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Texans hire Bill O'Brien as HC

Lucky said:
I can't think of a worse fit than a Ryan in the Texan organization. Ryan as an assistant would be a disaster with a first time coach like O'Brien.
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If O'Brien is from the Belichick tree, you don't have to worry about Rex being on his staff.
 
Texian said:
There will be additional NFL HC openings. O'Brien will have his choice of jobs. At the top of his list will be a team that will give him final say on the 53 man roster. The Texans are not one of those teams.
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You say this as if the move would completely neuter the GM. It is totally possible for the HC to have final say on the 53, that's the way it should be. Don't need the owner or anyone else telling the HC who his starting QB should be.

As long as the HC knows the GM is his boss, the power structure should stay intact.

It's cool to have a QB like Peyton Manning calling audibles & adjusting the offense to what he sees on the field, but you need an OC in charge to manage the game. IMO, that's why Peyton only has one ring.

Same thing, the HC is the guy who manages the season, but long term, it's got to be the GMs vision, plan. Doesn't matter who the final 53 is as long as the core stays intact.
 
thunderkyss said:
You say this as if the move would completely neuter the GM. It is totally possible for the HC to have final say on the 53, that's the way it should be. Don't need the owner or anyone else telling the HC who his starting QB should be.

As long as the HC knows the GM is his boss, the power structure should stay intact.

It's cool to have a QB like Peyton Manning calling audibles & adjusting the offense to what he sees on the field, but you need an OC in charge to manage the game. IMO, that's why Peyton only has one ring.

Same thing, the HC is the guy who manages the season, but long term, it's got to be the GMs vision, plan. Doesn't matter who the final 53 is as long as the core stays intact.
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My point being, give a perspective head a coach a choice of having full control and final say on the 53 man roster vs answering to the GM w/o control of the team roster, 99.9% of the time the perspective head coach will opt for full control and final say. Example is Jeff Fisher, he interviewed for both the Miami and St Louis jobs. All things being equal most folks would choose Miami. However Miami didn't offer full control, St. Louis did and Fisher is the Rams Head Coach.
 
Texian said:
My point being, give a perspective head a coach a choice of having full control and final say on the 53 man roster vs answering to the GM w/o control of the team roster, 99.9% of the time the perspective head coach will opt for full control and final say. Example is Jeff Fisher, he interviewed for both the Miami and St Louis jobs. All things being equal most folks would choose Miami. However Miami didn't offer full control, St. Louis did and Fisher is the Rams Head Coach.
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Yeah I can agree that the coach should have final say of the 53... and the GM has say on who is brought in to compete for the 53.

It's a symbiotic relationship. They have to work together to have any success at all
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/26/obrien-may-not-be-a-sure-thing-to-jump-to-nfl/

Less than two years removed from crippling Sandusky-fueled sanctions and still two seasons away from the ability to compete for bowl games, O’Brien could decide to continue the job he took after serving as Bill Belichick’s offensive coordinator in New England.



O’Brien wouldn’t be the first (or the last) football coach to say one thing and done another, and it would be hard to fault him for making a money grab at the next level. But family considerations also come into play, given that O’Brien’s 11-year-old son, Jack, has a medical condition that prevents him from walking or talking and results in near-daily seizures. The O’Briens reportedly have a high degree of comfort with the local medical care Jack is receiving and the elementary school Jack is attending; uprooting him from that while at the same time finding an acceptable replacement in a new city will present a considerable challenge.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/26/obrien-may-not-be-a-sure-thing-to-jump-to-nfl/

Less than two years removed from crippling Sandusky-fueled sanctions and still two seasons away from the ability to compete for bowl games, O’Brien could decide to continue the job he took after serving as Bill Belichick’s offensive coordinator in New England.



O’Brien wouldn’t be the first (or the last) football coach to say one thing and done another, and it would be hard to fault him for making a money grab at the next level. But family considerations also come into play, given that O’Brien’s 11-year-old son, Jack, has a medical condition that prevents him from walking or talking and results in near-daily seizures. The O’Briens reportedly have a high degree of comfort with the local medical care Jack is receiving and the elementary school Jack is attending; uprooting him from that while at the same time finding an acceptable replacement in a new city will present a considerable challenge.
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Texans Childrens Hospital is just minutes away from Reliant.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 19m
Said on @NFL_ATL Live: Penn St. coach Bill O’Brien is high on #Texans radar. The plan between the 2 sides was to have an interview post-XMas
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Send the jet Bob!
 
