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steelbtexan said:
What makes him so special? LOL A blind man can see what makes him so special. Have you seen him play? If so you would realize how dumb that statement is.

Is he cocky and arrogant? Yes, Most great athletes are Jordan/Bonds/Brady etc... it's in their DNA. What most people dont like is the fact that guys like these have the innate ability to deal with outside pressures and still be their own person, and still perform at the highest level.

That and the fact is that they win and some people get very jealous and do their best to try to bring these athletes down. They aren't going to bring Manziel down, because he has the $$$$ to fight the system and a willingness to do so. Unlike Adams/Posey at Ohio St.

The only person that will bring down Manziel is himself and one day that will happen. But it wont be today. Manziel, from a few old timers I've talked to say he is a modern day Bobby Layne. Another Texas football legend.
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Wow! You act as if making an effort to try to show some humility and class are bad things. Typical.

Don't tell me that someone never pulled him aside and said "you are a public figure now".

Don't tell me that someone never pulled him aside and said "from now on, everything you do, and everything you say will be put under a microscope and be subject to scrutiny".

Don't tell me thst someone never pulled him aside and said "perception is everything, perception is everything, perception is everything. If you forget everything else, simply remember thst perception is everything".

Someone indeed had told him that. Probably so many times, they are blue in the face.

But he's just not listening. So he can reap the whirlwind.
 
Marcus said:
Wow! You act as if making an effort to try to show some humility and class are bad things. Typical.

Don't tell me that someone never pulled him aside and said "you are a public figure now".

Don't tell me that someone never pulled him aside and said "from now on, everything you do, and everything you say will be put under a microscope and be subject to scrutiny".

Don't tell me thst someone never pulled him aside and said "perception is everything, perception is everything, perception is everything. If you forget everything else, simply remember thst perception is everything".

Someone indeed had told him that. Probably so many times, they are blue in the face.

But he's just not listening. So he can reap the whirlwind.
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Show me where I've shown nothing but class on this MB? Yes, I've disagreed with the way the Texans do businees as a team. But nothing personal. You seem to not care for me and I realize that I'm not for everybody, so I dont let other peoples opinions of me affect my life in any way.

You do not know me, but people who know me well on this MB know me for who I am, a loving caring person, who has truly been blessed.

Back to topic, JM chose the whirldwind and seems to be more comfortable in it. You cant seem to accept the fact that he likes it this way and has lived this way all of his life and aint changing for anybody.

Be a hater if you will, be the guy is a winner on the field and that's what the game should be all about. This isn't church league softball we are talking about. College football is a multi billion $$$$ business and JM seems to know this better than most.
 
manziel keeps this up he'd be twerking with miley cyrus in no time.
kid's gotten big-headed. stay humble and grounded. arrogance ultimately leads you to a train-wreck.
 
He was cocky in high shool too. He had some slight issues off the field in Kerrville too.

Really is nothing new. On the field is the bet place for him where he can focus
 
qqert said:
manziel keeps this up he'd be twerking with miley cyrus in no time.
kid's gotten big-headed. stay humble and grounded. arrogance ultimately leads you to a train-wreck.
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Talk about the media making a mountain out of a molehill? What did he do that so awful? OMG, rice players were talking smack and making a signing motion and he did it back and pointed to the scoreboard. THE HORROR!

The refs were watching him all game long for something to flag. In the first half after a score he ran down with other players on the sideline and jump-bumped the player who scored and the ref grabbed him and told him to back to the sideline. Just him, even though there were many others there also.

Espn is trying to make everything manziel does villianous when it steps away from what thy want to see, which is him completely humbled and not doing anything special. Hell, Paul finebaum said today that respecting the opponent and not talking trash is "sacrosanct" in college football. Gimme a damn break.

Take manziel's name off the jersey and put it on any other player and he does the same thing and there would be no story or mention about it anywhere. Manziel is now public enemy #1 And they will bash him if he sneezes without a tissue.
 
