Schaub is Injured

[bOODRO87]

It's not about how much money they make you ****ing piece of ****. You are an embarrassment to the city of Houston.

Tough titty. It's exactly why they play. The lights, the fame, and the money is stupid good. If he got Trent Green'd, I get all the fuss. But its an ankle. Now Schaub gets to take a couple weeks off while smiling at his bank account. Man, what a rough life..

 

[2012Champs]

Tough titty. It's exactly why they play. The lights, the fame, and the money is stupid good. If he got Trent Green'd, I get all the fuss. But its an ankle. Now Schaub gets to take a couple weeks off while smiling at his bank account. Man, what a rough life..

So if he only made 40k a year this would somehow be different?



This series of events really show off the idiots

 

[infantrycak]

Tough titty. It's exactly why they play. The lights, the fame, and the money is stupid good. If he got Trent Green'd, I get all the fuss. But its an ankle. Now Schaub gets to take a couple weeks off while smiling at his bank account. Man, what a rough life..

What the injury is does not matter. The fans did not know the injury when they cheered. That is just a BS worthless argument.

 

[bOODRO87]

So if he only made 40k a year this would somehow be different?



This series of events really show off the idiots

Look, this is apart of the job. Marines know what they are signing up for. You are playing in the g'damn NFL and can have generations of your family set if you're smart with the money. I'd take that deal anyday knowing I would get hurt.

 

[C Madd]

Tough titty. It's exactly why they play. The lights, the fame, and the money is stupid good. If he got Trent Green'd, I get all the fuss. But its an ankle. Now Schaub gets to take a couple weeks off while smiling at his bank account. Man, what a rough life..

What does his salary have to do with cheering when he gets injured? Should we celebrate if Bill Gates breaks his leg? Throw a parade if Warren Buffet dislocates his shoulder?

Your justification is bad and you should feel bad. </zoidberg>

 

[Dishman]

So if he only made 40k a year this would somehow be different?



This series of events really show off the idiots

Well, if he made 40K a year he'd be sitting behind a desk and fans of the Houston Texans wouldn't even know his name. They certainly wouldn't boo him after an ankle injury during a local flag football match because he'd be inconsequential to the success of the Texans.

These guys are paid a lot of money to play under the heat of the bright lights of the NFL. So, yes, it'd invariably be a different story.

Add that to years of disappointment and frustration with the Texans and the previous NFL history in town and you have the ingredients for a disastrous situation.

 

[cstyle42]

Seriously how weak is it that as players you dog out the fans... the comments by the players are ridiculous. In this situation of playing horrible on the field in embarrassing fashion the players dog out the fans versus telling the media the fans deserve better play out of us first before going into how classless the fans are? Shows me Kubiak not holding the right people accountable has fizzled down to the players too.

 

[2012Champs]

Seriously how weak is it that as players you dog out the fans... the comments by the players are ridiculous. In this situation of playing horrible on the field in embarrassing fashion the players dog out the fans versus telling the media the fans deserve better play out of us first before going into how classless the fans are? Shows me Kubiak not holding the right people accountable has fizzled down to the players too.

its weak to cheer someone getting hurt, to play that off somehow is weak

 

[Mr teX]

Seriously how weak is it that as players you dog out the fans... the comments by the players are ridiculous. In this situation of playing horrible on the field in embarrassing fashion the players dog out the fans versus telling the media the fans deserve better play out of us first before going into how classless the fans are? Shows me Kubiak not holding the right people accountable has fizzled down to the players too.

how weak is it that fans cheer & are happy a guy got injured? Simply stating that they should play better has little to no bearing on your actions, no matter how upset you get that they aren't playing well.

-you dont have to watch the game
-you dont have to go to the game
-you can do nothing
- you can show class & wish the best for the guy
-hell, you can take that time he's down on the field to go to the restroom or do something else...anything else.

Those are the obvious options you have completely at your disposal to not come off as an idiot. Why not draw from the list of options you have more control over as opposed to getting mad about the players having the audacity to call you out for something that was obviously classless?

 

[DBCooper]

This series of events really show off the idiots

Yep, making them shine with their own stupidity.

And the more they rationalize the argument the more asinine they look.

