Bridgewater should be the pick.
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I agree with this statement 100%.
 
Wolf said:
I cant imagine Bob paying all the money to get O'Brien out of his Penn state contract. And then shove manziel I. His face and say "make do"

It isn't like Bob and the Carr situation where the coach is hired to fix the face of the "franchise" at that time
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It wasn't likely that Manziel was going to enter the draft when O'Brien was hired. So I doubt there was any consideration to JFF when he was given the job. I think McNair is still in love with Keenum. If there were any caveats to O'Brien taking the job I doubt it's more than Keenum actually being developed & competing for an opportunity.
 
thunderkyss said:
It wasn't likely that Manziel was going to enter the draft when O'Brien was hired. So I doubt there was any consideration to JFF when he was given the job. I think McNair is still in love with Keenum. If there were any caveats to O'Brien taking the job I doubt it's more than Keenum actually being developed & competing for an opportunity.
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O'Brien was officially hired on New Years Eve, the news broke in the middle of the A&M-Duke game at which time nearly everyone already assumed Manziel would be making the jump to the NFL and that his bowl game against Duke would be his last at A&M...8 days later Manziel officially declared for the draft just like everyone have been expecting him to do.
 
The "trusted source" is the office of Rick Smith. It's a deliberate leak intended to send a message to the Browns that they shouldn't bet on Manziel making it past #1.
 
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