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Ill Say It. Reed Looks Like Crap

Vinny said:
Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also...dude took about 300 false steps.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.
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Mays had terrible vision....IMO ILB is our biggest need on defense, other than Cushing we have no one who can fill gaps.....he over plays that BIG time and is caught out of position....Reed also f'd up as he should have then filled the gap. Both suck :kubepalm:
 
It's not so much that Reed was at fault for that play, but rather you'd hope a savvy veteran like Reed would sniff out such trickery and make a play, right? I mean, we have all been told over and over that's the reason the Reed signing was a good one. Everyone acknowledged his physical skills were on the decline, but it would be OK because he'd make savvy veteran plays for us.

Right.
 
eriadoc said:
It's not so much that Reed was at fault for that play, but rather you'd hope a savvy veteran like Reed would sniff out such trickery and make a play, right? I mean, we have all been told over and over that's the reason the Reed signing was a good one. Everyone acknowledged his physical skills were on the decline, but it would be OK because he'd make savvy veteran plays for us.

Right.
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Anyone expecting Ed Reed to sniff out & blow up a QB draw has got the wrong guy in mind.

He's supposed to make opposing QBs think twice about the deep ball & take advantage of any mistakes they might make. There are plenty of examples of him failing in this regard that there is no need to reach.
 
thunderkyss said:
Anyone expecting Ed Reed to sniff out & blow up a QB draw has got the wrong guy in mind.
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I expect him to sniff out the play. That's what veteran instincts are for. Blow it up? Yeah, he's not that guy. I expect him to sniff out the play, dive at the guy's feet and get hurdled.
 
In a nut shell, his run support/tackling is suspect due to an attempt to prolong his career or injury, and his pass coverage sucks because he's slow.

Savy? When he starts picking off passes i'll change my mind. Until then he's an old overpriced marlon mcree.
 
powda said:
In a nut shell, his run support/tackling is suspect due to an attempt to prolong his career or injury, and his pass coverage sucks because he's slow.

Savy? When he starts picking off passes i'll change my mind. Until then he's an old overpriced marlon mcree.
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McCree wasn't terrible. Reed is. I'm thinking Matt Stevens.
 
WolverineFan said:
He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?
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WolverineFan said:
On the ball carrier. He does dive in late and gets blocked by Charles. Imagine if Smith had hesitated and cut behind that block. That would have been all on Mercilus.

It doesn't matter though. He kept the play contained to the middle, which was his job. It's just unfortunate that other guys completely blew their assignments.
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He's playing contain on the BALL. Unless he has coverage responsibilities in Charles he should have put his foot in the ground and ran to the ball. When you set the edge you force the BALL/ball-carrier inside. If you can see the ball and it's being held out to you, taking 4 false steps will ensure you won't make the tackle.

I agree that this wasn't his play to make, but he could have shown some run instincts but didn't. My main point or focus was on the middle of the field being a sieve.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


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Probably won't be a popular opinion, but the DLine was awful there.

The play design was brilliant though. Play design was going to screw up the ilbs and DB's. Instincts aren't going to help with that play. The offensive action started left, went right, then back to the left with smith keeping the ball. McClain and Antonio (?) get destroyed and that is why that play failed. They are simply washed out of the play. They are standing straight up and providing 0 resistance. It's hard on the back end when your DLine is getting demolished.

If you look at Reed he jumps hard to his right when he sees the counter action from the RB's. This is a very unusual play so it's not like it's something you see all the time.

Regarding Mercilus, he's not strong enough against the run. He's just not that guy. He's not the beast that some touted him as. A really good player there comes down and smashes the kick out block in the mouth.

Those talking about contain don't know what they are talking about. When you see a lineman or back coming at you to kick you out you're supposed to crash down and squeeze the hole because a kickout block means they're going inside of you.

This is basic football stuff. Traps, counters...when you are being kicked out you are supposed to hit that blocker in the mouth and drive them back. Squeeze the hole down.

Mercilus didn't do that there and he let Jamal Charles or whoever that was off the hook. Mercilus did a poor job there reacting to the play.