 

[Big52Hurt]

sup fellas? although I live on the east coast now, I use to live in Texas for 8 years. I know that Texans aren't as bad as the picture that is being painted about them and the Texans fan base at the moment. to boo a fallen player for your franchise that has played to the best of his ability for you over the years is poor. but, I know that it wasn't every Texans fan in the stadium. so, what is the status on Schaub?

 

[Pollardized]

This whole topic has been blown completely out of proportion, and a lot of it came from the players themselves. After yesterday's game, when asked by the media what they thought of fans' cheering Schaub's injury, a more appropriate player response would have been along the lines of "we really don't pay attention to that stuff. Some people are always going to find joy in others' misery. There will be fans who support us even when we aren't playing our best. So i'm not focused on that. What i am concerned with is how we can play better as a team and give our true fans something positive to cheer for. We need to do a better job on the field protecting Matt so those kinds of things don't happen. Before we start calling out fans over their actions we need to do a better job controlling our anger and frustration on the field so we can eliminate the stupid personal foul penalties that seem to happen every game."

 

[HJam72]

Better: We don't pay any attention to that, but we promise we see the problem and we're doing our best to get Matt cut.

 

[2012Champs]

This whole topic has been blown completely out of proportion, and a lot of it came from the players themselves. After yesterday's game, when asked by the media what they thought of fans' cheering Schaub's injury, a more appropriate player response would have been along the lines of "we really don't pay attention to that stuff. Some people are always going to find joy in others' misery. There will be fans who support us even when we aren't playing our best. So i'm not focused on that. What i am concerned with is how we can play better as a team and give our true fans something positive to cheer for. We need to do a better job on the field protecting Matt so those kinds of things don't happen. Before we start calling out fans over their actions we need to do a better job controlling our anger and frustration on the field so we can eliminate the stupid personal foul penalties that seem to happen every game."

what a bunch of bs, their disgust with fans cheering an injury is totally separate from how they played or didnt play

 

[TexansFight]

Are you kidding? Texans PR halting news and player interviews?

Like they stepped in and cut off interviews to Travis Johnson when he was going off on the lineman a few years ago that chopped him at the knees. They have done it before. I am not saying blocking access. Just telling them that the organization does not want the fans to be bashed anymore.

 

[2012Champs]

Like they stepped in and cut off interviews to Travis Johnson when he was going off on the lineman a few years ago that chopped him at the knees. They have done it before. I am not saying blocking access. Just telling them that the organization does not want the fans to be bashed anymore.

so they were going to stop news stations from running with stories ?


maybe they too were disgusted with the fan reaction

 

[dalemurphy]

Look, this is apart of the job. Marines know what they are signing up for. You are playing in the g'damn NFL and can have generations of your family set if you're smart with the money. I'd take that deal anyday knowing I would get hurt.

You don't get it. I find this subject quite ironic after the recent titled threade: Accountability- which was targeted at Kubiak and the Texan organization not having any "accountability".

Ironic, because I am seeing fans not be accountable for their actions and behavior. Like you, for instance. The amount of money that a football player makes is entirely irrelevant from the discussion about whether people should treat one another with some level of respect and compassion. Fans that behaved as we have discussed were modeling the worst of humanity.

Attempting to argue that one's behavior towards another is acceptable simply because of some silly cost-benefit analysis illustrates a level of ignorance and a lack of accountability that is hard to understand.

For example, if I faced a near death experience resulting from a negligent doctor... but, due to that experience, my life and the life of my family was richer because of an increased value/appreciation for each day, I may eventually be "glad/grateful" for the experience of almost dying...

Still, I would not looking too kindly on that doctor justifying his actions by saying, "Hey, his life is better for it... He should be grateful it happened. I did him a favor. See how happy he is and how well his life is going, if anything, he owes me."

