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Schaub is Injured

So is the plan for Schaub to sit out the Chiefs game but then be ready for the Colts at home following the bye week? Why haven't the Texans signed a veteran free agent like Vince Young or Tim Tebow? Guys who at least have a winning record as a starter in this league and would be exciting to watch make plays, or should I say extending some plays with their legs if nothing else.

The Vikings were quick to pounce on Josh Freeman and the Bills already signed Matt Flynn. I just want somebody new for the rest of the season until we can draft somebody in April.

Of course Matt Schaub, sadly enough, is our best option right now. He's not exactly going up against stiff competition in T.J. Yates, who I'd argue is worse despite being more mobile, and Case Keenum - the kid is never even active on gamedays but I'd love to see what he can do.

Ultimately, I'm ready for the QB deep draft in April. There will be a handful of quarterbacks who could be potential franchise guys. We should be able to land one in the first or second round. Maybe even third round but I'd rather get somebody on day one.
 
So is the plan for Schaub to sit out the Chiefs game but then be ready for the Colts at home following the bye week? Why haven't the Texans signed a veteran free agent like Vince Young or Tim Tebow? Guys who at least have a winning record as a starter in this league and would be exciting to watch make plays, or should I say extending some plays with their legs if nothing else.

The Vikings were quick to pounce on Josh Freeman and the Bills already signed Matt Flynn. I just want somebody new for the rest of the season until we can draft somebody in April.

Of course Matt Schaub, sadly enough, is our best option right now. He's not exactly going up against stiff competition in T.J. Yates, who I'd argue is worse despite being more mobile, and Case Keenum - the kid is never even active on gamedays but I'd love to see what he can do.

Ultimately, I'm ready for the QB deep draft in April. There will be a handful of quarterbacks who could be potential franchise guys. We should be able to land one in the first or second round. Maybe even third round but I'd rather get somebody on day one.



Are you fing serious? Why havent the texans signed two QBs who couldnt make it as backups in the NFL? Its as though you dont even pay attention
 
If the Texans sign Vince "Sausage" Young, I'll never come to another game and will be putting my PSL's up for sale.
 
i just feel like reiterating that it's absolutely disgusting to cheer an injury, and incomprehensible for the fan to show up at his house earlier this week. i get that many are angry at schaub, i am too. i get that a whole lot of folks would be glad if he came up with something relatively minor that kept him out of the game (a position i may or may not agree with). but that's not a robot at quarterback, it's a good man doing a job. a man who's great in the community. a man who once the helmet comes off is a husband and father. remember that the next time you get pissed off at a game.

houston has one of the greatest fan bases in the league. but we have a minority that rivals even philly with how nasty they can become.

Can we get over that already, the media hyped it up far more than what it was, yes a few people cheered, it wasn't like the entire stadium was giving him a standing ovation. When he stood up and walked off the field he got more a lot more cheers, now it's debatable if that's because TJ was coming in or him going off, but none the less the media has completely acted like we were on the sideline kicking him in the ankle.
 
Are you fing serious? Why havent the texans signed two QBs who couldnt make it as backups in the NFL? Its as though you dont even pay attention

I agree with you on VY & Tebow. & I'm a VY fan, would love to see him be successful in the NFL. But the Packers said no thank you & went with an unknown. Buffalo said no thank you & went with a talentless unknown.

At the same time, Smithiak not bringing in QBs since way back in the offseason leads you to believe they don't see a QB problem.... We know there was a good chance Schaub wasn't going to make it through the season. Whether you want to call him injury prone or not, it's reality. If their goal truly was Super Bowl..... & Tj looked like he did coming in for Schaub, both times... it really makes you wonder.

This is a talented team & I felt we could win with Matt. Never thought Matt was going to lead us there, but he wasn't going to stop us either. I can see them thinking we can do it with Tj if he takes care of the ball, but I didn't see anything the last two opportunities he had that would suggest as much.
 
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Yeah he isn't playing this week
 
Never been one of Schaub's cheerleaders, but the way people cheered when he got hurt was classless.

The fans aren't playing quarterback and making millions Schaub is and classless or not those players need to be focusing on doing their jobs. Every fan is different and so is every player. But the score on that scoreboard is the true representation of the BS that they're producing on the field.
 
