What is the rebuilding path?

[leebigeztx]

You are thinking McCullers who along with Danny Shelton is dropping in rankings but those stats belong to Ark State Ryan Carrethers.

Ok. Teams are scared of 350lb guys. John jenkins last yr went in the 3rd and I thought he was 1st rd talent. Jenkins is the reason saints made that transition seemless.Mccullers is a big,powerful man. He holds the point and when he bull rush,it takes 2 players to stop him.He collapses the pocket and eats up space inside the pocket. He's big,not fat. You put him at nt and watt along with the lbs are a lot better.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't believe in McCarron. Guys that have the most ideal conditions in college scare me. 6 seconds in the pocket, play makers, rarely needs to throw over 30 times a game, amazing run game year in and year out. Defense that gets you the ball deep in opponents territory.

I like guys that have to work for it, that have garbage teams around them and still rise up when it matters like Bridgewater in the Bowl game against #3 Florida last year.

QB 1st, otherwise you will be building the 'foundation' forever. What about our foundation is missing anyways?

Top 5 WR - check
Top 5 RB - check
Top 5 DL - check
Top 5 LB - check (when healthy)
top 8 CB - check
2 top 15 OLine - check

Foundation is built bro. Time to strike is now. Andre's days are numbered and after MegaWatt signs his MegaDeal a whole lot of those other positions start becoming unchecked.

If you believe the Texans foundation is built correctly, then we will have to agree to disagree. If you dont think it will take Bridgewater or any other rookie QB 2-3 yrs to figure things out you're fooling yourself. Sorry AJ aint gonna be getting a ring playing with the Texans. Sad but true.

If you hold it against McCarron for playing behind a great OL with plenty of weapons, did you do the same for Luck when he came out?

 

[badboy]

Did he run around with Newton?

Did who run around with Newton? I was anti-Derek Newton at first even referred to him as "fig" but I saw him develop and then started comparing him to D. Brown's first year of actual play. IIRC Newton in his first season only had 17 plays. 2014 is his third full season and if healthy could be very good as was Brown's as a first round compared to a 7th. I think like others, Newton was forced to come back too soon and we see the results. An injured Duane had a piss poor year also. I was hoping Brennan Williams would push Newton but we saw how that developed. I think we have to draft another OT regardless of having Williams and Q healthy by TC.

 

[steelbtexan]

Ok. Teams are scared of 350lb guys. John jenkins last yr went in the 3rd and I thought he was 1st rd talent. Jenkins is the reason saints made that transition seemless.Mccullers is a big,powerful man. He holds the point and when he bull rush,it takes 2 players to stop him.He collapses the pocket and eats up space inside the pocket. He's big,not fat. You put him at nt and watt along with the lbs are a lot better.

Agreed

One of these NT's (Carrethers/Shelton/McCullers should be available in the 3rd/4th rd range. I would think about 2 of them even if I had to trade up and draft both in the 4th rd.

 

[badboy]

Ok. Teams are scared of 350lb guys. John jenkins last yr went in the 3rd and I thought he was 1st rd talent. Jenkins is the reason saints made that transition seemless.Mccullers is a big,powerful man. He holds the point and when he bull rush,it takes 2 players to stop him.He collapses the pocket and eats up space inside the pocket. He's big,not fat. You put him at nt and watt along with the lbs are a lot better.

McCullers is big and fat. He trimmed (?) down from 390 to 350 and from what I hear has fluctuated between the two. Struggles with leverage. I am not saying your evalauation as a run stopper is wrong I just like another guy better who occasionally gets sacks.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131468/daniel-mccullers
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2013/aug/02/daniel-mccullers-enters-first-practice-with-new/

 

[badboy]

Agreed

One of these NT's (Carrethers/Shelton/McCullers should be available in the 3rd/4th rd range. I would think about 2 of them even if I had to trade up and draft both in the 4th rd.

What about drafting one NT (too many other holes) and resigning Mitchell to replace Ninja and moving him to Nose on 3rd and long to utilize his speed?

