What is the rebuilding path?

[dalemurphy]

If they dnt finish high enough to get bridgewater which I think they will finish with the wrse record,I would take clowney at 2 or 3,boyd with my 2nd rd pick,the tennessee nt in the 3rd. In terms of stacking the qb room, I would have case or tj,not both,and a young vet like tavaris jackson,josh mccown type.

I don't watch a ton of college... But from what I have seen of Boyd, his mechanics are a little long and wild... You think he is an NFL QB? .. I like the idea of having a vet presence at QB, but I would like the competition also... Or, at least hedge my bet. Would you traded a 3rd round pick for Cousins?

 

[welsh texan]

Even if you think it's been as bad for the Patriots and Broncos as it has been for the Texans and Packers, which it hasn't, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady do a pretty good job masking deficiencies.

And again, I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either, because never once in this discussion have I used injuries as an "excuse" for the team's awful roster management and preparation for depth in catastrophic circumstances. In fact, that's probably the biggest problem I have with Kubiak, Smith, and the conditioning/training staff in general. One of these years you'd think they'd say "hey, we constantly get ****ed with injuries, maybe we should bolster the depth of the team for when those inevitable injuries occur" but I guess not.

It's always a shame when the silly reading comprehension (a terrible bastardisation of the English language) insult is resorted to.

Listen, I'm saying when you lose a starter for several weeks you need to have a backup who can step up and hold the fort ready and capable. It should not be a big deal.

When you have a star player go out you should have guys who are capable of role playing to a level where you can mask the weaknesses.

Unfortunately on this team we are nowhere near being able to do that.

We don't have an outside corner on the roster to take over from Jackson, despite the fact we should already be looking for someone to render Joseph a cap casualty at some point, at no level of the organisation has it been addressed.

We've been allowing backups to leave without replacing them over the past couple of years, 3 years ago a few injuries didn't stop us going to the playoffs, for some reason the braintrust didn't realise that the only reason for that was hard work on the 2nd and 3rd string roster, they've simply fallen to sleep on that front.

We don't have quality depth at safety, cornerback, linebacker or dline anymore, previously we did, and it allowed us to get over a few little injuries for a few weeks here and there in addition to a couple of stars on IR.

Teams that are built well do this, this shows that we aren't built well. We can't scheme to cover for the weaknesses of our backups because the backups are way too far from being starter quality.

 

[powda]

Draft #1:

Peppers was a certified freak of nature and everyone knew it...we passed on that for Carr because it was the "right" franchise decision. We know now how flawed that was.

I don't wanna pass on Clowney or an offensive lineman bound for the hall of fame because it's the "right" franchise direction. If new managment isn't 100% on a qb in this draft, hold your water.

Our offensive line has turned to manure and we have very little pass rush. Both of those areas can be fixed with our 1st pick. This is a heavy qb draft and we NEED a qb...but we don't have to repeat history by settling for the wrong guy again.

 

[Thorn]

Draft #1:

Peppers was a certified freak of nature and everyone knew it...we passed on that for Carr because it was the "right" franchise decision. We know now how flawed that was.

I don't wanna pass on Clowney or an offensive lineman bound for the hall of fame because it's the "right" franchise direction. If new managment isn't 100% on a qb in this draft, hold your water.

Our offensive line has turned to manure and we have very little pass rush. Both of those areas can be fixed with our 1st pick. This is a heavy qb draft and we NEED a qb...but we don't have to repeat history by settling for the wrong guy again.

I'll second this emotion.

 

[Number19]

this is extremely disingenuous. we werent any other franchise, we were an expansion team. our best players were retiring jacksonville and jets castoffs and andre johnson.

Don't forget, we had a franchise QB taken #1 in the draft.

 

[TheMatrix31]

It's always a shame when the silly reading comprehension (a terrible bastardisation of the English language) insult is resorted to.

Listen, I'm saying when you lose a starter for several weeks you need to have a backup who can step up and hold the fort ready and capable. It should not be a big deal.

When you have a star player go out you should have guys who are capable of role playing to a level where you can mask the weaknesses.

