Does either Yates or Keenum give you a better chance to win that Schaub.

[dream_team]

You have no idea why we think the 49ers future is brighter than ours? Really?

Do we need to number the dots for you? What is the title of this thread?

Personally I don't think much about Kaepernick. I've said as much & got chastised for it.

It's kind of funny, but 49ers board have their own QB thread where they complain about Kaepernick's play.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/172666-kaepernick-thread-2013-14-season/page556/

I live in the SF Bay Area, all of my friends are 49er fans. It is quite funny, but I would say 30% of them are claiming they should have kept Alex Smith.

But the thing is not that people think mobile QBs are unbeatable, it's that we feel like a mobile QB on this team would be. It's hard to believe someone can not believe that.

If Newton doesn't get a lot better quick (which I think he's capable of) or if Harris isn't able to take his spot on the right side (if DBrown can't come back), our offensive line isn't going to get better until some time next year.

The Seahawks OL got better in the second half because Russell Wilson got tired of waiting on them.

Our defense & WRs are much better than Seattles. Our Defense is as good as SanFran's, WRs much better. When we look at Seattle and San Fran, we're seeing what could have been. Even looking at Washington which is a much worse team all the way around.

A mobile QB on this team would be good, but he has to be a good pocket QB first!!!

 

[Come On Breh]

We fans don't know what we have in Case & TJ, but the coaching staff has an idea. Kubiak, Dennison, Dorrell watch them in practice, watch them in the film room, listen to them in meetings... not to mention alot higher football IQ than us common fans.



Totally different situations:
- Harbaugh drafted Kaepernick to be his QB of the future and he inherited Smith, so it was only a matter of time. And if Alex never got that concussion, who knows if we see Kaep start at all last season? Plus, Alex Smith never came close to the success Schaub has had in this league.
- In Seattle, Matt Flynn isn't all that good. He can't even win the starting job in Oakland. So choosing Wilson over Flynn isn't very impressive. Also, I think people are giving Wilson too much credit. I like him as a player, but Seattle isn't asking too much out of him. You saw him play against the Texans... did he really look all that special?
- Tampa Bay is a bad team, we shouldn't be looking at them as an example. They are 2nd to last in the league in offense, and really have no chance in playoffs. That's a real team that "can't do any worse".
- Cleveland is in obvious re-building mode, we are not.

If the Falcons benched Matt Ryan, that would be a better comparison.

Im not against this .... Pending you (you being the coaches) believe that Yates or Keenum gives you a better chance to win right now .... because this team still has a lot to play for , they only have two losses.

If you still believe that Schaub gives you the best chance to win then you keep running his cement footed noodle armed pick six throwin ass out there.


Obviously the coaches believe that Schaub is their best option .....

At the point that the season is lost as far as playoffs are concerned , I'd be much more open to experimentation at the QB spot with Keenum or Yates.


If they were 2-4 going into KC ..... I'd have a real hard time not making a change if Schaub was the main factor in that record.

That's all fine and dandy but we know this coaching staff, outplaying and being more talented doesnt necessarily mean you will get to play.

This coaching staff particularly kubiak value seniority, draft status and status of contracts over talent that deserves to play.

If you have been following the texans from day one you should know this.

We almost missed out on Arian Foster because Kubiak kept trotting out steve slaton. Foster only got his chance after slaton injured himself.

That's how travis johnson and amobi okoye lasted so long. That's how kevin walter lasted so long. that's how kareem jackson was never benched during his awful rookie year or at least be relegated to #3 status. That' how frank bush lasted so long. That's how Joe Marciano still has a job. That's how kubiak and schaub have lasted this long.

Its happening again with Shiloh Keo. This guy should not even be on the field but since he is a draft pick and they dont want to admit they made a mistake, they will keep trotting him out there.

This is a team that would rather give up obvious talents like Jacoby Jones and Trindon Holliday over firing Marciano.

What makes you think they will change their philosophy now in regards to their favorite son and teacher's pet Schaub?

This is a deeply rooted institutional problem with the texans where there is no accountability with certain personnel and they are given free reign to mess up with no consequence.

You people cant be this blind.

 

[2012Champs]

That's all fine and dandy but we know this coaching staff, outplaying and being more talented doesnt necessarily mean you will get to play.

This coaching staff particularly kubiak value seniority, draft status and status of contracts over talent that deserves to play.

If you have been following the texans from day one you should know this.