What I find sort of hilarious about this is that a lot of the people in here who criticize Manziel for talking trash in a game don't even notice it happening in every game they watch between opponents. It happens that much, that you hardly notice it. Hell, half of the people in here who are critizing Manziel for talking trash on the field applauded Andre Johnson for trying to bash a guy's skull in on the field on a Sunday afternoon. :lol:

Double standards I tell ya.
 
BullNation4Life said:
He did the "money" gesture all last year and NOTHING was said about it. He is ACCUSED of taking money, NEVER HAS BEEN PROVEN, and NOW it is seen immature and selfish?

What the F ever....

Rice wants to talk crap, and they got b slapped. WHO THE HELL IS RICE to be talking crap to anybody? They are Rice....

I was at the game, low enough to see players, and saw Rice jawing at Manziel while he was walking back to the huddle, on Manziel's second play. So Manziel is suppose to just get, walk back and not say anything?

Obviously you never played football before.
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It's the combination of everything he did, it was very assholish. Actually, I did play high school football, but what the hell does that have to do with anything?

Get over your homerism. If you can't admit the kid is immature, you're blind as a bat. Quit cursing in caps, you look like a angry child. Lol @ "Rice got b slapped." Duh genius, Rice sucks.

Why is it necessary for a Heisman trophy winner to talk **** to Rice, as you say? It's rice, they aren't even remotely close to being ranked, they probably aren't even a winning team this year. Teams looking for the upset ALWAYS talk crap, it's the nature of football. Mature players, especially quarterbacks, don't allow it to bother them or poke at their ego. Ya, he's supposed to ignore them, that's what 95% of quarterbacks for big schools do. Big school QBs are supposed to be above petty crap.

I understand that A&M is on the big stage now and it is new to them. Sorry if your coach and neutral observers understand how this was an immature showing on Manziel's part.

All the Aggie fans here complaining about ESPN is laughable. Welcome to the big time, where ESPN actually pays attention to your program and debates the actions of your players. You aren't getting special negative treatment, get over yourselves.
 
steelbtexan said:
Show me where I've shown nothing but class on this MB? Yes, I've disagreed with the way the Texans do businees as a team. But nothing personal. You seem to not care for me and I realize that I'm not for everybody, so I dont let other peoples opinions of me affect my life in any way.
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What the ... :um:

I don't know how you got the idea that was casting aspersions on your character. I was referring to Manziel's lack humility and class, not yours. No, there's nothing personal. Yeah, I disagree with you with almost everything, but I disagree with everyone around here with almost everything. :) But it's nothing more than than that.
 
Stemp said:
Talk about the media making a mountain out of a molehill? What did he do that so awful? OMG, rice players were talking smack and making a signing motion and he did it back and pointed to the scoreboard. THE HORROR!

The refs were watching him all game long for something to flag. In the first half after a score he ran down with other players on the sideline and jump-bumped the player who scored and the ref grabbed him and told him to back to the sideline. Just him, even though there were many others there also.

Espn is trying to make everything manziel does villianous when it steps away from what thy want to see, which is him completely humbled and not doing anything special. Hell, Paul finebaum said today that respecting the opponent and not talking trash is "sacrosanct" in college football. Gimme a damn break.

Take manziel's name off the jersey and put it on any other player and he does the same thing and there would be no story or mention about it anywhere. Manziel is now public enemy #1 And they will bash him if he sneezes without a tissue.
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Sumlin didn't seem thrilled at all with what manziel did.

Maybe he hates him too.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It's the combination of everything he did, it was very assholish. Actually, I did play high school football, but what the hell does that have to do with anything?

Get over your homerism. If you can't admit the kid is immature, you're blind as a bat. Quit cursing in caps, you look like a angry child. Lol @ "Rice got b slapped." Duh genius, Rice sucks.

Why is it necessary for a Heisman trophy winner to talk **** to Rice, as you say? It's rice, they aren't even remotely close to being ranked, they probably aren't even a winning team this year. Teams looking for the upset ALWAYS talk crap, it's the nature of football. Mature players, especially quarterbacks, don't allow it to bother them or poke at their ego. Ya, he's supposed to ignore them, that's what 95% of quarterbacks for big schools do. Big school QBs are supposed to be above petty crap.

