Schaub is Injured

[houstonhurricane]

Schaub said he heard and felt a "POP" which he thought was his ankle dislocating and relocating. This can happen with a grade II/III type of ligament tears. But, reviewing the play in slow motion over and over, I noticed something unique. It was evident that Schaub not only had his FOOT significantly INVERTED, but also DORSIFLEXED (pointing back up to his knee) severely. Certainly, no information has really been released. But this can be a classic presentation that fits an injury called "peroneal tendon subluxation." During the typical inversion ankle sprain, the foot rolls in. The forceful stretch on the peroneals can rip the retinaculum (part of the popping noise) that keeps the peroneal tendons positioned in the groove. [See diagrams below] As a result, the tendons can jump out of the groove (the other part of the popping noise). The tendons usually relocate by snapping back into place (completing the feeling the the ankle may have dislocated then relocated). But by then the damage is done, and the appropriate intelligent treatment is a boot/cast for 6 weeks...... most, if not all of that time non-weight-bearing. It should be noted, though, that non-surgical treatment is accompanied by ~50% recurrence rate in active athletes. This would normally result in either surgery or a retirement from the sport.

Normal anatomy:

During injury:

Here is a short simple diagramatic video of this type of injury for anyone interested (no blood or gore).

VIDEO

I still can't figure out why Kubiak is saying they dodged a bullet and that they are shooting him up in hopes that he may somehow be able to suit up this week. Yes, while that is unlikely what you are pointing out here raises the possibility of a severe matter that they would be required to disclose in full sooner than later...

 

[cstyle42]

Read for yourself.



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9795996/nfl-eyes-fan-incident-home-matt-schaub-houston-texans

Lol you believe that? Of course Schaub downplayed it!!!

 

[ObsiWan]

Exactly right. I don't care who the quarterback is as long as we're winning games. And if we're going to lose games, like we've been doing with Matt Schaub, I'd rather it be with a more exciting guy to watch. One that isn't going to just fall down and take a sack, or force an interception and poor throw every time he sees a strong pass rush. I've been craving an athletic and more mobile quarterback here in Houston for a long time. Why can't we catch on with the rest of the NFL? Hopefully Case Keenum makes the start at Kansas City on Sunday. I've seen enough of T.J. Yates myself. If Keenum fails then so be it. At least I'd have enjoyed watching the kid play.

Repped.
This is exactly where I am too.

Both Schaub and Yates seem to play with the same "make the safe throw" mindset. And apparently, opposing defenses know where that throw is going before they do.

Who to start...??

(a) The QB who goes thru his progressions and if no one is open throws the ball away - or worse

or

(b) the QB who goes thru his progressions and if he sees no one is open thinks "maybe I can run into that open area for a few yards and move the chains..."

hmmm... who to start...?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

good gawd look what the Chronicle posted...

God bless the Chronicle! This is getting more absurd by the minute, and am loving the entertainment value. A Tebow vs VY battle royale to see who will take the Texans to a six win season.

You can't write this stuff.

 

[beerlover]

God bless the Chronicle! This is getting more absurd by the minute, and am loving the entertainment value. A Tebow vs VY battle royale to see who will take the Texans to a six win season.

You can't write this stuff.

Made for a movie. Staring Tim as himself.

 

[silvrhand]

Repped.
This is exactly where I am too.

Both Schaub and Yates seem to play with the same "make the safe throw" mindset. And apparently, opposing defenses know where that throw is going before they do.

Who to start...??

(a) The QB who goes thru his progressions and if no one is open throws the ball away - or worse

or

(b) the QB who goes thru his progressions and if he sees no one is open thinks "maybe I can run into that open area for a few yards and move the chains..."

hmmm... who to start...?

Mobile QB's are going down like flies too though.. The NFL is a passing league now, heck look at Dan Marino, heck I think Matt Schaub is faster than Dan Marino.. but Marino had pocket presence..

I'd rather have a good passing QB, that understands pocket presence and how to move in the pocket and keep the play alive.

 

[Dishman]

Lol you believe that? Of course Schaub downplayed it!!!