Unfortunately on this team we are nowhere near being able to do that.

We don't have an outside corner on the roster to take over from Jackson, despite the fact we should already be looking for someone to render Joseph a cap casualty at some point, at no level of the organisation has it been addressed.

We've been allowing backups to leave without replacing them over the past couple of years, 3 years ago a few injuries didn't stop us going to the playoffs, for some reason the braintrust didn't realise that the only reason for that was hard work on the 2nd and 3rd string roster, they've simply fallen to sleep on that front.

We don't have quality depth at safety, cornerback, linebacker or dline anymore, previously we did, and it allowed us to get over a few little injuries for a few weeks here and there in addition to a couple of stars on IR.

Teams that are built well do this, this shows that we aren't built well. We can't scheme to cover for the weaknesses of our backups because the backups are way too far from being starter quality.

And I haven't said anything different. I don't know why you're busting my balls on this. That's why I resorted to the reading comprehension comment. But the problem is that sometimes, losing starters IS a big deal. We can say "next man up!" all we want but the fact of the matter is that your starters are starters for a reason. Just like it's okay to criticize a ref for a horrible call or a horrible no-call, it is also okay to say that injuries can often be very big deals, especially when dealt with in large quantities.

 

[dalemurphy]

Draft #1:

Peppers was a certified freak of nature and everyone knew it...we passed on that for Carr because it was the "right" franchise decision. We know now how flawed that was.

I don't wanna pass on Clowney or an offensive lineman bound for the hall of fame because it's the "right" franchise direction. If new managment isn't 100% on a qb in this draft, hold your water.

Our offensive line has turned to manure and we have very little pass rush. Both of those areas can be fixed with our 1st pick. This is a heavy qb draft and we NEED a qb...but we don't have to repeat history by settling for the wrong guy again.

I wouldn't let history impact my current decision that way. In 2006, we took the pass rushing "freak" with mixed results. I simply want a thoughtful decision made based on the information in front of them.

 

[Number19]

Come on! That is the definition of disingenuous. They blew it this year, no doubt... But, the rebuilding was done and a talented team was put together in about 4 to 5 years. That team didn't get it done in 2011 or 2012. 2013 shows the players aren't responding to the system or coaches anymore and a change is needed.. But the rebuild was done and done well... Perhaps a little slow.

Nice, and accurate, observation.

 

[powda]

I wouldn't let history impact my current decision that way. In 2006, we took the pass rushing "freak" with mixed results. I simply want a thoughtful decision made based on the information in front of them.

We could argue the merits of the mario pick but it would probably end in a stalemate and prove counter productive. You bring up a fair point.

Maybe the question we should be asking is:

Would you draft the safe prospect or the high risk/high reward player?

 

[TheMatrix31]

It was Mario Williams, Vince Young, or Reggie Bush.

I don't see what the discussion is. We clearly made the right choice.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

McNair bought into Kubiak's BS that it takes 5+ years to rebuild, which is clearly false. Look at the Chiefs.

Good point. Only took the Chiefs 50 years and 12 coaches to get there, but hey, you don't replace Hank Stram easily!

 

[Runner]

Our offensive line has turned to manure and we have very little pass rush. Both of those areas can be fixed with our 1st pick.

That's exactly what we need! A throwback lineman that plays both ways...

... or did I misread something?

 

[dalemurphy]

We could argue the merits of the mario pick but it would probably end in a stalemate and prove counter productive. You bring up a fair point.

Maybe the question we should be asking is:

Would you draft the safe prospect or the high risk/high reward player?

My point is that I don't want the organization to determine what position to draft based on previous wounds. Hopefully, they learned from the David Carr debacle but that should already be cooked into their scouting and decision-making process. The organization shouldn't look back to an event 12 years earlier and allow the those results to effect this year's decisions because their are some cirumstancial similarities.

 

[Norg]

It was Mario Williams, Vince Young, or Reggie Bush.