I guarantee the NT, RDE and Mercilus got the brunt of the chewing out on that play.
 
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Rey said:
Probably won't be a popular opinion, but the DLine was awful there.

The play design was brilliant though. Play design was going to screw up the ilbs and DB's. Instincts are going to help with that play. The offensive action started left, went right, then back to the left with smith keeping the ball. McClain and Antonio (?) get destroyed and that is why that play failed. They are simply washed out of the play. They are standing straight up and providing 0 resistance. It's hard on the back end when your DLine is getting demolished.

If you look at Reed he jumps hard to his right when he sees the counter action from the RB's. This is a very unusual play so it's not like it's something you see all the time.

Regarding Mercilus, he's not strong enough against the run. He's just not that guy. He's not the beast that some touted him as. A really good player there comes down and smashes the kick out block in the mouth.

Those talking about contain don't know what they are talking about. When you see a lineman or back coming at you to kick you out you're supposed to crash down and squeeze the hole because a kickout block means they're going inside of you.

This is basic football stuff. Traps, counters...when you are being kicked out you are supposed to hit that blocker in the mouth and drive them back. Squeeze the hole down.

Mercilus didn't do that there and he let Jamal Charles or whoever that was off the hook. Mercilus did a poor job there reacting to the play.

I guarantee the NT, RDE and Mercilus got the brunt of the chewing out on that play.
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Play wouldnt look so bad if they had atleast ran the fake to the correct side instead of Smith handing off to air, that makes it even more embarrasing.
 
EllisUnit said:
Play wouldnt look so bad if they had atleast ran the fake to the correct side instead of Smith handing off to air, that makes it even more embarrasing.
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Is Smith improvising with the draw there because the correct handoff isn't made or does he make the same fake anyway but to the correct side?

Either way I just feel :wadepalm:
 
That clip is such bad footage to go by. If anything look at how Smith and McClain got manhandled... Look at the speed of the play I don't bring Reed to fault on it.
 
CorpusTexan said:
That clip is such bad footage to go by. If anything look at how Smith and McClain got manhandled... Look at the speed of the play I don't bring Reed to fault on it.
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I agree. I think some people listen to the commentators & just go with what they said even though it could be completely wrong. Like the PI thing. If someone gets a PI, the first thing the commentator wants to go with is, "He didn't turn his head." Which is irrelevant 99% of the time, but... fans go with it, because the commentator never comes back & corrects himself.

I remember when Koch & Kalu started repeating this, about Reed getting fooled by the play-action to no one. I remembered watching the play, but didn't remember what Reed had done, because there were so many bad things that happened in front of him.

I respect Kock & Kalu's take more than others, so I just smh.. then after watching this gif... I understand the theme, "Ed Reed was a useless waste of money." & there are people out there looking for anything that makes it look like a bad move... so a little exaggeration, & we talk about this play.

I'm not saying the Reed money was money well spent (but it's not like we backed up the Brinks), & I didn't see it, but I'm sure there's another hurdling incident that would make a nice collage with all the ones from previous games (I know I've seen him hurdled in each of the previous 3 games).
 
EllisUnit said:
Play wouldnt look so bad if they had atleast ran the fake to the correct side instead of Smith handing off to air, that makes it even more embarrasing.
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Honestly I think that was part of the play. If it wasn't then it would likely fool a lot of defenders. It looks like it could be a reverse pivot type handoff.

But if you look at it, they aren't so much reacting to the fake handoff, they are reacting the the backs making that counter action.

Smith could have very easily used his left hand to give that ball to Charles. That's what the defense was thinking. If that had happened, they'd have been in a little bit better shape.

But smith kept it. The defense sees the motion go to their left, right, then back left.

I honestly just think it was a great play design by them, good blocking, a mobile qb that could pull it off but not a guy you key on too much...and a poor job by us up front.
 
Vance87 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LD-pDhPcig

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Interesting.

I wonder what would have happened if the TE on Cushing's side didn't cross the field. If he'd have turned his route outside. Then you'd have Cushing covering that whole side of the field by himself. He'd be responsible for both the RB in the flat & the TE..... while Mays would have been sitting there in the middle of the field doing nothing.