 

[steelbtexan]

You really can't go 11-5 & 12-4 and then fall apart and claim to still be an "expansion" team.

Truth is, this team wasn't as good as 11-5/12-4 talent or coaching wise. Neither are they as bad talentwise as the 2-14 path they seem to be headed down. The coaching has been as bad as their record is. Without divine intervention this team should be 0-11 now. (Just think about that for a moment.)

 

[steelbtexan]

The Shanahan/Kubiak version of the west coast offense is sick/dying and needs to be put to rest like old yeller. I personally am tired of a finesse offense especially when they get in the red zone. I want to see some power football and see our ol push some dl backwards on 3 and short or 4th and goal. On defense I don't care if they go 4-3 or stay 3-4 just stop somebody. Disguise some things and mix up the blitzes so the opposing teams don't know who is coming or from where. Build both sides of the ball around our good core players. Build from the trenches out. And can we finally get a fat boy in the middle of our DL?

We may want to think about trading AJ to a contending team next year. I personally want to see him succeed and retire happy. AJ has given everything here and deserves a chance at a superbowl before he retires. I am not sure this team can turn around quick enough for that to happen here. The rest of the players are young enough to continue building with. I'm not saying this team can't turn around quickly. I'm just saying a new coach and gm will need to weigh their options. For sure Schaub needs to go.

I'm a build the trenches guy. Something the Texans have never done and a big reason they are where they are today.

 

[drs23]

I'm a build the trenches guy. Something the Texans have never done and a big reason they are where they are today.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Truth is, this team wasn't as good as 11-5/12-4 talent or coaching wise. Neither are they as bad talentwise as the 2-14 path they seem to be headed down. The coaching has been as bad as their record is. Without divine intervention this team should be 0-11 now. (Just think about that for a moment.)

And without "divine intervention" (I don't know what this means but I assume it to mean we were lucky to win Weeks 1 and 2), we wouldn't have lost by 3 against Seattle (Ben Tate's fumble and the subsequent chain reaction), 1 against Kansas City (Cushing's injury), by 3 against Indy (all the BS penalties, Bullock, Andre's "incomplete catch"), by 3 against Arizona, or by 5 against Oakland.

It can go both ways. We are 2-9. That's what we are. We could easily be something else but we're 2-9. If people can't say "we could have won if......" then people certainly can't say "we would have lost if......"

 

[steelbtexan]

What about drafting one NT (too many other holes) and resigning Mitchell to replace Ninja and moving him to Nose on 3rd and long to utilize his speed?

I get what you're saying, but instead of trying to fill all of the holes in 1 draft, which is what Rick has done yr after yr. I would rather go for value and create depth. Something that Rick also has never done.

I hope the new regime follows the Panthers path that they took in last yrs draft although not in rds 1-2. Star/Short

There should be McCullers in rd 3 and Carrethers in Rd 4. Then you could move Mitchell outside and really improve the DL.

 

[steelbtexan]

And without "divine intervention" (I don't know what this means but I assume it to mean we were lucky to win Weeks 1 and 2), we wouldn't have lost by 3 against Seattle (Ben Tate's fumble and the subsequent chain reaction), 1 against Kansas City (Cushing's injury), by 3 against Indy (all the BS penalties, Bullock, Andre's "incomplete catch"), by 3 against Arizona, or by 5 against Oakland.

It can go both ways. We are 2-9. That's what we are. We could easily be something else but we're 2-9. If people can't say "we could have won if......" then people certainly can't say "we would have lost if......"

I'm saying neither, just pointing out how bad this team stinks.

 

[badboy]

I get what you're saying, but instead of trying to fill all of the holes in 1 draft, which is what Rick has done yr after yr. I would rather go for value and create depth. Something that Rick also has never done.

I hope the new regime follows the Panthers path that they took in last yrs draft although not in rds 1-2. Star/Short

There should be McCullers in rd 3 and Carrethers in Rd 4. Then you could move Mitchell outside and really improve the DL.