We almost missed out on Arian Foster because Kubiak kept trotting out steve slaton. Foster only got his chance after slaton injured himself.

That's how travis johnson and amobi okoye lasted so long. That's how kevin walter lasted so long. that's how kareem jackson was never benched during his awful rookie year or at least be relegated to #3 status. That' how frank bush lasted so long. That's how Joe Marciano still has a job. That's how kubiak and schaub have lasted this long.

Its happening again with Shiloh Keo. This guy should not even be on the field but since he is a draft pick and they dont want to admit they made a mistake, they will keep trotting him out there.

This is a team that would rather give up obvious talents like Jacoby Jones and Trindon Holliday over firing Marciano.

What makes you think they will change their philosophy now in regards to their favorite son and teacher's pet Schaub?

Hang on to your dream of your brother Case starting in the NFL it may happen one day

 

[Come On Breh]

Hang on to your dream of your brother Case starting in the NFL it may happen one day

stop stalking me. i know you're butt hurt right now but stop stalking me please.

 

[2012Champs]

stop stalking me. i know you're butt hurt right now but stop stalking me please.

Would you like to go on a date brah?

 

[Come On Breh]

Would you like to go on a date brah?

im sorry,

i dont date groupies or slow footed, weak armed, weak hearted glorified back up QBs.

 

[dream_team]

That's all fine and dandy but we know this coaching staff, outplaying and being more talented doesnt necessarily mean you will get to play.

This coaching staff particularly kubiak value seniority, draft status and status of contracts over talent that deserves to play.

If this was true, then...

- Roc Carmichael would still be on this team
- Brandon Harris would be the nickel corner over Brice McCain
- Chris Jones would still be on this team
- Nick Mondek would still be on this team
- Sam Montgomery would be getting more snaps than UDFA's Jefferson and Brahman

I actually think Keo has improved this season and is a worthy backup.

Jacoby got the same exact treatment from fans Schaub is getting now.

When given hindsight, it's alot easier to play coach and GM.

 

[Come On Breh]

If this was true, then...

- Roc Carmichael would still be on this team
- Brandon Harris would be the nickel corner over Brice McCain
- Chris Jones would still be on this team
- Nick Mondek would still be on this team
- Sam Montgomery would be getting more snaps than UDFA's Jefferson and Brahman

I actually think Keo has improved this season and is a worthy backup.

Jacoby got the same exact treatment from fans Schaub is getting now.

When given hindsight, it's alot easier to play coach and GM.

it is true. it wasnt jacoby's fault that we lost that game in baltimore. it was kubiak's fault for acting like TJ Yates was Aaron Rodgers and made him throw all over the field instead of riding Foster.

i stand by everything i said.

 

[Nitrofish]

You have no idea why we think the 49ers future is brighter than ours? Really?

Do we need to number the dots for you? What is the title of this thread?




Personally I don't think much about Kaepernick. I've said as much & got chastised for it.

But the thing is not that people think mobile QBs are unbeatable, it's that we feel like a mobile QB on this team would be. It's hard to believe someone can not believe that.

If Newton doesn't get a lot better quick (which I think he's capable of) or if Harris isn't able to take his spot on the right side (if DBrown can't come back), our offensive line isn't going to get better until some time next year.

The Seahawks OL got better in the second half because Russell Wilson got tired of waiting on them.

Our defense & WRs are much better than Seattles. Our Defense is as good as SanFran's, WRs much better. When we look at Seattle and San Fran, we're seeing what could have been. Even looking at Washington which is a much worse team all the way around.

Yes please connect the dots for me, because the way I see it, the 9ers are in deep doo doo this season. They have no WR's, their QB is not performing up to all the hype, their D Line is injured and their top defensive player is in rehab. Why is that such a bright future?

 

[Come On Breh]

Yes please connect the dots for me, because the way I see it, the 9ers are in deep doo doo this season. They have no WR's, their QB is not performing up to all the hype, their D Line is injured and their top defensive player is in rehab. Why is that such a bright future?

because they have a great coach and a great young quarterback.

Head Coach and Starting QB is the two most important positions in football.

Its just depressingly disgusting that its our two most glaring weakness.

Open your freaking eyes.

 

[2012Champs]

it is true. it wasnt jacoby's fault that we lost that game in baltimore. it was kubiak's fault for acting like TJ Yates was Aaron Rodgers and made him throw all over the field instead of riding Foster.

i stand by everything i said.

