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Houston Texans @ San Diego Chargers. 9:20. 9/9. ESPN. **Official MNF Thread**

Did anyone else get super annoyed by the ESPN analyst? Effing Trent Dilfer pissed me off the most just talking mad ish while we were down 28-7, "The Houston Texans just can't compete against elite QBs" or "They're just not built to comeback from a 21 point deficit" but once we mounted a comeback he was just giving us praise...
F outta here Dilfer
 
thunderkyss said:
My issue is when it's said. The game day thread during the game?? There's no room for negativity.

If we were on the sideline, we'd be screaming, "Shake it off guys!! Let's get this one." & things like that.
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No room for negativity? That's the definition of a "homer". Seeing the faults doesn't make you less of a fan. Sure, the "Cut Schaub, play Case!" stuff is over-the-top, but the "Duane Brown is getting OWNED" was on point.

We might be telling certain players to "shake it off", but I doubt the coaches were all that touchy-feely with Lestar Jean last night.

On the plus side - I wondered if Kubiak had gotten kidnapped last night. Fake Punt? Throwing downfield with little time on the clock before a half? Quick huddle and getting to the line quickly? And Schaub? Scrambling for his life (as usual), but looking and throwing downfield on target under pressure? Wow. The frozen rope he threw on 3rd and 18 was a thing of beauty. The long pass to Hopkins where he picked it off the turf gave me hope as well.
 
disaacks3 said:
Sure, the "Cut Schaub, play Case!" stuff is over-the-top, ...The long pass to Hopkins where he picked it off the turf gave me hope as well.
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How is that over the top exactly? Fine to see the weakness anywhere but the quarterback. If a season of receivers having to make shoestring catches and digging balls out of the dirt to scrape a win gives you hope, what does passes made spot on under the same pressure give you? Disarhea apparently?

i give up
 
waynegg said:
How is that over the top exactly? Fine to see the weakness anywhere but the quarterback. If a season of receivers having to make shoestring catches and digging balls out of the dirt to scrape a win gives you hope, what does passes made spot on under the same pressure give you? Disarhea apparently?

i give up
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I know your memory is crap but if you went back to that play Schaub was under pressure and scrambling, oh and the ball got there and was caught. Over the top is calling to bench your starting qb for a 3rd stringer when your first stringer posts the numbers he did
 
I take it all back. Schaub looked faster today. I think he can finally manage to run a 6.0 40 time now.

All kidding aside, Schaub was pretty clutch on 3rd downs. He was on target and avoided pressure when necessary. He surprised me yesterday, and I hope he keeps up the good play.
 
I love all the new people who registered in August that are here to drop some knowledge on texanstalk.
 
I don't post during games anymore. I used to but I found that I couldn't really concentrate on the game if I was checking on what was being said on TT.

But I LOVE to read back through the thread after-the-fact. A lot of the time, the posts reflect the kaleidoscope of feelings I'm going through as a fan during the game. Some of them are almost alien to me, though.

During last night's game, I was disgusted and disappointed for 2.25 quarters but I was trying to keep my chin up. I felt like our offense was actually playing OK and our defense was totally crap. You can't win that way. Rivers was looking like Rodgers. No matter how good your offense is playing, if the defense doesn't make stops, you can't claw yourself back into contention you can only hope to keep pace.

Duane Brown was just getting schooled through the first part of the game.

But then the defense showed up and started getting it done. Schaub and Andre and Tate and OD were just BEASTS.

Awesome, awesome game.

This team showed tons of heart. The hard part about showing tons of heart is that you've got to get behind to do it. Hopefully, we build off the good parts and eradicate the bad parts going forward.
 
waynegg said:
You can't take one game and compare it to a career history of choking in the red zone. I stand by my statement, Schaub's padded career stats happened between the 20's. Schaub brings little energy or inspiration to the team. As soon as his ass finds the grass a couple of times, the wind is out of his sails and he starts hanging his head.

Albert Einstein is credited with having said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" and it holds true. While Matt has been a decent quarterback, and worlds away better than David Carr (yeah, devotees defended that chump as vehemently too), the stats which matter (hint w-l ratio) just aren't there. And they likely never will be. When it matters most, Schaub drops the ball. The team can't succeed when 3/4 of all offensive red zone stands end in a field goal.