If we have my trade down scenario with extra selections (ILB Shayne Skov in third and Andrew Jackson in 4th) I agree. However, that will probably not be the scenario. Ever game you lose, fans will look at two players chosen in close rounds will clamor "you should have gotten a safety" (or whatever). I would love two noses in draft but not at expense of another need. When your starter gets tired, move Mitchell back a few series. There is value in that. Strengthen your starting spots then work on depth.

 

[handswarmer]

there are two paths to take IMO:

Path 1- Use the 1st rd pick to draft a QBOTF, which requires 'nailing it' on draft day and not drafting another BWeeden, Sanchez, Geno, Gabbert, Tebow, VY, etc....

The Read Option is NOT for the long term future of the NFL- Most Read Option QB's are failing because the Defenses have caught up to them by maintaining gap integrity on the DL and the CB's flying to the ball and tackling hard. Some R/O QB's have found success more by staying in the pocket and using the legs when the play breaks down. Newton, Kapernick, Wilson.

So the smart money is more on drafting the QB in the Pro Style offense who can improvise- that's Manzel. Another guy comes t mind but he slips my mind.

This is more likely a path if the owner cleans house of the GM and Coach.

Path 2- Another year of Schaub/Kubiak

Trading down in the draft for multiple picks will build depth but and this is a big but, you have to have faith in your scouts and evaluation process. A Qb can be drafted in the 2nd or even 3rd but lets not get lost in the "Brady was a 6th rd pick" dream full of unicorns and rainbows....2nds and 3rds can still play in the right system.

The amassed picks could be used to draft a lot of depth- the DLine, Secondary and WR position could all use some depth.

In the end, the new CBA limits the rookie contracts so salary cap concerns do not force a trade of the #1 pick. But having a lot of picks is also salary cap friendly.

Lets not forget the Free Agent market- Mike Vick will be available as well as a few other names who have had success in the league and are not named Schaub....

 

[Uncle Rico]

If anyone is in a pro style offense its Bridgewater, definitely not the Art Briles/Kevin sumlin air raid offenses. Have you even watched an A&M game?? SMH.

 

[Texian]

Rebuild, not that painful for some, more painful for others.

1. Fire Smubiak

2. Hire GM with Final Say on 53 man roster. Someone like Eric deCosta. Ensures team always operates with a 5 year vision plan instead of band aids for the season at hand.

3. GM hires Head Coach, someone like David Shaw or Jimbo Fisher whose teams always play well in all 3 phases of the game.

4. 2014 release Matt Schaub and Arian Foster, that's it. Unlikely, Foster after back surgery will be the Foster everyone knows and loves. Expecting Slayton after his neck surgery.

5. Keep Daniels, Joseph and Manning in 2014 because new QB will need and rely on Andre and Daniels. Joseph and Manning are best DBs on roster and unlikely able to replace their level of play. Trying to could result in big step backwards.

6. Along with Schaub and Foster, Manning and Daniels salaries are off the 2015 books and Texans start 2015 year almost $50 million under the cap. If league goes to 17/18 reg season games salary cap likely to increase $10 million to $140 million and Texans would be $60 million under the cap. More than enough to re-sign Watt or trade him for (3) 1st RD picks +. Whatever suits your fancy.

 

[Thorn]

 

[Seegara]

Houston, notable in so many ways, has had the best restaurant name I ever heard (Joey's Old Chicago Doghouse) and the worst (Velvet Turtle). But I'm afraid it's just not a sports city.

 

[SchaubApologist]

Rebuild, not that painful for some, more painful for others.

1. Fire Smubiak

2. Hire GM with Final Say on 53 man roster. Someone like Eric deCosta. Ensures team always operates with a 5 year vision plan instead of band aids for the season at hand.

3. GM hires Head Coach, someone like David Shaw or Jimbo Fisher whose teams always play well in all 3 phases of the game.

4. 2014 release Matt Schaub and Arian Foster, that's it. Unlikely, Foster after back surgery will be the Foster everyone knows and loves. Expecting Slayton after his neck surgery.

5. Keep Daniels, Joseph and Manning in 2014 because new QB will need and rely on Andre and Daniels. Joseph and Manning are best DBs on roster and unlikely able to replace their level of play. Trying to could result in big step backwards.