I understand that A&M is on the big stage now and it is new to them. Sorry if your coach and neutral observers understand how this was an immature showing on Manziel's part.

All the Aggie fans here complaining about ESPN is laughable. Welcome to the big time, where ESPN actually pays attention to your program and debates the actions of your players. You aren't getting special negative treatment, get over yourselves.
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Don't you feel just the slightest responsibility though to be smarter than the ignorant media that is clearly trying to find any kind of "gotcha" story they can on Manziel and criticize the media for this more then Manziel? I mean, I won't argue that he is sort of immature and he does make a few poor decisions considering the spotlight and all, but Manziel has become the new Tebow, and instead of blasting him for praying after TD's and other Christian like stuff, they're attempting to find any type of scandal they can to bring the kid down. Why is it that people even give the media like ESPN even the platform to suc people into this kind of trash? Personally I don't want to hear all this crap abut Manziel even if he is breaking the law every other day. Suspend his ass and move on to stories with players that are playing and teams that are important.

I get sick and tired of hearing people act as enablers for the media in America by continually bashing the people they have a witch hunt for just because the media says so. By saying "well this kid needs to know that anything he does is going to get miscroscoped and overly criticized" is in essence sticking up for the media's tactics and being okay with their garbage. How about we all stop getting sucked into these witch hunts by ESPN in our sports world and let Fox News and CNN tow that line for politics. It seems more and more like you fans want to treat athletes like politicians instead of young athletes who play a freaking sport for a living.
 
Manziel's a-hole behavior is described as"swag" by the people who defend him. Lol. Just remember, he can't wait to get out of college station. He has too much "swag" for Kyle field
 
htowntexans1985 said:
Manziel's a-hole behavior is described as"swag" by the people who defend him. Lol. Just remember, he can't wait to get out of college station. He has too much "swag" for Kyle field
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Other then acting unprofessional at the Manning camp, what is his ******* behavior that he has displayed that is so different then every other college QB? Please don't bring up talking trash to other opponents on the field either, because that is one of the silliest things the media has used to date on this guy.
 
Mr teX said:
They knew they didn't stand a chance so they we're lookintg for every advantage they could get & the bolded is the exact reason y he should've just shut his damn pie hole.

You're just supposed to :ahhaha: at them with your teammates point at the scoreboard & keep it moving. No response needed. I mean It's akin to you as a human talking smack to an ant just b/c it crawled up on your ankle unsuspectingly & bit you instead of just brushing it off and/or stepping on it.

What the hell do you have to gain by talking smack to them? It's shows how weak-minded he is that he has to do that kind of crap to such a lowly opponent. Reminds me of the last time UT played U of H here in Houston in football..Obnoxious fans from Austin arrive screaming "we're gonna kill you guys!!!!!!" & I'm thinking "well genius...you should kill us you're ranked in the top 5 and we're no where close to being ranked morons....:kubepalm:"

Its clear you haven't won much in team sports.
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Says the U of H fan....What have they EVER won in football?

and it's clear you sat on the bench. No football player with any kind of passion allows ANYBODY to talk smack to them, period. If you're man enough to deal it, better be man enough to take it.

Weak mined, seriously? Immature, sure but weak minded is a stretch. I saw Alabama players last year whoop up on folks, STILL talking smack. Guess they're weak minded as well?

Rice should have came in, taking their ass whoopin and left town and not said a damn thing....
 
Dont matter to me what Manziel does, IMO he will turn out to be J Russell all over again. I dont see his "talent" transfering to NFL success.

So sure let him make money off signing his john handcock, whatever.
 