Either you saw it go down (which you didn't) or you believe what Schaub says because he was there. Why does he need to downplay the behavior of "barbaric" (Thanks Cushing!) fans? You prefer to believe some hyped up media angle than take the word of the man who lives at that house. Yeah, OK.

 

[2012Champs]

NFL is business that makes money it will eventually get brought up that definitely makes more sense to talk about than making the fans accountable. Unless the tickets are paid for fans won't be at the game and players wouldn't be paid as much if at all. Players get upset and say things they don't necessarily mean but some players referred to texan fans. It could be comprehended as all texans fans when I know they were referring to the ones that cheered during the Schaub injury. That whole situation was hyped up by the media more than anything my whole point with that has been this teams focus needs to be about what they are doing on the field during the games not what fans are saying or doing in their seats.

The nfl is a business and no amount of money getting thrown around is justification for people acting like ****. Further no one working in reliant, for the nfl or one of the nfl teams should expect to have ice or anything else thrown at them outside of a football as that is far beyond the norm for said setting. You can keep talking about money but people's bad behavior have nothing to do with money or lack there of

 

[Dread-Head]

The fans aren't playing quarterback and making millions Schaub is and classless or not those players need to be focusing on doing their jobs. Every fan is different and so is every player. But the score on that scoreboard is the true representation of the BS that they're producing on the field.

I thought brining the man here from Atlanta was a mistake. I've never had any faith in him as a QB; however, applauding a man being physically injured is simply VILE. I've broken bones and had concussions and wouldn't wish that on ANYBODY (well...maybe ONE guy...but he sucks) Are you one of those guys who sits back and watches Nascar for wrecks or Reality TV on the off chance that someone get's hurt? Get off your couch man. Go out and participate in some kind of activity in which you MIGHT sustain an injury and if you break a bone of sprain something you have my word that I will sign your cast rather than laugh at you.

 

[Dread-Head]

good gawd look what the Chronicle posted...

Oh.....HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL No! Put Bill in. BILL! Get that girl off your lap and go to practice damn it!

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

McClain reported that Schaub did not attend this morning's quarterbacks' meeting.....he was getting treatments. He doesn't think Schaub will play Sunday (now that shocks me).

Kubiak reports that Schaub's foot today is quite swollen and painful. He was "standing" on the sideline during practice. I wonder if anyone says what he was wearing on his right foot........sandals, tennies, taped and bare foot on crutches, boot or cast........it wouldn't surprise me if we hear nothing.........

 

[Big Lou]

Mobile QB's are going down like flies too though.. The NFL is a passing league now, heck look at Dan Marino, heck I think Matt Schaub is faster than Dan Marino.. but Marino had pocket presence..

I'd rather have a good passing QB, that understands pocket presence and how to move in the pocket and keep the play alive.

Are you saying now or when Marino played, because I would like to see that foot race (Marino now, and my money is on him).....

 

[cstyle42]

The nfl is a business and no amount of money getting thrown around is justification for people acting like ****. Further no one working in reliant, for the nfl or one of the nfl teams should expect to have ice or anything else thrown at them outside of a football as that is far beyond the norm for said setting. You can keep talking about money but people's bad behavior have nothing to do with money or lack there of

Money is the root of all evil.

 

[2012Champs]

Money is the root of all evil.

that may be true but not does mean anything unless you are explaining your envy for all the money being made

 

[cstyle42]

I thought brining the man here from Atlanta was a mistake. I've never had any faith in him as a QB; however, applauding a man being physically injured is simply VILE. I've broken bones and had concussions and wouldn't wish that on ANYBODY (well...maybe ONE guy...but he sucks) Are you one of those guys who sits back and watches Nascar for wrecks or Reality TV on the off chance that someone get's hurt? Get off your couch man. Go out and participate in some kind of activity in which you MIGHT sustain an injury and if you break a bone of sprain something you have my word that I will sign your cast rather than laugh at you.

Nobody is arguing the fact that it's evil to cheer when someone has been hurt my thing is that it's really weak for a team like the texans to use this subject to cover up their own problems they are having on the football field. The fans have been there for 12 years and 10 of those years were not playoff years.

