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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

CloakNNNdagger said:
You can't expect YAC when your QB only seems to throw jump-up balls, behind his receivers, high passes, come back routes, almost hit-the-ground passes and into multiple coverage (especially when there are obvious alternatives present).
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Yet the Texans seem to be among the league leaders in YAC.
 
Corrosion said:
This entire offense is designed to keep the QB clean , from a strong running game to the play action stuff where they take their shots .... Masking the QB's weaknesses while taking advantage of what he has historically done well.
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What offense isn't?
 
Corrosion said:
Was going to start a new thread , but it all comes back to Schaub anyhow ... so here's my thoughts:


This entire offense is designed to keep the QB clean , from a strong running game to the play action stuff where they take their shots .... Masking the QB's weaknesses while taking advantage of what he has historically done well.

Its obvious to me that Gary understands what he has at the QB position .....

Over the last 8-10 games including the last few & playoffs last season , the QB hasn't been able to execute the game plan and rather than being a positive or net zero , that QB has hurt the teams chances.

I noticed against the Tinbreds that Schaub's play action fakes weren't up to the standards we are accustomed to ... I really think this is telling of a greater issue. It could be the accumulation of injuries to the shoulder & feet or it could be lacking trust in the OL having to turn his back to the defense.

When I look at the throws Schaub is making (or not) , its easy to see he isn't near as accurate with his location as he was in the past ... I think that is pointing to those injuries being a bigger deal than we are led to believe.


Is Schaub damaged goods or is the OL the problem ?! .... He should be performing to a higher standard in an offense designed around him being kept clean.
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It is becoming evident to many now that Schaub is throwing off of his back foot.

handswarmer said:
He throws off his back foot a lot on the short to intermediate passes and he doesn't have the arm strength to do it.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
That's because he doesn't have a healthy back foot to push off of..........a problem that effects both strength of throw (especially in tight spaces) and accuracy (again, especially in tight spaces).
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Stop to really think this out. If a QB's problem is based on a shoulder problem, in order to compensate weaker strength of throws, he will always try to compensate by pushing off even more forcibly with his back foot.........he will never end up throwing off of his back foot!
 
He is a time bomb waiting to go off every time he plays now. I don't care if Toro takes the helm. Schaub is done. His confidence is shattered and irrepairable.
 
It's not just Schaub. Don't get me wrong, he's horrible, but the next QB is still handcuffed by Kubiak's inept playcalling.
 
Look, I have been a Schaub supporter for the longest time. Right now, he gives us the best chance to win. So I'm not saying we should bench him. Despite the fact that he played a good game, he still makes an awful throw that puts us into overtime. We should be celebrating a victory right now, but now it's tied going into OT. Schaub may throw the game winning TD pass, but as of right now we need to find a replacement for him next season. Draft a QB high, I don't care. He isn't the answer, and needs to go.
 
I agree....that last 1.....that was just bad.....apart from that, our defense shouldn't just fall apart when Cushing goes out either......
 
Lurvinator11 said:
Look, I have been a Schaub supporter for the longest time. Right now, he gives us the best chance to win. So I'm not saying we should bench him. Despite the fact that he played a good game, he still makes an awful throw that puts us into overtime. We should be celebrating a victory right now, but now it's tied going into OT. Schaub may throw the game winning TD pass, but as of right now we need to find a replacement for him next season. Draft a QB high, I don't care. He isn't the answer, and needs to go.
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I say we bench him, let TJ play out the season, and then trade all our picks for first rounders and draft Johnny Manziel and Tajh Boyd and make them compete against each other in camp. Loser of the competition gets traded :thisbig:
 
Just gotta sit him.....if for no other reason for people to see that the answer at qb isn't on the roster.... And for folks to see that Kubrick is as much the problem as Schaub is..this team can't put 60 minutes together....haven't done it in a long time...that's on the coach
 
htownfan32 said:
I say we bench him, let TJ play out the season, and then trade all our picks for first rounders and draft Johnny Manziel and Tajh Boyd and make them compete against each other in camp. Loser of the competition gets traded :thisbig:
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Sorry mr. Aggie, but I don't want anything to do with Manziel. He's no where near ready for the pros, and I feel bad for whatever team takes him.

I want Bridgewater, but he's super high. At this point I don't care if it's Keenum, Schaub is just done. Done.
 