It wasnt JJ's fault we lost the game in baltimore. Yates, JJ and our kicker together did a great job of costing us the game

 

[Nitrofish]

because they have a great coach and a great young quarterback.

Head Coach and Starting QB is the two most important positions in football.

Its just depressingly disgusting that its our two most glaring weakness.

Open your freaking eyes.

Perhaps you did not watch the 9ers vs the Hawks, or the Colts vs 9ers games. Kaepernick did not look like the great young QB that you describe him as, and he did not outplay Schaub for sure against the same opponent. I don't think it is me who needs to open my eyes.

So one season for Harbaugh, and Kaepernick and you have crowned them, even though they are also 2-2 on the season. You have bought into the media hype my friend and we shall see where those two guys finish at the end of the season. Harbaugh is a whiner, and your perception that he is going to make anything of himself if a bit premature just because he went to the SB last season. Does not seem like he has it all together this season now does it?

 

[Come On Breh]

It wasnt JJ's fault we lost the game in baltimore. Yates, JJ and our kicker together did a great job of costing us the game

yea you really dont know what you're talking about if you think jacoby jones lost that game for us.

we can start a thread right now and you would be proven wrong once again just like in this thread. lol at the kicker costing us the game.

good grief.

Yates and Kubiak's idiotic game planning cost us that game.

 

[Come On Breh]

Perhaps you did not watch the 9ers vs the Hawks, or the Colts vs 9ers games. Kaepernick did not look like the great young QB that you describe him as, and he did not outplay Schaub for sure against the same opponent. I don't think it is me who needs to open my eyes.

So one season for Harbaugh, and Kaepernick and you have crowned them, even though they are also 2-2 on the season. You have bought into the media hype my friend and we shall see where those two guys finish at the end of the season. Harbaugh is a whiner, and your perception that he is going to make anything of himself if a bit premature just because he went to the SB last season. Does not seem like he has it all together this season now does it?

yes ive seen those games. you should really open your eyes because you would see that the niners are hurting right now with key pieces missing on both sides of the ball.

and no, i havent crowned kapernick or harbaugh. Im not ron jaworski. nevertheless, their future is much more bright than this schaubiak regime.

 

[2012Champs]

yea you really dont know what you're talking about if you think jacoby jones lost that game for us.

we can start a thread right now and you would be proven wrong once again just like in this thread. lol at the kicker costing us the game.

good grief.

Yates and Kubiak's idiotic game planning cost us that game.

I dont think JJ lost us the game. JJ, Yates and yes the FG kicker lost us the game. Why dont you go back and review the game

 

[dream_team]

yes ive seen those games. you should really open your eyes because you would see that the niners are hurting right now with key pieces missing on both sides of the ball.

That's my problem with Kaepernick... he needs others to play well in order for him to be successful. He can't carry the offense when everything isn't clicking.

(You see what I did there?)

 

[ObsiWan]

because they have a great coach and a great young quarterback.

Head Coach and Starting QB is the two most important positions in football.

Its just depressingly disgusting that its our two most glaring weakness.

Open your freaking eyes.

Oh please... If the Niners are all that, why are they 2-2? They lost at home to <gasp!> a pocket QB and a 2nd year HC by twenty points.

The only reason They're 2-2 is because they played St. Louis last week.

Sorry, count me among the ones not really impressed with Kaepernick. The only guys on the Niners offense that worry me are Boldin and Gore. When they go into "Beast Mode" they are very tough to stop and they carry the rest of the offense with them. Kaepernick...? pffft!

Now if we could get A.J. (4 games and still hasn't sniffed the endzone) and Foster/Tate to go into "Beast Mode" they could carry Schaub along with them.

 

[thunderkyss]

It's kind of funny, but 49ers board have their own QB thread where they complain about Kaepernick's play.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/172666-kaepernick-thread-2013-14-season/page556/

I live in the SF Bay Area, all of my friends are 49er fans. It is quite funny, but I would say 30% of them are claiming they should have kept Alex Smith.

I'm not sold on Colin either. Every time I've seen him he's looked like a one read & go QB. Can't believe they traded Smith away, but if the plan was to develop Kaepernick, having Smith on the bench wasn't going to make it easy.

I was pretty sure they were going to try to make him & Wilson more traditional & they would struggle (same way Tj & Case will struggle). But if they're tough enough (I believe Wilson is & I'm coming around to believing Cap is as well) they'll be fine.

A mobile QB on this team would be good, but he has to be a good pocket QB first!!!

