infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It was very clear on the radio.
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Schaub is Injured
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It was very clear on the radio.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
fans always clap when a guy gets injured out of respect to the player, so how do you measure who was clapping in a mean way and who was clapping out of respect? There was likely a mix of mean spirited clapping, frustrated clapping and clapping for appreciation. Nobody can pin this on the fact that we aren't good fans because this kind of stuff happens in every NFL city and has been going on since before I started going to games. I think everyone is too knee jerk and sensitive nowdays. I'm not excluding myself from that....just commenting.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Now all of the media and NFL players are bashing the fan base. Lol. We finally make front page news.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
They don't like bashing the team because they may not get their juice boxes and smores treats at the presser...safer to bash the fans. It's OUR FAULT. Hell, why didn't I see this sooner?
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
I am referring to when he was rolling on the ground grabbing his ankle. I did hear some cheers when he walked off, but it wasnt as loud as when he was on the ground.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
All the players were saying we are an embarrassment. Hell, they embarrass us every Sunday. How about they get their heads out their asses and realize we pay hundreds if not thousands to see their pathetic display. And we're not making the millions they are.
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
No, because that would be too detrimental to their 6 to 7 figure yearly-salary lifestyle. Life is tough.
Hooston Texan
Rookie
Fans who clap to show appreciation for an injured player do so when the player is leaving the field. That is the universal time to cheer/clap. This is true at all levels in every sport. Go see a youth soccer game: a hurt player gets cheered as they leave the field; nobody claps while the player is down/being attended to. Unless you are cheering for the injury. That is precisely what was happening today when Schaub got hurt: those who cheered as he was leaving the field were showing their class. Those who were cheering while he was on the ground were showing their [rhymes with class].
handswarmer
Rookie
Fans cheered when Kyle Boller got hurt in Baltimore; shows a lack of class and I personally do not speak tp some fellow fans to this day.
Its wrong.
Its wrong.
EVOLVIST
Kid A
October 27th, 1996 - Houston Astrodome - San Francisco 49s @ Houston Oilers.
First play of the game, San Fran has the ball and Steve Young completes his first pass for 9 yards. 2nd and 1, the coverage is good, so Young scrambles to get the first, whereupon he meets Blaine Bishop, who just levels Young, helmet to helmet, no flag. Nobody in the stadium knows that Young has just suffered one of the many concussions of his career.
The hometown crowd begins to chant, "Ben Taub, Ben Taub, Ben Taub, Ben Taub!!!"
Classless?
Leviathan.
First play of the game, San Fran has the ball and Steve Young completes his first pass for 9 yards. 2nd and 1, the coverage is good, so Young scrambles to get the first, whereupon he meets Blaine Bishop, who just levels Young, helmet to helmet, no flag. Nobody in the stadium knows that Young has just suffered one of the many concussions of his career.
The hometown crowd begins to chant, "Ben Taub, Ben Taub, Ben Taub, Ben Taub!!!"
Classless?
Leviathan.
You can even go up to high school football, for that matter. At that level when a kid goes down the crowd usually goes silent (on both sides) and both teams are on the field, quietly down on one knee, sometimes joining hands and praying. Yes, when the injured player leaves the field, *then* you applaud.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I don't disagree with this. I do think the players should stop focusing on the fans and start looking in the mirror. After reading the Chronicle it seems like the players are more worried about some jerk fans than they are their season.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I didn't hear the presser, but I just came across this piece that put the statement in context........and right along the impression I originally posted:
Schaub did not address reporters after the game. Kubiak said Schaub had "a little bit of everything on that one leg," including his foot and ankle.link
houstonhurricane
Veteran
So you think this could be his Lisfranc agitated on top of whatever happened to his upper ankle and knee?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Yes to the Lisfranc and the ankle.............don't have any evidence at this time that the knee is involved. The ankle and foot is worrisome enough.
TexansFight
Veteran
Great post. I sit in section 105 and when Schaub got hurt I whelped a bit initially when he was down. I will admit I got a tad excited TJ was coming in. I cheered for Schaub as he left the field like I do all injured players. Vinny is correct, there is no way to parse the cheers accurately.
BTW, Schaub very loudly said "**** You" to the crowd when TJ went into the game. It sure seems the Texans love to deflect their incompetence by making their loyal fans look bad. The Texans PR should have stepped in when our players were ****ting on us. I want an official statement from the Texans apologizing to us.