I don't see what the discussion is. We clearly made the right choice.

naaa we made the wrong one shouldn't off took any of them


or should of took VY would have eff made the playoffs a lot more often that's 4 sure prob in 2005 and 06

 

[Norg]

bottom line is people around here are scared to hit the reset button and go into full blown rebuild mode cuz they know it will be another 3 years of 8-8 type seasons

 

[HJam72]

I still think this team has a lot more talent than the 2005 team that I do believe needed 5 years to rebuild....well, 4 anyway. Kubiak didn't suck at rebuilding it and making it good; he sucked at taking it all the way, and now that has caused the whole team to eventually crack under the pressure of offseason expectations. Kubiak's real problem is that he just can't beat Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, or a guy like Baltimore's what's-his-face in a good playoff run like last year's. The rest of it is just the team falling apart because they KNOW it.

The team does need a lot of replacements, but it's got a nucleus to build on. I think a new coach and GM could get us back to the playoffs in 2 years. This will probably require a high pick @ QB...

 

[Uncle Rico]

Anyone think Brian Orakpo would give us a hometown discount next year? Local kid who will be a free agent, and hes looked good tonight.

 

[steelbtexan]

Some of us need to quit acting like this team is devoid of talent, because that isn't the case. Nor is it correct to say the team has enough talent to win a Super Bowl.

We're in that in-between stage that people can call it anything they like depending on which way the wind blows through the ears on their skull.

you mean like 7-9, 9-7 talent Gary's famous for?

Injuries, all teams get hurt, but with the Texans med staff stinking again and Gary rushing Brown/Newton/Williams on the field before they had fully recovered from their injuries, it's no wonder that this teams record is what it is.

Now the team appears to have quit on Gary. This has a 2005 feel all over again.

 

[badboy]

If they dnt finish high enough to get bridgewater which I think they will finish with the wrse record,I would take clowney at 2 or 3,boyd with my 2nd rd pick,the tennessee nt in the 3rd. In terms of stacking the qb room, I would have case or tj,not both,and a young vet like tavaris jackson,josh mccown type.

What Nose has 85 tackles and 4 sacks?

 

[chicagotexan2]

I really wish a team would be so gaga over a prospect that we could trade down a little and score extra draft picks. This team has so many needs.

 

[Txn_in_FL]

We're an expansion team. Pittsburgh and Green Bay are not.

How much longer is this going to be an excuse? I guess the Browns, Jags and Panthers are also. Carolina is looking better right now and has been to the SB. The other two are not examples I would like to see emulated.

At some point excuses have to stop being made and people need to be held accountable. 8 years is a long time to be in charge and not really go any wear.

On that note, I'd like to request that upon Matt Schaub's departure, the number 8 should be stricken from the roster forever.

 

[Texanmike02]

This team has some holes but it is not bereft of talent. They have been able to compete with teams. The problem with this team is they play down to the level of their competition and they completely lack discipline. That is a leadership problem. I have defended Kubiak until this year because I thought he was able to compete. I don't think he's a bad coach and I think he will be able to reflect on his mistakes after he is fired but at this point he is toxic here. It is time to move on to someone else. Personally I'm in favor of firing him now. I don't want Wade, hell go find a HS coach and give him the best 5 weeks of his life but get Gary gone. He will land on his feet.

Then start the search. Up and coming coordinators... college or pro... if you are going to stay with this system then maybe baby shabby is worth a look, if not... Brown, Meyers and Brooks can probably play in a different system. Then move to a 4-3. We don't have the NT for a true 3-4 but we have JJ Mitchell and Antonio that have the makings of a nice DL with Cushing as a Mike.. Will look more into it later but this could be turned around in an off season.

Mike

 

[leebigeztx]

What Nose has 85 tackles and 4 sacks?

I can't ever think of the big tennessee kids name. Are those his stats? I wasn't looking at stats, I just look at his stoutness inside and how he moves inside. I watched him forklift guys in the backfield with straight power.

 

[bckey]

The Shanahan/Kubiak version of the west coast offense is sick/dying and needs to be put to rest like old yeller. I personally am tired of a finesse offense especially when they get in the red zone. I want to see some power football and see our ol push some dl backwards on 3 and short or 4th and goal. On defense I don't care if they go 4-3 or stay 3-4 just stop somebody. Disguise some things and mix up the blitzes so the opposing teams don't know who is coming or from where. Build both sides of the ball around our good core players. Build from the trenches out. And can we finally get a fat boy in the middle of our DL?