Texecutioner said:
I get sick and tired of hearing people act as enablers for the media in America by continually bashing the people they have a witch hunt for just because the media says so. By saying "well this kid needs to know that anything he does is going to get miscroscoped and overly criticized" is in essence sticking up for the media's tactics and being okay with their garbage. How about we all stop getting sucked into these witch hunts by ESPN in our sports world and let Fox News and CNN tow that line for politics. It seems more and more like you fans want to treat athletes like politicians instead of young athletes who play a freaking sport for a living.
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I understand what you're saying, Tex, but it's completely unrealistic to think that the way the media conducts itself is going to change. That is something that is beyond your control. What you can control is recognizing the fact that you are no longer a private citizen. You are a public figure. You're no less a public figure than any politician or Hollywood actor. And when you become a public figure, the only control you have over that, is making sure you don't say or do anything that will be perceived the wrong way. As a public figure, that is your responsibility.
 
ESPN Needs some anti-Tebow news


News these days are like "reality tv". Take all the footage and people can create an image by showing specific pieces of info and paint a picture to fit their agenda.
 
Texecutioner said:
Don't you feel just the slightest responsibility though to be smarter than the ignorant media that is clearly trying to find any kind of "gotcha" story they can on Manziel and criticize the media for this more then Manziel? I mean, I won't argue that he is sort of immature and he does make a few poor decisions considering the spotlight and all, but Manziel has become the new Tebow, and instead of blasting him for praying after TD's and other Christian like stuff, they're attempting to find any type of scandal they can to bring the kid down. Why is it that people even give the media like ESPN even the platform to suc people into this kind of trash? Personally I don't want to hear all this crap abut Manziel even if he is breaking the law every other day. Suspend his ass and move on to stories with players that are playing and teams that are important.

I get sick and tired of hearing people act as enablers for the media in America by continually bashing the people they have a witch hunt for just because the media says so. By saying "well this kid needs to know that anything he does is going to get miscroscoped and overly criticized" is in essence sticking up for the media's tactics and being okay with their garbage. How about we all stop getting sucked into these witch hunts by ESPN in our sports world and let Fox News and CNN tow that line for politics. It seems more and more like you fans want to treat athletes like politicians instead of young athletes who play a freaking sport for a living.
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This stuff happens when you are a famous player on a big time program. It comes with the territory. Nobody cared when Manziel was arrested last year (something he managed to avoid this offseason), because he wasn't even the starting quarterback at the time. When you are the defending Heisman winner and your team is in the hunt for the title, ESPN is going to talk about you. A lot. Doesn't matter whether you are choir boy Tebow or rebel Johnny.


Rey said:
Sumlin didn't seem thrilled at all with what manziel did.

Maybe he hates him too.
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He looked pissed. Part of me thinks Sumlin would rather have Case Keenum as his QB.
 
Texecutioner said:
Don't you feel just the slightest responsibility though to be smarter than the ignorant media that is clearly trying to find any kind of "gotcha" story they can on Manziel and criticize the media for this more then Manziel? I mean, I won't argue that he is sort of immature and he does make a few poor decisions considering the spotlight and all, but Manziel has become the new Tebow, and instead of blasting him for praying after TD's and other Christian like stuff, they're attempting to find any type of scandal they can to bring the kid down. Why is it that people even give the media like ESPN even the platform to suc people into this kind of trash? Personally I don't want to hear all this crap abut Manziel even if he is breaking the law every other day. Suspend his ass and move on to stories with players that are playing and teams that are important.

I get sick and tired of hearing people act as enablers for the media in America by continually bashing the people they have a witch hunt for just because the media says so. By saying "well this kid needs to know that anything he does is going to get miscroscoped and overly criticized" is in essence sticking up for the media's tactics and being okay with their garbage. How about we all stop getting sucked into these witch hunts by ESPN in our sports world and let Fox News and CNN tow that line for politics. It seems more and more like you fans want to treat athletes like politicians instead of young athletes who play a freaking sport for a living.
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So be sick and tired then. I don't watch ESPN debate shows. I've seen nothing in regards to reporting on the way Manziel was acting. I watched the game and formed my own opinion. Believe it or not, people do form their own opinions and don't need to watch ESPN talk shows in order to do that. How about you guys just take people's opinion for their opinion and quit blaming ESPN? Y'all sound crazily paranoid.