Completely agree.

 

[thunderkyss]

- Sam Montgomery would be getting more snaps than UDFA's Jefferson and Brahman

Don't forget Tuggle.

 

[Corrosion]

It is quite funny, but I would say 30% of them are claiming they should have kept Alex Smith.

A mobile QB on this team would be good, but he has to be a good pocket QB first!!!

Not a fan of Flynn .... I'd rather try to get Alex Smith on the cheap. He's very much like Schaub other than the fact he can move around a bit. He ran a very similar offense in SF too .... I know most don't like him , but you cant argue with his results the past two seasons 20-5 as a starter. Tho I'm sure other teams lacking at QB will be after him ..... Arizona ?

You know , Smith and Schaub have a lot in common .... but I think that Smith has some tools that Schaub doesn't - Mobility and a little bigger arm.

I'd probably be OK with moving Schaub for a pick or two and bringing in Smith ....

Smith is a limited QB like Schaub .... he is a little more mobile tho.

Upgrade ? I don't know .... but like Schaub Smith doesn't make many mistakes. He threw a total of 5 INT's in 445 attempts last season. That's taking care of the ball.
He's also more mobile and has a stronger arm .... even if only marginally better in either.

That's a QB who went 13-3 last year and was on track to repeat that prior to being sidelined by an injury, Smith was 6-2 as the starter while Colin Kaepernick has gone 4-2-1 with that same team .... with a loss and tie to a .500 Rams team.

With the Chiefs being undefeated .... and Smith playing the same mistake free football he was in San Fran .... Those posts don't seem so crazy anymore do they ?!

 

[thunderkyss]

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/172666-kaepernick-thread-2013-14-season/page556/

That thread was started in April. It's 557 pages long with 8300 posts.

Our "All inclusive" Matt Schaub thread was started in January, it's only 52 pages long & contains 1000 posts.


We need to step up our game guys. Are we a Championship MB or what?

 

[ObsiWan]

That thread was started in April. It's 557 pages long with 8300 posts.

Our "All inclusive" Matt Schaub thread was started in January, it's only 52 pages long & contains 1000 posts.


We need to step up our game guys. Are we a Championship MB or what?

Didja notice that their MB features picts of Frank Gore and Arian Foster rather than Kaepernick and Schaub?
I just found that amusing.

 

[Double Barrel]

In all honesty, 49ers fans have higher standards than we do, so them bagging on their QB who just took them to a Super Bowl is not surprising.

That's what happens when your team has five Lombardi Trophies and two Hall of Fame QBs in its history, one arguably G.O.A.T.

Must be nice.

 

[ObsiWan]

In all honesty, 49ers fans have higher standards than we do, so them bagging on their QB who just took them to a Super Bowl is not surprising.

That's what happens when your team has five Lombardi Trophies and two Hall of Fame QBs in its history, one arguably G.O.A.T.

Must be nice.

Didn't they trade Joe Montana when they thought Steve Young was the better option?
Whatever it takes to win....

 

[HouSportsWriter]

WE SHOULD DRAFT

FORMER TEXANS QB LITTLE BROTHER DEREK CARR

 

[infantrycak]

Didn't they trade Joe Montana when they thought Steve Young was the better option?
Whatever it takes to win....

Kind of. Montana missed 2 seasons with an elbow injury. Young came in and got injured. Bono came in and played well enough Seifert was going to start him even when Young got back...and then Bono got injured. Young led the team to 14-2 the second year and then got busted by the juggernaut Cowboys on their way to a Lombardi. After that and an All Pro selection, Young was the starter and they traded Montana to avoid controversy.

 

[Nitrofish]

Didn't they trade Joe Montana when they thought Steve Young was the better option?
Whatever it takes to win....

That was allot different though. Montana was injured during the NFC Championships game against the Giants when Leonard Marshall nearly killed him on a sack during a rollout. (I was at that game in SF, and I thought he was dead after Marshall crushed him from behind) He left the game after that hit and did not return. The Giants went on to win. It would be Montana's next to last appearance as a 49er.

Montana then missed the entire 1991 season, and half of the 1992 season with the elbow injury he sustained in the 1990 NFC Championship game. I think it was the final game of the 1992 season against the Lions before he got another shot to play. He played the whole 2nd half and even though he missed all that time he shined and won the game, but since Young had established himself as the starter over all that time off, when the playoffs arrived Young was back in the starting role, and that was Montana's last time he would take a snap for the 49ers.