The fans aren't playing quarterback and making millions Schaub is and classless or not those players need to be focusing on doing their jobs. Every fan is different and so is every player. But the score on that scoreboard is the true representation of the BS that they're producing on the field.



You and others who keep bringing money up just further show how ignorant you are and the fact that you dont understand how foolish you look doing it. Stay classy and envious
 
The fan's gave Schaub the locker room back if he is able to come back and play

Exactly.

I just hope he comes out with a sense of urgency. Like his back is against the wall. I honestly don't see how he can not feel like his back is against the wall.

As long as Kubiak has a job, Matt's got a job. But if Matt don't turn something around, Kubiak may be looking for a new team as well. Can you imagine Kubiak & Schaub in Tampa Bay?
 
Are you fing serious? Why havent the texans signed two QBs who couldnt make it as backups in the NFL? Its as though you dont even pay attention
I was more or less being sarcastic but sadly, I'd rather see guys who are at least in good physical shape and can gain some positive yardage if the pass rush is too strong. As oppose to a guy who will just fall down like a wounded duck and is Mr. Automatic sack or turnover machine. Given the state of our offensive line these days, we'd be better off with a QB who can run. Making our backfield that much more stronger in the running game. We already have two of the better RBs in the league. Add another element with a QB who is a threat to take off and defenses would have a hard time trying to stop us - especially in the red zone where we struggle beyond belief.
 
I agree with you on VY & Tebow. & I'm a VY fan, would love to see him be successful in the NFL. But the Packers said no thank you & went with an unknown. Buffalo said no thank you & went with a talentless unknown.

At the same time, Smithiak not bringing in QBs since way back in the offseason leads you to believe they don't see a QB problem.... We know there was a good chance Schaub wasn't going to make it through the season. Whether you want to call him injury prone or not, it's reality. If their goal truly was Super Bowl..... & Tj looked like he did coming in for Schaub, both times... it really makes you wonder.

This is a talented team & I felt we could win with Matt. Never thought Matt was going to lead us there, but he wasn't going to stop us either. I can see them thinking we can do it with Tj if he takes care of the ball, but I didn't see anything the last two opportunities he had that would suggest as much.
I want to have fun and enjoy the rest of this season, win or lose. Even if we took a chance on a quarterback not on the roster right now, and they failed miserably, that would still land us a better draft pick in April so we can draft our future franchise QB. It's a win-win situation no matter what.

The bottom line is this team is boring to watch with Matt Schaub and T.J Yates is even worse. I love Matt Schaub but he's no longer the reliable quarterback he used to be. It's time to move on. That is why people were cheering when he was hurt. It was not to cheer on his injury, it was because they knew it would force Kubiak's hand to make a QB change.
 
You and others who keep bringing money up just further show how ignorant you are and the fact that you dont understand how foolish you look doing it. Stay classy and envious

What's foolish is to be grouping all Texans fans as fans that boo'd Schaub when in reality it wasn't even 20% of the crowd. What's foolish is go even bring up what the crowd is doing when your 2-4 as a football team saying it's super bowl or bust. Fans pay to see the game and players and coaches get paid to play and coach the game. That hasn't changed and that's the reality.
 
If they win I don't care.
Exactly right. I don't care who the quarterback is as long as we're winning games. And if we're going to lose games, like we've been doing with Matt Schaub, I'd rather it be with a more exciting guy to watch. One that isn't going to just fall down and take a sack, or force an interception and poor throw every time he sees a strong pass rush. I've been craving an athletic and more mobile quarterback here in Houston for a long time. Why can't we catch on with the rest of the NFL? Hopefully Case Keenum makes the start at Kansas City on Sunday. I've seen enough of T.J. Yates myself. If Keenum fails then so be it. At least I'd have enjoyed watching the kid play.
 
Exactly.

I just hope he comes out with a sense of urgency. Like his back is against the wall. I honestly don't see how he can not feel like his back is against the wall.

As long as Kubiak has a job, Matt's got a job. But if Matt don't turn something around, Kubiak may be looking for a new team as well. Can you imagine Kubiak & Schaub in Tampa Bay?