6. Along with Schaub and Foster, Manning and Daniels salaries are off the 2015 books and Texans start 2015 year almost $50 million under the cap. If league goes to 17/18 reg season games salary cap likely to increase $10 million to $140 million and Texans would be $60 million under the cap. More than enough to re-sign Watt or trade him for (3) 1st RD picks +. Whatever suits your fancy.

i'm down with this plan... as long as we draft teddy bridgewater @ 1.1 and the best avail tackle @ 2.1

 

[TXAg14]

Texans can go one of two ways from the draft.

1) Draft a QB like Bridgewater. Effectively that is telling Keenum to take a hike. Big risk option there, do the Texans get an Andrew Luck or a Ryan Leaf?

2) Take an OL/DL pick first, shore up one of the lines. This is better from the "rebuilding" standpoint as it's less of a risk but it won't immediately improve the Texans from the QB standpoint.

Personally, unless the Texans feel like Bridgewater is the savior of the franchise and WILL be the best thing to happen to Houston since air conditioning, I'd go with the safe pick. Nothing wrong with improving your lines.

I'm also thinking the Texans might find some value at the QB position in the 2nd round. A guy I really like is Aaron Murray. He'd be a lower pick since he tore his ACL a couple weeks ago, but I think if he can recover then he'd be worth a look.

Summed up, the biggest decision, and the telltale sign of how the next few years will play out rests on what the Texans do in the first round.

 

[leebigeztx]

Texans can go one of two ways from the draft.

1) Draft a QB like Bridgewater. Effectively that is telling Keenum to take a hike. Big risk option there, do the Texans get an Andrew Luck or a Ryan Leaf?

2) Take an OL/DL pick first, shore up one of the lines. This is better from the "rebuilding" standpoint as it's less of a risk but it won't immediately improve the Texans from the QB standpoint.

Personally, unless the Texans feel like Bridgewater is the savior of the franchise and WILL be the best thing to happen to Houston since air conditioning, I'd go with the safe pick. Nothing wrong with improving your lines.

I'm also thinking the Texans might find some value at the QB position in the 2nd round. A guy I really like is Aaron Murray. He'd be a lower pick since he tore his ACL a couple weeks ago, but I think if he can recover then he'd be worth a look.

Summed up, the biggest decision, and the telltale sign of how the next few years will play out rests on what the Texans do in the first round.

Robert Gallery and Aaron Curry were safe pick.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I remember last year when, about this time, I was hoping we'd get Manti Teo to team with Cushing in the middle. At that time, it was a pipe dream because there was no way he lasted to our pick in the first round. Everyone was expecting him to go in the 10-15 pick range.

And then a lot of stuff happened and he dropped into the 2nd round and I didn't even want him when our pick came up.

The moral of this story is that there's a lot of stuff that's going to happen from now until the draft. Players' stocks are going to rise and player's stocks are going to fall. We don't even know what sort of offensive system we're going to be wanting this guy to fit into.

Do we take Bridgewater? Carr? Mariota? Man, it's WAY too premature to be getting into those details.

And when we get a new coach, is he going to be in a win-now, Super Bowl or bust mode or is he going to have time? Because if he has time, then he's probably going to want to take a couple of years of suckage to put all the best pieces in place. If he doesn't see "his guy" at QB in this draft, he can go with Keenum and/or some later round guy and try to infuse some talent into the rest of the team.

It's going to be interesting watching this play itself out.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

 

[imatexan]

Houston, notable in so many ways, has had the best restaurant name I ever heard (Joey's Old Chicago Doghouse) and the worst (Velvet Turtle). But I'm afraid it's just not a sports city.

I'm afraid you have no idea what you are rambling about.

 

[Vance87]

I'm afraid you have no idea what you are rambling about.

That happens to him alot.

 

[steelbtexan]

Robert Gallery and Aaron Curry were safe pick.

So were HWNSMBM and Russell, think the Texans would've rather picked Peppers or the Raiders CJ?