To get to the next level (Super Bowl or Bust), something different has to happen. While I'm grateful the Texans pulled out the W last night, it was miracle. Had Joseph not brought his man down oob, or Cushing not gotten that crucial pick 6 to turn the tide, this would be an entirely different conversation. That's 11 points provided by the defense and you can't reasonably expect that to happen every game.

106.7. If the Super Bowl or Bust motto were anything more than just that ~ a motto ~ that's the number the Texans would be playing with. The highest rated starting quarterback in all of the NFL finished his preseason with a rating of 103. Schaub finished with a mediocre 63. Case Keenum put up that first number, which lead the NFL in the position.

But, more than that, when Keenum was on the field it was clear who was in control. The boy is a General! Every play with him at the helm was sharp, and exact. He threw two of the prettiest passes, both right into Jean's breadbasket on a full tilt run, I've ever seen. Compare that to Schaub's throwing behind the receiver and causing them to break stride, slow down, and lose the addition yardage which could have been as a result.

Every quarterback makes mistakes. Hell, they're human too. But compare how they handle those mistakes. Schaub has the tendency to always blame the receiver, even when it was Schaub's lousy uncatchable pass which caused the disconnect. That causes dissonance and discord within the offense as well as unnecessary frustration. When Keenum has failed to hook up with his target, he's thus far owned it every time. Even when it wasn't his error which caused the dropped pass. That leads to an offense who WANTS to work for the quarterback.

Love Schaub all you want. Fine. Turn a blind eye to his actual play. Fine. I'm grateful for what he has done for the team and the level he's helped to bring them to, but I'm also realistic with my expectations of what he'll continue to give. Don't be disappointed when we come up with the same results as the last two years because that's what Scaub has in him. Right now the Texans have the highest rated QB in the entire league, and he's being iced. When he finally does get his chance, he'll have a lot of rust to shake off and will likely be a bit out of step. It's a travesty, and only proves that Super Bowl thing is naught more than a motto. History doesn't lie, and if you choose to not learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it.

Peace.
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This may be the best communicated, worst post In the history of texanstalk.

You lay out the arguments very clearly... Unfortunately, they are ludicrous!

1. Schaub never blames or calls out his wrs.

2. No football coach or gm in the nfl would start keenum over schaub- are you wiser than all of them.

3. Schaubs win -loss record, which you assert is a key stat, is 20 - 5 in the regular season since 2011, and not bad before that. Oh, and 1 -1 in the playoffs isn't exactly an irreversible trend.

4. Do you realize that almost every significant historical event had a series of failures proceeding it. George Washington wasn't replaced as commander of continental army because he lost some important battles during the revolution... "Because history repeats itself".

Come on!


Schaub looked better than he has since the first half of 2011... And, he appears healthier and less brittle than I have seen him,ever. I wonder what diet and training things he changed this off-season. He was almost....... Cough.... Nimble!
 
b0ng said:
I love all the new people who registered in August that are here to drop some knowledge on texanstalk.
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I didn't want to be the first to bring it up, but new members rampaging through the gameday thread with devisive opinions was probably the worst part about it all - it just screams troll to me...

Everyone's got their different ways of expressing their rage after a crappy play or adulation after a great play - however I'm a lot happier to cut someone some slack if they've been contributing here for a while, and it doesn't appear they're just here to cause an argument.

FWIW - I felt it was acutally quite quiet on here at gametime yesterday. Perhaps it's memory issues, but I felt like we always had an absurd number of gameday threaders for the road games.
 
Thorn said:
* note to self: set reminder to mute TV during halftime *
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mattieuk said:
I didn't want to be the first to bring it up, but new members rampaging through the gameday thread with devisive opinions was probably the worst part about it all - it just screams troll to me...

Everyone's got their different ways of expressing their rage after a crappy play or adulation after a great play - however I'm a lot happier to cut someone some slack if they've been contributing here for a while, and it doesn't appear they're just here to cause an argument.

FWIW - I felt it was acutally quite quiet on here at gametime yesterday. Perhaps it's memory issues, but I felt like we always had an absurd number of gameday threaders for the road games.
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They do it to get their post count up, because you know, bigger post count you have, the more of a fan you are...

