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Teddy Bridgewater

Texian said:
Debatable. This thread alone a vast majority think TB is the Man, a Franchise QB, hands down, no questions asked. The consensus Group Think.
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Nope ... most know there is no perfect pick and the trick is to find a guy with the least fatal flaw . That guy doesn't have to be the 1st overall pick but if he is , he better be good .
 
Texian said:
I bring that up not to crap on Bridgewater (I actually like him a lot), but rather to dispel twitter group think. He is not a sure thing.
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Corrosion said:
I think the vast majority of us here on TT would agree with the bold.
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Texian said:
Debatable. This thread alone a vast majority think TB is the Man, a Franchise QB, hands down, no questions asked. The consensus Group Think.
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thunderkyss said:
Absolutely no flaws worth considering.
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My "mental straw poll" has something like 70% of TT strongly in favor of taking Teddy B. over anyone else in this draft. That's about as close to a "Sure thing" we ever get on here. Hell, we didn't get over about 85% for A. Luck.

I hope somebody absolutely sets themselves apart at the combine, so that there isn't much doubt who is worth the #1.

My worst fear right now is trading back to #4 and watching all three of the top QB prospects taken off the board. Clowney won't fit worth a damn in a 3-4.
 
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disaacks3 said:
Clowney won't fit worth a damn in a 3-4.
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I think he would be the best in a 4-3, though I would say that:

1) A lot of teams play in nickel/dime formation anyways, which require a 4-man front and allow Clowney to play his more natural position of LDE; and

2) Clowney has enough burst to work as the pass-rushing OLB, and Crennel has used large OLBs in his defenses before.
 
disaacks3 said:
My worst fear right now is trading back to #4 and watching all three of the top QB prospects taken off the board.
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Just because I don't like any of the top three with a top 5 pick, doesn't mean we shouldn't take one of the three with a top 5 pick. If OB & his crew think one of those three would help this team much more than the QBs that will be available later in the draft, then they should take him with the #1 overall.

If they were to drop down to 4 I wouldn't expect them to take a QB. If they do, I would think it was wreckless & not a gamble I would have made.

Again, if they feel one of those three will be a franchise QB, they should take him with the #1 overall & not play any games.
 
I know Teddy, Johnny, and Blake are getting ready for the Combine. Anybody heard where they are training? I know JFF likes that QB guru in California (can't remember his name) and will probably be with him. Haven't heard where TB or BB are training. Just curious.
 
Insideop said:
I know Teddy, Johnny, and Blake are getting ready for the Combine. Anybody heard where they are training? I know JFF likes that QB guru in California (can't remember his name) and will probably be with him. Haven't heard where TB or BB are training. Just curious.
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It's George Whitfield or Jules Winnfield . :dancer:
 
Insideop said:
I know Teddy, Johnny, and Blake are getting ready for the Combine. Anybody heard where they are training? I know JFF likes that QB guru in California (can't remember his name) and will probably be with him. Haven't heard where TB or BB are training. Just curious.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...in-florida-readying-himself-for-draft-process

Bridgewater, a junior at Louisville who is bypassing his senior season, now is living on the grounds of IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla. At IMG, he will be further tutored in the art of quarterbacking by a staff that includes former NFL quarterback/Heisman winner Chris Weinke; he also will work with nutritionists and trainers to get in even better shape.
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thunderkyss said:
I think you're overestimating the importance of weight. While it is important when projecting a players future success & longevity it is not the sole determination.

At 6'2" 225 lbs I would feel fairly confident that Rodgers would be able to take the beating an NFL QB will take. His height is of some concern, he will have difficulty finding passing lanes, or just being able to see routes develop closer to the LOS... however, in hindsight we know he is capable of performing well, very well in the pocket.
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So if Bridgewater packs on 15 more pounds you're okay with him as a prospect?

Matt Schaub was 6'5 240 something. We all know how that ended up.
 
htownfan32 said:
So if Bridgewater packs on 15 more pounds you're okay with him as a prospect?

