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Teddy Bridgewater

steelbtexan said:
Let the record show that even after having a GOAT QB Dungy only participated in 1 SB. That people would think Dungy is all that dumbfounds me.
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What is the biggest argument against Manning being GOAT?

Shouldn't be hard to remember since the commentators are still talking about it building up to this SB.

By the way, is Belichick no longer a good coach because it has been 2 years longer since he won a SB than Dungy's tenure in Indy? Please don't go the participation badge route since participation doesn't mean anything to you in other conversations.

By the way, I have no particular affinity for Dungy and don't think he will make the Hall. Just think you are selling him short.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I mean why doesn't John Harbaugh get as much love as Dungy? They accomplished about the same things. Only Harbaugh has Flacco and Dungy had a GOAT.
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Harbaugh inherited one of the greatest defenses this league has ever seen. Dungy built one of the greatest defenses this league has ever seen (in Tampa Bay).

Big difference if you ask me.

But I still look at Harbaugh as a better coach than Dungy. If I had to chose between the two.... Harbaugh

The GM would have to be a great one though.
 
thunderkyss said:
I can see that, but he's one of the more competitive people I've seen in a long time. I doubt he'll be ready to step that far away from the game.
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It's not really that far from the game at all, plus he wouldn't have to put in hours and hours and hours and hours of work to do it. If he gets into coaching then so be it, but he's so good on camera that I have a feeling he'd be paid more to do pre-game/post-game stuff with fox or cbs.
 
steelbtexan said:
So Peyton made it to as many SB's with Caldwell as with Dungy?

Let the record show that even after having a GOAT QB Dungy only participated in 1 SB. That people would think Dungy is all that dumbfounds me.

I mean why doesn't John Harbaugh get as much love as Dungy? They accomplished about the same things. Only Harbaugh has Flacco and Dungy had a GOAT.
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The problem here is that you're downplaying what Dungy did in TB. That franchise suffered through 10 straight double digit loss seasons & were terrible for about a decade and a half before he was hired. Not only did he only have 1 losing season there, he nearly took them to the superbowl with Sean King at qb...& if it weren't for a bogus call (the 1st year of instant replay i believe) on an obvious reception by Bert Emanel, he just might've done it. The drafts he put together netted 2 DPOY in Sapp & Brooks, an OROY in Warrick Dunn & another potential HOF candidate cb in Ronde Barber. The "tampa 2" defense is only in NFL vernacular today b/c he made it popular with those dominant defenses he built there. The Bucs franchise profited good off of all those things alone for years & he left that franchise in a tremendously better situation than it was in when he got there.

I only remember all this b/c i was a huge fan of the bucs at the time...they were my team on NFL gameday/Madden on Sega Genesis....lol.

Harbaugh is a good coach, but he hasn't reached that level of influence...And at this point he's more known for having volatile locker rooms and a brother that coaches in the NFL as well.
 
Mr teX said:
The problem here is that you're downplaying what Dungy did in TB. That franchise suffered through 10 straight double digit loss seasons & were terrible for about a decade and a half before he was hired. Not only did he only have 1 losing season there, he nearly took them to the superbowl with Sean King at qb...& if it weren't for a bogus call (the 1st year of instant replay i believe) on an obvious reception by Bert Emanel, he just might've done it. The drafts he put together netted 2 DPOY in Sapp & Brooks, an OROY in Warrick Dunn & another potential HOF candidate cb in Ronde Barber. The "tampa 2" defense is only in NFL vernacular today b/c he made it popular with those dominant defenses he built there. The Bucs franchise profited good off of all those things alone for years & he left that franchise in a tremendously better situation than it was in when he got there.

I only remember all this b/c i was a huge fan of the bucs at the time...they were my team on NFL gameday/Madden on Sega Genesis....lol.

Harbaugh is a good coach, but he hasn't reached that level of influence...And at this point he's more known for having volatile locker rooms and a brother that coaches in the NFL as well.
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Yes, Monte Kiffin was a great DC and Dungy should get credit for hiring him.

Tell me more about Dungy's defense in Indy without Kiffin? Dungy did build a great team in Tampa and should get credit for that. However he should get very little credit for what was accomplished in Indy. In fact he held that franchise back with his conservative ways. Remember Peyton waving the punt team off of the field several times? Clearly Peyton was in charge of that team. Dungy was along for the ride.

I don't get why everybody in the media kisses Dungy's butt all of the time. Plus I've got very little respect for a man whose son hangs himself on a Tuesday and he coaches a football team the next Sunday. Then tries to come off as some kind of leader of young men.