BullNation4Life said:
Says the U of H fan....What have they EVER won in football?

and it's clear you sat on the bench. No football player with any kind of passion allows ANYBODY to talk smack to them, period. If you're man enough to deal it, better be man enough to take it.

Weak mined, seriously? Immature, sure but weak minded is a stretch. I saw Alabama players last year whoop up on folks, STILL talking smack. Guess they're weak minded as well?

Rice should have came in, taking their ass whoopin and left town and not said a damn thing....
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:kubepalm: Wow, maturity is clearly not something you are going to be able to decipher.
 
Texecutioner said:
What I find sort of hilarious about this is that a lot of the people in here who criticize Manziel for talking trash in a game don't even notice it happening in every game they watch between opponents. It happens that much, that you hardly notice it. Hell, half of the people in here who are critizing Manziel for talking trash on the field applauded Andre Johnson for trying to bash a guy's skull in on the field on a Sunday afternoon. :lol:

Double standards I tell ya.
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You know for a double standard accusation to work the situations have to be similar which is not the case with your argument.

Rey said:
Sumlin didn't seem thrilled at all with what manziel did.

Maybe he hates him too.
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Dan B. said:
He looked pissed. Part of me thinks Sumlin would rather have Case Keenum as his QB.
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Bingo [/argument]. His coach thought it A was unusual and B a dumbass move. Why don't you apologists figure out a way to work Sumlin into your ESPN conspiracy?
 
infantrycak said:
Bingo [/argument]. His coach thought it A was unusual and B a dumbass move. Why don't you apologists figure out a way to work Sumlin into your ESPN conspiracy?
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I personally think Sumlin handled it appropriately. It wasn't a very smart thing to do, but I also think it's overblown. He talked trash and was penalized for it. Big freaking deal! I just fail to see how this needs to be discussed at length either on their network or any other media outlet 2 days after the fact.
 
Sumlin knows that when the chips are down. You can't give free yards to teams like Alabama.

Manziel should know that too

However I think some of the **** is overblown.
 
EllisUnit said:
Hitler was cocky too, we all know how that turned out.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


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TexansSeminole said:
So be sick and tired then. I don't watch ESPN debate shows. I've seen nothing in regards to reporting on the way Manziel was acting. I watched the game and formed my own opinion. Believe it or not, people do form their own opinions and don't need to watch ESPN talk shows in order to do that. How about you guys just take people's opinion for their opinion and quit blaming ESPN? Y'all sound crazily paranoid.





:kubepalm: Wow, maturity is clearly not something you are going to be able to decipher.
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No I can decipher maturity, what I can't decipher is the BS of Hipocracy it seems people have. People that allow themselves to be bothered by Manziel, are weak minded in their own right. He is a freaking 20 year old kid. If you are letting the antics of a 20 year old kid get you angry or upset, you have your own special issues.

I'm not a homer, I never even went to Texas A&M, but I do notice the hypocrisy of ESPN and all the outlets wanting to make Manziel a cancer, when it was ESPN who built this kid up. It wasn't a year ago, his "money" gesture was him showing swag, as they said on ESPN, NOW it's immature? BS...

It's doesn't matter who the hell they are playing, teams talk trash, they get talked back to. EVERY team does it. I've seen Alabama QB talk smack when kicking the crap outta teams worse than Rice, and HE is what a Senior?

Come down off your high horse there buddy, air breathes just the same down here....
 
Marcus said:
What the ... :um:

I don't know how you got the idea that was casting aspersions on your character. I was referring to Manziel's lack humility and class, not yours. No, there's nothing personal. Yeah, I disagree with you with almost everything, but I disagree with everyone around here with almost everything. :) But it's nothing more than than that.
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I guess my reading comprehension is waning after all of these yrs. Post 501,

Wow, YOU act as if making an effort some humility and class are bad things. Typical.

Maybe my reading comprehension isn't so bad afterall. Anyway I repped you because I'm sure you didn't mean to direct that post to me. LOL
 
BullNation4Life said:
No I can decipher maturity, what I can't decipher is the BS of Hipocracy it seems people have. People that allow themselves to be bothered by Manziel, are weak minded in their own right. He is a freaking 20 year old kid. If you are letting the antics of a 20 year old kid get you angry or upset, you have your own special issues.