We may want to think about trading AJ to a contending team next year. I personally want to see him succeed and retire happy. AJ has given everything here and deserves a chance at a superbowl before he retires. I am not sure this team can turn around quick enough for that to happen here. The rest of the players are young enough to continue building with. I'm not saying this team can't turn around quickly. I'm just saying a new coach and gm will need to weigh their options. For sure Schaub needs to go.

 

[leebigeztx]

The Shanahan/Kubiak version of the west coast offense is sick/dying and needs to be put to rest like old yeller. I personally am tired of a finesse offense especially when they get in the red zone. I want to see some power football and see our ol push some dl backwards on 3 and short or 4th and goal. On defense I don't care if they go 4-3 or stay 3-4 just stop somebody. Disguise some things and mix up the blitzes so the opposing teams don't know who is coming or from where. Build both sides of the ball around our good core players. Build from the trenches out. And can we finally get a fat boy in the middle of our DL?

We may want to think about trading AJ to a contending team next year. I personally want to see him succeed and retire happy. AJ has given everything here and deserves a chance at a superbowl before he retires. I am not sure this team can turn around quick enough for that to happen here. The rest of the players are young enough to continue building with. I'm not saying this team can't turn around quickly. I'm just saying a new coach and gm will need to weigh their options. For sure Schaub needs to go.

I agree with some of what u say,but I would like to dispute a few things. In terms of the shannahan/kubiak offense being dead,I disagree. I say this all the time,think players not plays. The plays are the same,they're just called different names. The execution with the personell is why both teams are struggling. Rg3 and the meltdown of schaub along with some missing players required to run the offense is the problem. You can say its a finesse offense,but its the same offense in which foster scored 16 rushing tds. A lot of those tds came inside the 5 also. Does that mean the same finesse offense can't score or move in short space or is it foster has great vision and can find little creases? Green Bay runs a version of this offense,but in the passing game they have better players minus andre. imagine the texans with dez bryant opposite of andre and a vertcal threat who can run at te like graham,cameron jordan,or even martelius bennett. We wouldn't have these discussions.

In terms of trading andre,I wouldn't do it. As much as I would like to see him win a ring,that's not a requirement for a player. If the texans keep sucking and they take a qb,what better way to get the new qb ready? Wayne was a free agent and they kept him to help develop luck. The same was done with cam and steve smith. Not to mention,andre probably doesn't want to go anywhere anyway. I do agree about the big guy in the middle. Not just a big guy,but a big guy who can play.

 

[welsh texan]

I can't help but feel that we are better suited to a 4-3 than a 3-4.

I mean, we need an NT, at least 1 ilb (possibly 2) and 2 ilbs as it stands.

If we go back to 4-3, we still need NT, Mitchell can play DT, move Cush back to olb giving him less responsibility for ranging the entire field to save his knee some, reed can play the other ilb, and draft one ilb (or trade for demeco to return?)

Suddenly you only have a glaring need at 2 positions instead of like 5.

And you've got natural depth having mercilus as an edge rusher and the ability for smith (if brought back at a reasonable rate) to rotate inside.

The transition would be relatively smooth and allow us to focus on fixing the OL and te option of QB if the new staff feel its the right time to do that.

 

[htownfan32]

How much longer is this going to be an excuse? I guess the Browns, Jags and Panthers are also. Carolina is looking better right now and has been to the SB. The other two are not examples I would like to see emulated.

At some point excuses have to stop being made and people need to be held accountable. 8 years is a long time to be in charge and not really go any wear.

On that note, I'd like to request that upon Matt Schaub's departure, the number 8 should be stricken from the roster forever.

But Carolina has something we don't - a franchise QB. I wouldn't have said this before but Cam Newton has shown steady progression. Don't look now, but I think this Carolina team can contend for the playoffs.

And that goes back to the point I've been making consistently in the mock draft threads - if you have a shot at a franchise guy you take it.