It was Montana who requested the trade because of the QB controversy with Young. So it was allot different than what we are talking about here. Personally I think this whole thread is stupid, I mean the Texans are 2-2 and regardless of the 3 pick 6's, it would be foolish to change QB's this early in the season unless Schaub gets injured. Not to mention neither of those guys are anywhere near the level of Matt Schaub, but that is just my opinion, oh, and the coaching staff, the other players and the ownership.

 

[Come On Breh]

I dont think JJ lost us the game. JJ, Yates and yes the FG kicker lost us the game. Why dont you go back and review the game

i have the game.

Kubiak deciding to air it out despite yates throwing what seemed like 5 interceptions and staring down andre johnson the entire game while arian foster was having a great game.

they decided to go away from what was working and went to what wasnt working.

feeding foster a couple more times instead of letting Yates air it out would have won the game for us.

That's my problem with Kaepernick... he needs others to play well in order for him to be successful. He can't carry the offense when everything isn't clicking.

(You see what I did there?)

No, i didnt see what you did there. Kapernick went to the superbowl and mad tremendous plays to get there and had HUGE games in the playoffs. He's young and physically talented and it shows on the field.

Now you compare that to schaub who has bought his team as far as a rookie qb, has no youth, no upside, and is devoid of great physical talent.

No, i dont see it it all how what you did there.

Oh please... If the Niners are all that, why are they 2-2? They lost at home to <gasp!> a pocket QB and a 2nd year HC by twenty points.

The only reason They're 2-2 is because they played St. Louis last week.

Sorry, count me among the ones not really impressed with Kaepernick. The only guys on the Niners offense that worry me are Boldin and Gore. When they go into "Beast Mode" they are very tough to stop and they carry the rest of the offense with them. Kaepernick...? pffft!

Now if we could get A.J. (4 games and still hasn't sniffed the endzone) and Foster/Tate to go into "Beast Mode" they could carry Schaub along with them.

they have a lot of missing pieces on both sides of the ball.

Its quite obvious to see kapernick's physical talent and potential on the field.

Put kapernick in this loaded texan roster and we are undefeated right now.

We all know who the problem is here. stop pretending its something else.

 

[Texecutioner]

With the Chiefs being undefeated .... and Smith playing the same mistake free football he was in San Fran .... Those posts don't seem so crazy anymore do they ?!

Yes they do seem crazy. Alex Smith is nothing but an average QB and that is all that he will ever be. The Chiefs aren't winning because of some great passing attack from him. No one even worries about getting torched through the air by Smith.

Wanting Schaub out of here is one thing which is pretty much obvious at this point that it should happen, but how some of you guys don't even want upgrades with a QB who could be a high level passer knowing this is a passer's league more and more and that is way more essential then it ever was before, wanting Alex Smith makes literally no sense at all.

When you look around the league you should want a guy that has the potential to put up numbers like Brees or Brady every year or very young mobile QB with a nice arm that can be a dual threat a lot. Wanting Alex Smith is like asking just to get rid of Schaub to have different problems and limitations at QB down the road.

 

[Corrosion]

Yes they do seem crazy. Alex Smith is nothing but an average QB and that is all that he will ever be. The Chiefs aren't winning because of some great passing attack from him. No one even worries about getting torched through the air by Smith.

Wanting Schaub out of here is one thing which is pretty much obvious at this point that it should happen, but how some of you guys don't even want upgrades with a QB who could be a high level passer knowing this is a passer's league more and more and that is way more essential then it ever was before, wanting Alex Smith makes literally no sense at all.

When you look around the league you should want a guy that has the potential to put up numbers like Brees or Brady every year or very young mobile QB with a nice arm that can be a dual threat a lot. Wanting Alex Smith is like asking just to get rid of Schaub to have different problems and limitations at QB down the road.

I think you misunderstand what I was getting at.


Is Smith that much better than Schaub ? not really.

Is Smith hurting his team like Schaub ? Not at all.


Would I like to have Brady , Breese , Manning or Rodgers ??? Sure in a heartbeat. Thing is that there are only a handful of those guy's in the league at any given time. We don't have one of them and have no shot at landing one.

Even if we drafted a guy with that type of talent , he would take time to get to that level of play. (Should we draft one - Absolutely).


Right now , Smith would be an upgrade over Schaub not based on statistics but based upon the fact that he doesn't shoot his team in the foot. They both do relatively the same things in the same type of offense .... with one exception , ball security.