Just realized I joined on Aug of 2010 lol, but I was on the "official" forum before since I didn't know about this one
 
Texanmike02 said:
No. Kubiak is loyal to a fault, only runs on 3rd and long and doesn't ever fake anything... oh wait... SB or bust. Yeah, this is a new team. Maybe Kubiak went to Denny's and asked them to change the menu a little :D.

Mike
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Look closer, that was no Denny's menu

Gary got a new one. That was some Cracker Barrel right there.
 
Hervoyel said:
Look closer, that was no Denny's menu

Gary got a new one. That was some Cracker Barrel right there.
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Maybe he got the special Baconalia Menu?

My heart rate is still returning to normal after that fake punt - I expected it so little, I presumed we'd fumbled it and forwarded the ball, lol.
 
waynegg said:
You can't take one game and compare it to a career history of choking in the red zone. I stand by my statement, Schaub's padded career stats happened between the 20's. Schaub brings little energy or inspiration to the team.
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Who gives a sht?

That's why we've got Foster & Tate.
 
rmartin65 said:
But we are not on the freaking sidelines. We are on couches, recliners, bar stools, etc. Nothing we say or do during the games will have any impact on the way the Texans play. So to get your panties in a twist because people have the audacity to complain about the team is ridiculous.
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Again.... I complain about the Texans all the time. But if I'm watching the game, whether I'm in the stands, on the sideline, in a sports bar, or with my good friends on TT.com I don't need that guy that complains about everything.

QBs throw interceptions, RBs get stopped for losses, teams give up big TD plays.... doesn't matter if it's the New England Patriots, the Andrew Lucks, or the SF 49ers. It's part of the game.

I want to see what they do next. Doesn't make sense to gripe about the latest mistake.
 
disaacks3 said:
No room for negativity? That's the definition of a "homer". Seeing the faults doesn't make you less of a fan. Sure, the "Cut Schaub, play Case!" stuff is over-the-top, but the "Duane Brown is getting OWNED" was on point.
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I don't have the problem with the "Duane Brown is getting owned." comments. That's an observation. There will be people who can't watch the game & will follow the GD thread, that's good information for them.

A guy I know (I won't call him a friend after what he did last night) called me at 10:53pm last night to say, "It's going to be a long year, D sucks... Typical Texans, blah, blah, blah."

& he says he's a Texans' fan. He's only a fan when they're winning. I called him at 12:45 am & he couldn't be happy. He kept complaining about how they got behind....

It just doesn't make any sense. There was a lot of that in this thread. Maybe y'all enjoy that, to sulk in your misery with the other doom & gloomers. & that's fine. I've stayed out of game day threads for a long time. I'll be at Reliant for most home games anyway, won't be on the board.. so it's not going to bother me too much.


Whatever makes y'all happy.
 
waynegg said:
How is that over the top exactly? Fine to see the weakness anywhere but the quarterback. If a season of receivers having to make shoestring catches and digging balls out of the dirt to scrape a win gives you hope, what does passes made spot on under the same pressure give you? Disarhea apparently?

i give up
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I feel you. I was the same way about David Carr. But I never brought that up in a game day thread, never talked about it during the game.... sure at halftime I'd go out to the mezzanine, smoke a cigarette, get another beer & talk about how the QB is holding us back.... but I always kept it positive (tried to anyway), "Yeah but he's got the ability, he's got an arm, he's fairly accurate, he just needs to get his head out his azz.... maybe in the 2nd half."



Complain about the QB. Complain about the coach. Complain about the #4 receiver & the safety we're starting because of injury... I'm asking you to not do it in the game day thread. As a favor to me. Start your own thread. Call it the "Let's talk sht about Schaub during the game" thread.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of people participate.
 
2012Champs said:
Another foster note how may drops did he have 3 or so?
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chicagotexan2 said:
they weren't all perfect passes but he definately should have made the catches especially since he snared a bad pass with one hand. He didn't look sharp and lacked focus. I like that Tate is getting more playing time. My guess is he's gone after this season and he knows he's auditioning for his next team. I just hope he can stay healthy.
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I only counted two drops and one that was really behind him. That third one I chalk up to the jailbreak blitz the Chargers ran at Schaub. He did well to get the ball out of his hand before getting pummeled. Hard to criticize that throw for not being spot on.