 

[Pollardized]

what a bunch of bs, their disgust with fans cheering an injury is totally separate from how they played or didnt play

What a bunch of horseshiit. I never said their disgust with fans impacted how they played in that game. I said they should remove themselves from that discussion and focus on the important matter at hand - the job they do to earn their paycheck going forward. When you play a professional sport you are under constant scrutiny by fans and media. The media will always look for a story, and fans booing an ineffective, injured quarterback can be a story. But to see players who are underperforming on the field, making stupid penalties out of frustration which could lead to injuries worse than Schaubs, then calling out fans for venting their own frustrations in a way that they didn't agree with is very sad. I'm not saying I agree with cheering for an injury. I'm just saying the players need to look in the mirror and around the locker room before they call out anyone at this point in their season. This was a topic the players should have left for the talking heads and message board warriors to fight about.

 

[Vinny]

You don't get it. I find this subject quite ironic after the recent titled threade: Accountability- which was targeted at Kubiak and the Texan organization not having any "accountability".

Ironic, because I am seeing fans not be accountable for their actions and behavior. Like you, for instance. The amount of money that a football player makes is entirely irrelevant from the discussion about whether people should treat one another with some level of respect and compassion. Fans that behaved as we have discussed were modeling the worst of humanity.

Attempting to argue that one's behavior towards another is acceptable simply because of some silly cost-benefit analysis illustrates a level of ignorance and a lack of accountability that is hard to understand.

For example, if I faced a near death experience resulting from a negligent doctor... but, due to that experience, my life and the life of my family was richer because of an increased value/appreciation for each day, I may eventually be "glad/grateful" for the experience of almost dying...

Still, I would not looking too kindly on that doctor justifying his actions by saying, "Hey, his life is better for it... He should be grateful it happened. I did him a favor. See how happy he is and how well his life is going, if anything, he owes me."

"wrongful booing" isn't exactly a criminal offense. It's low class, but just what "accountability" do you suggest? A warrant out for their arrest? A time-out in the Stadium corner? I think we as fans (and I'm not lumping the players in this), and the media are giving this way too much lip service. Yeah, it sucks so many people are just morons, but really, is it a revelation?

 

[Dan B.]

"wrongful booing" isn't exactly a criminal offense. It's low class, but just what "accountability" do you suggest? A warrant out for their arrest? A time-out in the Stadium corner? I think we as fans (and I'm not lumping the players in this), and the media are giving this way too much lip service. Yeah, it sucks so many people are just morons, but really, is it a revelation?

I think they should get their ankles broken.

It's cool though. I'm not rooting for all the loudmouth fans to get hurt. Just the ones that make a lot of money. Also, it's not really bad because I just want other fans to get a chance to buy the tickets.

 

[Brisco_County]

Look, this is apart of the job. Marines know what they are signing up for. You are playing in the g'damn NFL and can have generations of your family set if you're smart with the money. I'd take that deal anyday knowing I would get hurt.

You're relying way too much on the income argument to justify crappy behavior. First of all, expectations of respect do not change because someone makes more money than you. Secondly, you should focus on yourself and being a decent person regardless of other people and their status. You're making excuses for people to act like douches.

 

[dalemurphy]

"wrongful booing" isn't exactly a criminal offense. It's low class, but just what "accountability" do you suggest? A warrant out for their arrest? A time-out in the Stadium corner? I think we as fans (and I'm not lumping the players in this), and the media are giving this way too much lip service. Yeah, it sucks so many people are just morons, but really, is it a revelation?

Vinny, I have booed at the stadium. I'm not opposed to booing. What is troublesome and a bit revelatory for me are all the fans' justifications for their behavior. Particularly, this concept that their jealousy justifies treating another human being anyone they choose. I've seen this a lot: "they make a ton of money, so ..."

I wonder how the same people making that justification would feel if minority groups practiced that mentality: "he's a white male-and has every privilege in society, so I'll steal from him if I want to... he still has more money than I'll ever have."

There was a lot of hate evidenced by the fans on Sunday. It's hard to put a finger on a specific action but it was clear. I thought it was ill-advised to boo Schaub at the beginning of the game (not sure how that is good for the team). I found it revealing that the loudest booing of the game was directed at Schaub immediately after the K.Martin fumble and TD return... There is something appalling about a group of people channeling all their frustration and anger towards one person, who clearly is not primarily at fault. I guess that's it- when the booing was no longer voicing displeasure at/towards things that are reasonable... once it was clearly about hate and no longer had logical merit, I think many people recognized something was very wrong.