 

[HOU-TEX]

I remember last year when, about this time, I was hoping we'd get Manti Teo to team with Cushing in the middle. At that time, it was a pipe dream because there was no way he lasted to our pick in the first round. Everyone was expecting him to go in the 10-15 pick range.

And then a lot of stuff happened and he dropped into the 2nd round and I didn't even want him when our pick came up.

The moral of this story is that there's a lot of stuff that's going to happen from now until the draft. Players' stocks are going to rise and player's stocks are going to fall. We don't even know what sort of offensive system we're going to be wanting this guy to fit into.

Do we take Bridgewater? Carr? Mariota? Man, it's WAY too premature to be getting into those details.

And when we get a new coach, is he going to be in a win-now, Super Bowl or bust mode or is he going to have time? Because if he has time, then he's probably going to want to take a couple of years of suckage to put all the best pieces in place. If he doesn't see "his guy" at QB in this draft, he can go with Keenum and/or some later round guy and try to infuse some talent into the rest of the team.

It's going to be interesting watching this play itself out.

Unfortunately, we can probably scratch Mariota off the list. He chose to stay in College. Good for him, meh for us

 

[leebigeztx]

So were HWNSMBM and Russell, think the Texans would've rather picked Peppers or the Raiders CJ?

I dont ever remember anyone saying russell was safe pick. Mainly because he only flashed a few games his jr year and people questioned his drive before the draft. he was veiwed as an upside pick.I never understood the Carr pick especially when so many people had Peppers as the absolute best prospect for what its worth. The owner wanted this face of the franchise like tim couch for Cleveland. Cleveland also tried the safe pick afterwards with courtney brown and he was a bust.

The point is and have been said a million times, there are no safe picks when your talking about 21 yr olds. I have a 22 yr old in nurding school, but im not sure if she would be motivated to finish if i gave her 5m right now. There is no art to the draft, its about a framework,strategy,and luck. There isnt a pick thats safer than another. Thats why i keep bringing curry and gallery up because thats what was said about those 2 during the draft process. Gallery went to a raiders team that had no one at qb in 04. They passed on Rivers,Big Ben,and even Larry Fitz to pisk the safe LT. People were saying since the lions finished 0 for 16 and coming off the harrington,rodgers,and mike williams busted drafts,they should just take Curry. Trust me,this was a nationwide consent because stafford was the young guy with the cannon and babyfat. Look how stupid they wouldve looked by passing stafford for curry. You cant be jaded by the past failures and have to evaluate every prospect as an individual.

 

[drs23]

...there are no safe picks when your talking about 21 yr olds. I have a 22 yr old in nurding school

...

So how's that going? Is she top of the class or just barely hangin'?

 

[steelbtexan]

I dont ever remember anyone saying russell was safe pick. Mainly because he only flashed a few games his jr year and people questioned his drive before the draft. he was veiwed as an upside pick.I never understood the Carr pick especially when so many people had Peppers as the absolute best prospect for what its worth. The owner wanted this face of the franchise like tim couch for Cleveland. Cleveland also tried the safe pick afterwards with courtney brown and he was a bust.

The point is and have been said a million times, there are no safe picks when your talking about 21 yr olds. I have a 22 yr old in nurding school, but im not sure if she would be motivated to finish if i gave her 5m right now. There is no art to the draft, its about a framework,strategy,and luck. There isnt a pick thats safer than another. Thats why i keep bringing curry and gallery up because thats what was said about those 2 during the draft process. Gallery went to a raiders team that had no one at qb in 04. They passed on Rivers,Big Ben,and even Larry Fitz to pisk the safe LT. People were saying since the lions finished 0 for 16 and coming off the harrington,rodgers,and mike williams busted drafts,they should just take Curry. Trust me,this was a nationwide consent because stafford was the young guy with the cannon and babyfat. Look how stupid they wouldve looked by passing stafford for curry. You cant be jaded by the past failures and have to evaluate every prospect as an individual.