I know most people buy into what Tony is selling and most will disagree with me. But this is just the way I feel on this subject.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, Monte Kiffin was a great DC and Dungy should get credit for hiring him.

Tell me more about Dungy's defense in Indy without Kiffin? Dungy did build a great team in Tampa and should get credit for that. However he should get very little credit for what was accomplished in Indy. In fact he held that franchise back with his conservative ways. Remember Peyton waving the punt team off of the field several times? Clearly Peyton was in charge of that team. Dungy was along for the ride.

I don't get why everybody in the media kisses Dungy's butt all of the time. Plus I've got very little respect for a man whose son hangs himself on a Tuesday and he coaches a football team the next Sunday. Then tries to come off as some kind of leader of young men.

I know most people buy into what Tony is selling and most will disagree with me. But this is just the way I feel on this subject.
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WTF are u talking about? If you remember anything about those Colts teams during that time it was that it was the offense & Manning who let them down come playoff time. & the year that they did win it all..it was his defense that stepped up big....in the divisional round against KC (held Johnson to 50 yds total rushing), the AFC champ (sealed the game with a late pick of Brady) and in the SB (INT return of Grossman to seal it).

Furthermore Kiffin has made a few different stops before & after Dungy & has never come remotely close to being able to reproduce what he helped Dungy with in TB.

As for Dungy.... All he did after TB was draft 3 more DPOY's in Freeney, Mathis & Bob Sanders....by the way, 2 of those guys are going to the HOF as well.

The guy is a leader of men & knows how to pick defensive talent...
 
PROSPECT PROFILE: TEDDY BRIDGEWATER
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Possessing a quick release and an underrated arm allows Bridgewater to easily make every NFL throw with zip and precision when his footwork is on. Out of the presumptive top five quarterbacks in the 2014 NFL draft (Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater and Zach Mettenberger), Bridgewater finished second in accuracy when I charted them out (although scouts do have one concern, which I'll delve into below). Excellent football intelligence helped him to be consistently productive against the blitz as he was able to identify where the rush was coming from, make the appropriate read and get rid of the ball quickly and on the mark to the correct receiver. Not only did his accuracy help him to make big plays, but it also made him be a much more efficient passer.

Bridgewater made few mistakes this season (31 touchdowns with only four interceptions) thanks to the aforementioned skills. Few college quarterbacks possess the athleticism to avoid sacks and buy second chances while also having a quick release and the ability to make good throws in nearly any situation. These traits are what allowed Bridgewater to consistently convert third downs into first downs to keep drives alive, something that's often overlooked. When you add up all the great things he does on film and combine that with his smarts, leadership and character, you have nearly the complete package -- which is why many expect the Texans to draft him with the first overall pick. However, there are still a few questions that have been raised.

The first relates to hand size. Scouts that have seen Bridgewater in person have told me that his right hand will measure less than nine inches -- the standard of measurement is from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pinky on the throwing hand when the hand is pressed down and spread out on a table with a measuring tape on it -- which is basically the minimum that NFL teams consider acceptable. Small hands make it difficult to handle the ball in less than ideal weather conditions and often lead to accuracy and fumbling issues. As an underclassman who entered the draft early, Bridgewater has not been measured by combine scouts yet, which is why the question still persists. Even though some reports claim that NFL teams are also concerned about Bridgewater's general physique, numerous scouts I have spoken to are not worried about this and feel that he will add weight and fill out as most players do once they are in the NFL...
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Playoffs said:
In depth analysis for the geeks, with film to back it up...


Futures: Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater


Read more/view videos: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2014/futures-louisville-qb-teddy-bridgewater
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"What Bridgewater lacks is weight, top-notch arm strength, and deep accuracy. I’m confident that he can improve each of these weaknesses to some degree. Even if he doesn’t, his integration of his athleticism, touch, accuracy, and manipulation of defenses within 35 yards of the line of scrimmage should be enough to make him a quality game-day manager who can help a team win... "



From comments on this MB you could supplant Bridgewater with Schaub or McCarron. :photos:
 
badboy said:
"What Bridgewater lacks is weight, top-notch arm strength, and deep accuracy. I’m confident that he can improve each of these weaknesses to some degree. Even if he doesn’t, his integration of his athleticism, touch, accuracy, and manipulation of defenses within 35 yards of the line of scrimmage should be enough to make him a quality game-day manager who can help a team win... "



From comments on this MB you could supplant Bridgewater with Schaub or McCarron. :photos:
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Author is basically saying game day manager is his floor in the context of that snippet.
 
infantrycak said:
No, because (a) I suspect it has largely run its course and (b) that would mean floating a Dungy thread into the NFL section where lots of people have no idea of the context or why it is being discussed.