 

[cstyle42]

that may be true but not does mean anything unless you are explaining your envy for all the money being made

Or all the money being spent by the fans lol

 

[2012Champs]

Nobody is arguing the fact that it's evil to cheer when someone has been hurt my thing is that it's really weak for a team like the texans to use this subject to cover up their own problems they are having on the football field. The fans have been there for 12 years and 10 of those years were not playoff years.

Or all the money being spent by the fans lol

You should pick another team

 

[paycheck71]

McClain reported that Schaub did not attend this morning's quarterbacks' meeting.....he was getting treatments. He doesn't think Schaub will play Sunday (now that shocks me).

Kubiak reports that Schaub's foot today is quite swollen and painful. He was "standing" on the sideline during practice. I wonder if anyone says what he was wearing on his right foot........sandals, tennies, taped and bare foot on crutches, boot or cast........it wouldn't surprise me if we hear nothing.........

I think they're hiding the extent of the injury on purpose

This is from today's practice, courtesy of @KHOUSportsMatt (Matt Musil)

 

[cstyle42]

You should pick another team

This team still has a chance at 2-4 to turn it around and the fans will still be there in full hopefully the players show up too.

 

[DX-TEX]

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 5m
Gumby leg RT @DeepSlant: Schaub says nothing is broken but his injury involves foot and ankle. Some ligament damage, swelling, soreness

Paging Dr Cloak. Dr Cloak please pick up the white phone.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Paging Dr Cloak. Dr Cloak please pick up the white phone.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2230169&postcount=199

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2230514&postcount=245

The inversion/dorsiflexion injury can result in extending Lisfranc foot and ankle ligament injuries. And I still do not rule out the peroneal tendon subluxation, as some will treat them misguidely with an ankle brace or walking boot. This conservative management approach in athletes (i.e.: ankle brace, cast or walking boot) is associated with a low success rate and will commonly require operative repair.

Funny how Schaub is dressed for winter. I would be surprised if Schaub was not wearing at least a heavy fixed ankle brace under those sweats. Playing on Sunday?........put a fork in it.

 

[djohn2oo8]

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2230169&postcount=199

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2230514&postcount=245

The inversion/dorsiflexion injury can result in extending Lisfranc foot and ankle ligament injuries. And I still do not rule out the peroneal tendon subluxation, as some will treat them misguidely with an ankle brace or walking boot. This conservative management approach in athletes (i.e.: ankle brace, cast or walking boot) is associated with a low success rate and will commonly require operative repair.

Funny how Schaub is dressed for winter. I would be surprised if Schaub was not wearing at least a heavy fixed ankle brace under those sweats. Playing on Sunday?........put a fork in it.

Can that be season ending?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Can that be season ending?

Would expect anywhere from 4-8 weeks, but would not rule out season ending if not treated with proper rest and rehab.

 

[DBCooper]

Can that be season ending?

Can you imagine the standing O and the tears of joy?

 

[chicagotexan2]

Can you imagine the standing O and the tears of joy?

This is what really sucks. Nobody or not nearly as many people would be happy about Schaubs injury keeping him out if only our inept HC had justifiably pulled him for simply sucking beforehand.

 

[chicagotexan2]

I think they're hiding the extent of the injury on purpose

This is from today's practice, courtesy of @KHOUSportsMatt (Matt Musil)

Is it me or does schaub looks like this guy

 

[Dread-Head]

Nobody is arguing the fact that it's evil to cheer when someone has been hurt my thing is that it's really weak for a team like the texans to use this subject to cover up their own problems they are having on the football field. The fans have been there for 12 years and 10 of those years were not playoff years.

We're ALL frustrated and at the end of the day some heads will roll. Whose head is up for debate. While I'm NOT a fan of Schaub I'm wishing the muff-hugga a speedy recovery.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I think they're hiding the extent of the injury on purpose

This is from today's practice, courtesy of @KHOUSportsMatt (Matt Musil)

Depending on the exact injuries, solid modified ankle braces like these (some with solid foot sole extensions for foot stability), in addition to taping over the arch of the foot as necessary, can be worn with athletic shoes.