 

[bOODRO87]

No one is forcing Matt to play in the NFL. It's his choice. He's made plenty of money during his tenure to invest into doing something else. He hasn't done anything heroic like a fire fighter, cop, or soldier. He plays a position that gets pounded in a contact sport and he makes way more money than 99% of us will ever see. Am I going to feel bad for a hurt cage diver who's getting into chum-filled water around Great Whites? No. Am I going to feel bad for a hurt animal handler who deals with large cats? No. These people choose their profession knowing the consequences. They are VERY rich pawns in a violent game.

I would understand the outrage if he was laying there out cold, but that didn't happen and it was his ankle. Call me desensitized. I don't care.

 

[Tailgate]

No one is forcing Matt to play in the NFL. It's his choice. He's made plenty of money during his tenure to invest into doing something else. He hasn't done anything heroic like a fire fighter, cop, or soldier. He plays a position that gets pounded in a contact sport and he makes way more money than 99% of us will ever see. Am I going to feel bad for a hurt cage diver who's getting into chum-filled water around Great Whites? No. Am I going to feel bad for a hurt animal handler who deals with large cats? No. These people choose their profession knowing the consequences. They are VERY rich pawns in a violent game.

I would understand the outrage if he was laying there out cold, but that didn't happen and it was his ankle. Call me desensitized. I don't care.

Can I just call you classless? Because thats what we are really talking about here aren't we?

 

[Brisco_County]

No one is forcing Matt to play in the NFL. It's his choice. He's made plenty of money during his tenure to invest into doing something else. He hasn't done anything heroic like a fire fighter, cop, or soldier. He plays a position that gets pounded in a contact sport and he makes way more money than 99% of us will ever see. Am I going to feel bad for a hurt cage diver who's getting into chum-filled water around Great Whites? No. Am I going to feel bad for a hurt animal handler who deals with large cats? No. These people choose their profession knowing the consequences. They are VERY rich pawns in a violent game.

I would understand the outrage if he was laying there out cold, but that didn't happen and it was his ankle. Call me desensitized. I don't care.

They're still people. You should focus on yourself and not try to rationalize douchery.

 

[buddyboy]

He has been complaining about the fans for weeks now so it's the same thing smart guy. What do you think those big tv screens are up for in the stadium. All I'm simply saying is as a professional or team who cares what the fans are doing? Get your priorities straight on the football field then at that point everyone is happy. Fans pay to see the game and players get paid to play the game that hasn't changed. Players and coaches need to do their jobs regardless of the negativity of people viewing the game this is another mental weakness going on with this franchise especially with Schaub who I believe is straight up scared.

I'd be willing to bet when Andre has been "complaining" about the fans, it's been to direct questions from the media. "How do you feel about fans cheering Matt's injury?" What do you expect him to say? I honestly haven't seen him complaining about the fans in the past few weeks, you may very well be right. I'd love to see the actual interview questions though for context.

Smart guy.

 

[Wolf]

I think some were booing because they know with Matt out then it hurts their chances with their defense in fantasy football to score some major points in league play

 

[Blake]

I find it ironic that Cushing is calling those 'Schaub injury cheering fans' barbaric. Has he watched his mic'ed up videos lately? el oh el

Alot of Texans fans have been very patient, paid alot of money and spent alot of their free time following and cheering on this team as they take baby steps towards their goal.

Whether or not you agree with a fans reaction I think the real story is the Texans organization flushing another year down the toilet right before your eyes. They have the coaching, they have the roster and they have the home field advantage and now they have a 4 game losing streak. Its sad. And all you are going to get is an "aw shucks" and "see you next year. Bring money."

 

[djohn2oo8]

LMAO Kubiak saying Schaub played better and moved the ball.

 

[DX-TEX]

Houston Texans &#8207;@HoustonTexans 4m
Schaub starting at KC will be an end of the week decision. "I'll prepare both Case and T.J." Kubiak #Texans

There is no way Schaub will play Sunday. His ankle was twisted almost 180 degrees!

 

[Craig.]

This thread should pretty much put an end to all future threads bashing Cowboys fans.

Unreal.

 

[cstyle42]

LMAO Kubiak saying Schaub played better and moved the ball.