I'm all in on bringing in O'Brien........ and call me crazy but I think I want Mangini as the DC. He has the creative mind it takes to get it done on that side of the ball to fix this defense.
 
Texn4life said:
I'm all in on bringing in O'Brien........ and call me crazy but I think I want Mangini as the DC. He has the creative mind it takes to get it done on that side of the ball to fix this defense.
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amazing80 said:
Id prefer Rex
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Jim Schwartz may be out of a job but from what I hear, he's a highly regarded defensive minded coach. Bill O'Brien and Schwartz have both coached underneath of "the hoody".

Could work out just fine...

This is strictly conjecture.
 
I think medical care especially for a child is not only to have a good doctor but one you want treating your kid. The old bed side manner thing.
 
2slik4u said:
Jim Schwartz may be out of a job but from what I hear, he's a highly regarded defensive minded coach. Bill O'Brien and Schwartz have both coached underneath of "the hoody".

Could work out just fine...

This is strictly conjecture.
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with all the talent schwartz has on the defence and he still can't make it work. i would much rather rex ryan but i think he will be a HC job instead
 
O'Brien agrees to an interview with the Texans.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported on NFL Network's "Around the League Live" that O'Brien is one of the Houston Texans' top candidates to fill their coaching job, according to sources familiar with the team's process. O'Brien and the Texans agreed to have an interview after Christmas, which means it's already happened or it will happen in the near future.
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Link.
 
O'Brien is intriguing, but I'd like to know what type of staff he would pull together. Would he bring in a lot of college coaches? Would he be able to pull from Belichick's current staff? That should be a big part in deciding whether to offer O'Brien the job.
 
amazing80 said:
Bill O Brien wouldn't be bad, but we need an alpha dog for our defense. i think best case would be Bill with Rex Ryan as DC, I think rex would do great things for this defense, but wouldn't want him as HC, only DC.
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Rex's biggest problem will be overcoming the bad taste his father Buddy Ryan left in the mouths of Houstonians. I know it was the Oilers and 20 years ago, but the old men have long memories.
 
Marshall said:
Rex's biggest problem will be overcoming the bad taste his father Buddy Ryan left in the mouths of Houstonians. I know it was the Oilers and 20 years ago, but the old men have long memories.
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Winning would wash away a lot of things, not the least of which would be memories. Rex would actually intrigue me a lot as a DC; he might not give a damn about NFL offenses on his teams but by golly his defenses are why the Jets have ever been competitive lately.
 
Glad to hear we landed an interview with O'Brien. He shoots to the top of my list. I didn't think there was a chance of him leaving Penn State. This is the route the Texans need to go if it pans out. Much better than the retread route. Hopefully O'Brien turns out to be the Bellichik assistant that turns out to be a chip of the old block and not a Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini, or Josh McDaniels.
 
Lucky said:
O'Brien is intriguing, but I'd like to know what type of staff he would pull together.
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He will bring in some of his friends who aren't good coaches, but are good friends.


Oops, my bad, I was still thinking of our last head coach...
 
bckey said:
Glad to hear we landed an interview with O'Brien. He shoots to the top of my list. I didn't think there was a chance of him leaving Penn State. This is the route the Texans need to go if it pans out. Much better than the retread route. Hopefully O'Brien turns out to be the Bellichik assistant that turns out to be a chip of the old block and not a Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weiss, Eric Mangini, or Josh McDaniels.
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I would certainly hope he was a step above Bellicheat, rather than a clone.
 
I'm about to reach the point where I might not care if the Texans cheat as long as they win.

The Patriots and Broncos run so many rubs/pick plays with their WRs and TEs and get away with it. I'm waiting for a defender to just start knocking their receivers out when they do that **** but the damn player protection rules and fines are keeping that from happening.
 
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If that's the way it's played now then we need to play that way. Either it's illegal and it's penalized or they ignore it and it is time the Texans got good at doing it.

It's time to win consistently and Belichick's team is one of the few that wins consistently. If he walked out of there and announced that his services were for sale I'd hire him immediately.
 
Since Penn State is on probation is not their season technically over & a deal could be reached with Bill O'Brien now?
 
