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Ed Reed released

The term "outplayed and outcoached" are such generic terms in the NFL. We've heard this phrase for years.

Belichick 8/22: We got outplayed and outcoached

Do you think Patriots players got their underwear bunched up because their head coach said they got outplayed?

C'mon, these dudes get paid millions to compete. If some generic phrase muttered after a 7 GAME LOSING STREAK is going to reveal the soft underbelly of this franchise, they might not have the mental fortitude in the long run to compete against the Bill Belichicks of the world.

If they cut Reed because he sucks, so be it.

But if they cut him because he was a little critical by using a very generic phrase, then this FO is soft as puppy poop.
 
Double Barrel said:
Even more egregious was Newton saying that he though battle red was fugly.

We need to take the message to where it counts! Twitter, of course.
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I heard he also said, that battlefighting is a myth, he's tired of busting his tail on every play, and he thinks Marciano needed to be promoted to interim HC while Kubiak was out.
 
False Start said:
I heard he also said, that battlefighting is a myth, he's tired of busting his tail on every play, and he thinks Marciano needed to be promoted to interim HC while Kubiak was out.
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Yep, all of that, and he said that Bob McNair has a big butt.
 
So maybe reed should have said "it's on the coaches" and left it at that.


It would have been as short and sweet as kubiak's "It's on me" or Caper's "we didn't execute":kitten:
 
cstyle42 said:
Who else got released in the middle of the season this year. They could have done this to everyone regardless at the end of the year. What statement are they making by releasing all these players now?
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They are trying not to lose the team. But afraid their spirit is broke..or I should say their swag.


Ended after jj had the comment about hate losing after busting his nose and then team came out flat again the next week
 
This season should show the character of some of our players.

I'm really interested to see how the core members of this team conduct themselves the rest of the year.

We know JJ/AJ will give it 100% but i'm wondering if we have any other players who are going to go pointing fingers if/when we continue to lose.
 
Wolf said:
They are trying not to lose the team. But afraid their spirit is broke..or I should say their swag.


Ended after jj had the comment about hate losing after busting his nose and then team came out flat again the next week
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So what's the point of cutting Tim Dobbins, Cierre Wood, Sam Montgomery, Ed Reed, Willie Jefferson now versus the end of the season when they may cut Randy Bullock, Gary Kubiak, Matt Schaub, special teams coach and whoever else.
 
I wonder if he used this when he left Reliant?

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According to justtxyank at clutchfans, credible insider, the way they handled the reed situation was not pretty and the football operations side along with Kubiak are in serious trouble, according to his source.
 
cstyle42 said:
Who else got released in the middle of the season this year. They could have done this to everyone regardless at the end of the year. What statement are they making by releasing all these players now?
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Why don't you look back at this season and see if you can count all the Texans players that shouldn't be playing in the NFL right now.

Then from that group, count how many have publicly criticized the Texans in any capacity.

How many do you get?
 
Double Barrel said:
The term "outplayed and outcoached" are such generic terms in the NFL. We've heard this phrase for years.

Belichick 8/22: We got outplayed and outcoached

Do you think Patriots players got their underwear bunched up because their head coach said they got outplayed?

C'mon, these dudes get paid millions to compete. If some generic phrase muttered after a 7 GAME LOSING STREAK is going to reveal the soft underbelly of this franchise, they might not have the mental fortitude in the long run to compete against the Bill Belichicks of the world.

If they cut Reed because he sucks, so be it.

But if they cut him because he was a little critical by using a very generic phrase, then this FO is soft as puppy poop.
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Exactly. I'm still trying to figure out where the outrage comes from. I didn't even think twice when I heard that.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
According to justtxyank at clutchfans, credible insider, the way they handled the reed situation was not pretty and the football operations side along with Kubiak are in serious trouble, according to his source.
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Meaning the overall Ed Reed situation - the decision to recruit and sign him from the jump - or just this week's situation?