Matt Schaub was 6'5 240 something. We all know how that ended up.
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Either way, there isn't a plethora of 6'3" 205 lb QBs in the league. Surely there's a reason.
 
bhsman said:
That's some faulty reasoning; Peyton Manning is 6'5 and 230lbs. and we all saw how that turned out.
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And at his peak, Jamarcus Russell was 6'6 and 265 at his best. My point is not that additional height and weight makes you a bad QB - if it was, yes, it would be faulty reasoning. My point is that height and weight is not a huge determining factor in the success of a QB by itself.

Sure, I get the durability concern. But Bridgewater has no particularly egregious history of injury and has shown to be evasive and hardy in the pocket.

If height and weight is your primary criteria for drafting your QB, you're going to be drafting quite a few busts. Hell, if we were drafting with those two criteria first we'd be picking Logan Thomas with 1-1.
 
htownfan32 said:
And at his peak, Jamarcus Russell was 6'6 and 265 at his best. My point is not that additional height and weight makes you a bad QB - if it was, yes, it would be faulty reasoning. My point is that height and weight is not a huge determining factor in the success of a QB by itself.

Sure, I get the durability concern. But Bridgewater has no particularly egregious history of injury and has shown to be evasive and hardy in the pocket.

If height and weight is your primary criteria for drafting your QB, you're going to be drafting quite a few busts. Hell, if we were drafting with those two criteria first we'd be picking Logan Thomas with 1-1.
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And I agree entirely, only that the way you phrased it seemed faulty. Carry on! :handshake:
 
htownfan32 said:
My point is that height and weight is not a huge determining factor in the success of a QB by itself.

If height and weight is your primary criteria for drafting your QB, you're going to be drafting quite a few busts. Hell, if we were drafting with those two criteria first we'd be picking Logan Thomas with 1-1.
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It's faulty for anyone to believe it is my primary apprehension to Bridgewater. It is just the one they like to challenge. I've also said it's not a deal breaker, if he falls within a certain range.

If he shows up at 205 lbs, I don't think I would be the only person with concerns. We "know" Bridgewater should be working on gaining weight. If the net result of that work is 205 lbs at the combine, it should be major red flags. He could be the most skilled QB the league has ever seen, but it would still be irresponsible to let PeeWee Herman out on the field.

I don't like his size.
I don't like his throwing motion
I don't like his footwork

There's more, each in-and-of-itself no big deal, no deal breaker. I've got nothing to say Bridgewater won't be a franchise QB, I just don't think the odds of him becoming a true franchise QB is much higher than others; Bortles, Manziel, McCarron, Murray, Metenberger, even Boyd.
 
thunderkyss said:
Either way, there isn't a plethora of 6'3" 205 lb QBs in the league. Surely there's a reason.
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No, but let's say for argument's sake that Bridgewater comes in Day 1 and bulks up a bit, and by preseason's time he's 6'3 220, or even 6'3 225.

For comparison's sake (height weight from Wiki), here are the QBs who saw extended playing time this season.

Russell Wilson 5'11 206
Tom Brady at 6'4 is 225
Alex Smith is 6'4, 217.
Brees is 6'0 209.
Andy Dalton is 6'2 220.
Ryan Tannehill is 6'4 222.
Eli Manning is 6'4 218.
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4, 230.
Peyton Manning is 6'5 230.
Carson Palmer is 6'5 235.
EJ Manuel is 6'5 237.
Thad Lewis is 6'2 220.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is 6'2 225
Cam Newton is 6'5 245
Jason Campbell is 6'5 229
Matt Flynn is 6'2 230
Case Keenum is 6'1 205
Jay Cutler is 6'3, 233
Tony Romo is 6'2 236
Joe Flacco is 6'6 239
Matt Stafford is 6'3 232
Matt Ryan is 6'4 217
Matt Schaub is 6'4 239
Chad Henne is 6'3 230
Christian Ponder is 6'2 229
Matt Cassel is 6'4 230
Geno Smith is 6'3 221
Terrelle Pryor is 6'4 233
Nick Foles is 6'6 243
Matt McGloin is 6'1 210
Josh McCown is 6'4 215
Andrew Luck is 6'4 239
Ben Roethlisberger is 6'5 241
Kellen Clemens is 6'2 221
Sam Bradford is 6'4 231
Mike Glennon is 6'7, 225
RG III is 6'2, 218
Kirk Cousins is 6'3, 209
Josh Freeman is 6'6 248
Jake Locker is 6'3 234

I don't think I missed out on anyone else.