I know since the TE crossed the middle of the field & Mays is close to him, it makes sense that he was Mays' man to pick up.... but the other TE just buzzed right by him.

I know the thing right now is to bust on Ed Reed & I'm not trying to defend him, just saying... If they were in man coverage & the TE on the left side of the line ran an out route, who would cover him?

There was definitely some confusion there & Ed Reed was definitely part of the problem (looked like it anyway) but not the whole problem.
 
Every time I open this thread I keep hoping for some Brooks Reed sucks too discussion.
 
Lambert said:
Maybe if he does ever suck, you will be happy. True fan.........
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A true fan doesn't accept the status quo. Mix in a splash play once a season brooks. He's safely locked away behind containment responsibilities and assignment sound football. That's all great but maybe he oughta do something to impact a game once in a while.

We've gotta have the worst tandem of reeds in the league.
 
Lambert said:
B Reed is tied for 3rd in tackles on the team, and you get down on his hair? Maybe you're letting a little jealousy trump your football knowledge?

http://chron.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?teamno=34&type=stats
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yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.
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Ha ha. I guess that little rant explains why you'll never be a coach.
 
Lambert said:
Ha ha. I guess that little rant explains why you'll never be a coach.
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Well, if you think that 1 sack from a pass rusher is okay you are not one either. Do yourself a favor, go through the 3-4 OLBers who have started 7 football games and show me the ones who have only 1 sack.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Well, if you think that 1 sack from a pass rusher is okay you are not one either. Do yourself a favor, go through the 3-4 OLBers who have started 7 football games and show me the ones who have only 1 sack.
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How's this for starters---there are plenty more with less than 1 sack:

Sam Acho ARI OLB 1.0
Russell Allen JAC OLB 1.0
James Anderson CHI OLB 1.0
Akeem Ayers TEN OLB 1.0
Vontaze Burfict CIN OLB 1.0
Kevin Burnett OAK OLB 1.0
Quinton Coples NYJ OLB 1.0
Chad Greenway MIN OLB 1.0
Quentin Groves CLE OLB 1.0
Parys Haralson NO OLB 1.0
James Harrison CIN OLB 1.0
David Hawthorne NO OLB 1.0
Bruce Irvin SEA OLB 1.0
Manny Lawson BUF OLB 1.0
Corey Lemonier SF LB 1.0
Koa Misi MIA OLB 1.0
Dontay Moch ARI LB 1.0
Sio Moore OAK OLB 1.0
Mike Neal GB OLB 1.0
Spencer Paysinger NYG 1.0
Brooks Reed HOU OLB 1.0
Shaughnessy ARI OLB 1.0
Malcolm Smith SEA OLB 1.0
Danny Trevathan DEN OLB 1.0
Courtney Upshaw BAL OLB 1.0
Jason Worilds PIT OLB 1.0
Dwight Freeney SD OLB 0.5


Yes, Dwight Freeny, Sam Acho, Burfict and on and on. They all must suck, huh?

Sorry, don't know which OLB's play in the 4-3, or how many games they have started, but if you go to this site you will see many many more OLB's with 1 sack or less. Try to learn what you are posting about before you go off on someone who is on the team of which you purport to be a fan.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...&archive=false&conference=null&qualified=true
 
Lambert said:
How's this for starters---there are plenty more with less than 1 sack:
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Pretty piss poor work. See below.

Yes, Dwight Freeny, Sam Acho, Burfict and on and on. They all must suck, huh?
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Freeney and Acho have been injured. Burfict is will in a 4-3.

Greenway, Anderson, Harrison also 4-3. Groves - not even a starter. Really bad homework.

Looks like your bold was a reminder for yourself.
 
infantrycak said:
Pretty crap poor work. See below.



Freeney and Acho have been injured. Burfict is will in a 4-3.
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"Pretty crap work" So, if the facts get in the way of your argument, attack the poster. Is that it?