You don't kill Medusa by cutting off her hair

Get to the root of the problem.. it's just too bad McNair is in love with Kubiak
 
Lurvinator11 said:
Sorry mr. Aggie, but I don't want anything to do with Manziel. He's no where near ready for the pros, and I feel bad for whatever team takes him.

I want Bridgewater, but he's super high. At this point I don't care if it's Keenum, Schaub is just done. Done.
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Hahaha I was only half serious. In any case yes, Schaub needs out. I mock drafted Brett Hundley to us. I would be ecstatic with Tajh Boyd too.
 
Bench him.

Am sick of hearing how he blows it when it's crunch time.

Trade Tate and get a high pick for the host of talent in next years draft.
 
Mr teX said:
I agree....that last 1.....that was just bad.....apart from that, our defense shouldn't just fall apart when Cushing goes out either......
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They shouldn't, but through 3 quarters the D had played better than I've seen in a long while. The offense could have put the game away by then, but our HC was trying to protect the lead instead of going for the kill. The D has to be tired of the offense giving up a TD each game and being unable to score themselves. We put up 500 yards of offense, but could only manage 20 points? I don't care if the Seahawks are the best D in the NFL. That's embarrassing. It demoralizes a defense when they go out there time after time and do their job and watch the offense fail to produce.
 
I don't care what anybody says, Schaub is single-handily losing football games for this team. Basically throwing a jump ball with a 7 point lead is not on Kubiak. I don't know if Yates or Keenum is the answer but I'm getting ready to find out if Schaub continues playing like complete crap.
 
He should have been gone the day after he threw that pick six to Rodger-Cromartie back in 2009.
He has never been any good. Yates would have been a notch or two above Schaub by now if we had just bit the bullet and put him in there and lived with what we got over the last two years.
Schaub would not even be on a team in the NFL if it were not for the Texans.
 
**** this.



I cant stand those stupid rookie INTs he has to throw EVERY SINGLE GAME.






Kubiak or Schaub. One must go.
 
This is so true. Mistakes aside, show me one throw/read/decision that he made today that TJ or Case couldn't. I just don't see anything that makes him stand out as irreplaceable.
 
Ex-Texans Derrick Ward comment on Schaub

Brian Cushing pretty much admitting it last week

Arian Foster face/body language after Schaub pick 6 today

I feel it's getting more obvious how his teammates truly feel about this klutz
 
DX-TEX said:
Please stop. Im begging you quit making excuses.
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No excuse....Schaub needs to sit if not out right released.....but it ain't a coincidence the Seahawks started to roll when that dude went out...we're just not very good....remind me of the 2011 falcons that went 8-8 the year after they went 13-3...new coach and new qb needed ASAP.
 
PockyAF said:
Derrick Ward comment

Brian Cushing pretty much admitting it last week

Arian Foster face/body language after Schaub pick 6 today

I mean c'mon. Dude's mistake is going to kill this team's morale.
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I agree at some point this team will stop playing their hearts out, Schaub is losing the only people in the world who actually believed in him....hes worthless
 
I think we also need a new coach. We need action but we will get NOTHING but the same old ****.
Make Schaub inactive and let's see what TJ and Case can do.
 
I have been a Schaub supporter for a long time and thought the team could overcome his deficiencies enough to win, but this is it. I think whatever support he had in the locker room is probably gone now. He flat out lost this game for the Texans and he has to go! This makes his last 10 games that he's thrown a pick going back to last year, and now he has 3 pick 6's in the last 3 games. I'm not sure if that's an NFL record or something but Kubiak just can't put him back out there again! It would be a disservice to the team and to Schaub himself. I'm not sure what's going on with Schaub right now, whether it's in his head or what, but it doesn't matter. They just can't play him again!
 
Mr teX said:
No excuse....Schaub needs to sit if not out right released.....but it ain't a coincidence the Seahawks started to roll when that dude went out...we're just not very good....remind me of the 2011 falcons that went 8-8 the year after they went 13-3...new coach and new qb needed ASAP.
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Ok Kubiak does make some bone headed calls, but is it Kubiak who throws short of the sticks ? Is it Kubiak who throws the pick 6 ? Is it Kubiak who cant get away from pressure ?

Kubiak is hard headed in his belief that Schaub is the next Elway, but Kubiak does put us in position to win most of the time.