But the Texans will want to see what David Shaw is going to do - whether he's willing to leave Stanford - and this announcement and any interview won't happen until after the Jan 1st Rose Bowl.
 
beerlover said:
Since Penn State is on probation is not their season technically over & a deal could be reached with Bill O'Brien now?
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He's a college coach - pretty much all of them are available right now (for a price).

Signed,
Chris Peterson, Steve Sarkisian, and lots of others.
 
I would love to get excited about OBrien, but :
1) No real decision has been made yet and we could just as easily wind up with Lovie Smith or somebody who they have not yet even interviewed. and
2) That sad little "Oh God, I hope not" itch inside of me keeps telling me that they may be waiting to see what will happen with the Redskins and Shanahan
 
I'm so happy that we have or will be interviewing Coach O'Brien. I hope Bob pulls the trigger on him. I have said it before, I think O'Brien will be an elite NFL head coach and will be the guy to lead us to the promised land of a Super Bowl.
 
GNTLEWOLF said:
I would love to get excited about OBrien, but :

1) No real decision has been made yet and we could just as easily wind up with Lovie Smith or somebody who they have not yet even interviewed. and

2) That sad little "Oh God, I hope not" itch inside of me keeps telling me that they may be waiting to see what will happen with the Redskins and Shanahan
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You need to get the Shanahan thoughts out of your head. McNair knows we just had 8 years of the Shanahan offense, and no way would he hire that guy.


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Number19 said:
But the Texans will want to see what David Shaw is going to do - whether he's willing to leave Stanford - and this announcement and any interview won't happen until after the Jan 1st Rose Bowl.
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David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
 
Fred said:
He will bring in some of his friends who aren't good coaches, but are good friends.


Oops, my bad, I was still thinking of our last head coach...
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This is the way the NFL works. Our old coach was no different than every other NFL coach in his position. At times, there are variations to the theme. Sometimes, the GM has a little sway, a little influence & he's able to bring some of his friends to the party.

Our biggest "problem" was that Kubiak did a stint with SF a long time ago & had spent a long time in Denver. His circle wasn't very big.... Rick Smith came from that circle.

So let's say we get O'brien. He brings in McDaniels (if Belichick is not grooming him for New England), Vance Joseph stays..... That's a pretty good circle of influence there.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is the way the NFL works. Our old coach was no different than every other NFL coach in his position. At times, there are variations to the theme. Sometimes, the GM has a little sway, a little influence & he's able to bring some of his friends to the party.

Our biggest "problem" was that Kubiak did a stint with SF a long time ago & had spent a long time in Denver. His circle wasn't very big.... Rick Smith came from that circle.

So let's say we get O'brien. He brings in McDaniels (if Belichick is not grooming him for New England), Vance Joseph stays..... That's a pretty good circle of influence there.
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Why would Josh McDaniels leave NE in a lateral move to be OC for the Texans? And why would NE allow him to leave for the same position with another team?
 
Hervoyel said:
If that's the way it's played now then we need to play that way. Either it's illegal and it's penalized or they ignore it and it is time the Texans got good at doing it.
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It's got something to do with the way the do it. We've ran pick plays, but get called for it. I don't know why other teams seam to consistently get away with it.
 
beerlover said:
Since Penn State is on probation is not their season technically over & a deal could be reached with Bill O'Brien now?
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Out of respect for Wade (which I'm past that point) I think Bob will wait till after our last game.
 
michaelm said:
Why would Josh McDaniels leave NE in a lateral move to be OC for the Texans? And why would NE allow him to leave for the same position with another team?
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I don't know what kind of obligations he has to the Patriots. But maybe he's ready to move on, maybe the Patriots have another guy they would rather in that position.... who knows?
 
Number19 said:
But the Texans will want to see what David Shaw is going to do - whether he's willing to leave Stanford - and this announcement and any interview won't happen until after the Jan 1st Rose Bowl.
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MistaRed said:
David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
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Shaw is more than willing and all to happy to return to Stanford if he doesn't get the NFL deal he wants. $7 mil per year and full and complete control of all football operations might be what he wants and is waiting on to make the move. Shaw is on record as saying he likes Stanford and wants to stay. Shaw has also said that he would like to be an NFL Head Coach one day. The Texans are not a likely candidate for Shaw because of the Texans front office control. Shaw's future will become more certain the week after the Rose Bowl. If Shaw remains as adamant about staying at Stanford 2 weeks from now then he certainly becomes much more believable.