 

[Runner]

Some of us need to quit acting like this team is devoid of talent, because that isn't the case. Nor is it correct to say the team has enough talent to win a Super Bowl.

We're in that in-between stage that people can call it anything they like depending on which way the wind blows through the ears on their skull.

How can you say we're a talentless team?

Duane Brown, Chris Myers, AJ, DeAndre (who has been off recently, but he's got talent), Foster on the offense.

DJ Swearinger, Jonathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson (don't say he's not a good #2, because he is), Danieal Manning, JJ Watt, Ninja, Cushing.

This is not a talentless team. It's a shallow team.

The Texans have had good talent through most of the Kubiak era. That is why I always found the slow and steady, "right way" mantra so irritating. The team wasn't doing anything the right way; slow and steady was just some of the fans' way of spinning perennial under-achieving as progress. The second 8-8 season, 9-7, 6-10, maybe even the 10-6 season - the team underperformed to its talent level every time.

What changed last year for the 12-4 record? The team played up to its ability for once. This season it is back to performing well under the talent level. There is no excuse for the last two losses especially - is 4-7 too much to expect from this group? Hardly.

The Kubiak regime - the era of under-achievement and wasted opportunity.

 

[HJam72]

You really can't go 11-5 & 12-4 and then fall apart and claim to still be an "expansion" team.

 

[Aaron]

I can't help but feel that we are better suited to a 4-3 than a 3-4.

I mean, we need an NT, at least 1 ilb (possibly 2) and 2 ilbs as it stands.

If we go back to 4-3, we still need NT, Mitchell can play DT, move Cush back to olb giving him less responsibility for ranging the entire field to save his knee some, reed can play the other ilb, and draft one ilb (or trade for demeco to return?)

Suddenly you only have a glaring need at 2 positions instead of like 5.

And you've got natural depth having mercilus as an edge rusher and the ability for smith (if brought back at a reasonable rate) to rotate inside.

The transition would be relatively smooth and allow us to focus on fixing the OL and te option of QB if the new staff feel its the right time to do that.

JJ at DE in a 43 would be sick!

 

[TexansFTW]

Anyone think Brian Orakpo would give us a hometown discount next year? Local kid who will be a free agent, and hes looked good tonight.

You only give hometown discounts if your home team is a contender or you have no market. Neither holds true here.

You really can't go 11-5 & 12-4 and then fall apart and claim to still be an "expansion" team.

Boom

Finally... everyone talking trading down in the first... When is the last time that worked out effectively for the Texans? Granted we should have new scouts in town but I want to take a stroll down memory lane

2007 traded down from 8 to 10 - We drafted Amobi Okoye (Pat Willis went 11 BTW)

2008 traded down from 18 to 26 - Duane Brown is awesome, no complaints...except the Ravens won a Super Bowl led by Flacco. At least we got Dominique Barber and Steve Slaton

Do NOT trade down! #1 overall player by most scouts is a Quarterback! THE MOST IMPORTANT position and the #1 overall talent! WTF?? There is your answer! Would it have been wise for the Colts to trade down from the #1 pick and build a 'foundation' (Everyone knows a 2-14 team is obviously lacking one). Take Bridgewater PLEASE. Enough building of this mythical 'foundation'.

 

[TexansFTW]

JJ at DE in a 43 would be sick!

He's too good and a lot of his talent would be wasted. You don't want an idiot like Jared Allen or Mario Williams that can only loop around the outside and take down the QB when they hold the ball too long.

Watt puts up the same and better stats WHILE still plugging holes in the middle and stopping the run.

When Mario was here, all Peyton ever did was audible the run to Mario's side because there was always a huge hole over there while he came in looping out wide trying to sack Peyton.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

JJ would be better off at DT in a 43. Majority of his sacks have come from there on passing downs

 

[Aaron]

He's too good and a lot of his talent would be wasted. You don't want an idiot like Jared Allen or Mario Williams that can only loop around the outside and take down the QB when they hold the ball too long.

Watt puts up the same and better stats WHILE still plugging holes in the middle and stopping the run.