But, yes let's get back on topic folks (including myself).
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I've spoken my piece when it comes to Dungy and stick by my thoughts.
 
Hey guys, first time long time, for such a long thread I've yet to see the topic of Teddy's weight be talked about. You guys think there will be an issue?

discuss. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
 
Trap_Star said:
Hey guys, first time long time, for such a long thread I've yet to see the topic of Teddy's weight be talked about. You guys think there will be an issue?

discuss. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
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I think it was discussed a lot in this thread.... kinda in a waiting pattern until the combine
 
Trap_Star said:
Hey guys, first time long time, for such a long thread I've yet to see the topic of Teddy's weight be talked about. You guys think there will be an issue?

discuss. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
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Here's a picture of Teddy telling Strong he's leaving Louisville . As you can see , he's way to thin .

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Trap_Star said:
Hey guys, first time long time, for such a long thread I've yet to see the topic of Teddy's weight be talked about. You guys think there will be an issue?

discuss. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
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Everything that could be discussed, has been discussed.
 
thunderkyss said:
Help me break down this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKN-F6fk6I

I'm not seeing a QB that I would be thrilled about taking with the #1 overall pick.
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I'll watch the whole thing and post my thoughts. First couple of plays one thing I noticed is bridgewater completing passes with u of h db's all over his receivers. Ill see if limited separation is a trend throughout the whole game.

But so far he's decisive, stands tall, steps up into lanes in the pocket and showed good mobility running for a first.
 
thunderkyss said:
Help me break down this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKN-F6fk6I

I'm not seeing a QB that I would be thrilled about taking with the #1 overall pick.
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Series #1 is flawless.

#2 - incomplete pass due to WR falling down. Good throw. Eats a sack on an overload blitz to his left. No chance. You can blame him for not changing the protection but nobody on his line blocked anyway so it's a wash. Dropped pass on 2nd & 18 on next play. Nobody open on 3rd down so he hits his underneath guy and settles for a FG.

#3 - WR in motion doesn't chip the blitzer on play action. QB has no chance.

#4 - Under pressure makes a stupid throw into coverage. Should have thrown it away. Telegraphs a throw into the flat and has it batted down. 3rd & 15 buys time for six seconds but nobody gets open. Hits WR on the sideline short of first down.

#5 - Awesome placement on a checkdown throw to his back. Dropped pass on next play. Buys time on both of the next two plays but has to throw it away both times because nobody can get open.

#6 - 3rd & 3 he drops a perfect pass in over the top between a CB and S. Not a terribly difficult throw. His guy had at least three steps on his defender.

#7 - good throw on a corner route. Put it high but away from defenders. Nobody gets open on 3rd & 9 and he forces a bad ball over the middle. Lucky it wasn't picked. Survives for a FG.

#8 - Quick read and release beats a blitz on first play. Wild throw on a bubble on the next play. Dropped pass on first pass of 4th quarter. On 3rd down beats pressure by hitting a crosser for a first down. 3rd & 7 he overthrows his guy high but keeps it away from defenders.

#9 - Eats a sack on 3rd & 4. Stepped up but couldn't get the ball out.
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When I scout guys I want to see them at their absolute best and at their absolute worst. Their flaws are just as important to me as their strengths. This was Bridgewater's worst game of the season, and I still come away seeing only two bad throws plus two more bad decisions. One should have been picked. If that's the worst game he has put on tape then I feel safe saying he has a pretty high floor. If you want to see his ceiling look at the tape from the Miami game.

In this game I see an ultra conservative gameplan and WRs who can't get open the whole game save for two or three plays. His guys do get him some YAC when they actually catch the ball. Houston did do a great job covering WRs off the line and disguising pressure.

Bridgewater honestly looked like a guy who knew where to go with the ball on nearly every single play, but his guys couldn't get open so he was forced to check down far too frequently. He got greedy and tried to force two balls, one which was dangerous and should have been picked.

If you want to compare the top three, then compare this to what Manziel did against LSU and Bortles did against Memphis this year.

Bridgewater may not quite show the ceiling of Manziel, but there is no doubt his floor is significantly higher.
 
bah007 said:
Series #1 is flawless.