Averages: 6'3.5 feet tall, 226.9 lbs.*



*assuming no statistical error on my account.


Edit: just saw your other post, TK - and yes, I agree, he has his flaws. I have concerns with gloves (it's weird, not necessarily a con, but weird) and level of competition etc. - but height and weight is not exactly a major concern. He will put on weight. I'd bet money he's bulking up right now in prep for the combine, trying to get up to 220-225 if he's not there already.

Now if he comes in at 6'1 200, yes, that raises a flag.
 
htownfan32 said:
No, but let's say for argument's sake that Bridgewater comes in Day 1 and bulks up a bit, and by preseason's time he's 6'3 220, or even 6'3 225.

For comparison's sake (height weight from Wiki), here are the QBs who saw extended playing time this season.

Russell Wilson 5'11 206
Tom Brady at 6'4 is 225
Alex Smith is 6'4, 217.
Brees is 6'0 209.
Andy Dalton is 6'2 220.
Ryan Tannehill is 6'4 222.
Eli Manning is 6'4 218.
Colin Kaepernick is 6'4, 230.
Peyton Manning is 6'5 230.
Carson Palmer is 6'5 235.
EJ Manuel is 6'5 237.
Thad Lewis is 6'2 220.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is 6'2 225
Cam Newton is 6'5 245
Jason Campbell is 6'5 229
Matt Flynn is 6'2 230
Case Keenum is 6'1 205
Jay Cutler is 6'3, 233
Tony Romo is 6'2 236
Joe Flacco is 6'6 239
Matt Stafford is 6'3 232
Matt Ryan is 6'4 217
Matt Schaub is 6'4 239
Chad Henne is 6'3 230
Christian Ponder is 6'2 229
Matt Cassel is 6'4 230
Geno Smith is 6'3 221
Terrelle Pryor is 6'4 233
Nick Foles is 6'6 243
Matt McGloin is 6'1 210
Josh McCown is 6'4 215
Andrew Luck is 6'4 239
Ben Roethlisberger is 6'5 241
Kellen Clemens is 6'2 221
Sam Bradford is 6'4 231
Mike Glennon is 6'7, 225
RG III is 6'2, 218
Kirk Cousins is 6'3, 209
Josh Freeman is 6'6 248
Jake Locker is 6'3 234

I don't think I missed out on anyone else.

Averages: 6'3.5 feet tall, 226.9 lbs.*



*assuming no statistical error on my account.


Edit: just saw your other post, TK - and yes, I agree, he has his flaws. I have concerns with gloves (it's weird, not necessarily a con, but weird) and level of competition etc. - but height and weight is not exactly a major concern. He will put on weight. I'd bet money he's bulking up right now in prep for the combine, trying to get up to 220-225 if he's not there already.

Now if he comes in at 6'1 200, yes, that raises a flag.
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Several people have said they believe Teddy is closer to 6'1" than 6'3".
 
Heh, I'm surprised you guys are still going on about weight when there was reasoning behind his weight loss and he's already shown the ability to get up to around 218. He's a young kid which means his body will not have much issue gaining the weight especially with the strength and conditioning coaches in the NFL. I mean, that is one of their functions after all and why we put them on the payroll. Could understand if he has never shown the ability to gain the weight.

Oh well. To each their own. If it wasn't this then I'm sure we'd find something else to ***** about. Maybe one toenail longer than the other or something. All of these guys have something to work on. Last thing I'm going to concern myself about is the weight of a kid under 25 years old when that can be remedied. More interested in things like mechanics and mental aspect of the game.
 
Trap_Star said:
An inside look as Teddy Bridgewater prepares for the NFL draft (video)
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Chris Weinke talks about training Teddy Bridgewater
WHAT’S IMPRESSED YOU ABOUT TEDDY?

He’s got a huge upside. He’s a special guy. Most importantly, he’s coachable, and I think that’s what a lot of NFL teams look for, guys that are coachable and can make adjustments.

WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO SHOW?

I think maybe the misperception on him is he’s not a real vocal guy, right? I can tell you he’s got a real burning desire to be great and his leadership skills are simple shown kind of through example.

He’s the type of guy that guys just naturally gravitate toward.