When Mario was here, all Peyton ever did was audible the run to Mario's side because there was always a huge hole over there while he came in looping out wide trying to sack Peyton.

The reason why you would make the switch is to maximize your DL play. Ends in 43 are put in a position to impact the game dramatically more than where JJ is now. Not that he is having a whole lot of trouble currently..

 

[TexansFTW]

The reason why you would make the switch is to maximize your DL play. Ends in 43 are put in a position to impact the game dramatically more than where JJ is now. Not that he is having a whole lot of trouble currently..

I see little problem with the scheme and more problem with the talent evaluators behind the scenes. When you have the defensive MVP of the league in one system, I believe it's counter productive to alter his position on the football field.

The problem is we can't draft for sh...beans. Brooks Reed is a joke and Mercilus hasn't shown me first round worth.

Eliminate Wade and bring in someone like Ray Horton. Dude is a 3-4 beast, everywhere he goes he leaves an incredible defense behind. He can eye talent and coach it, get away from the good ole boy stuff and bring in fresh faces.

 

[dalemurphy]

The reason why you would make the switch is to maximize your DL play. Ends in 43 are put in a position to impact the game dramatically more than where JJ is now. Not that he is having a whole lot of trouble currently..

This is too simplistic. 3-4 teams use a variety of alignments, as do 4-3 teams. Either way, Watt will be moved around to be most effective, which is what is done now. In a 4-3 this was done with guys like Reggie White. The issue with a 4-3 vs. 3-4 for impact DEs is primarily for those speed rushers and their comfort level playing with hand down vs. in 2 point stance and being asked to drop into coverage in greater frequency. Watt is not a speed rusher and will always be utilized from outside shade of OT and inside- something either defense can do effectively.

 

[Uncle Rico]

You only give hometown discounts if your home team is a contender or you have no market. Neither holds true here.

I disagree, with proper adjustments this team could definitely compete and contend next year, AFC South and even most of the conference consist of a couple of powerhouses and a bunch of mediocrity.

Don't know where you get this hot market for Orakpo either. I don't envision him an all pro, but a definite skill set as a pass rusher.

 

[powda]

The Shanahan/Kubiak version of the west coast offense is sick/dying and needs to be put to rest like old yeller.

Dead in the redzone. I'd love to get an old school disciplinarian like Caughlin and couple him with 2 innovative coordinators. I want an old hat coach and college coordinators. I'm not really impressed with many of the pro coach options out there right now. blah

 

[TexansFTW]

I disagree, with proper adjustments this team could definitely compete and contend next year, AFC South and even most of the conference consist of a couple of powerhouses and a bunch of mediocrity.

If I'm an NFL player I don't go to a (hopefully) 2-14 team to win a championship that just (hopefully) overhauled all of the front office and coaching staff.

I'd be more than willing to bet we will be bottom 10 in Vegas for odds to win the Super Bowl next year, despite the talent on the field and (hopefully) a new #1 pick. If that holds true there are at least 22 other spots that have a better odds-on possibility of getting you to the dance.

Don't know where you get this hot market for Orakpo either. I don't envision him an all pro, but a definite skill set as a pass rusher.

Don't know why you think I said "hot market". I implied he will have A market, as opposed to NO market. With that said... of course he will have a hot market. He's one of the best pass rushing LBs in the game. I expect him, barring a huge injury before end of season, to be one of the highest paid OLBs in the game. I forsee something right around, maybe a little under Clay Mathews $. 5 year/$60ish. Slow start to season coming off injury, but he's been looking very strong lately.

I'll never remember to revisit this thread when his money is handed down, but if you remember, feel free to look back on this and reply saying that I am correct.

 

[Thorn]

Dead in the redzone. I'd love to get an old school disciplinarian like Caughlin and couple him with 2 innovative coordinators. I want an old hat coach and college coordinators. I'm not really impressed with many of the pro coach options out there right now. blah

At this point I'd settle for something new to b*tch about. Crying about Kubiak is actually starting to get old now. He's so useless and dysfunctional a blind squirrel on the freeway has a better chance.

 

[powda]

Crying about Kubiak is actually starting to get old now.