 

[Texecutioner]

I think you misunderstand what I was getting at.


Is Smith that much better than Schaub ? not really.

Is Smith hurting his team like Schaub ? Not at all.


Would I like to have Brady , Breese , Manning or Rodgers ??? Sure in a heartbeat. Thing is that there are only a handful of those guy's in the league at any given time. We don't have one of them and have no shot at landing one.

Even if we drafted a guy with that type of talent , he would take time to get to that level of play. (Should we draft one - Absolutely).


Right now , Smith would be an upgrade over Schaub not based on statistics but based upon the fact that he doesn't shoot his team in the foot. They both do relatively the same things in the same type of offense .... with one exception , ball security.

Much better explanation Corrosion.


However, I still see that as a total waste of time that would set a team like the Texans back several years, because then you have to waste a few years hoping that Smith can do just enough to help your team win a SB to most likely ultimately find out that he can't. Then you have two or three years wasted when you could have been looking for a a strong QB. At this point, I just want the Texans to find a really good QB that can be our guy for the next ten years. Not saying it will be easy. It's one of the hardest positions to find, but god damn make it top priority and don't stop until you do. Look at how quickly the COlts organization changed when Luck arrived. They are a serious team that fast. I this day and age of the NFL young QB's can catch on a lot faster as well.
I think you're wasting valuable seasons if you're "settling" with a QB. YOu can still win it all, but the %'s are a lot lower and I'm tired of having to rely on everything being perfect around the QB to succeed. QB's in this day and age need to make things happen when plays break down and go South. That is what you need to win.

 

[gafftop]

I think you misunderstand what I was getting at.


Is Smith that much better than Schaub ? not really.

Is Smith hurting his team like Schaub ? Not at all.


Would I like to have Brady , Breese , Manning or Rodgers ??? Sure in a heartbeat. Thing is that there are only a handful of those guy's in the league at any given time. We don't have one of them and have no shot at landing one.

Even if we drafted a guy with that type of talent , he would take time to get to that level of play. (Should we draft one - Absolutely).


Right now , Smith would be an upgrade over Schaub not based on statistics but based upon the fact that he doesn't shoot his team in the foot. They both do relatively the same things in the same type of offense .... with one exception , ball security.

And mobility. The book is out on Schaub. Put pressure on him and he folds one way or the other. When was the last time the naked bootleg led to a long pass. Have we had one this year. It seems to me that the opponent just attacks on the naked boot and basically the play is dead. There is no threat of it turning into a big play. I think Matt's obvious lack of mobility and pocket presence makes it too easy for the opponent. I agree Smith and Schaub were basically the same prior to injury. Not now.

 

[Corrosion]

Much better explanation Corrosion.


However, I still see that as a total waste of time that would set a team like the Texans back several years, because then you have to waste a few years hoping that Smith can do just enough to help your team win a SB to most likely ultimately find out that he can't. Then you have two or three years wasted when you could have been looking for a a strong QB. At this point, I just want the Texans to find a really good QB that can be our guy for the next ten years. Not saying it will be easy. It's one of the hardest positions to find, but god damn make it top priority and don't stop until you do. Look at how quickly the COlts organization changed when Luck arrived. They are a serious team that fast. I this day and age of the NFL young QB's can catch on a lot faster as well.
I think you're wasting valuable seasons if you're "settling" with a QB. YOu can still win it all, but the %'s are a lot lower and I'm tired of having to rely on everything being perfect around the QB to succeed. QB's in this day and age need to make things happen when plays break down and go South. That is what you need to win.

What's stopping you from doing both - finding a guy who can play now (Like Smith) and drafting top talent ?!

(Other than the fact that Schaub costs you $3m and $7m against the cap the next two seasons should you cut him at the end of this season and designate him as a June 1 cut).

 

[gafftop]

Much better explanation Corrosion.


However, I still see that as a total waste of time that would set a team like the Texans back several years, because then you have to waste a few years hoping that Smith can do just enough to help your team win a SB to most likely ultimately find out that he can't. Then you have two or three years wasted when you could have been looking for a a strong QB. At this point, I just want the Texans to find a really good QB that can be our guy for the next ten years. Not saying it will be easy. It's one of the hardest positions to find, but god damn make it top priority and don't stop until you do. Look at how quickly the COlts organization changed when Luck arrived. They are a serious team that fast. I this day and age of the NFL young QB's can catch on a lot faster as well.
I think you're wasting valuable seasons if you're "settling" with a QB. YOu can still win it all, but the %'s are a lot lower and I'm tired of having to rely on everything being perfect around the QB to succeed. QB's in this day and age need to make things happen when plays break down and go South. That is what you need to win.