Matt Schaub will play next week if he can show he can stand up and at least move without limping.

 

[Runner]

This thread has served its purpose of deflecting attention away from Kubiak and the Texans pathetic performance yesterday and most of this season.

 

[dalemurphy]

This thread should pretty much put an end to all future threads bashing Cowboys fans.

Unreal.

Good point. Cowboy fandom + Jerrah + Switzer is what turned me into a Texan fan after 20 years of Cowboy fandom. I have been incredibly critical of them.

As a Texan fan, that moral high ground no longer resonates, that is for sure.

 

[steelbtexan]

Good point. Cowboy fandom + Jerrah + Switzer is what turned me into a Texan fan after 20 years of Cowboy fandom. I have been incredibly critical of them.

As a Texan fan, that moral high ground no longer resonates, that is for sure.

Why do you feel the need for a moral high ground when it comes to cheering for a professional sports team.

All I care about is W/L. I cheer when they win and there hasn't been much to cheer about over on Kirby this yr. This team really could be 0-6. I get this feeling this season is going to be 2010 or worse if they cant beat Jacksonville.

Focus needs to be on what to do in the future, like firing Rick/Gary/Schaub etc.... too bad we cant fire BoB like we fired Bud.

 

[gary]

Question, does the fact that some people are where they are bother you? If so, it shouldn't. Love life. Have fun. Business is the way it is.

 

[2012Champs]

LMAO Kubiak saying Schaub played better and moved the ball.

What was Schaub's performance yesterday?

 

[dalemurphy]

Why do you feel the need for a moral high ground when it comes to cheering for a professional sports team.

All I care about is W/L. I cheer when they win and there hasn't been much to cheer about over on Kirby this yr. This team really could be 0-6. I get this feeling this season is going to be 2010 or worse if they cant beat Jacksonville.

Focus needs to be on what to do in the future, like firing Rick/Gary/Schaub etc.... too bad we cant fire BoB like we fired Bud.

I don't "feel the need for a moral high ground"... However, I certainly care about things other than wins and losses. I would rather be 9-7 and like the guys I'm rooting for than 14-2 and not respect them as people... I know that all organizations have "good" guys and "bad" guys, but it is also clear that organizations have different value structures and priorities. I for one, love Bob McNair's organization right now, even in the midst of a disappointing season.

Of course, I'm still quite hopeful this season turns around. I think it has the potential to be a wonderful season and I am still four losses away from being convinced otherwise... Bright side, for instance, is that we will own almost every tie-breaker within the division and conference if we get to 9 or 10 wins- given that 3 of our 4 losses are to the NFC... I'm sure that seems like silly optimism to you, Steel, but the season remains fun for me until no hope remains. I still think 2009 was the most entertaining season as a fan. So, I'm sort of looking forward to this uphill climb that we are stuck hoping for.

 

[Fred]

Matt Schaub will play next week if he can show he can stand up and at least move without limping.

That maybe setting the bar too high. Schaub hasn't moved without limping since about 4th grade...

 

[Brisco_County]

This thread should pretty much put an end to all future threads bashing Cowboys fans.

Unreal.

As with the media, you can't allow the vocal minority to define the whole.

BTW, awesome Sledge Hammer avatar.

 

[TexansFight]

This thread has served its purpose of deflecting attention away from Kubiak and the Texans pathetic performance yesterday and most of this season.

The Texans PR are doing a fine job of deflecting blame. Too many idiots being into the bull**** being spewed on Kirby.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

On 610 this evening, Schaub stated that he was NOT dealing with a KNEE injury, but said that he was dealing with both an ANKLE AND a FOOT injury.

He said that he felt and heard a "pop" when it happened. It therefore would have to be at least a Grade II......we just don't know how many of the 3 supporting ligaments are involved........and still don't know the extent of Lisfranc foot aggravation.

 

[houstonhurricane]

On 610 this evening, Schaub stated that he was NOT dealing with a KNEE injury, but said that he was dealing with both an ANKLE AND a FOOT injury.

He said that he felt and heard a "pop" when it happened. It therefore would have to be at least a Grade II......we just don't know how many of the 3 supporting ligaments are involved........and still don't know the extent of Lisfranc foot aggravation.

