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Teddy Bridgewater

kingtexan said:
Great coaches, not former NFL failures. Big difference.
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I thought you were being serious with your assertions about Teddy not being that good, but when I see you reaching to try to make some argument that being trained by Weinke at IMG should be a negative I know now that you are just basking in the responses you get from being the "bad guy" in the Teddy B thread.

You may think you are being unbiased, but I am pretty sure you are just biased against Teddy for *~-reasons-~*.
 
kingtexan said:
I stand by my statement and find the responses to it ignorant at best. Which basically describes half of the posters on this site, who typically are looking to troll and flame someone instead of offer intelligent conversation or debate. More twelve years old trying to pick fights here than adults with an opinion.
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Profound!
 
WolverineFan said:
Ironically, marginal players tend to make better coaches than good players. Many good players get by on pure talent. Marginal players lack that talent and get by on technique and understanding the game. Very rare are the guys that have talent and put in all the work on technique and the mental side.
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Beat me to it. IMG has had some successes (and some failures), but the institution is much more than just "Chris Weinke and some guys".

Cam Newton is a guy I expected to fail in the NFL due to the offense he ran in college. Whether it was his own hard work, IMG, or a combination of the two, he's been a real success story.
 
kingtexan said:
Great coaches, not former NFL failures. Big difference.
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Actually Sean Payton was a QB in the replacement games for the Bears during the strike . I think he actually stuck around a bit when the real players came back . Not big but very smart QB .

Gruden was a QB at Dayton for 3 years but didn't get a sniff as a player in the NFL .

The road is littered with great coaches who weren't great players . This is in every sport and the list includes Lombardi , Lasorda , Carrol , Van Gundy , and so on .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Maybe ... or he'll find out that not everybody is going to live and breath it like he does and get frustrated .
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I believe Dungy said he would make a lousy coach.

thunderkyss said:
Doesn't he run a QB camp? I'd think issues like that would have already come up already.
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No Archie runs the Manning Academy with all three sons on the staff. Dealing with kids (yes, until they get their first job they are kids) in a non-competitive environment is nothing like game day. He has never been known as cozy with his teammates. I'm very skeptical he can tone it down enough on game day.
 
infantrycak said:
I believe Dungy said he would make a lousy coach.



No Archie runs the Manning Academy with all three sons on the staff. Dealing with kids (yes, until they get their first job they are kids) in a non-competitive environment is nothing like game day. He has never been known as cozy with his teammates. I'm very skeptical he can tone it down enough on game day.
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yep to the bolded...teaching to kids who idolize you is not the same as coaching grown men set in their ways.
 
kingtexan said:
Bingo ...
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You still didn't answer my question, though. Could you point out Wilson, Tannehill, and Brees' records to me? All were IMG trainees. If I recall correctly, one is a Superbowl champ, one missed the playoff by inches, and the other is about to play in the Bowl. How unsuccessful. Weinke's coached up some real idiots, I'll tell you that.

Oh, and never mind that Cam Newton guy who went to the playoffs this year.
 
infantrycak said:
He has never been known as cozy with his teammates. I'm very skeptical he can tone it down enough on game day.
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I know your not among that group, but weren't a bunch of us clamoring for the Chin? I doubt it was his cozy demeanor with teammates that made them think he'll succeed.

Anywho... that's my opinion, I know yours.
 
Mr teX said:
yep to the bolded...teaching to kids who idolize you is not the same as coaching grown men set in their ways.
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He runs whatever offense he is on. He coaches every position on offense right now. He's all about making his teammates better & far as I can tell, they're good with it.
 
thunderkyss said:
We need to get away from that guy. We've got too many people on the field leading by example. & we've never had a QB that f'kn led.


We don't need any more mousy field generals.
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~Leadership by jumping up and down, screaming and hollering. Just what any professional organization needs.~
 
Dishman said:
Isn't that just what king Texan did? Run in blasting his mouth about something on which he knows little (i.e. claim something dumb). He's misconceived because he's biased and uneducated.
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~I'm pretty sure that would be MRconceived.~
 
Marshall said:
~Leadership by jumping up and down, screaming and hollering. Just what any professional organization needs.~
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~Nobody said anything about jumping up & down, screaming & hollering~

Watch Peyton Manning (yeah, sometimes he's caught screaming & hollering) after a screwed up play you'll often see him saying, "That was me." or "You've got to do better than that." In a leader type way, not a "WTF" kind of way.