I agree with you but with the talent on this team we can get by with an above average QB like Smith or MS before injury in 2011. I don't consider Matt above average now. I am convinced Matt's injury/maybe just age has made him unable to perform at a level that will allow him to lead us to SB. You get a good coach, great QB, and great GM and I think you stay on top for a long time. See Colts with Peyton, Brady with Belichick.

People talk about windows for teams to be great. The window depends not just on talent but a combination of talent (QB key) and coaching. A good GM keeps basic talent good, finding a great QB takes some luck, and having a great coach depends on Owner/GM hiring one. I think our basic talent is good enough now but our coach is above average and our QB is below average.

It is sad to see so much talent wasted. I am convinced MS as he is now will not lead this team to the playoffs. If he can eliminate his mistakes he can get us to the playoffs but not much more. Anybody know what his record is against teams with winning records 9-7 of better?

 

[Corrosion]

I agree with you but with the talent on this team we can get buy with an above average QB like Smith or MS before injury in 2011. I don't consider Matt above average now. I am convinced Matt's injury/maybe just age has made him unable to perform at a level that will allow him to lead us to SB. You get a good coach, great QB, and good GM and I think you stay on top for a long time. See Colts with Peyton, Brady with Belichick.

People talk about windows for teams to be great. The window depends not just on talent but a combination of talent (QB key) and coaching. A good GM keeps basic talent good, finding a great QB takes some luck, and having a great coach depends on Owner/GM hiring one. I think our basic talent is good enough now but our coach is above average and our QB is below average.

I pretty much concur with the bold. The missing link is at QB.

 

[thunderkyss]

i have the game.

Kubiak deciding to air it out despite yates throwing what seemed like 5 interceptions and staring down andre johnson the entire game while arian foster was having a great game.

I agree with this, always have. Jacoby's fumble was within the first 5 minutes of the game, should have had no effect. Just like the 20 points we put on Seahawks didn't make a sht.... just like there was plenty of time after the pick 6 & two offensive possessions in OT.

We had several chances to win that game (The Seahawks game, the Baltimore play-off game (divisional round), the Baltimore game two weeks ago).

Kubiak abandon the run too early & Yates forced the ball to Andre too much.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yes they do seem crazy. Alex Smith is nothing but an average QB and that is all that he will ever be. The Chiefs aren't winning because of some great passing attack from him. No one even worries about getting torched through the air by Smith.

I agree with what you're saying, but no reason to be so down on Alex Smith. Average is good when most teams don't have an average QB. Mistake free football is good when most teams will make mistakes.

Jacksonville, Dallas, Philly, NYGiants.... an average mistake free QB with the talent they've got on that team better be 4-0.

Tennessee this week, then Oakland. They may be 6-0 when we go see them at Arrowhead. Mistake free avg QB will probably make it a game for us.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

schaub: td 8, int 6, yds 1,193, rtg 85.7

smith: td 7, int 2, yds 952, rtg 89.9

 

[Carr Bombed]

I agree with what you're saying, but no reason to be so down on Alex Smith. Average is good when most teams don't have an average QB. Mistake free football is good when most teams will make mistakes.

Jacksonville, Dallas, Philly, NYGiants.... an average mistake free QB with the talent they've got on that team better be 4-0.

Tennessee this week, then Oakland. They may be 6-0 when we go see them at Arrowhead. Mistake free avg QB will probably make it a game for us.

A average QB isn't saving Jacksonville (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit couldn't save them right now.. that team has more holes than a cheese grater), this year's Giants, or this year's Philly team.. No way they'd be 4-0. I mean I get the point you're trying to make, you just picked the wrong teams or you're severely underrating the surrounding talent that the Chiefs have and have had.

Last year the only thing that was holding them back was they had a QB turning the ball over left and right and they were still able to win games.. that's why Smith has helped them so much, Smith doesn't turn the ball over.. it doesn't really have anything to do with being average or not, just don't turn the ball over. The teams you mentioned have far more problems than that.