Really, you just want to fine-tune everything. I don’t do this to make major adjustments. You want to make minor adjustments and make sure he has a great understanding of this process and what’s going to be asked of him, physically and mentally. That he goes through this process with confidence and is then able to translate that into success in the National Football League.

WHAT WILL YOU TELL HIM?

I always tell guys, ‘Be yourself.’ I’m not here to change people, we’re here to simply be a GPS system for them, right? To show them the way and let them naturally be who they are, but give them some tools for success.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HIS NFL PROSPECTS?

I think he’s a perfect fit. He’s the type of guy that doesn’t have to say a whole lot, but I think will got into a locker room and gain respect immediately.

He’s the total package. He has the ability to do all the things they’re gonna do at the next level.

In terms of arm strength, he’s got NFL arm strength. He can throw the ball accurately on the run. He has great escapability within the pocket.

HOW DO YOU THINK LOUISVILLE PREPARED HIM FOR THIS?

You can watch guys on film and see if they have total command of the offense and that’s clearly evident that he felt very comfortable in that offense. Fortunately for him, he was in the pro-style offense, which will translate nicely to the next level.

There’s so many guys these days that never take a snap from under center before they get to the NFL and that’s a transition, but he’s a natural there, he’s comfortable under center or in the shotgun, so I think he’s ahead of the game...
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Playoffs said:
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Chris Weinke talks about training Teddy Bridgewater
I think maybe the misperception on him is he’s not a real vocal guy, right? I can tell you he’s got a real burning desire to be great and his leadership skills are simple shown kind of through example.
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We need to get away from that guy. We've got too many people on the field leading by example. & we've never had a QB that f'kn led.


We don't need any more mousy field generals.
 
Ha! dude trys to discredit Teddy Ballgame for training with Wienke and has no idea what he's talking about.

Also, Wienke seems to also think that taking snaps from under center is a big enough deal that the guys who dont do it have to transition. Yet again, our resident football experts think thats an overblown skill? Hmmmm.

carry on.
 
Blake said:
I don't even know how to respond to your post.
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Here, I will help you.

Weinke had only had two wins in his entire NFL career and won the first game of the 2001 season and then lost the rest for Carolina. He also has the second longest losing streak in NFL (17) only behind Dan Pastorini (21). Despite this, Weinke is tied (with Geno Smith) for fourth most rushing touchdowns by a rookie quarterback (6), behind Vince Young (7), Robert Griffin III (7) and current Panther Cam Newton (14)
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Yep, that's who I would want my future franchise QB training with.

Maybe TB is going for the losing streak record ...
 
kingtexan said:
Here, I will help you.




Yep, that's who I would want my future franchise QB training with.

Maybe TB is going for the losing streak record ...
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Look a few posts up, he has trained some very successful players. Just because he couldn't perform on the field doesn't mean he isn't a good teacher. IMG is a highly respect institution.
 
kingtexan said:
Here, I will help you.




Yep, that's who I would want my future franchise QB training with.

Maybe TB is going for the losing streak record ...
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Ryan Tannehill and Russell Wilson trained with CW. Please point out their W-L records for me, since you are in a helpful mood.
 
Yeah, i guess you had to be a great player to teach a sport. Majic Johnson was probably one of the worst coaches in nba history. While Phil Jackson only averaged 6 points and 4 rebounds a game and the guy has 11 rings. Yeah ok.:toropalm:
 
Ironically, marginal players tend to make better coaches than good players. Many good players get by on pure talent. Marginal players lack that talent and get by on technique and understanding the game. Very rare are the guys that have talent and put in all the work on technique and the mental side.
 
Lol @ kingtexan getting blasted for his ridiculous statement. Think that through next time before you go all smartass around here.
 
Blake said:
Lol @ kingtexan getting blasted for his ridiculous statement. Think that through next time before you go all smartass around here.
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Meh, I can understand the misconception. No need to run in and claim a beatdown or something dumb.
 
bhsman said:
Meh, I can understand the misconception. No need to run in and claim a beatdown or something dumb.
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Isn't that just what king Texan did? Run in blasting his mouth about something on which he knows little (i.e. claim something dumb). He's misconceived because he's biased and uneducated.
 