I've noticed that Foster can catch anything he gets his mitts on that at his waist level and above or if he dives for it. I've seen him make some impossible looking catches on high balls.

But if ball is down low and behind him, then it's iffy that he'll come up with the catch. Again, maybe that's just me.
 
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Dreamy!!:whip:
 
waynegg said:
You can't take one game and compare it to a career history of choking in the red zone. I stand by my statement, Schaub's padded career stats happened between the 20's. Schaub brings little energy or inspiration to the team. As soon as his ass finds the grass a couple of times, the wind is out of his sails and he starts hanging his head.

Albert Einstein is credited with having said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" and it holds true. While Matt has been a decent quarterback, and worlds away better than David Carr (yeah, devotees defended that chump as vehemently too), the stats which matter (hint w-l ratio) just aren't there. And they likely never will be. When it matters most, Schaub drops the ball. The team can't succeed when 3/4 of all offensive red zone stands end in a field goal.

To get to the next level (Super Bowl or Bust), something different has to happen. While I'm grateful the Texans pulled out the W last night, it was miracle. Had Joseph not brought his man down oob, or Cushing not gotten that crucial pick 6 to turn the tide, this would be an entirely different conversation. That's 11 points provided by the defense and you can't reasonably expect that to happen every game.

106.7. If the Super Bowl or Bust motto were anything more than just that ~ a motto ~ that's the number the Texans would be playing with. The highest rated starting quarterback in all of the NFL finished his preseason with a rating of 103. Schaub finished with a mediocre 63. Case Keenum put up that first number, which lead the NFL in the position.

But, more than that, when Keenum was on the field it was clear who was in control. The boy is a General! Every play with him at the helm was sharp, and exact. He threw two of the prettiest passes, both right into Jean's breadbasket on a full tilt run, I've ever seen. Compare that to Schaub's throwing behind the receiver and causing them to break stride, slow down, and lose the addition yardage which could have been as a result.

Every quarterback makes mistakes. Hell, they're human too. But compare how they handle those mistakes. Schaub has the tendency to always blame the receiver, even when it was Schaub's lousy uncatchable pass which caused the disconnect. That causes dissonance and discord within the offense as well as unnecessary frustration. When Keenum has failed to hook up with his target, he's thus far owned it every time. Even when it wasn't his error which caused the dropped pass. That leads to an offense who WANTS to work for the quarterback.

Love Schaub all you want. Fine. Turn a blind eye to his actual play. Fine. I'm grateful for what he has done for the team and the level he's helped to bring them to, but I'm also realistic with my expectations of what he'll continue to give. Don't be disappointed when we come up with the same results as the last two years because that's what Scaub has in him. Right now the Texans have the highest rated QB in the entire league, and he's being iced. When he finally does get his chance, he'll have a lot of rust to shake off and will likely be a bit out of step. It's a travesty, and only proves that Super Bowl thing is naught more than a motto. History doesn't lie, and if you choose to not learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it.

Peace.
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ObsiWan said:
This message brought to you by the Start Case Keenum NOW Foundation
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Dont get me wrong i like case a lot, but schaub looked better last night then i have seen in a while, and people may find this hard to believe. But i actually feel better about this team and this season after last nights game.

We're gonna do great things this year !!!
 
EllisUnit said:
Dont get me wrong i like case a lot, but schaub looked better last night then i have seen in a while, and people may find this hard to believe. But i actually feel better about this team and this season after last nights game.
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This game really worried me. Pass protection were horrible. Brown got steamed roll all night by an over the hill Freeney. Our D created little pass rush against a weak and inexperienced SD Oline.

The only positive was Schaub standing tall and throwing downfield on a couple of 3rd and long. Maybe the coaches and himself are emphasizing that weakness and have done something in the off-season?
 
klockWork said:
This game really worried me. Pass protection were horrible. Brown got steamed roll all night by an over the hill Freeney. Our D created little pass rush against a weak and inexperienced SD Oline.