As for the Cowboys, if they had Smith they wouldn't even be 2-2 right now. People give the guy a lot of beef, but on the season Romo has a 8 to 1 TD/INT ratio, is on pace to pass for 4,000+ yards and has a 105+ passer rating. He's actually having one of his best seasons so far. His losses have come to the same KC team that we're talking about and a resurgent Phillip Rivers (game 1 against our defense wasn't a fluke). If the Texans had a QB who put up the #s that Tony Romo has so far (8 Tds and only 1 pick) they'd be 4-0

 

[Corrosion]

Mistake free avg QB will probably make it a game for us.

That's all we really ask of Schaub in this offense .... He doesn't have to be anything more with all the weapons at his disposal and a very good defense.


He hasn't been doing what's asked of him ... he's given opposing teams 31 points as a direct result of his turnovers. That's more than a TD per game.

 

[thunderkyss]

A average QB isn't saving Jacksonville (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit couldn't save them right now.. that team has more holes than a cheese grater), this year's Giants, or this year's Philly team.. No way they'd be 4-0. I mean I get the point you're trying to make, you just picked the wrong teams or you're severely underrating the surrounding talent that the Chiefs have and have had.

My statement was average QB + mistake free football, carrying on with Corrosion's point.

I said average QB + Mistake free football + the talent they have + that cakewalk of a schedule they better be 4-0. Cakewalk schedule include the not very talented mistake prone Dallas Cowboys.


& Blaine Gabbert is a far cry from average.

 

[Carr Bombed]

You mean if those 4 teams had the talent that KC does?

 

[Trail.Blazr]

I would point out is that our other 2 QB options on the roster both hail from the Atlantic Coast Conference.... A REAL NCAA football powerhouse conference!

Whatever the conference, it's meaningless. It's what you do in the now....

What's happening NOW?

I like the notion of Yates or Keenum being paraded out as the starter while Schaub holds that clipboard. Even if for a quarter, or a game. He's so quick to yank a RB and sit him after a fumble. Let's hope 4 straight games with a pick 6 is his limit for QB's? At worst, I'd lay money down that given the task, either TJ or Case could match 3 straight. So at best, Kubes seemingly has nothing to lose. At worst, it turns out that Kubes can continue with his "it's on me" speeches.

I guess 4 is NOT the limit. Kubiak is just plain Stupid. Dumber than a box of rocks.

It's been enough of a struggle to be a fan for the past decade+. But to know your coach may be the stupidest person on the planet really sucks.

 

[aussie_texan]

to answer the thread title. over the course of the season it would probably be roughly the same but at least it shows the organisation is adapting

 

[Texanmike02]

If you're Kubiak you only have two real options next week. Schaub or Keenum. I can't see a league in which Yates wins anything more than you have won so far.

Its not popular but Schaub is still the most talented QB on the team not named Case. Yates is the equivalent of Cody Carlson if you ask me. He can come in and hold the fort down but that's it. It is possible that Case can do some things that Schaub can't but I don't think Yates adds anything to the mix. He was very mediocre in the preseason and has never impressed me. Nobody has been beating our door down to get him and with some of the teams needing a QB I would think somebody would have inquired about him if he really had anything other than solid backup potential.

Mike

 

[Texanmike02]

Either way throw some double move routes into the mix.

Mike

 

[Tailgate]

A higher draft pick.

 

[ATXtexanfan]

A higher draft pick.

True but sad

 

[eriadoc]

You either play for 8-8 by running Schaub out there and making hay against the weaker teams on the schedule, or you bench Schaub and take your chances with Keenum, IMO. If Keenum fails, you end up with a better draft pick. If he succeeds, you may make the playoffs. This defense and running game can still get the team to the playoffs with better QB play. Schaub's done, and not going to give you that. He's been done longer than a lot of people here want to admit.

 

[Corrosion]

If you're Kubiak you only have two real options next week. Schaub or Keenum. I can't see a league in which Yates wins anything more than you have won so far.

Its not popular but Schaub is still the most talented QB on the team not named Case. Yates is the equivalent of Cody Carlson if you ask me. He can come in and hold the fort down but that's it. It is possible that Case can do some things that Schaub can't but I don't think Yates adds anything to the mix. He was very mediocre in the preseason and has never impressed me. Nobody has been beating our door down to get him and with some of the teams needing a QB I would think somebody would have inquired about him if he really had anything other than solid backup potential.

Mike

I think Yates is a little better than you are giving him credit for ....


But I agree you go with Keenum , not because he is so much better than Yates right now but because he may have higher upside. We know what Yates is , we haven't a clue about Keenum.