Yup, and so is the season. I'm ready for the draft. Only 5 1/2 months to go.

 

[Uncle Rico]

If I'm an NFL player I don't go to a (hopefully) 2-14 team to win a championship that just (hopefully) overhauled all of the front office and coaching staff.

I'd be more than willing to bet we will be bottom 10 in Vegas for odds to win the Super Bowl next year, despite the talent on the field and (hopefully) a new #1 pick. If that holds true there are at least 22 other spots that have a better odds-on possibility of getting you to the dance.



Don't know why you think I said "hot market". I implied he will have A market, as opposed to NO market. With that said... of course he will have a hot market. He's one of the best pass rushing LBs in the game. I expect him, barring a huge injury before end of season, to be one of the highest paid OLBs in the game. I forsee something right around, maybe a little under Clay Mathews $. 5 year/$60ish. Slow start to season coming off injury, but he's been looking very strong lately.

I'll never remember to revisit this thread when his money is handed down, but if you remember, feel free to look back on this and reply saying that I am correct.

Dude don't be another chest thumper your not some football nostradamus, just anothe Joe who thinks he could play GM. If you really think Orakpo is in the sane class as Matthews I would recommend a rehab clinic. All the other stuff you spew is rhetoric, completely dismissing the probability of a turnaround is pessimistic to a fault.

 

[TexansFTW]

Dude don't be another chest thumper your not some Lu.d of football nostradamus, just anothe Joe who thinks he could play GM. If you really think Orakpo is in the sane class as Matthews I would recommend a rehab clinic. All the other stuff you spew is rhetoric, completely dismissing the probability of a turnaround is pessimistic to a fault.

I thought that's what message boards were for? And complaining. I do that too. I never said a turn around wasn't probable, I am simply stating probable Vegas odds. If you want to pick a fight with someone, I'll step back and let you have the ring to yourself bro.

I just went to the trouble of putting an email calendar reminder to revisit this thread next June though.

 

[badboy]

I can't ever think of the big tennessee kids name. Are those his stats? I wasn't looking at stats, I just look at his stoutness inside and how he moves inside. I watched him forklift guys in the backfield with straight power.

You are thinking McCullers who along with Danny Shelton is dropping in rankings but those stats belong to Ark State Ryan Carrethers.

 

[Thorn]

Re: What is the rebuilding path?

C:\Texans\Coaches\Dumbass Coaches\Kubiak\deleteall.cmd

 

[htownfan32]

C:\Texans\Coaches\Dumbass Coaches\Kubiak\deleteall.cmd

and MSR lol

 

[Exascor]

C:\Texans\Coaches\Dumbass Coaches\Kubiak\deleteall.cmd

Awesome!

 

[drs23]

You are thinking McCullers who along with Danny Shelton is dropping in rankings but those stats belong to Ark State Ryan Carrethers.

Did he run around with Newton?

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Need figures ?

I need a recount but as a reference the Broncos have 29 players who make a million or more . The Texans have 16 because they paid a bunch of money to the top of the list I guess . The 49ers have 31 players who make a million or more . This explains the special teams situation .

http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Texans&Year=2013

 

[leebigeztx]

He's too good and a lot of his talent would be wasted. You don't want an idiot like Jared Allen or Mario Williams that can only loop around the outside and take down the QB when they hold the ball too long.

Watt puts up the same and better stats WHILE still plugging holes in the middle and stopping the run.

When Mario was here, all Peyton ever did was audible the run to Mario's side because there was always a huge hole over there while he came in looping out wide trying to sack Peyton.

If you don't like mario cuz he was hurt a lot,that's cool,but stop lying. Manning would just step up in the pockets,just like qbs do now because the texans have never had a pocket pusher. Just like now, qb step inside and throw darts cuz the texans have always been small at dt. Even last yr with buffalo,mario had the 3rd highest ratio of hits,pressures and sacks. Without looking , I'm sure he's at the top again. Was he worth 50m guaranteed? Probably not,but don't act like when healthy he's not a probowl caliber de who plays the run and rushes the passer. That's just lying to yourself.