If Schaub wasnt so scared and could step up in the pocket instead of go all fetile when he sees pressure then the plays are there. He cant step up and keep his eyes down field, we dont need a QB like wilson who can run it 25 yards on a QB draw, we just need a QB who has awarness that Schaub doesnt have anymore.

Kubiaks ONLY flaw is that he is to hard headed in his belief in Schaub, for the most part i do not question his coaching.
 
Heres a preview from next weeks game

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WolverineFan said:
It's not just Schaub. Don't get me wrong, he's horrible, but the next QB is still handcuffed by Kubiak's inept playcalling.
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Right now, at this moment it is exactly "Just Schaub". Yates will indeed be saddled with the Kubiak-Cuffs but maybe his head is in a better place than Matts is right now. Schaub is making lousy decisions and trying to do too much. On top of that Matt can't create anything Not one thing can he make happen with athletic ability or sheer willpower. He's not that kind of player. Yates might be able to make something happen.

Sadly the only guy on the roster who has a history of creating out of thin air is Case Keenum* and Kubiak will have to progress through Yates before he could even bring himself to consider bringing Keenum off the bench to get a spark.

If things got to that level he'd just rationalize that Matt had sat enough and go back to him.




*Note: We don't really even know if Keenum could do that at this level. He did in college. Won't know if he can do it in the NFL until he gets a chance to try and with Gary that will never happen.
 
EllisUnit said:
Ok Kubiak does make some bone headed calls, but is it Kubiak who throws short of the sticks ? Is it Kubiak who throws the pick 6 ? Is it Kubiak who cant get away from pressure ?

Kubiak is hard headed in his belief that Schaub is the next Elway, but Kubiak does put us in position to win most of the time.

If Schaub wasnt so scared and could step up in the pocket instead of go all fetile when he sees pressure then the plays are there. He cant step up and keep his eyes down field, we dont need a QB like wilson who can run it 25 yards on a QB draw, we just need a QB who has awarness that Schaub doesnt have anymore.

Kubiaks ONLY flaw is that he is to hard headed in his belief in Schaub, for the most part i do not question his coaching.
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Lol, don't think kubiak has ever thought Schaub is the next elway.... And what many in here don't take into account about the throwing short of the sticks thing is many of the times teams force u to do that...

Where kubiak is failing....and has been consistently been failing is getting this team to play a full damn game... We always come out flat and rally.... Or come out like gangbusters and limp to the end....how about dominating from start to finish most times? That's on the head coach..
 
I'm going to go ahead and say it and I welcome the negative rep I'll get because I know I deserve it.

I'm going to say it anyway.

We need Matt to go down with another injury. It's time to see what else we have in the pantry and the only way Gary will ever do this is if Matt can't go.
 
Hervoyel said:
Right now, at this moment it is exactly "Just Schaub". Yates will indeed be saddled with the Kubiak-Cuffs but maybe his head is in a better place than Matts is right now. Schaub is making lousy decisions and trying to do too much. On top of that Matt can't create anything Not one thing can he make happen with athletic ability or sheer willpower. He's not that kind of player. Yates might be able to make something happen.

Sadly the only guy on the roster who has a history of creating out of thin air is Case Keenum* and Kubiak will have to progress through Yates before he could even bring himself to consider bringing Keenum off the bench to get a spark.

If things got to that level he'd just rationalize that Matt had sat enough and go back to him.




*Note: We don't really even know if Keenum could do that at this level. He did in college. Won't know if he can do it in the NFL until he gets a chance to try and with Gary that will never happen.
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Sadly it might take An injury to recognize it ala billicheat and brady
 
I have to believe this. The last picture they showed of him on TV he was sitting by himself. I don't think anybody else was on the same bench. It was like he had the plague or something. He looked pretty dejected. My guess is he's done! It's time to see if Yates or Keenum can do anything for this team. If not, they need to start looking in the Draft next year.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm going to go ahead and say it and I welcome the negative rep I'll get because I know I deserve it.

I'm going to say it anyway.

We need Matt to go down with another injury. It's time to see what else we have in the pantry and the only way Gary will ever do this is if Matt can't go.
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I don't disagree actually, other than I really don't like any player getting injured. Maybe Foster could just step on Schaub's foot or something.
 
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