Bill O'Brien is part of the Belichick tree and all coaches desending from Belichick have been abysmal failures as NFL head coaches and also disappointing as a college head coaches. O'Brien has not done anything as a head coach that screams great success. Due to his popularity O'Brien like Shaw will also likely demand control of the roster. That eventually will take the Texans off O'Brien's radar as he will probably get a better offer.
 
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Texian said:
Shaw is more than willing and all to happy to return to Stanford if he doesn't get the NFL deal he wants. $7 mil per year and full and complete control of all football operations might be what he wants and is waiting on to make the move.
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Link? Without a link, this is supposition on your part. This is important to understand, because later you state the Texans is not a destination for Shaw, based on this supposition. We don't know that Shaw demands complete control... we also do not know that Texans are unwilling to give up that control.

Shaw may not be looking for $7M/yr, or complete control. He's probably looking for the right "family environment" where he knows he's going to get more than a fair shot to do the job he's being brought in to do.... say 8 years.

Texian said:
Shaw is on record as saying he likes Stanford and wants to stay. Shaw has also said that he would like to be an NFL Head Coach one day. The Texans are not a likely candidate for Shaw because of the Texans front office control.
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^^ this is what I'm talking about ^^

Kubiak had complete control. Capers did not. We don't know what Bob has planned for the next regime. At the moment, it is totally possible that Bob does not.
 
thunderkyss said:
We don't know that Shaw demands complete control... we also do not know that Texans are unwilling to give up that control.

Shaw may not be looking for $7M/yr, or complete control. He's probably looking for the right "family environment" where he knows he's going to get more than a fair shot to do the job he's being brought in to do.... say 8 years.



^^ this is what I'm talking about ^^

Kubiak had complete control. Capers did not. We don't know what Bob has planned for the next regime. At the moment, it is totally possible that Bob does not.
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Yes there is some supposition on my part. It is based on fact that I have never heard of any perspective head coach say, pay me a couple of million less than I can negotiate and give me as little control over the roster and players as possible. To the contrary, basic human behavior indicates perspective head coaches will want to make as much money as possible with as much control over players and rosters as they can get. That's what makes them attractive head coaches.

When you interview for perspective jobs do you tell your interviewer to pay you less than you can make and that you want less accountability with no responsibilities?

Unless the front office has reversed course since whining to NFLN about coaches having to much control, I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
 
Texian said:
Yes there is some supposition on my part. It is based on fact that I have never heard of any perspective head coach say, pay me a couple of million less than I can negotiate and give me as little control over the roster and players as possible. To the contrary, basic human behavior indicates perspective head coaches will want to make as much money as possible with as much control over players and rosters as they can get. That's what makes them attractive head coaches.

When you interview for perspective jobs do you tell your interviewer to pay you less than you can make and that you want less accountability with no responsibilities?

Unless the front office has reversed course since whining to NFLN about coaches having to much control, I have no reason to believe this position has changed.
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So, in other words, you don't have a clue...

I seriously doubt that any first time NFL head coaching candidate anywhere has walked into a job interview and told the prospective employer that he demanded complete and utter control of all football operations.. " OR I'LL STAY AT PODUNK U!!!!!"
 
MistaRed said:
David Shaw has already made it clear he's not leaving Stanford.
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If you have a link to an interview where this position is explicitly stated by Shaw, I'd appreciate seeing it. The only thing I've seen is speculation by the news media.

The Rose Bowl is less than a week away and by next Friday some kind of statement or response is likely to clarify his position.
 
Texian said:
Shaw is more than willing and all to happy to return to Stanford if he doesn't get the NFL deal he wants. $7 mil per year and full and complete control of all football operations might be what he wants and is waiting on to make the move. Shaw is on record as saying he likes Stanford and wants to stay. Shaw has also said that he would like to be an NFL Head Coach one day. The Texans are not a likely candidate for Shaw because of the Texans front office control. Shaw's future will become more certain the week after the Rose Bowl. If Shaw remains as adamant about staying at Stanford 2 weeks from now then he certainly becomes much more believable.

Bill O'Brien is part of the Belichick tree and all coaches desending from Belichick have been abysmal failures as NFL head coaches and also disappointing as a college head coaches. O'Brien has not done anything as a head coach that screams great success. Due to his popularity O'Brien like Shaw will also likely demand control of the roster. That eventually will take the Texans off O'Brien's radar as he will probably get a better offer.
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This pretty much sums up the situation as it currently stands, with Shaw.
 
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