The players know what the cheers are for. You're in the game you have a good vibe of what's going on. Normally when a guy goes down it gets quiet. When he gets u or gets taken off its a more reserved, respectful cheering.
I'm not going to put a percentage on it. But there was DEFINITELY a buzz and electricity when Schaub went down which slowly built to an eruption when Yates came on.
I don't think fans were happy Schaub was hurt per se though. I think they were cheering the situation which was Schaub out and Yates in. I don't think many people were actually saying YES Schaub's ankle might be broken in pieces!!! I hope it's an Achilles or something career ending!!!
But regardless. It ultimately doesn't matter. It has little effect on the game and only served as a distraction. The team sucks ass and the fans always get some grief. Fair weather, classless, not passionate enough...
Whatever. If you play well none of that rears it's ugly head. Worry less about the fans and more about not losing 5 in a row. And if that's too tough, shoot for a smaller goal like not throwing a pick six for the 6th game in a row.
I'm not going to put a percentage on it. But there was DEFINITELY a buzz and electricity when Schaub went down which slowly built to an eruption when Yates came on.
I don't think fans were happy Schaub was hurt per se though. I think they were cheering the situation which was Schaub out and Yates in. I don't think many people were actually saying YES Schaub's ankle might be broken in pieces!!! I hope it's an Achilles or something career ending!!!
But regardless. It ultimately doesn't matter. It has little effect on the game and only served as a distraction. The team sucks ass and the fans always get some grief. Fair weather, classless, not passionate enough...
Whatever. If you play well none of that rears it's ugly head. Worry less about the fans and more about not losing 5 in a row. And if that's too tough, shoot for a smaller goal like not throwing a pick six for the 6th game in a row.
I agree with this. Whether it was a classless act or not by the fans, the players have all the power they need to stop it.
RTP2110
All Pro
Personally, I couldn't care less what the players think about the fans. Whether the fans actions are right, wrong, or indifferent, the players should just keep their opinions to themselves. They need to remember that they are the only ones getting paid to be there, while the fans are paying good sums of their hard earned money to watch. I feel bad that Matt Schaub was injured, but he makes millions of (fan provided) dollars to take that risk. The man could buy a whole new right leg if he wanted to.
As long as it remains verbal, and fans aren't trying to physically harm these guys, they can cram it, IMO
As long as it remains verbal, and fans aren't trying to physically harm these guys, they can cram it, IMO
Norg
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What he said
I payed my harddddd and I mean HARRRDDDDDDD earned money to buy a ticket and watch football excuse me if I cant boo or cheer or be quite or whatever
Im glad Houston fans are being vocal maybe we gettin a lot meaner HAHAHAHAH WE will out philly phillyy come on now maybe we are becoming more like Philly fans NY fans and CHI Fans they obvs don't give a poo there gangsta
Didn't see this anywhere but this is what AJ had to say about the issue:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...ered-injured-schaub-have-no-class/?cmpid=hpfc
Mike
chron article said:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...ered-injured-schaub-have-no-class/?cmpid=hpfc
Mike
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
God who wants to emulate a Philly fan?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
1st regular season game ever at Reliant Stadium... We are winning by 9 pts against Dallas with around 3 minutes left and the crowd is booing because the offense is running the ball on 3rd down.
I sold my season tickets last year. I simply can not take being around all those drunk, ignorant fans anymore. At 40, I think my days of going to major sporting events may be coming to an end- the mob scene is intolerable. To see the attitudes peppered on this board too- that fans, simply by purchasing a ticket, believe they are entitled to check their morality at the gate. If they weren't so freakin' ignorant, I'd remind them of the crumbling Roman empire and the behavior and attitudes of the people being amused to death in the Colosseum.
I sold my season tickets last year. I simply can not take being around all those drunk, ignorant fans anymore. At 40, I think my days of going to major sporting events may be coming to an end- the mob scene is intolerable. To see the attitudes peppered on this board too- that fans, simply by purchasing a ticket, believe they are entitled to check their morality at the gate. If they weren't so freakin' ignorant, I'd remind them of the crumbling Roman empire and the behavior and attitudes of the people being amused to death in the Colosseum.
Don't you think that's just a little unfair?
I mean, they were allowed to fornicate in the stands.
You're right. It's not high school. These are grown people. You'd expect grown people to have better home training to cheer because someone got hurt.
C Madd
Waterboy
Well, since you asked...I'm glad I don't know you in real life. You are a terrible person.