#2 - incomplete pass due to WR falling down. Good throw. Eats a sack on an overload blitz to his left. No chance. You can blame him for not changing the protection but nobody on his line blocked anyway so it's a wash. Dropped pass on 2nd & 18 on next play. Nobody open on 3rd down so he hits his underneath guy and settles for a FG.

#3 - WR in motion doesn't chip the blitzer on play action. QB has no chance.

#4 - Under pressure makes a stupid throw into coverage. Should have thrown it away. Telegraphs a throw into the flat and has it batted down. 3rd & 15 buys time for six seconds but nobody gets open. Hits WR on the sideline short of first down.

#5 - Awesome placement on a checkdown throw to his back. Dropped pass on next play. Buys time on both of the next two plays but has to throw it away both times because nobody can get open.

#6 - 3rd & 3 he drops a perfect pass in over the top between a CB and S. Not a terribly difficult throw. His guy had at least three steps on his defender.

#7 - good throw on a corner route. Put it high but away from defenders. Nobody gets open on 3rd & 9 and he forces a bad ball over the middle. Lucky it wasn't picked. Survives for a FG.

#8 - Quick read and release beats a blitz on first play. Wild throw on a bubble on the next play. Dropped pass on first pass of 4th quarter. On 3rd down beats pressure by hitting a crosser for a first down. 3rd & 7 he overthrows his guy high but keeps it away from defenders.

#9 - Eats a sack on 3rd & 4. Stepped up but couldn't get the ball out.
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When I scout guys I want to see them at their absolute best and at their absolute worst. Their flaws are just as important to me as their strengths. This was Bridgewater's worst game of the season, and I still come away seeing only two bad throws plus two more bad decisions. One should have been picked. If that's the worst game he has put on tape then I feel safe saying he has a pretty high floor. If you want to see his ceiling look at the tape from the Miami game.

In this game I see an ultra conservative gameplan and WRs who can't get open the whole game save for two or three plays. His guys do get him some YAC when they actually catch the ball. Houston did do a great job covering WRs off the line and disguising pressure.

Bridgewater honestly looked like a guy who knew where to go with the ball on nearly every single play, but his guys couldn't get open so he was forced to check down far too frequently. He got greedy and tried to force two balls, one which was dangerous and should have been picked.

If you want to compare the top three, then compare this to what Manziel did against LSU and Bortles did against Memphis this year.

Bridgewater may not quite show the ceiling of Manziel, but there is no doubt his floor is significantly higher.
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Great analyst and nice breakdown of each series. MSR.
 
thunderkyss said:
Help me break down this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKN-F6fk6I

I'm not seeing a QB that I would be thrilled about taking with the #1 overall pick.
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Notabe plays, good and bad:

:44- Really nice bootleg rollout and I like the way he fully extends his arm on the fake, doesn't really turn on the jets but gets enough for the first down. Terrible slide though.

:58- Another gray playaction fake, again he does a good job selling the run and extending his arm and then quickly pulls the ball back in, whips around and plants his foot.

2:05- Senses the pressure up the middle but does a poor job escaping the pocket and runs right towards the weak side defender, with his athleticism he should have able to may a better play.

3:12- Just a bad throw all around here, he releases it awkwardly and doesn't step up into the throw.

3:39- Makes a nice move to escape the pressure and runs towards the sideline while keeping his eyes down the field the whole time, didn't turn into a big play but still a good thing to see on tape.

4:28- He gets away from the rusher but oddly doesn't run towards the first down marker even though he had tons of green grass in front of him. Mental error because he was plenty capable of running for the first down there.

4:55- Nice accurate pass, not perfect...he could have put more oomph on it and led Parker towards the end zone more. Teddy definitely needs to work on his deep ball as we all know though, and this play is a perfect example...he often puts too much touch on a deep pass instead of rifling it down field.

5:33- Textbook. Perfect execution of his drop, sets his feet and releases quickly, throws a perfect 20 yard out route right on money.



All in all it wasn't a super impressive game from Teddy, but it was also probably his least impressive performance of the entire season...so cherry picking it and saying you are not thrilled doesn't mean much. I have watched this cut up several times, and he just seemed uneasy with the pressure UH was getting on him from the get go...obviously not an excuse but a QB will have games where they can't get settled, it happens to the best of them. Still, seeing this as Teddy's worst game of the year is actually good when you watch other prospects "lows" from 2013: Manziel vs LSU, Bortles only completing 47% for 160 yards against Memphis! Or your ol' boy AJ against OK in the bowl game.
 