I really think the Randy Bullock mess is a bigger disaster for this team than Ed Reed. Just my opinion.
 
htownfan32 said:
Rick Smith gets a lot of hate on this board, but the good thing about him is that he's got no qualms about swinging the axe.
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...Since when? Opposite actually. We have no reactionary bone in our body. A kicker directly cost you a do or die game and you try out a few guys and do...nothing. A qb sucks the life out of your team and you never do a f-ing thing until he gets hurt and gives you no choice. We wait and wait on under preforming talent before being forced to make a move. Not afraid to swing the axe my ass...
 
Dutchrudder said:
Somebody had to say it. What do we have to lose this year? Honestly, this is the best thing Ed Reed could do for this team because it helps chip away at Kubiak's sterling image in that organization. This team is going nowhere with this front office and coaching, we need more implosions like this to get the ball rolling to axe these guys. I hope someone like Antonio Smith echoes the same sentiment in the future.

The leadership on this team has consistently shown us a lack of accountability for players' performance, and Kubiak especially has shown a stubbornness to make the appropriate changes to put this team in a better position. I don't care how many times Kubiak says "it's on me", that doesn't help this team win. I want a coach who is willing to pull starters who suck, I want a coach who gets in the player's faces when they mess up, I want a coach who is willing to change his game plan (scripted or otherwise), when it is clearly not working. Find me a coach who demands excellence from his players every single week, because I don't think we have that now, on either side of the ball.
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Why?
What team purpose does it serve to say it in the media?

It may satisfy some fans on message boards or on sports talk radio ... may affirm/confirm their speculations ... but what positive team purpose does it serve?
 
A guy speaks his mind, has a voice of his own, lets his opinion be known and what do we do?

We cut and release him. 3 guys, two young talented players smoke weed (cigars whatever) and we cut them straight out.

This Zero Tolerance Draconian style Philosophy HAS. GOT. TO. STOP.
 
houstonspartan said:
Meaning the overall Ed Reed situation - the decision to recruit and sign him from the jump - or just this week's situation?

I really think the Randy Bullock mess is a bigger disaster for this team than Ed Reed. Just my opinion.
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The way they released him allegedy. It was pretty cold blooded. He didn't throw a tantrum, but it wasn't nice. -Justtxyank
 
False Start said:
Its sad to say the lasting image I will have of Ed Reed's time with the Texans is this:

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:wadepalm:
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That's a really nice highlight reel of Ed's tenure with the team. Put a voice of god on it saying something really dramatic with some really powerful music, and this could be worthy of NFL Films!
 
Double Barrel said:
C'mon, man, pro football is a business unlike most.

When the owner of the team comes out and basically says they are signing a veteran player to teach the rest of the team mental toughness, are you really believing a pro football franchise is just like Exxon or Walmart or wherever?

"[W]e have the opportunity to bring in someone that can add a dimension to our team that really, really feels a need that we have. It’s not often that we have that opportunity. We’ve talked before about the fact that as we get into the playoffs, we have to have that level of mental toughness that will allow us to handle the increased pressures that are taking places in that point in time. In order to do that, we need to have veteran leadership on the field."
~ Bob McNair

So that whole leadership angle was only valid if he was going to tow the company line?

This is a sinking ship, but they want to act like it's all sunshine and rainbows on Kirby. Give me a break. We've seen this before, and it's just sprinkles on a dog turd. It's not brownie. It's sprinkle covered poo.

I hope Ed comes out and lays it bare now that he's got nothing to lose. This FO needs to be blown up and replaced. Going from a playoff season to 2-7 is pathetic. No more excuses for status quo.
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What is mentally tough about airing the team's dirty laundry in the media?

How does that show leadership?
 
Ed Reed was certainly able to teach Smubiak some "Mental Toughness"....and the walls they came tumbling down.
 
False Start said:
Its sad to say the lasting image I will have of Ed Reed's time with the Texans is this:

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Its not his fault that his strengths (zone coverage playing centerfield) is the complete opposite of what is required in wade's d (single coverage man to man).

It makes the signing even worse even if reed stayed healthy and kept his mouth shut. It was never going to work out because our defensive philosophy is in complete contradiction with reed's strength as a player.