The only positive was Schaub standing tall and throwing downfield on a couple of 3rd and long. Maybe the coaches and himself are emphasizing that weakness and have done something in the off-season?
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Lets not forget that Schaub stepped up to avoid pressure, rolled out to extend plays and make throws down the field. Thats a positive as well as the D getting in gear and only allowing 10 yards in the Chargers last 5 drives.
 
2012Champs said:
Lets not forget that Schaub stepped up to avoid pressure, rolled out to extend plays and make throws down the field. Thats a positive as well as the D getting in gear and only allowing 10 yards in the Chargers last 5 drives.
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Yep the D in the first half looked sluggish, tired and complacent. 2nd half D was great.

As far as d brown goes, he has been a top LT for a few seasons now, i'm not worried about him, he will be fine. On a good note the right side of the line looked competent.
 
klockWork said:
This game really worried me. Pass protection were horrible. Brown got steamed roll all night by an over the hill Freeney. Our D created little pass rush against a weak and inexperienced SD Oline.

The only positive was Schaub standing tall and throwing downfield on a couple of 3rd and long. Maybe the coaches and himself are emphasizing that weakness and have done something in the off-season?
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That's great. We have things to improve on.

We don't want to be playing our best football right now.

As long as we feel like we've got the people in place to get it fixed. Special teams might not get any better over the course of the season, but I think we've got a good set of coaches to help the offense & the defense improve over the course of the season.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's great. We have things to improve on.

We don't want to be playing our best football right now.

As long as we feel like we've got the people in place to get it fixed. Special teams might not get any better over the course of the season, but I think we've got a good set of coaches to help the offense & the defense improve over the course of the season.
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With Bullock and Lechler we may not need to worry about special teams this year.
 
Grams said:
With Bullock and Lechler we may not need to worry about special teams this year.
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Maybe....
Still, it wouldn't hurt to see longer some punt returns.

that fake punt was bad azz wasn't it.

I'm still in shock that Kubiak called it.
I may be scarred for life. I mean, you can't depend on ANYTHING these days.
 
buffalo2269 said:
Nothing wrong with being new and supporting the Texans
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nothing at all, we're glad to see new faces and on that note - welcome to the board. unfortunately the lurkers that are here waiting for their "i told you so" moment or jumping in just trying to be contrarian are the new guys who get the notice and give others a bad name.
 
EllisUnit said:
the ones who support the texans, but the problem is we have a lot of new users who come in here claiming to be texans fans who all they can seem to do is bash the team.
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I know I said some negative things during the game but that was because I was shocked and disappointed that we were down by so much to the chargers. Overall I'm proud of this team for coming back. Next time when the Texans are down I will have more of a positive attitude now since they beat the chargers the way they did.
 
cstyle42 said:
I know I said some negative things during the game...
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It isn't being negative or pessimistic that raises the ire of the mb. There are plenty of old timers here who are critical/pessimistic. What peeves people is when newcomers come in, jump into the deep end of the pool, make extreme statements either negative or positive and then start insulting anyone who challenges their opinions.
 
cstyle42 said:
I know I said some negative things during the game but that was because I was shocked and disappointed that we were down by so much to the chargers. Overall I'm proud of this team for coming back. Next time when the Texans are down I will have more of a positive attitude now since they beat the chargers the way they did.
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  1. How do we know the Chargers won't be the best team in the league this year? They were 7-9 last year, a 4 game swing (which isn't unheard of) would make them 11-5 this year. They're talented, we saw that. They're well coached, or at least appear to be. They can score in bunches... so let's not get all high & mighty with that "to the Chargers" talk.
  2. If you're going to support your team, support them when they're up, support them when they're down. Getting mad in the middle of the game isn't going to help anyone.
  3. Whatever mistake you saw will most likely be addressed the day after the game. It's just me personally, but if I'm going to spend my time, watching a Texans game, with my TT friends I don't need someone telling me how bad my team sucks. I'd like for someone to tell me how we can get ourselves out of the hole we dug.... or at least that we can.