The difference is I dont see Bridgewater in the class of Stafford. You see Bridgewater as a franchise QB, I dont. But I really like the back and forth conversation you are providing. Lots of respect for your hisorical perspective.

I here ya about kids and college. I've got a very bright (took after his mom) 19 yr old that is failing a class because he cant get out of bed and nake it to class by 8:00. (Frustration)

 

[leebigeztx]

...

So how's that going? Is she top of the class or just barely hangin'?

Actually deans list pretty much. The typo on nursing school,lol.

 

[drs23]

Actually deans list pretty much. The typo on nursing school,lol.

Yeah, I know. Just funnin'.

 

[amazing80]

Lets clarify some things for some of you.

Rebuilding - Having to dismantle the team and REBUILD the roster. Something that truly does not happen that often. But when it does the team regresses badly for quite some time. This is what we did when Gary FIRST got here. This is what the Jets and Jaguars are doing.

ReTOOLING - Having to make a few changes, MAYBE you change some coaches and bring in a new philosophy. This is a quick turnaround and will will not require a roster rebuild. We have NEVER done this, but its something a team does to jump start the "heart". The Chiefs and Eagles are the most recent examples.

NOW of those 2, which do you think we are?

Clearly we are just retooling. A new head coach, a defensive upgrade and some upgrades to our oline. (qb is for another discussion) We will bounce back in no time, AND the idea that it takes years to flip a team is garbage and the Falcons, Seattle and Eagles showed you that's garbage.

 

[TexansFTW]

The difference is I dont see Bridgewater in the class of Stafford. You see Bridgewater as a franchise QB, I dont. But I really like the back and forth conversation you are providing. Lots of respect for your hisorical perspective.

I here ya about kids and college. I've got a very bright (took after his mom) 19 yr old that is failing a class because he cant get out of bed and nake it to class by 8:00. (Frustration)

Well, just about every notable draft "expert" would disagree with you.

Let me guess, you believe we should build up the line and draft AJ McCarron?

So he can join the likes of all the other Pro Bowl SEC QBs (not including last name Manning) killing it in the NFL these days? Cam Newton and Stafford are all that's left and w/out Megatron I don't think Stafford would even be a .500 QB. McCarron will fail like all the rest. He should shoot to be a Matt Lionheart, and hope to ride the pine and chill in hot tubs w/ hookers, praying his name never gets called.

We can't continue spending first round picks on our line every year and wait for this mystic QB to come riding in on their stallion. He's no Andrew Luck, but the last one like that before him was Peyton Manning. With that said Peyton only won 1 Super Bowl and a lot of others have won them in the meantime. Teddy is the guy. I am just waiting for April so I can buy my Bridgewater Texans jersey.

 

[leebigeztx]

Prett obvious even this earl y in the process. Get the qb,fill in the other holes.

 

[burro]

I would like to see us take a LB, preferably Anthony Barr, with the first overall. Our tackling is atrocious and we can't cover a TE for anything, LB is the most desperate need.

I may be in the minority, but I'm content to give Keenum a second look next year. Keenum's essentially a rookie and has performed admirably amid multiple systems failure and a regime collapse. With a fresh HC, some hard work, and major oline improvements we could set him up for success and get a real look at what we're working with. Also, he would be cheap compared to a first overall pick or star veteran; this is important because we have a lot of positions to improve on and will need more cap space than we have.

 

[srrono]

With this dreadful season comes high draft position with trade back possibilities also another small advantage is remaining League cuts the Texans have first choice may not help but could be a hidden value in the offseason.

 

[Texan4Ever]

This season reminds me of similarities between the 2005-2006 season where we stuck with Carr for a few years (don't recall how many), drafted Mario Williams (DE), and hired a new HC in Kubiak.

With that being said I would do the following:

1.) Hire Lovie Smith (I want a proven HC and not some OC/DC being given the HC gig for the first time).

2.) Draft Clowney (not the biggest fan but him and JJ Watt can secure the line for years to come)

3.) ?????

4.) Win Super Bowl XLIX

 

[houstonspartan]

Lets clarify some things for some of you.