I'm not a homer, I never even went to Texas A&M, but I do notice the hypocrisy of ESPN and all the outlets wanting to make Manziel a cancer, when it was ESPN who built this kid up. It wasn't a year ago, his "money" gesture was him showing swag, as they said on ESPN, NOW it's immature? BS...

It's doesn't matter who the hell they are playing, teams talk trash, they get talked back to. EVERY team does it. I've seen Alabama QB talk smack when kicking the crap outta teams worse than Rice, and HE is what a Senior?

Come down off your high horse there buddy, air breathes just the same down here....
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Manziel doesn't get me upset, I've already stated that. I just called him an ******* and then you and others respond like I slapped your 12 year old daughter.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Manziel doesn't get me upset, I've already stated that. I just called him an ******* and then you and others respond like I slapped your 12 year old daughter.
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No I respond to point out the hypocrisy of people. Same people that were singing this kids praises and calling him the next big thing, are now calling him a tool and a-hole, immature and radical and this and that. It's freaking hilarious.

I enjoy watching him play, he is exciting but I am not going to get my day ruined because he is sitting court side at a basketball game, or sitting in a casino with a wad of cash or out getting hammered. I don't get bent because this kid comes from money, then flaunts it and has more fun in 1 summer than most that bash him have had in an entire life time.....

BUT that's just me...
 
BullNation4Life said:
No I respond to point out the hypocrisy of people. Same people that were singing this kids praises and calling him the next big thing, are now calling him a tool and a-hole, immature and radical and this and that. It's freaking hilarious.

I enjoy watching him play, he is exciting but I am not going to get my day ruined because he is sitting court side at a basketball game, or sitting in a casino with a wad of cash or out getting hammered. I don't get bent because this kid comes from money, then flaunts it and has more fun in 1 summer than most that bash him have had in an entire life time.....

BUT that's just me...
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Because all that you just brought up was mentioned in my post, or any of my posts?
 
I am amazed that people can't hold the thought that Johnny football is an amazing, if not brilliant football player and an immature (even for 20) tool at the same time. Because you like the one does not mean you ignore the other.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I am amazed that people can't hold the thought that Johnny football is an amazing, if not brilliant football player and an immature (even for 20) tool at the same time. Because you like the one does not mean you ignore the other.
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Very true

I like the fact that JM beats to his own drummer, sometimes to his own detriment.
 
Texecutioner said:
What I find sort of hilarious about this is that a lot of the people in here who criticize Manziel for talking trash in a game don't even notice it happening in every game they watch between opponents. It happens that much, that you hardly notice it. Hell, half of the people in here who are critizing Manziel for talking trash on the field applauded Andre Johnson for trying to bash a guy's skull in on the field on a Sunday afternoon. :lol:

Double standards I tell ya.
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He should have done something that this board would have found classy, like trying to smash another man in the head with his own helmet.
 
Stemp said:
Talk about the media making a mountain out of a molehill? What did he do that so awful? OMG, rice players were talking smack and making a signing motion and he did it back and pointed to the scoreboard. THE HORROR!

The refs were watching him all game long for something to flag. In the first half after a score he ran down with other players on the sideline and jump-bumped the player who scored and the ref grabbed him and told him to back to the sideline. Just him, even though there were many others there also.

Espn is trying to make everything manziel does villianous when it steps away from what thy want to see, which is him completely humbled and not doing anything special. Hell, Paul finebaum said today that respecting the opponent and not talking trash is "sacrosanct" in college football. Gimme a damn break.
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It's gotten hilarious.

Rey said:
Sumlin didn't seem thrilled at all with what manziel did.