Horrible horrible signing and decision making.

once again.
 
Now you see why houston media always throws err lob err underhand toss softball questions at the Texans. You rock the boat..you walk the plank.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Let's just assume that Ed Reed's going away was only about his public statement, how's that any different than the real world exactly?
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You gonna relate real life to this event only or across the board?

Besides the fact that these guys jobs are nothing like the real world, let's look at other individuàl scenarios.

Practice fights. You have a disagreement in the office so you and a coWorker come to blows. Happens all the time in football.

Your boss reviewing your work and saying you gave a ****ing ****ty effort. Happens all he time in foitball.

You do well at work and your boss slaps your ass. No?

You do a better job than your competition and tell them "you can't ****ing see me bro!!!!" "Get your weak ass outta here".


Do you taunt your competition by saying: "I saw your sister in the stands...I'm going to **** her brains out later...well her or your fine ass mom...haven't decided" ????


The thing is, football isn't like most jobs. It's pretty unique all things considered and most comparisons to regular jobs fall flat.
 
santo said:
This is why I feel we would never get a fiery coach like Gruden or Cowher. McNair seems to always want to hire "yes" men. :kubepalm::wade palm:
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You think Gruden, Cowher ... or any NFL caliber HC would disapprove of an FO that releases a overpaid, underperforming, has-been that is being critical of coaching decisions? ... :kubepalm:
 
Hmmm. Maybe I wasn't wrong after all. The guy played like a steaming pile of poo here and folks are saying it was because he criticized the coaching? Maybe it was a little of both. Nah. It has to be because he criticized the coaching. :kubepalm:
 
Steal Your Face said:
What is mentally tough about airing the team's dirty laundry in the media?

How does that show leadership?
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Do you honestly believe the term "outplayed and outcoached" during a 7 game losing streak is "airing the team's dirty laundry"?

It's not like Reed named names or specifically pointed out certain players or coaches. Unless there is an interview or tweet that I have not heard about, this is as generic as it gets.

I've heard the term "outplayed and outcoached" for decades. I would not be surprised if it's a term he used as a Raven at some point in the past decade.

And yeah, it is a form of leadership, and Ed being Ed is exactly who they bought. Just because his leadership is not the style they desire during a historic franchise meltdown doesn't mean that it's not a form of leadership.
 
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Wolf said:
Now you see why houston media always throws err lob err underhand toss softball questions at the Texans. You rock the boat..you walk the plank.
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and people still argue about houston having a soft media.

All you have to do is look at how rex ryan is question in new york after a rough game in comparison to the english tea party conference kubiak has with the chron beat writers.

That's what happens when you only have one major newspaper in a major american city.
 
Steal Your Face said:
Completely wrong. There are other ways to lead besides criticizing coaching to the media.

JJ Watt
Andre Johnson
Duane Brown
Brian Cushing
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All of those players were here last year and the owner still brought Ed Reed in to teach them mental toughness against teams like the Patriots. This according to the owner's own words.

McNair was obviously not content with the leadership last season.
 
Lord Bills said:
and people still argue about houston having a soft media.

All you have to do is look at how rex ryan is question in new york after a rough game in comparison to the english tea party conference kubiak has with the chron beat writers.

That's what happens when you only have one major newspaper in a major american city.
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I miss the Post, it was the better of the two papers IMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
Do you honestly believe the term "outplayed and outcoached" during a 7 game losing streak is "airing the team's dirty laundry"?

It's not like Reed named names or specifically pointed out certain players or coaches. Unless there is an interview or tweet that I have not heard about, this is as generic as it gets.

I've heard the term "outplayed and outcoached" for decades. I would not be surprised if it's a term he used as a Raven at some point in the past decade.

And yeah, it is a form of leadership, and Ed being Ed is exactly who they bought. Just because his leadership is not the style they desire during a historic franchise meltdown doesn't mean that it's not a form of leadership.
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Agreed.

And also, right before saying that he said that the team played well but in "certain situations we were outplayed and out coached"

It can't be because of that statement. There has to be more to it because that is nothing.
 