Rebuilding - Having to dismantle the team and REBUILD the roster. Something that truly does not happen that often. But when it does the team regresses badly for quite some time. This is what we did when Gary FIRST got here. This is what the Jets and Jaguars are doing.

ReTOOLING - Having to make a few changes, MAYBE you change some coaches and bring in a new philosophy. This is a quick turnaround and will will not require a roster rebuild. We have NEVER done this, but its something a team does to jump start the "heart". The Chiefs and Eagles are the most recent examples.

NOW of those 2, which do you think we are?

Clearly we are just retooling. A new head coach, a defensive upgrade and some upgrades to our oline. (qb is for another discussion) We will bounce back in no time, AND the idea that it takes years to flip a team is garbage and the Falcons, Seattle and Eagles showed you that's garbage.

Well said and I agree. I have long said that changing coaches would not be as scary as people think. If you take a hard look at this team, a lot of the pieces are there. It's just a matter of putting it all together.


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[imatexan]

McNair made it clear we are not rebuilding.

 

[Runner]

McNair made it clear we are not rebuilding.

This season made it clear that slow and steady was just another name for under-achievement and repeated failure. Even McNair could no longer convince himself otherwise.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

McNair made it clear we are not rebuilding.

While that's a great idea, I don't know how possible it is. I haven't heard too many owners say, "We're rebuilding now."

On the offensive side, we're built for a Kubiak/Shanahan offense that's based primarily on the ZBS. After being used so much last year, I don't know how much tread is left on Arian's tires and I don't know if we keep Tate. I also don't think we have THE QB. So that means we're going to have to make moves across the line, at QB, and probably at RB.

On the defensive side, we're built for a penetrating 3-4/5-2. Our CBs are risky and the only good safety we have is Swearinger, who's scary in his immaturity. At LB, we've got Cushing who's questionable because of his health and then we've got a bunch of scrubs. On the DL, what we're going to do depends on the DC we get and his defense. If we go to 4, Mercilus and Reed will probably be asked to gain weight and drop down on to the line; if we go to an old-school 3-4, we've got to get an NT and then Watt and Smith become questions.

I think there's some talent on this team but the more I think about it, the more I'm worried that whoever we get to coach is going to have to get really creative to use it and will probably blow things up and start from scratch.

 

[Thorn]

whatever term you used to describe it, with a new head coach they will rebuild. To what degree is the question.

 

[welsh texan]

A few weeks ago I was all for sorting the o line this season and nabbing our QB of the future next season.

With cases struggles, I'm taking a QB first and fixing holes after that.

 

[TexansFTW]

I would like to see us take a LB, preferably Anthony Barr, with the first overall. Our tackling is atrocious and we can't cover a TE for anything, LB is the most desperate need.

I may be in the minority, but I'm content to give Keenum a second look next year. Keenum's essentially a rookie and has performed admirably amid multiple systems failure and a regime collapse. With a fresh HC, some hard work, and major oline improvements we could set him up for success and get a real look at what we're working with. Also, he would be cheap compared to a first overall pick or star veteran; this is important because we have a lot of positions to improve on and will need more cap space than we have.

I am a UH Grad and went to and saw Keenum play MANY games while I was there. It should go without saying I am probably one of his biggest fans and die hard supporters.

With that said... He's gone 0-7. Regardless of how close he might have came all of those games, he's gone 0-7. That includes 3 games to the Jags and Raiders with a first time starting QB. Those teams are dumpster fires and if Case can't beat them after half a season, then I'm sorry, but QB is the most pressing position there is.

The Colts with ALL of their flaws (and everyone knows a 2-14 team has them) took at QB #1 and made the playoffs at 11-5 the next year with one major change... the #1 pick.

 

[TexansFTW]

This season reminds me of similarities between the 2005-2006 season where we stuck with Carr for a few years (don't recall how many), drafted Mario Williams (DE), and hired a new HC in Kubiak.

With that being said I would do the following:

1.) Hire Lovie Smith (I want a proven HC and not some OC/DC being given the HC gig for the first time).