C Madd
Waterboy
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
Norg
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im just saying that might be the reason everyone on the outside think Houston sports fans are fair weather fans a lot of familys go to the games has well and Houston is just a Gatewaycity
maybe some of the fans around here are changing to more hardcore
I for one didn't boo infact I just stayed silent and I even told the guy in front of me I bet u Yates throws some pix sixes jokely he laughed
what does that say about me I guess when my teams goes bad im like I don't care anymore and I just watch it cus I like watching football good or bad I knew tho in the back of my mind I knew yates going in cold would not do much
I must say tho iam interested to see what yates can do if he starts next week hopefully he can just manage the game better then schaub
bckey
All Pro
Unfortunately this is a growing part of society now. Fans cheering when a player is injured is wrong period. It makes no difference what team he plays for. Its caring about another human being. And it cuts both ways too. Some of the same people condemning Houston fans for cheering Schaub getting hurt cheer about the exact same thing in MMA. It is rare to see citizens try and intervene any more when they see violence or crimes happen. Most of the time they will gather around and be entertained by it.
I cannot believe I heard this on the radio.
Then to cap it all they played it even over here in the UK on live TV. So the whole UK football fans now think we are heartless and uncaring about our own players.
To say I am am embarrassed is an understatment. To cheer when our own player is injured....
I have have always wanted to come to Houston to watch a game and visit my second city but having doubts now if this is how fans react.
We are better than that aren't we?
Then to cap it all they played it even over here in the UK on live TV. So the whole UK football fans now think we are heartless and uncaring about our own players.
To say I am am embarrassed is an understatment. To cheer when our own player is injured....
I have have always wanted to come to Houston to watch a game and visit my second city but having doubts now if this is how fans react.
We are better than that aren't we?
buddyboy
Rookie
Andre wasn't responding to a question about boos, it was about cheering injury.
And in the stands, no one knows if it's a "serious" injury or not. Cheering while a man is rolling on the ground injured is pathetic, regardless of how much money he makes or how much he's "embarrassed the city" (not you who's making these arguments...I don't think, just putting this out there)
He has been complaining about the fans for weeks now so it's the same thing smart guy. What do you think those big tv screens are up for in the stadium. All I'm simply saying is as a professional or team who cares what the fans are doing? Get your priorities straight on the football field then at that point everyone is happy. Fans pay to see the game and players get paid to play the game that hasn't changed. Players and coaches need to do their jobs regardless of the negativity of people viewing the game this is another mental weakness going on with this franchise especially with Schaub who I believe is straight up scared.
panamamyers
Waterboy
Why is that some sort of imaginary line to draw? He is not permanently injured.
Tell me when it is OK to cheer or boo then?
Why is it ever OK to boo? Why is it OK to cheer an interception by the opposing team? Don't you think Sam Bradford's feelings are hurt when that happens? Why is it OK to cheer his misfortune?
How is the tangible hurt of a sprained ankle that will be recovered from in three weeks any different than the intangible hurt that one gets from throwing a pick six and then getting booed?
I was raised just like you were raised, but...
This guy is making millions of dollars to play a game.
If he can't handle a twisted ankle....then shame on him....
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
The more I go to major sporting events the more I realize how many adults cant control themselves. Its as though purchasing a ticket entitles you to do whatever you want including getting sh!tfaced before the game.
There is no excuse for cheering any player going down, none whatsoever
silvrhand
All Pro
Too many people getting absolutely hammerred at the games now..
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Speak for yourself brother. I get absolutely hammered.......... but I would never get out of line, either.
Inherently people are dicks and ****ey people or they are not dicks and ****ey people.
I am going to try not to fall into the trap of over generalizing here. I think in the best of times many players think fans rate somewhere between "pains in the butt" to "a necessary evil". Having them lash out at fans during this frustrating season doesn't surprise me. The fans that cheered Schaub's injury gives them an excuse, but I think they are painting the entire fan base with too broad a brush.
For the record I think booing an injury is classless. I don't see much use in booing anything - bad plays, bad calls, whatever.
For the record I think booing an injury is classless. I don't see much use in booing anything - bad plays, bad calls, whatever.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Its irrelevant if you get out of line or not OR the level of which people rate on the ****tey/dick scale. A lot of adults seem to feel that massive binge drinking is what a NFL event has become and often times this group starts to exhibit poor judgement. Getting hammered at a football event shouldnt be a goal or something the occurs with any frequency
Sorry, especially fueled by alcohol and the safety of being in a large group, is nothing new. Fans in KC did the same thing with Cassell a year or two ago. My first NFL game was a Cleveland/Pittsburg feast of in stadium jersey burning, shoving matches and rampant drunkenness. this was in 1980.