You'll see him on the sideline coaching his receivers, telling him what he's looking for, why he doesn't think such & such is working, or how well such & such is working.

Brady does the same thing.

Enough arrogance that "everybody" knows it's his team. Brady oversteps his bounds from time to time, we saw OB put him back in line. We saw Peyton step out of line once, Saturday straightened him out.

With Schaub, it was always, "I'm going to do my job, I lead by example."
 
"So what do you think about your thread Mr. Bridgewater?"
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Mr teX said:
Considering he spent the better part of a decade coaching the guy & he was once a HC himself ....yeah, i think his opinion is much more credible than fans on a messageboard.
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Tell me about all of the winning Tony did.

He rode Manning's coattails, and 1 SB tells me that he didn't even do that good of job doing that.

I know I set the bar high. But if you have a GOAT QB you should have more than 1 SB in a decades worth of work.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me about all of the winning Tony did.

He rode Manning's coattails, and 1 SB tells me that he didn't even do that good of job doing that.

I know I set the bar high. But if you have a GOAT QB you should have more than 1 SB in a decades worth of work.
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So is it sarcastic "Saint Bill" too? You know, the guy who is a sub-.500 coach without GOAT Brady.

How about "Saint Seifert" who sucked even worse without Montana/Young?

Dungy non-Manning: .563
Belichick non-Brady: .484
Seifert non-Montana/Young: .333
 
infantrycak said:
So is it sarcastic "Saint Bill" too? You know, the guy who is a sub-.500 coach without GOAT Brady.

How about "Saint Seifert" who sucked even worse without Montana/Young?

Dungy non-Manning: .563
Belichick non-Brady: .484
Seifert non-Montana/Young: .333
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It looks like you're making his point for him. WITH those QBs, they produced better than Dungy.

I think Dungy is fine as a HC.
 
disaacks3 said:
It looks like you're making his point for him. WITH those QBs, they produced better than Dungy.
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Well I took his post as twofold - Dungy did nothing without Manning and underachieved with Manning. On the former it is simply wrong. On the latter, I think myopic is a kind description of that position.
 
Mr teX said:
Considering he spent the better part of a decade coaching the guy & he was once a HC himself ....yeah, i think his opinion is much more credible than fans on a messageboard.
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It doesn't really matter, we're just talking about opinions, no big deal. I think Manning would be a great coach, Dungy doesn't.

Dungy probably thought Herm Edwards would make a great head coach...... I don't see what would have made him think that.


No biggie.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me about all of the winning Tony did.

He rode Manning's coattails, and 1 SB tells me that he didn't even do that good of job doing that.

I know I set the bar high. But if you have a GOAT QB you should have more than 1 SB in a decades worth of work.
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Umm, no....the hiring of Dungy pretty much made TB relevant again as they went to the playoffs regularly & his hands were all over that 2005 TB defense that Gruden eventually rode to a SB. Jim Caldwell pretty much owes his whole existence to Dungy and has him to thank for his only Sb appearance as a HC b/c that was a team put together by him.

All told that's 3 SB appearances he had a huge hand in and an untold number of playoff appearances...


stop it please..
 
Mr teX said:
Umm, no....the hiring of Dungy pretty much made TB relevant again as they went to the playoffs regularly & his hands were all over that 2005 TB defense that Gruden eventually rode to a SB. Jim Caldwell pretty much owes his whole existence to Dungy and has him to thank for his only Sb appearance as a HC b/c that was a team put together by him.

All told that's 3 SB appearances he had a huge hand in and an untold number of playoff appearances...


stop it please..
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In depth analysis for the geeks, with film to back it up...


Futures: Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater

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On the basis of physical skills alone, Teddy Bridgewater may possess the least upside of the top quarterbacks entering the 2014 NFL Draft. Yet, on the basis of how a quarterback integrates his skills on the field, the Louisville passer is the best in his class.

The choice of quarterback does more to shape an NFL team than any position on the field. If the coaching staff that inherits Bridgewater designs its offense to match what the quarterback does best, Bridgewater has the skills to be the most productive rookie of this crop with as much upside as any of his peers.