2.) Draft Clowney (not the biggest fan but him and JJ Watt can secure the line for years to come)

3.) ?????

4.) Win Super Bowl XLIX

Take a look at what "The Game Changer" Clowney has done this year and then read a little bit about what NFL scouts have been saying about him and try to convince yourself he is the answer.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/515821/jadeveon-clowney

 

[GuerillaBlack]

I am a UH Grad and went to and saw Keenum play MANY games while I was there. It should go without saying I am probably one of his biggest fans and die hard supporters.

With that said... He's gone 0-7. Regardless of how close he might have came all of those games, he's gone 0-7. That includes 3 games to the Jags and Raiders with a first time starting QB. Those teams are dumpster fires and if Case can't beat them after half a season, then I'm sorry, but QB is the most pressing position there is.

The Colts with ALL of their flaws (and everyone knows a 2-14 team has them) took at QB #1 and made the playoffs at 11-5 the next year with one major change... the #1 pick.

O-7. In two of those games, he did not even get to finish the third quarter. The Texans D giving up big play to big play against Oakland. Jags have been playing better. I'm not going to worry too much about the record that Keenum has right now. I don't think that is fair to put that on him when the team is complete **** this season. I'm more focused on how Keenum is ACTUALLY PLAYING. Going by his actual play (and taking into account Kubiak), he has done okay. He has shown enough flashes imo to still have that potential of being a starting QB for a playoff team. At worst, he is one of the better backups in the NFL.

I do not believe there is a franchise QB at the top, so take Clowney and see how far Manziel falls would be what I would do. NO TEDDY!

 

[Pantherstang84]

O-7. In two of those games, he did not even get to finish the third quarter. The Texans D giving up big play to big play against Oakland. Jags have been playing better. I'm not going to worry too much about the record that Keenum has right now. I don't think that is fair to put that on him when the team is complete **** this season. I'm more focused on how Keenum is ACTUALLY PLAYING. Going by his actual play (and taking into account Kubiak), he has done okay. He has shown enough flashes imo to still have that potential of being a starting QB for a playoff team. At worst, he is one of the better backups in the NFL.

I do not believe there is a franchise QB at the top, so take Clowney and see how far Manziel falls would be what I would do. NO TEDDY!

No Johnny either. Keep looking.

 

[Texanmike02]

O-7. In two of those games, he did not even get to finish the third quarter. The Texans D giving up big play to big play against Oakland. Jags have been playing better. I'm not going to worry too much about the record that Keenum has right now. I don't think that is fair to put that on him when the team is complete **** this season. I'm more focused on how Keenum is ACTUALLY PLAYING. Going by his actual play (and taking into account Kubiak), he has done okay. He has shown enough flashes imo to still have that potential of being a starting QB for a playoff team. At worst, he is one of the better backups in the NFL.

I do not believe there is a franchise QB at the top, so take Clowney and see how far Manziel falls would be what I would do. NO TEDDY!

Keenum is not the answer.

He had a few nice spots in his first 3 games and looked like he was doing his part. He started off

57 of 102
822 Yards
7 TDs
0 INT
8.5 ypa
Passer Rating 105.1

In his first 3 games.

Since then?
62 of 117
770 Passing Yards
2 TDs
4 INTs
6.5 ypa
Passer Rating 65.1

Nobody was ready for him and nobody knew what to expect with him in the game. His first 3 games there was nothing to gameplan against but since then it has become painstakingly obvious that if you get pressure on him he will start to feel pressure that isn't there and break away from the pocket. There is no doubting he's exciting to watch, much moreso than Schaub but he is inconsistent and has some glaring weaknesses. He is kind of like doug flutie meets tony Romo.


We need a QB!

Mike

 

[DexmanC]

From what I've watched of Teddy Bridgewater...

He has more physical tools than David Garrard (referenced him due to his display of toughness,) and a mind for the game like Byron Leftwich. He has almost no NFL talent around him, except MAYBE his favorite receiver, #9. When they play big schools, he's shown he's belonged.

Is he a #1 pick?

If the Texans are holding that pick, they have no choice but to take him.