Dishman said:
Isn't that just what king Texan did? Run in blasting his mouth about something on which he knows little (i.e. claim something dumb). He's misconceived because he's biased and uneducated.
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Hey, his parents mighta meant to have him. :jk:
 
matts290 said:
Look a few posts up, he has trained some very successful players. Just because he couldn't perform on the field doesn't mean he isn't a good teacher. IMG is a highly respect institution.
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I am sure those players would have never succeeded without the awe inspiring knowledge of CW.
 
Blake said:
Lol @ kingtexan getting blasted for his ridiculous statement. Think that through next time before you go all smartass around here.
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I stand by my statement and find the responses to it ignorant at best. Which basically describes half of the posters on this site, who typically are looking to troll and flame someone instead of offer intelligent conversation or debate. More twelve years old trying to pick fights here than adults with an opinion.
 
kingtexan said:
I am sure those players would have never succeeded without the awe inspiring knowledge of CW.
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You are so misinformed. Weinke never flourished in the NFL no, but he was a 4th round pick and never had super high expectations in the NFL anyways...he wasn't even drafted until he was 28 years old and came onto a Panthers team that was a complete wreck to begin with.

If you knew anything you would show the guy some respect as a football player because even after passing on his first offer from FSU, he chose to play Triple A baseball for 6 years. Then after playing baseball he came back to football, won a heisman and battled through a very severe neck injury. Very few people can be successful players in the NFL, doesn't mean they don't know football and can't have a passion for teaching and nurturing young players.

Weinke even said himself he far more enjoys being a coach and mentor than he ever did being a player, and he has been very successful with his academy at IMG...so it seems like a guy who has found his calling. So stop the childish hate and move on, you are only making yourself look worse.
 
Ken Whisenhunt
Tony Dungy
Jeff Fischer
Bill Cowher

4 modern day coaches that I can think of that all had very underwhelming careers as players.
 
How many great qb's were trained/coached by other great qb's?

Most of the greatest coaches weren't great players, and tons of great players are terrible coaches or terrible front office people.

I think criticizing the abilities of someone without any actual knowledge of how good they are at their job is just ignorance.
 
kingtexan said:
I stand by my statement and find the responses to it ignorant at best. Which basically describes half of the posters on this site, who typically are looking to troll and flame someone instead of offer intelligent conversation or debate. More twelve years old trying to pick fights here than adults with an opinion.
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So their responses are ignorant despite based on factual information of who Weinke has worked and the fact he has built a portfolio that points to success at what he does. Meanwhile your responses are all about what he did as a player despite the fact it has been pointed out success in your sport does not equal success outside of it in a different function. Yeah....their responses really sound ignorant when stacked up against yours. You're not looking for debate or conversation. You're looking for folks to agree with you though their arguements has more standing actual information than your own.

Success as a player does not equal coaching/mentoring success. That is simple fact. First, you are wrong about Sean Payton. He played QB at Eastern Illinois and got one year with the Bears before bottoming out. In other words, he had less success in the NFL than Weinke. Not to mention here are a number of the QB coaches in the league:

Zac Taylor - Failed as a NFL QB and CFL QB
David Lee - Never could make it to the pros
Gary Kubiak (OC) - Career backup
Greg Knapp - Failed pro QB. Couldn't even make a roster
Matt Nagy - Arena League QB
Wade Wilson - Medicore QB. Spent more time as a backup
Danny Langsdorf - Never made it to the pros
Bill Musgrave - Career backup
Matt Cavanaugh - Career backup

With that said we probably should steer back on topic instead of this silly and pointless "debate". Some folks can't admit they are wrong about something so not worth the effort to keep going for pages.
 
kingtexan said:
I stand by my statement and find the responses to it ignorant at best. Which basically describes half of the posters on this site, who typically are looking to troll and flame someone instead of offer intelligent conversation or debate. More twelve years old trying to pick fights here than adults with an opinion.
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Stand by your statement all you want. It is unfounded and ignorant to say the least. You see a guy who was unsuccessful in the NFL and assume he cant teach young players how to play QB. Most everyone else sees a guy who can at least help these guys be successful during their transition to the NFL and the hiring process.

Try using critical thinking about the subject rather than just spewing the first thought that runs across your brain.
 
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