Schaub plays at his worst when his back is against the wall. Pressure is his biggest fear mentally and physically. Kubiak knows that and shows you he knows it by trying to protect him by his playcalling but it's got to a point now that he can't even do that. I knew this time was coming 4 years ago. See... lies get weaker over time but the truth does nothing but get stronger and stronger with time. The thing about truth is it does two things it either COMFORTS or OFFENDS. So I'm not surprised to see so many of us fans offended but the ones that knew are comforted in the fact that now this city has to face what Kubiak and Schaub really are.
 
Exactly right. I don't care who the quarterback is as long as we're winning games. And if we're going to lose games, like we've been doing with Matt Schaub, I'd rather it be with a more exciting guy to watch. One that isn't going to just fall down and take a sack, or force an interception and poor throw every time he sees a strong pass rush. I've been craving an athletic and more mobile quarterback here in Houston for a long time. Why can't we catch on with the rest of the NFL? Hopefully Case Keenum makes the start at Kansas City on Sunday. I've seen enough of T.J. Yates myself. If Keenum fails then so be it. At least I'd have enjoyed watching the kid play.

I agree. I just wish that the the pressure Foster gets from Tate we had a qb that can put the same pressure on Schaub. Over the years Kubiak prevented that from happening. Case may be the guy I've seen too much potential in him and I know a good qb when I see one. I just think this is a good ol boy system in terms of the favoritism and loyalty kubiak shows to some areas of the team versus others and when your goal is to truly win a superbowl you gotta cut shat like that out.
 
I agree. I just wish that the the pressure Foster gets from Tate we had a qb that can put the same pressure on Schaub. Over the years Kubiak prevented that from happening. Case may be the guy I've seen too much potential in him and I know a good qb when I see one. I just think this is a good ol boy system in terms of the favoritism and loyalty kubiak shows to some areas of the team versus others and when your goal is to truly win a superbowl you gotta cut shat like that out.

Is your assessment that much better than the rest of the NFL? The guy went undrafted and you dream up a conspiracy rather than realizing that nobody that matters in the NFL give Case Keenum a thought.... Well, except Gary Kubiak.
 
If Case Keenum were a couple inches taller he'd have been drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Let's not overlook why teams passed on him. It wasn't just because they feared he was a system quarterback at U of H. But this kid can flat out play and sling the ball around. I just want him to pump some life into our boring and dead team.

We need something to spark the entire team. That sure as hell isn't coming from an injured and slow Matt Schaub, and a horrible T.J. Yates. If we want to keep losing games and finish the season 4-12 then by all means, keep staring Schaub or let's play Yates. But don't become upset after another frustrating loss.
 
If Case Keenum were a couple inches taller he'd have been drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Let's not overlook why teams passed on him. It wasn't just because they feared he was a system quarterback at U of H. But this kid can flat out play and sling the ball around. I just want him to pump some life into our boring and dead team.

We need something to spark the entire team. That sure as hell isn't coming from an injured and slow Matt Schaub, and a horrible T.J. Yates. If we want to keep losing games and finish the season 4-12 then by all means, keep staring Schaub or let's play Yates. But don't become upset after another frustrating loss.

I like keenum, and I am hopeful that he ends up being a good NFL QB. It. Is possible. I like what I saw in the preseason.

There is no reason to manifest a conspiracy to explain why the head coach hasn't started a 2nd year Udfa QB who has never played a regular season down. Stop acting like Kubiak is trying to keep Keenum down. He is the one coach that has illustrated some belief in the guy... He signed him and also uncharacteristicly used a roster spot to protect him this season.
 
Is your assessment that much better than the rest of the NFL? The guy went undrafted and you dream up a conspiracy rather than realizing that nobody that matters in the NFL give Case Keenum a thought.... Well, except Gary Kubiak.

This is Case's second year on the team my biggest point of my rant was that Kubiak refused to bring in QB and let that QB give Matt Schaub true competition over the years he has coached him. I could see if Matt Schaub was elite but he never was and Schaub was never pushed in training camp like other key players in other key positions on the team. I have faith in Keenum because he has faith in himself and has showed at least that in the limited opportunities he has been given.
 
Is your assessment that much better than the rest of the NFL? The guy went undrafted and you dream up a conspiracy rather than realizing that nobody that matters in the NFL give Case Keenum a thought.... Well, except Gary Kubiak.