Rey said:
You gonna relate real life to this event only or across the board?

Besides the fact that these guys jobs are nothing like the real world, let's look at other individuàl scenarios.

Practice fights. You have a disagreement in the office so you and a coWorker come to blows. Happens all the time in football.

Your boss reviewing your work and saying you gave a ****ing ****ty effort. Happens all he time in foitball.

You do well at work and your boss slaps your ass. No?

You do a better job than your competition and tell them "you can't ****ing see me bro!!!!" "Get your weak ass outta here".


Do you taunt your competition by saying: "I saw your sister in the stands...I'm going to **** her brains out later...well her or your fine ass mom...haven't decided" ????


The thing is, football isn't like most jobs. It's pretty unique all things considered and most comparisons to regular jobs fall flat.
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This isn't the overgrown Mom and Pops businesses of yester year. football is big business and such is being pounded not so gently into a high paid, but just like your job career.

-See current bully case
-See Head trauma law cases
-See access to nearly every aspect of the game
-See players having to play corporate face men in public comments

Owners wanting billions and players wanting millions can't make the sports out to be some semi-secret fraternity, where men have the license to be glorified too old frat boys. Those days are long gone.

The reason some the stories we have are stories is because these guys are being analyzed and expected to behave like normal adults except of course for three hours or so on Sunday. Not even arguing that it is good for the sport so much, just looking at what's happening versus what "ideal" that people sort wax poetic about.
 
Rey said:
Agreed.

And also, right before saying that he said that the team played well but in "certain situations we were outplayed and out coached"

It can't be because of that statement. There has to be more to it because that is nothing.
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I think there is more to it as well. If JJ Watt said we were outplayed and outcoached he would still be a Texan the next day. They cut Reed for performance IMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
Do you honestly believe the term "outplayed and outcoached" during a 7 game losing streak is "airing the team's dirty laundry"?

It's not like Reed named names or specifically pointed out certain players or coaches. Unless there is an interview or tweet that I have not heard about, this is as generic as it gets.

I've heard the term "outplayed and outcoached" for decades. I would not be surprised if it's a term he used as a Raven at some point in the past decade.

And yeah, it is a form of leadership, and Ed being Ed is exactly who they bought. Just because his leadership is not the style they desire during a historic franchise meltdown doesn't mean that it's not a form of leadership.
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C'mon DB. The guy was completely stinking it up on the field. You know that. We all know that. So, don't you think he should be the one to talk about criticizing anyone, except himself?

If you're playing bad enough to get benched, discretion would follow to keep your mouth shut. Not really a hard concept to grasp.
 
Double Barrel said:
Do you honestly believe the term "outplayed and outcoached" during a 7 game losing streak is "airing the team's dirty laundry"?

It's not like Reed named names or specifically pointed out certain players or coaches. Unless there is an interview or tweet that I have not heard about, this is as generic as it gets.

I've heard the term "outplayed and outcoached" for decades. I would not be surprised if it's a term he used as a Raven at some point in the past decade.

And yeah, it is a form of leadership, and Ed being Ed is exactly who they bought. Just because his leadership is not the style they desire during a historic franchise meltdown doesn't mean that it's not a form of leadership.
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I was a big Ed Reed fan before he got here - but I think he should have kept it "in house".

It's all about timing. In week 2 or 4, his comments would not really be a big deal. But after 7 losses in a row, after the HC has had a TIA and is convalescing at home and the team is being coached by the coordinators, after he has not only played poorly but did so after missing all of training camp and the first two games with an injury that he should have disclosed, after all that happened this year, those comments were very counterproductive.

He said more than just "outplayed and out coached" he rambled on about doing the same thing over and over again the same way. I don't think he was wrong ... I just think what he said was all about Ed Reed not about trying to help the Texans.
 
Double Barrel said:
All of those players were here last year and the owner still brought Ed Reed in to teach them mental toughness against teams like the Patriots. This according to the owner's own words.

McNair was obviously not content with the leadership last season.
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Yep. McNair made it clear several times that Reed was being brought in because of his "mental toughness" and "leadership."
 
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