That film gets me excited. That was like an nfl play off game as far as how his receivers were covered, the pressure, the ups and downs. I think bridgewater to us would be a perfect match and I believe he'd be a great qb for us.
 
JCTexan said:
Looking at his stats for this game: 19-29, 203 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs... It was
probably one of his worst games. After just watching the first half again (not my first time watching this), his WR's had two drops and slipped on another incompletion.
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Just noticed another drop early in the 4th. Two of his other incompletions were throw aways late in the first half. So with his 10 incompletions you had 4-5 drops from his WR's and two balls that he simply threw away late in the half while he was trying to conserve clock. If you take those away you're looking at a 19-23 performance. And yes, this was one of his worst games this year.
 
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mussop said:
WTF????
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He's signaling Clowney to roll his ass on up and put his big head in the #2 spot on the podium.

You can't see Clowney because there are 5 RBs running a revolving chip drill on him.

:kitten:
 
I don't get the knock on his arm strength. I've seen Teddy throw 58-60 yards through the air, compared to Schaub who's range was 53-55y and good enough to make multiple Pro Bowls.

badboy said:
"What Bridgewater lacks is weight, top-notch arm strength, and deep accuracy. I’m confident that he can improve each of these weaknesses to some degree. Even if he doesn’t, his integration of his athleticism, touch, accuracy, and manipulation of defenses within 35 yards of the line of scrimmage should be enough to make him a quality game-day manager who can help a team win... "



From comments on this MB you could supplant Bridgewater with Schaub or McCarron. :photos:
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I would take 10 years of 2009-2011 Schaub in a heart beat and wouldn't think twice about the pick.

Besides, it's fate. Just look at young Bridgewater with his Nostradamus hat on.

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In that gif he's in the process of warming up before a rivalry game. He's doing the little dance the crowd is doing.
 
matts290 said:
All in all it wasn't a super impressive game from Teddy, but it was also probably his least impressive performance of the entire season...so cherry picking it and saying you are not thrilled doesn't mean much.

I have watched this cut up several times, and he just seemed uneasy with the pressure UH was getting on him from the get go...obviously not an excuse but a QB will have games where they can't get settled, it happens to the best of them.

Still, seeing this as Teddy's worst game of the year is actually good when you watch other prospects "lows" from 2013: Manziel vs LSU, Bortles only completing 47% for 160 yards against Memphis! Or your ol' boy AJ against OK in the bowl game.
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Good points..... except Teddy's bad game came against ConferenceUSA, I mean the AAC. at home.
 
bah007 said:
Series #1 is flawless.

#2 - incomplete pass due to WR falling down. Good throw. Eats a sack on an overload blitz to his left. No chance. You can blame him for not changing the protection but nobody on his line blocked anyway so it's a wash. Dropped pass on 2nd & 18 on next play. Nobody open on 3rd down so he hits his underneath guy and settles for a FG.

#3 - WR in motion doesn't chip the blitzer on play action. QB has no chance.

#4 - Under pressure makes a stupid throw into coverage. Should have thrown it away. Telegraphs a throw into the flat and has it batted down. 3rd & 15 buys time for six seconds but nobody gets open. Hits WR on the sideline short of first down.

#5 - Awesome placement on a checkdown throw to his back. Dropped pass on next play. Buys time on both of the next two plays but has to throw it away both times because nobody can get open.

#6 - 3rd & 3 he drops a perfect pass in over the top between a CB and S. Not a terribly difficult throw. His guy had at least three steps on his defender.

#7 - good throw on a corner route. Put it high but away from defenders. Nobody gets open on 3rd & 9 and he forces a bad ball over the middle. Lucky it wasn't picked. Survives for a FG.

#8 - Quick read and release beats a blitz on first play. Wild throw on a bubble on the next play. Dropped pass on first pass of 4th quarter. On 3rd down beats pressure by hitting a crosser for a first down. 3rd & 7 he overthrows his guy high but keeps it away from defenders.

#9 - Eats a sack on 3rd & 4. Stepped up but couldn't get the ball out.
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When I scout guys I want to see them at their absolute best and at their absolute worst. Their flaws are just as important to me as their strengths. This was Bridgewater's worst game of the season, and I still come away seeing only two bad throws plus two more bad decisions. One should have been picked. If that's the worst game he has put on tape then I feel safe saying he has a pretty high floor. If you want to see his ceiling look at the tape from the Miami game.[/b/

In this game I see an ultra conservative gameplan and WRs who can't get open the whole game save for two or three plays. His guys do get him some YAC when they actually catch the ball. Houston did do a great job covering WRs off the line and disguising pressure.