Were you making that same argument against Foster when he was undrafted? By your logic no one in the NFL gave Arian Foster a thought... Well, except Gary Kubiak.
 
Is your assessment that much better than the rest of the NFL? The guy went undrafted and you dream up a conspiracy rather than realizing that nobody that matters in the NFL give Case Keenum a thought.... Well, except Gary Kubiak.

I think everyone knows case is a longshot.
 
You don't get it. I find this subject quite ironic after the recent titled threade: Accountability- which was targeted at Kubiak and the Texan organization not having any "accountability".

Ironic, because I am seeing fans not be accountable for their actions and behavior.

:rolleyes: The fans were held "accountable" when they had to pay for overpriced parking, game day tickets, and then had to swallow overpriced beer just so they could be able to sit through the game they witnessed Sunday.

The fans have paid and have been paying their due for decades. What you witnessed Sunday was pent up frustration from a fan base that's tired of being held "accountable" and a fan base that's tired of paying dues. They want to see the fruits of their investment to start paying off. Matt Schaub was just a easy target.. but hey, setting NFL records for pick 6's will put you in the crosshairs.
 
Were you making that same argument against Foster when he was undrafted? By your logic no one in the NFL gave Arian Foster a thought... Well, except Gary Kubiak.

I didn't need to make the argument, because when he was not active for most of his rookie year, people weren't accusing Kubiak of keeping him on the bench due to some "good old boy code".

Again, I like Keenum and am interested in seeing what he can do. My issue is the ridiculous notion that he hasn't started yet because of loyalty or a lack of accountability instead of the simple belief (a reasonable one) that he is not the team's best chance to win right now.... Clearly, with Schaub's injury, that pendulum has shifted, and he is rightly being considered this week.

Realize also, that in a very similar situation, the genius coach: Bill Bellichick only went to the benchwarmer, Tom Brady, after Drew Bledsoe was injured (not because of his poor play and the team's losing)... Then, when Bledsoe was healthy again, late in the season, after Brady had led the team into the playoffs, I believe he reinsterted Bledsoe (who was hurt again). There is nothing mysterious or peculiar about an NFL head coach trusting the veteran QB over a late round/undrafted QB lacking NFL game experience.
 
:rolleyes: The fans were held "accountable" when they had to pay for overpriced parking, game day tickets, and then had to swallow overpriced beer just so they could be able to sit through the game they witnessed Sunday.

The fans have paid and have been paying their due for decades. What you witnessed Sunday was pent up frustration from a fan base that's tired of being held "accountable" and a fan base that's tired of paying dues. They want to see the fruits of their investment to start paying off. Matt Schaub was just a easy target.. but hey, setting NFL records for pick 6's will put you in the crosshairs.


You are under no obligation to continue to pay for the product if you believe it is not a good value. You can probably sell your PSLs for a significant profit and certainly unload your tickets this year for some profit... By the way, if you want to talk about a lack of accountability and poor decision-making, there are few examples better than someone spending $7.00 on a bud light and then complaining about getting robbed. I'm pretty sure you could go 3 hours without a beer at that price, especially given the fact that tailgating is encouraged.

Are you a new member to the anti-Kubiak crowd? Because if your opinion of him has been what it is now, then you surely knew what you were risking when you agreed to the terms and conditions of the season tickets this year.

I, by the way, was a season ticket holder from the first season until the middle of last season. I thought the value was quite good, with exception of the 2005 season, one in which I did significant booing from the stands, largely in response to a clear lack of effort on the field and lack of respect to the game of football. Still, though, I did not boo injuries or unload blame onto a single football player that was giving effort.
 
You are under no obligation to continue to pay for the product if you believe it is not a good value. You can probably sell your PSLs for a significant profit and certainly unload your tickets this year for some profit... By the way, if you want to talk about a lack of accountability and poor decision-making, there are few examples better than someone spending $7.00 on a bud light and then complaining about getting robbed. I'm pretty sure you could go 3 hours without a beer at that price, especially given the fact that tailgating is encouraged.

Are you a new member to the anti-Kubiak crowd? Because if your opinion of him has been what it is now, then you surely knew what you were risking when you agreed to the terms and conditions of the season tickets this year.