Maybe he hates him too.
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Most folks don't understand Sumlin's "lack of flexibility". For those of us who do, it's no surprise. (Just like the defensive suspensions)

TexansSeminole said:
So be sick and tired then. I don't watch ESPN debate shows. I've seen nothing in regards to reporting on the way Manziel was acting. I watched the game and formed my own opinion. Believe it or not, people do form their own opinions and don't need to watch ESPN talk shows in order to do that. How about you guys just take people's opinion for their opinion and quit blaming ESPN? Y'all sound crazily paranoid.
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And you sound like your opionion was formed by the talking heads at ESPN. Fine, the kid got a flag for taunting the other team (after getting taunted to begin with) - big friggin deal. I had to find radio coverage of the game, as I still wanted some play-by-play and not a 20+ minute discourse on how Johnny Football is ruining the american college football landscape.

infantrycak said:
His coach thought it A was unusual and B a dumbass move. Why don't you apologists figure out a way to work Sumlin into your ESPN conspiracy?
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I've never seen anything from Sumlin indicating that taunting was "unusual". Sure, it was a dumbass penalty, it just wasn't the end of the western world and hasn't required the level of horse**** piled on that has followed. Not sure where what Sumlin thinks has anything whatsoever to do with the ESPN attack.

Does the kid do immature things? Sure. He grew up well off in a community where it's likely anything he did could be swept under the rug. He's had great success at a young age, is talented and loves the spotlight. He gets to live under closer scrutiny than anyone most of us have ever met. I doubt that anyone his age really understands what to make of everything. It shows. This is a kid (with his background) acting like a kid (with his background).

Let's analyze this a little deeper. ESPN "breaks" a story on Manziel signing autographs for $$$. When push comes to shove, both they (and the NCAA) look like dopes, as they can't get a single "witness" to come forward. Sure, that might have more than a little to do with the likelihood that the State of Texas would prosecute the brokers, just as the whole investigation had more than a small root in Alabama football. ESPN looks like the fools they often are, and Manziel manages to give them more ammo with the taunting penalty. Oh look, no deeper analysis is really needed.
 
God, some people are getting so worked up about Manziel. Just watch games and if you really can't stand JM, just don't watch A&M games.

How much does he affect your life that you really need to come onto the internet and berate him? Yeesh.

The only reason I post here is because it's my college and my football team. I'm territorial, and I'll defend them even if I don't really like Manziel myself.
 
How is manziel different from any other person that has been discussed here over the years?

Can no one think any action of his is negative without being a hater, ditto head, or overly consumed?
 
Rey said:
How is manziel different from any other person that has been discussed here over the years?

Can no one think any action of his is negative without being a hater, ditto head, or overly consumed?
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I think plenty of his actions are idiotic, but that doesn't make me come onto the board and call him a classless POS, the worst thing to happen to college football, the Antichrist, etc. etc.

(that last one was a joke) :sarcasm:

I'm just saying the reaction has been more vitriolic than his actions deserve.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Says the U of H fan....What have they EVER won in football?

and it's clear you sat on the bench. No football player with any kind of passion allows ANYBODY to talk smack to them, period. If you're man enough to deal it, better be man enough to take it.

Weak mined, seriously? Immature, sure but weak minded is a stretch. I saw Alabama players last year whoop up on folks, STILL talking smack. Guess they're weak minded as well?

Rice should have came in, taking their ass whoopin and left town and not said a damn thing....
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Lol, what the hell has A&M ever won? You're talking like A&M has been a powerhouse the last 20 years.

Lol yeah i sat on the bench b/c i realized a long time ago that all my haters aren't on equal footing & some don't even deserve my attention.....:rolleyes: yeah ok. Clear to see you've never won at anything consistently.

A Rice player talking smack to me after i threw 3 TD in less than a qtr of play deserves no response from me. Scoreboard & keep it moving.

An Alabama player whose team is the only thing really standing in my way between a BCS title with guys equally as nice at their position as i am at mine is an entirely different animal & might warrant a little
smack talk back.

So yeah, its immature......and weak-minded. Weak ass hell b/c it shows that he's got an incessant need to respond to players' smack that are clearly not of the same caliber as him. It also lets other players & coaches know they can get in his head....easily.