I disclaimed not knowing which scheme any of those OLB's played in, or how many games they had started. However, many were rated in the top 60 for their position in terms of tackle production, so I have to think they started a lot of games. I know Freeny went down two weeks ago, but at the time he only had 0.5 sacks. Point is that you can be a great OLB and still not rack up a big sack total. Sacks are tough to get and often come in bunches. Brooks probably is a pure pass rusher less than 60% of the time. He comes close a lot, lots of pressure, and if you keep doing what you're supposed to do, the sacks will come.

OK, 5 out of 27 that I named were either injured or played in a 4-3 scheme. How about the others?

The most important thing in Brooks Reed's favor is that the coaches---the people who know vastly more football than anyone on this board, including "Moderators"----and who sign the checks, love Brooks.

Infantrycak, if you are in a position to do great research, why don't you tell us all who and how many 4-3 OLB's who are mostly starters have 1.0 sack or less. Don't just stand back and try to pick at someone elses' work.

Incidentally, my bolded words were an admonition not to call someone on the Texans crap if you really don't know what you're talking about. I never called anyone on the Texans crap. I, in fact, was defending one.
 
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Lambert said:
"Pretty crap work" So, if the facts get in the way of your argument, attack the poster. Is that it?
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You asked a question, you got an answer.

OK, 5 out of 27 that I named were either injured or played in a 4-3 scheme. How about the others?-/quote]

Do your own homework. Those were off the top of my head and illustrate your ta-da moment was bogus.

Infantrycak, if you are in a position to do great research, why don't you tell us all who and how many 4-3 OLB's who are mostly starters have 1.0 sack or less. Don't just stand back and try to pick at someone elses' work.
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Again, do your own homework. I wouldn't call blindly pulling an NFL.com list without regard to starting, injured or base D to qualify as work.

Anyway, if you choose to investigate you might look at 3-4's since that is what Brooks Reed plays in.
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Ha ha, yes 3-4's, my bad.

Ok, since you the only research you want to do is to find an error or two in someone else's work, lets' leave it at there are more (many more) than 20 OLB's in the NFL that have started in most of the games who have 1 sack or less.
 
Sometimes you really don't have to add anything to a thread...the poster does all the work needed.
 
Lambert said:
Ha ha, yes 3-4's, my bad.

Ok, since you the only research you want to do is to find an error or two in someone else's work, lets' leave it at there are more (many more) than 20 OLB's in the NFL that have started in most of the games who have 1 sack or less.
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Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.
 
infantrycak said:
Not considering today's games, among starters regardless of injury, replacement, etc. 5 3-4 OLBs have 1 or fewer sacks plus Reed.
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See? Reed is among very select company.

Talking about how many tackles Reed makes (either one of them, actually) is even less meaningful than talking about how many yards Schaub threw for. Worthless.
 
Lambert said:
And those would be?
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As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!
 
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I don't think brooks reed is all that. I don't want him playing ilb unless it's spot duty. I'd rather have a better OLB.

But I think he's be ok if there was a really good pass rusher opposite him. The wolb is mostly your pass rush guy and merciless looked good early in the year, but I haven't seen that same burst, and leverage. But yeah, Reed rushes enough as a solb to produce better sack numbers. He's just not all that good. I remember people kept wanting him to start over Mario as a rookie and how silly that sounded.

All that said, I'm not even sure the db's are making qb's hold the ball long enough for us to get the sack numbers. Even when we blitz it's not doing much.

The team is just a mess as a whole. There needs to be some looking in the mirror and some real evaluation at reliant....if they care about being great. If not then they can just keep ho-humming along.
 
Lambert said:
As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!
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Mrs. Reed, we think your son is nice and all and I'm sure some like his long flowing locks but the fact is, he is not a good LB for the Texans. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
yeah, the Texans could in no way replace his 3 solo tackles and 1 asst per game. Remember the Texans have the best inside pass rush force in football, so Reed is never doubled teamed. Again...1 sack seven games is quite awful for a pass rush position, which OLB in a 3-4 is.