I, by the way, was a season ticket holder from the first season until the middle of last season. I thought the value was quite good, with exception of the 2005 season, one in which I did significant booing from the stands, largely in response to a clear lack of effort on the field and lack of respect to the game of football. Still, though, I did not boo injuries or unload blame onto a single football player that was giving effort.

Well good for you,

And while I don't agree with cheering while someone is injured, I'm not going to say "fans need to be held accountable" either (speaking of which.. how do you want them to be held accountable?) or think it's somehow ironic that they aren't. Wrong or right, if you agree with or disagree with what they do.. the fans have paid their price and are entitled to express their opinion. You say fans are " under no obligation to continue to pay for the product".. That would be like me saying the players are under no obligation to continue playing if their little feelings get hurt by a couple of boos/cheers. Sorry, while it was in bad taste to cheer when Schaub went down, I'm not going to shed a tear when overpriced players who aren't meeting expectations are chastised by those paying their salaries.
 
I was more or less being sarcastic but sadly, I'd rather see guys who are at least in good physical shape and can gain some positive yardage if the pass rush is too strong. As oppose to a guy who will just fall down like a wounded duck and is Mr. Automatic sack or turnover machine. Given the state of our offensive line these days, we'd be better off with a QB who can run. Making our backfield that much more stronger in the running game. We already have two of the better RBs in the league. Add another element with a QB who is a threat to take off and defenses would have a hard time trying to stop us - especially in the red zone where we struggle beyond belief.




Well neither VY or Tebow can make it in the nfl so you calling for them just shows lack of judgement
 
What's foolish is to be grouping all Texans fans as fans that boo'd Schaub when in reality it wasn't even 20% of the crowd. What's foolish is go even bring up what the crowd is doing when your 2-4 as a football team saying it's super bowl or bust. Fans pay to see the game and players and coaches get paid to play and coach the game. That hasn't changed and that's the reality.



Im not sure anyone attempted to say all texans fan act in a certain way. For you to keep bringing up money someone makes to justify other issues is silly at best
 
Well good for you,

And while I don't agree with cheering while someone is injured, I'm not going to say "fans need to be held accountable" either (speaking of which.. how do you want them to be held accountable?) or think it's somehow ironic that they aren't. Wrong or right, if you agree with or disagree with what they do.. the fans have paid their price and are entitled to express their opinion. You say fans are " under no obligation to continue to pay for the product".. That would be like me saying the players are under no obligation to continue playing if their little feelings get hurt by a couple of boos/cheers. Sorry, while it was in bad taste to cheer when Schaub went down, I'm not going to shed a tear when overpriced players who aren't meeting expectations are chastised by those paying their salaries.

I'm not shedding tears for Schaub...

But the idea that fans are victims is ludicrous. Nobody is twisting any fan's arm to buy tickets/beer. Not only that, but demand is still high... Your tickets and parking passes are valuable assets. So, anyone disappointed and surprised by this year's product can easily get a good return on the remaining tickets... I believe, also, that the Texan games are available on television for almost no money and you can buy a six pack of good beer for the price of one stadium beer.

I advise all discontent fans to be discerning consumers. It is actually not the fault of the NFL or McNair, but it is the fault of the fans that the tickets/parking passes/beer are priced what they are. Demand is high enough to justify it.
 
I'm not shedding tears for Schaub...

But the idea that fans are victims is ludicrous. Nobody is twisting any fan's arm to buy tickets/beer. Not only that, but demand is still high... Your tickets and parking passes are valuable assets. So, anyone disappointed and surprised by this year's product can easily get a good return on the remaining tickets... I believe, also, that the Texan games are available on television for almost no money and you can buy a six pack of good beer for the price of one stadium beer.

I advise all discontent fans to be discerning consumers. It is actually not the fault of the NFL or McNair, but it is the fault of the fans that the tickets/parking passes/beer are priced what they are. Demand is high enough to justify it.

Who said fans are victims? We're simply saying they've paid their price and are free to voice their opinion without people questioning if they should be held "accountable". Speaking of which, how would you go about holding them accountable? Do you want the Texans to create some kind of gestapo that snatches up fans who boo or express a negative view towards their team?
 