Apart from all this you guys seem to be missing the point...at least my point. I'm looking at this from Sumlin's POV. You see It's not just this 1 incident that he's had to deal with in handling this guy...Its the collective that once again ESPN ain't making up. & If for no other reason than to make his coaches job easier, the jackass should just STFU, put his head down and play ball. Again at least TRY to show some maturity & concern for someone other than Johnny...& of course he's not doing it.

That disregard he's showing puts Sumlin in between a rock & a hard place. He doesn't have the security to just discipline him like he probably would any other player; The fans or the administration would fire him or get him fired.

Sumlin's actions and words last Saturday should speak a ton about what he thinks of Manziel's actions collectively & to date...His words and actions should hold more weight than anything Mark May, Jesse Palmer or any other outsider from ESPN or fan messageboard has to say.

I mean it's right there in front of you guys' face & you don't want to see it b/c y'all have somehow got it in your heads that ESPN has it out for the guy..... as if he's somehow different than previous other stars in the last 10-20 years. RG3 won the Heisman in 2011, he didn't have nearly the polarizing effect that this jackass is having.....b/c he kept it classy.

The funny thing is, when this was going on down the road in Austin with a certain other Qb, you guys were going on & on about how classless & stupid he is/was. Now that the spotlight has shifted "it's all good........that''s just who johnny football is!!!"
 
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htownfan32 said:
I think plenty of his actions are idiotic, but that doesn't make me come onto the board and call him a classless POS, the worst thing to happen to college football, the Antichrist, etc. etc.

(that last one was a joke) :sarcasm:

I'm just saying the reaction has been more vitriolic than his actions deserve.
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I honestly haven't gotten that vibe, but I'm just asking...how is he different from any other person that's discussed here? Strong white/black (vs. shades of gray) opinions tend to be common place on message boards. I wouldn't get too worked up about people (not calling anyone out because I haven't seen it) that completely hate JM.
 
qqert said:
wait.. we cant criticize manziel? is he obama now?
and what issues do you think people have when they get their pantys in a bunch when the media criticizes their idol?

were you the "leave britney alone" dude a few years ago?
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Sure criticize him, if you feel the need to criticize a kid who is closer to 19 than 21, because he is not "a man" then by all means. I just find it hilarious that the same people that criticize Manziel, that say he is a detriment to the team, that he should be benched, blah blah blah, are the same ones who praised him for his rebel, shoot from the hip, swagger he showed last fall when he was a nobody...

Hipocracy knows no bounds I guess...

The fact that Manziel is anybodies idol says so much about that individual. If anybody is getting their panties in a wad over what this kid is doing, they need help, plain and simple.

Is he immature, his actions would say so but I wouldn't expect anything less from a post-teenager. Is he a punk, douche, tool, etc. Don't know, A: never met the kid B: He never talks to the media. When he did talk, he seemed respectful.

Again, if you are letting the antics of a kid get to you, seek help immediately...
 
Rey said:
How is manziel different from any other person that has been discussed here over the years?

Can no one think any action of his is negative without being a hater, ditto head, or overly consumed?
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Apparently we are all brainwashed by evil sports media.
 
Lemme get this straight...
The starting QB of a major college football program is suspended for the first half of the season opener, and later in that same game benched by his own coach... and anyone who makes a negative comment about it is a hater and brainwashed by ESPN?
 
michaelm said:
Lemme get this straight...
The starting QB of a major college football program is suspended for the first half of the season opener, and later in that same game benched by his own coach... and anyone who makes a negative comment about it is a hater and brainwashed by ESPN?
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No. The haters are the ones who see something on tv or hear someone on espn bloviate and think they know what sumlin or manziel are thinking or doing.
From today's press conference:
The "money" sign was done last year and this year by many in the team and has no real meaning per the players at the presser
Sumlin said that he made two comments to manziel when he got the penalty didn't ask a question nor should manziel have responded to him if he was smart. Sumlin said he couldn't repeat what he said in public.
What people, including ESPN and others in the media think they know from the tv or behind a desk in a studio is often totally different than the reality.
 
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