Cloak, why are they calling him an end of the week decision then? Sounds fairly serious...

 

[Showtime100]

I guess I don't have to wonder what many in the greater Houston area are thinking about Schaub...lol.

I got this off a friend's post on Facebook.

 

[thunderkyss]

Cloak, why are they calling him an end of the week decision then? Sounds fairly serious...

Yeah, & what kind of injections are they talking about?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Cloak, why are they calling him an end of the week decision then? Sounds fairly serious...

Just playing silly games. They think that KC will still have to prepare for all the Texans QBs, including Schaub. The type of injury that he described does not usually max out as far as swelling and pain at 24 hours, rather not until ~ 48 hours post injury..........despite taping and bracing and "injections. With his likely inability to even walk comfortably by Sunday, if they put him out there, they will have decided to complete the Roman Coliseum concept of having the Chiefs put a fork in him.

 

[Rey]

I think Schaub took his last snap in a texans uniform on Sunday.

I'm no doctor, but I think win or lose this Sunday it doesn't make sense to go back to Matt. If we win, we should stick with whatever change we made. If we lose that about cements the season being over.

I don't see him playing the weekend. Not with how that ankle bent and based on what doc is saying.

 

[Scooter]

i just feel like reiterating that it's absolutely disgusting to cheer an injury, and incomprehensible for the fan to show up at his house earlier this week. i get that many are angry at schaub, i am too. i get that a whole lot of folks would be glad if he came up with something relatively minor that kept him out of the game (a position i may or may not agree with). but that's not a robot at quarterback, it's a good man doing a job. a man who's great in the community. a man who once the helmet comes off is a husband and father. remember that the next time you get pissed off at a game.

houston has one of the greatest fan bases in the league. but we have a minority that rivals even philly with how nasty they can become.

 

[thunderkyss]

I think Schaub took his last snap in a texans uniform on Sunday.

I'm no doctor, but I think win or lose this Sunday it doesn't make sense to go back to Matt. If we win, we should stick with whatever change we made. If we lose that about cements the season being over.

I don't see him playing the weekend. Not with how that ankle bent and based on what doc is saying.

From our perspective... I agree with you. But if Gary truly thinks Schaub gives us the best chance, & I can't see how he would think that way, but... I wouldn't be surprised to see Schaub out there this Sunday.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Yeah, & what kind of injections are they talking about?

Since these are all supposedly ligament injuries, I am sure they are speaking of Platelet-Rich Plasma injections (PRP). Although blood is mainly a liquid (called plasma), it also contains small solid components (red cells, white cells, and platelets.) The platelets are best known for their importance in clotting blood. However, platelets also contain hundreds of proteins called growth factors which are very important in the healing of injuries. PRP is plasma with many more platelets than what is typically found in blood. The concentration of platelets - and, thereby, the concentration of growth factors - can be 5 to 10 times greater (or richer) than usual. To develop a PRP preparation, blood must first be drawn from a patient. The platelets are separated from other blood cells and their concentration is increased through centrifugation. Then the increased concentration of platelets is combined with the remaining blood for injection.

Much of the publicity PRP therapy has received has been about the treatment of acute sports injuries, such as ligament and muscle injuries. PRP has been used to treat professional athletes with common sports injuries like pulled hamstring muscles in the thigh and knee sprains. There is no definitive scientific evidence, however, that PRP therapy actually improves the healing process in these types of injuries.

The exception seems to be in cases of chronic tendonitis. For example, in elbow tendonitis, a condition commonly seen in tennis players, the tendon can become swollen, inflamed, and painful. A mixture of PRP and local anesthetic can be injected directly into this inflamed tissue. As I've posted before, pain in a ligament injury site will classically increase NOT DECREASE through the 48 hour to 1 week postinjury period. After PRP injections, the pain at the area of injections will classically increase even more for the first week or two, and it may be several weeks before the patient begins to feel a beneficial effect.

Currently, however, the research studies to back up the claims in the media are totally lacking. Although PRP does appear to be effective in the treatment of specifically chronic tendon injuries about the elbow (example above), there needs to be much more scientific evidence before it can be determined whether PRP therapy is truly effective in any other conditions.