As with all quarterbacks, what’s most prominent with Bridgewater’s game is his footwork. Derek Carr’s movement reveals initiative and impulsivity; Blake Bortles’ indicates decisiveness that can cross the border of unmindful; and Johnny Manziel’s feet reveal a dynamic player who can lean too much on an improvisational mindset.

The three words I use to describe Bridgewater’s mentality as seen through his footwork are "fluid," "relaxed," and "confident." Bridgewater shares the confidence and decisiveness of Bortles, but the dynamic imagination of Manziel with a better governor over his limitations.

What Bridgewater lacks is weight, top-notch arm strength, and deep accuracy. I’m confident that he can improve each of these weaknesses to some degree. Even if he doesn’t, his integration of his athleticism, touch, accuracy, and manipulation of defenses within 35 yards of the line of scrimmage should be enough to make him a quality game-day manager who can help a team win...
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Read more/view videos: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2014/futures-louisville-qb-teddy-bridgewater
 
Mr teX said:
"On the basis of physical skills alone, Teddy Bridgewater may possess the least upside of the top quarterbacks entering the 2014 NFL Draft. "

I just don't understand that statement at all. He's much more athletic than scouts give him credit for.
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Hyperbole, just trying to make a point about how everything else that he does makes up for his "lack of talent".
 
Playoffs said:
In depth analysis for the geeks, with film to back it up...

Even if he doesn’t, his integration of his athleticism, touch, accuracy, and manipulation of defenses within 35 yards of the line of scrimmage should be enough to make him a quality game-day manager who can help a team win...
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I'm salivating with anticipation.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kaepernick, Wilson, & Luck are doing good right now, but I believe they are on borrowed time. IMO, they need to get better in the pocket quickly.... I doubt they can do it a third year in a row without suffering some sidelining injury.
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100% agree. I'm not a fan of the run first QB (Cam, Wilson, Kaep, RG3).

I like the buy time in the Pocket guy and resort to running last (TB).

thunderkyss said:
At 6'2" 225 lbs I would feel fairly confident that Rodgers would be able to take the beating an NFL QB will take.
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He didn't this year, which goes to show... things happen in the NFL

bOODRO87 said:
KingTexan still impresses with his horrible posts. Keep it up!
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lol, child posts.

Marshall said:
~Leadership by jumping up and down, screaming and hollering. Just what any professional organization needs.~
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You're kidding right? You don't want this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50htlfkMw_c
 
infantrycak said:
So is it sarcastic "Saint Bill" too? You know, the guy who is a sub-.500 coach without GOAT Brady.

How about "Saint Seifert" who sucked even worse without Montana/Young?

Dungy non-Manning: .563
Belichick non-Brady: .484
Seifert non-Montana/Young: .333
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You've got to admit that Bill HCing the Browns that were leaving Cleveland and Seifert the Panthers may have been a little different circumstances than Dungy's experience in Tampa Bay.

Look, I get that you like Dungy. (A lot of people do) I think that he's a phony.

If Manning is GOAT you would think that with a great HC he would have more than 1 ring. Since you are great at looking up numbers, lets take a look at Belichick/Brady regular season record and post season record vs Saint Tony/Manning?
 
I think the most damning-with-praise thing that can be said about Dungy was that he won a Superbowl with Peyton as his QB against the Rex Grossman-led Bears.
 
Mr teX said:
Umm, no....the hiring of Dungy pretty much made TB relevant again as they went to the playoffs regularly & his hands were all over that 2005 TB defense that Gruden eventually rode to a SB. Jim Caldwell pretty much owes his whole existence to Dungy and has him to thank for his only Sb appearance as a HC b/c that was a team put together by him.

All told that's 3 SB appearances he had a huge hand in and an untold number of playoff appearances...


stop it please..
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So Peyton made it to as many SB's with Caldwell as with Dungy?

Let the record show that even after having a GOAT QB Dungy only participated in 1 SB. That people would think Dungy is all that dumbfounds me.

I mean why doesn't John Harbaugh get as much love as Dungy? They accomplished about the same things. Only Harbaugh has Flacco and Dungy had a GOAT.
 
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