He signed him and also uncharacteristicly used a roster spot to protect him this season.
That couldn't be because you can see enough of that potential for him to get taken off the PS by one of those other 31 teams? Nah, it must've been true love. :kitten:

I don't think Kubiak "hates" Case, I just think that he'll follow his standard "play the higher drafted guy almost no matter what" schtick as he's done before.


Im not sure anyone attempted to say all texans fan act in a certain way. For you to keep bringing up money someone makes to justify other issues is silly at best
If you haven't seen it or heard it, that's on you. I've been bombarded with it ad nauseum since Sunday night.

From Newspapers, to PFT, to Facebook, to ESPN, NBC, ABC, (to comments on here regarding Houston fans don't deserve a championship), etc. - I'm damn tired of all the "classless Texans fans" comments that paint with sucha broad brush.
 
That couldn't be because you can see enough of that potential for him to get taken off the PS by one of those other 31 teams? Nah, it must've been true love. :kitten:

I don't think Kubiak "hates" Case, I just think that he'll follow his standard "play the higher drafted guy almost no matter what" schtick as he's done before.


If you haven't seen it or heard it, that's on you. I've been bombarded with it ad nauseum since Sunday night.

From Newspapers, to PFT, to Facebook, to ESPN, NBC, ABC, (to comments on here regarding Houston fans don't deserve a championship), etc. - I'm damn tired of all the "classless Texans fans" comments that paint with sucha broad brush.



Most outlets I've seen pointed out it wasn't all fans


Oh and you don't deserve a championship, no fan base does
 
Im not sure anyone attempted to say all texans fan act in a certain way. For you to keep bringing up money someone makes to justify other issues is silly at best

NFL is business that makes money it will eventually get brought up that definitely makes more sense to talk about than making the fans accountable. Unless the tickets are paid for fans won't be at the game and players wouldn't be paid as much if at all. Players get upset and say things they don't necessarily mean but some players referred to texan fans. It could be comprehended as all texans fans when I know they were referring to the ones that cheered during the Schaub injury. That whole situation was hyped up by the media more than anything my whole point with that has been this teams focus needs to be about what they are doing on the field during the games not what fans are saying or doing in their seats.
 
Is it ironic that a fan came to Matt Schaub's house and cursed him out then in the very same week Schaub gets on the field plays in ultra safe mode hoping not to make a mistake and ultimately ends up getting hurt... to me that sums up the football manhood and character of Matt Schaub. This guy... I don't know what to say other than Kubiak is definitely not making it any easier for the poor fella.
 
Schaub said he heard and felt a "POP" which he thought was his ankle dislocating and relocating. This can happen with a grade II/III type of ligament tears. But, reviewing the play in slow motion over and over, I noticed something unique. It was evident that Schaub not only had his FOOT significantly INVERTED, but also DORSIFLEXED (pointing back up to his knee) severely. Certainly, no information has really been released. But this can be a classic presentation that fits an injury called "peroneal tendon subluxation." During the typical inversion ankle sprain, the foot rolls in. The forceful stretch on the peroneals can rip the retinaculum (part of the popping noise) that keeps the peroneal tendons positioned in the groove. [See diagrams below] As a result, the tendons can jump out of the groove (the other part of the popping noise). The tendons usually relocate by snapping back into place (completing the feeling the the ankle may have dislocated then relocated). But by then the damage is done, and the appropriate intelligent treatment is a boot/cast for 6 weeks...... most, if not all of that time non-weight-bearing. It should be noted, though, that non-surgical treatment is accompanied by ~50% recurrence rate in active athletes. This would normally result in either surgery or a retirement from the sport.

Normal anatomy:

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During injury:

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Here is a short simple diagramatic video of this type of injury for anyone interested (no blood or gore).

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:rolleyes: The fans were held "accountable" when they had to pay for overpriced parking, game day tickets, and then had to swallow overpriced beer just so they could be able to sit through the game they witnessed Sunday.

The fans have paid and have been paying their due for decades. What you witnessed Sunday was pent up frustration from a fan base that's tired of being held "accountable" and a fan base that's tired of paying dues. They want to see the fruits of their investment to start paying off. Matt Schaub was just a easy target.. but hey, setting NFL records for pick 6's will put you in the crosshairs.

& since some idi0t cheered when Schaub got injured, they'll probably jack prices up again.
 
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