Honestly, I don't give a spit about his hair, only that he is not good at his job, but somehow people (well you) will defend his suckiness for no plausible reason.
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Replace Reed with a average Joe and all of a sudden we are getting torched deep in the passing game.
 
Lambert said:
As it turns out, there are 13 NFL teams that play the 3-4 defense. 9 of them have an OLB who has less than 2 Sacks, counting Freeny and Acho who were injured, but who had less than 2 sacks while they were healthy---that is 70 percent of the NFL teams who run a 3-4 defense. So, you're going to trash Brooks because he is included in the 70% group?

Nice move, "moderators". Way to stick up for the team you ostensibly root for. You should be really ashamed!
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How would you feel if our running back performed at the 70 percentile level?

How about our starting LT?

Would Andre be Andre if he performed at the 70% level?

What if Ben Tate performed like 70% of the back-up running backs in the league?





That's the problem with 70%. We need & want better than 70%, we expect better than 70%. 70% would be aiight if Antonio was having another career year, if Jj Watt was on track for 20-20-20, if Mitchell would be on track for 8 sacks, & if Mercilus was on track for 14-15 sacks.

But they're not. Time to pick on the low hanging fruit.

Then there are those other things an OLB should excel at..... where Brooks is meh...
 
False Start said:
I just want to see him make at least one big play sometime soon.
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He was brought here to help tutor younger players and make an impact in the playoffs, so I'd like to see him wearing a ball cap and toting a clipboard. His mind may be able to still make plays, but his body just isn't. He could make a huge impact by mentoring our young players and teaching them what it takes to be a HoF'er in this league.

Ed was never a big hit machine or a cover type safety. He made his mark by playing centerfield and knowing what an offense's tendencies are. He's an instinctive, reactive player whose body just can't react quickly enough anymore. He needs to be on the sidelines. The only big plays he's going to make will be for the other team.
 
Bob McNair wanted Reed because he thought his team lacked fire and Reed gave Brady fits . That may have been the match to light the fire alright , the fire not to play .:aggressive:
 
False Start said:
I just want to see him make at least one big play sometime soon.
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i'm holding final judgement until denver and new england. i said at the time, we got ed reed for the peyton manning and tom brady, as well as experience in the playoffs. i have almost no confidence that he'll perform in those situations based on how absurdly bad he's been thus far, but i want to see those games before calling for the ax. we were supposed to coast through this early part of the season without even needing him, unfortunately he's contributed to our current collapse.
 
Scooter said:
i'm holding final judgement until denver and new england. i said at the time, we got ed reed for the peyton manning and tom brady, as well as experience in the playoffs. i have almost no confidence that he'll perform in those situations based on how absurdly bad he's been thus far, but i want to see those games before calling for the ax. we were supposed to coast through this early part of the season without even needing him, unfortunately he's contributed to our current collapse.
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I'll buy that when Manning and Brady's release times more closely resemble Reed's reaction times. Is Reed going to drink some magical elixer that allows him to speed up his game to match theirs? Manning and Brady will humiliate Reed, as he stands today. This is an NFL team forum, not an EA Sports nostalgic video game. Final judgement SHOULD'VE come last pre-season by hiring Reed as a DB coach and letting Quin learn from him. Hindsight sux.
 
DocBar said:
I'll buy that when Manning and Brady's release times more closely resemble Reed's reaction times. Is Reed going to drink some magical elixer that allows him to speed up his game to match theirs? Manning and Brady will humiliate Reed, as he stands today. This is an NFL team forum, not an EA Sports nostalgic video game. Final judgement SHOULD'VE come last pre-season by hiring Reed as a DB coach and letting Quin learn from him. Hindsight sux.
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you're 100% right, i'm just keeping my blinders on and hoping someone's going to tell me it's all a bad dream.
 
Yaky said:
Glover Quin + Barwin >>>>>>>>>>>> Ed Reed
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Quin plus a cadaver > Reed.

Algae+ more algae>>>>>>>>>>>>than Barwin. I miss him like I miss the crabs. Add Casey to the mix and we get a ->>>>>>> if that's even possible. Go Iggles!!!!!
 
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