We've got a whole week to btch, moan, & complain.... and there's a good chance I'll be right there with you btching, & moaning, & complaining. But during a game?
 
infantrycak said:
It isn't being negative or pessimistic that raises the ire of the mb. There are plenty of old timers here who are critical/pessimistic. What peeves people is when newcomers come in, jump into the deep end of the pool, make extreme statements either negative or positive and then start insulting anyone who challenges their opinions.
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Agreed.

That and ********* bottom quoters! :wild:
 
When the Texans came out the second half after SD TD. I don't remember which announcer it was, he said the Texans were sticking to there game plan, and that, that was almost arrogant.

Yet they walked it down right after that and scored.
 
Kgbmedic said:
When the Texans came out the second half after SD TD. I don't remember which announcer it was, he said the Texans were sticking to there game plan, and that, that was almost arrogant.

Yet they walked it down right after that and scored.
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That was one Trent Dilfer.
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Poster boy for game manager type QBs. Won Super Bowl XXXV as QB for the Ravens. After replacing starter Tony Banks mid-season, Dilfer went 7-1 the rest of the way and 3-0 in the playoffs thereby getting his team to the Super Bowl.

He was not re-signed by the Ravens in the off-season.

Decent QB. Could lead a good team but not carry a mediocre team.

Has been outspoken - for at least a couple of years - about the Texans' inability to (1) beat elite QBs and (2) show the gumption (my word, not his) to perform well on "big stages". What truly pisses me off about him is he's been right.
 
thunderkyss said:
  1. How do we know the Chargers won't be the best team in the league this year? They were 7-9 last year, a 4 game swing (which isn't unheard of) would make them 11-5 this year. They're talented, we saw that. They're well coached, or at least appear to be. They can score in bunches... so let's not get all high & mighty with that "to the Chargers" talk.
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  1. They have a new head coach. This always results in an improvement - except of course when it doesn't (in which case he should be fired before the season's over).
 
cstyle42 said:
I know I said some negative things during the game but that was because I was shocked and disappointed that we were down by so much to the chargers. Overall I'm proud of this team for coming back. Next time when the Texans are down I will have more of a positive attitude now since they beat the chargers the way they did.
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Stay positive and sometimes good things happen ! Unless its 2002-2006 & 2010 ;)
 
cstyle42 said:
I know I said some negative things during the game but that was because I was shocked and disappointed that we were down by so much to the chargers. Overall I'm proud of this team for coming back. Next time when the Texans are down I will have more of a positive attitude now since they beat the chargers the way they did.
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:) there ya go, our you can be like some old timers on here and start a negative thread before the game and then try to get all positive when we are getting beat down. :kitten: confusing
 
EllisUnit said:
:) there ya go, our you can be like some old timers on here and start a negative thread before the game and then try to get all positive when we are getting beat down. :kitten: confusing
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Makes perfect sense to me.

For some reason everyone expects us to beat everybody by 20+ points. I try to temper expectations..... some may call it negative, whatever.
 
thunderkyss said:
Makes perfect sense to me.

For some reason everyone expects us to beat everybody by 20+ points. I try to temper expectations..... some may call it negative, whatever.
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haha no sweat TK, i have grown to like your outlook on things. Was hoping you would see that post haha. Just pickin at ya
 
buffalo2269 said:
Nothing wrong with being new and supporting the Texans
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There's a very very large difference with registering, lurking, seeing what everything is about and then posting opinions, rather than just jumping up and trying to post the most contrarian opinions they can and then trying to attempt verbal jiu-jitsu when they are called out.

There's also a real big difference between discussing openly what the Texans aren't doing well, or which players are not playing well, and just existing to bash the team 24/7 with new threads everytime you come up with another reason why you think Schaub/Kubiak/whomever/whatever are <insert derogatory adjective here> and need to be cut/fired.
 
b0ng said:
There's also a real big difference between discussing openly what the Texans aren't doing well, or which players are not playing well, and just existing to bash the team 24/7 with new threads everytime you come up with another reason why you think Schaub/Kubiak/whomever/whatever are <insert derogatory adjective here> and need to be cut/fired.
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You left off the next step which I find to be the most annoying which is to then turn around to anyone who dares contradict the point and call them homers, apologists or lacking in football knowledge.

For all the new members. If you are catching static it is not about the message (opinions around here run the full gamut), it is the manner in which the message is delivered.
 
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