Bridgewater honestly looked like a guy who knew where to go with the ball on nearly every single play, but his guys couldn't get open so he was forced to check down far too frequently. He got greedy and tried to force two balls, one which was dangerous and should have been picked.

If you want to compare the top three, then compare this to what Manziel did against LSU and Bortles did against Memphis this year.

Bridgewater may not quite show the ceiling of Manziel, but there is no doubt his floor is significantly higher.
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This is my theory also. I look at the worse and see if I can find variants in the process. When a guy plays good or bad,it should look similar to get a true understanding of the player. When I guy plays great but he did it and it looked nothing like his bad game,those are the inconsistent things that will get coaches fired. Every qb has bad games,but do they look like his good games? This so called bad game looked like his good games. That's why people say his floor is high.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good points..... except Teddy's bad game came against ConferenceUSA, I mean the AAC. at home.
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You consistently make the level of competition argument about playing against AAC talent, which is valid to an extent, but have never seemed to acknowledge that his teammates are AAC talent as well.

A&M's offensive talent is on par with LSU's defensive talent. Manziel still played awful against them.
 
bah007 said:
You consistently make the level of competition argument about playing against AAC talent, which is valid to an extent, but have never seemed to acknowledge that his teammates are AAC talent as well.

A&M's offensive talent is on par with LSU's defensive talent. Manziel still played awful against them.
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I understand your point. Still.

A poor game against UH is not equal to a poor game against LSU, or Oaklahoma.

My point is not that McCarron or Manziel are better than Bridgewater, it's that none of them are worth the #1 overall. If a bad game vs LSU or Oaklahoma says Manziel & McCarron are not worthy, then a bad game vs UH says twice as much.
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand your point. Still.

A poor game against UH is not equal to a poor game against LSU, or Oaklahoma.

My point is not that McCarron or Manziel are better than Bridgewater, it's that none of them are worth the #1 overall. If a bad game vs LSU or Oaklahoma says Manziel & McCarron are not worthy, then a bad game vs UH says twice as much.
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MSR
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand your point. Still.

A poor game against UH is not equal to a poor game against LSU, or Oaklahoma.

My point is not that McCarron or Manziel are better than Bridgewater, it's that none of them are worth the #1 overall. If a bad game vs LSU or Oaklahoma says Manziel & McCarron are not worthy, then a bad game vs UH says twice as much.
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But this isn't all in a vacuum. You can't just critique the team they played against. You also need to critique the performance. What is your definition of poor? If your definition of a poor game is what Bridgewater did against Houston then what Manziel did against LSU is something entirely different. He was dreadful. Is a dreadful performance against LSU somehow worth more than a poor performance against Houston?

Bridgewater had a below average game against Houston.

Manziel had a below average game against Missouri. Similar performance, better opponent. Your argument makes sense here.

But against LSU he was dog ****. 41 attempts at 39% with two INTs. He doesn't get credit for looking like absolute **** just because he played a good team.

And McCarron is similar. Oklahoma wasn't even his worst performance. His defense just didn't show up to protect him so they happened to lose.

Average game against Oklahoma. Good opponent. Below average game against Mississippi St. Mediocre opponent. Below average game against Ole Miss but his defense pitched a shutout and his RBs had 34 carries for 251 yards so it gets overlooked. Average game against Colorado St, an inferior opponent. Piss poor game against Virginia Tech, a solid opponent.

If you compare the three, it is pretty obvious that Bridgewater at his absolute worst is better than Manziel, and clearly better than McCarron.

I'm not even trying to argue here that Bridgewater is worth the #1 overall. But you're just using blanket statements without doing your homework to lump the other two into his category.
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand your point. Still.

A poor game against UH is not equal to a poor game against LSU, or Oaklahoma.

My point is not that McCarron or Manziel are better than Bridgewater, it's that none of them are worth the #1 overall. If a bad game vs LSU or Oaklahoma says Manziel & McCarron are not worthy, then a bad game vs UH says twice as much.
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Now you've gone and done it, offended the Teddy Fanatics, prepare for the onslaught.
 
Texian said:
Now you've gone and done it, offended the Teddy Fanatics, prepare for the onslaught.
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I have no issue with any criticism of any player, as long as it is a fair and honest criticism. And not a desperate attempt to attack the player because he is not the one you want the team to draft.
 
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