Given that some people on this board have had at least a tacit "wanting" for a Schuab injury, an open celebration by a few is not a surprise.
Given that some people on this board have had at least a tacit "wanting" for a Schuab injury, an open celebration by a few is not a surprise.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I hate the fact that ANY fan would cheer for one of their OWN players getting hurt....But I understand....
Had Gary Kubiak had the balls to do what he should have done last week and pulled Matt Schaub, we are not talking about this. However, Gary Kubiak went with who he thought gave the Texans the best chance to win, fans thought he was wrong and expressed their displeasure of that decision in a very classless way.
Irony is, Kubiak and the fans BOTH got it wrong. Schaub nor Yates are the answer and we do not know about Keenum cause Kubiak will not let him play...
Had Gary Kubiak had the balls to do what he should have done last week and pulled Matt Schaub, we are not talking about this. However, Gary Kubiak went with who he thought gave the Texans the best chance to win, fans thought he was wrong and expressed their displeasure of that decision in a very classless way.
Irony is, Kubiak and the fans BOTH got it wrong. Schaub nor Yates are the answer and we do not know about Keenum cause Kubiak will not let him play...
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Great post. Everything said here is true. Fans are a pain, and when a vocal fraction of them expresses dissatisfaction with a player while the players is trying to work, it takes too much self control for the player to not vent.
What's also unfortunate is that all media is reporting this like the entire stadium erupted when Schaub went down. People who attended the game say otherwise. I'm certain that any fanbase for any team is going to have a portion of fans that act like uncivilized trash. Think of the way that Green Bay fans cursed and spit at Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was being forced out of the organization, or the way that KC fans cheered Matt Cassel when he got hurt last year. Every city has trash, and this is how they act, and it's unfair to project that on to an entire fanbase.
^^^^
This
It's not about Schaub getting booed, it's about change. A long overdue change.
You're next man up Gary, if this season goes the way I think it's headed. The reason so many fans are bitter is the fact that unless the fanbase turns against the team there will be no change from BoB. (It may be too traumatic.)
BTW, I didn't boo at the game yesterday. But I understand why the loyal fanbase of the HOUSTON TEXANS booed. They've about had enough of the mediocrity.
Also, did anybody catch Vandermeer on the radio saying the 1st time the Texans were in the redzone and jumped offsides it was because the fans were too loud. What BS, it's the excuse making by the Texans org that's sickening.
They are the ones that portrayed themselves as SB contenders. Obviously they're not going to get a sniff of a SB and should have to live with the consequences.
TexansFight
Veteran
Great post. You know when things were going swimmingly, especially last season when we were 11-1, you didn't hear a peep from the players or other fans complaining about Texans fans. IMO, a lot of "holier than thou" fans turn their frustration they have with losing not on to the organization where it is deserved but invariably look to blame the fans. It is like being rational and critical of the team would upset their apple cart too much.
If the players and coaches did their jobs, this wouldn't be an issue. I too am pissed off that the Texans management is actively ****ting on their fans to deflect blame. Whoever is in charge of Texans PR needs to be fired TODAY with the bull**** "angry mob accosting Schaub" at his home BS last week and not muzzling the players but rather feeding their uninformed opinions about the fans.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It's not an uninformed opinion if it actually happened. I heard thru the TV a noticeable amount of cheering and clapping immediately after they showed schaub rolling around on the ground....Dude was sacked & there was 0 to be cheering about in that situation. & twist it how you want but that is classless. Not saying it was every fan in the stadium but still.......if i heard it thru the TV, you damn well know the players on the field heard it.
Now a short time after that, the cheering and clapping you could argue either way but hey, there is vitrually no doubt some of the fans cheered when that guy went down with an injury...& i think the players were speaking more to that than anything.
C Madd
Waterboy
Are you seriously comparing an INT to someone getting physically injured? You're legitimately using that comparison in an argument?
If the game were removed and Schaub was just a guy walking down the street and he got his ankle rolled like that, people would think you were a sociopath if you watched and cheered regardless of his income or profession. This shouldn't change in a football game.
I have no qualms with people cheering the change, but cheering a man getting hurt is terrible. I have no idea why I'm having to explain that idea to anyone.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
It's not about how much money they make you ****ing piece of ****. You are an embarrassment to the city of Houston.