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The backup RB battle

Lucky said:
There are a lot of Tate haters on this board. Understandable, as he has disappointed in being able to stay on the field. At the same time, the wannabe GMs think the Texans could get a high pick for him. Huh?

I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.
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I'd love nothing more than a Ben Tate that can take over for a gimpy Foster. I'm no hater by any means, but.... I think there's a greater chance of Ed Reed playing 16 games for us than Ben Tate producing like that guy for 10.

Am I a hater?

I'd like to keep 4 running backs on our Roster, Foster, Tate, Karim, Wood, then stash Dj & Graham on the PS.

If we can't afford the 4th spot, I'm willing to roll the dice & cut Tate. I wish him success where ever he ends up, but if I can't afford the roster spot, that's the way I would go.
 
Any decent trade value Ben Tate possessed is off the table now. Any moves like that will have to wait until next March/April.

The more Ben produces better his next contract regardless who it's with so behooves him to play.

Karim special team return value solidifies a roster spot.

Wood has an outside shot to be a bell cow future back if he figures out scheme?

Agree with DJ & Graham on PS
 
beerlover said:
Any decent trade value Ben Tate possessed is off the table now. Any moves like that will have to wait until next March/April.
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Tate will be a unrestricted free agent after the season. So unless the Texans franchise Tate, there will be no offseason trade.
 
Thorn said:
meh....Tate is on my **** list and is staying there until he can show me something.
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See, I just couldn't disagree more with this line of thinking. Two years ago, Tate carried the ball 175 times, and averaged 5.4 ypc in the process. I don't see any reason for anyone to be convinced that things have changed, and now he sucks. I know he only carried the ball 65 times last season, and while there have been some injury concerns in the past, he appears to be healthy at this moment, and he's in a contract season. As far as how he's looked this preseason, he's only got four carries and four receptions, so even if you did choose to put limited preseason touches ahead of past actual game performance, it's not like you've got much of a body of work to form any sort of opinion on. And yeah, I know he had the completely blown pass protection issue, but I also think there's a tendency to form (or change) opinions based on one horrible thing, when the bulk of the evidence doesn't support that. I don't recall any major pass protection issues on his part when he played significant minutes in 2011, and when I did a little research to try to see how he fared when playing more while Arian was limited with "Anti-awesomeness", I found this:

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley

Kubiak: "Ben Tate played very good on pass protection." >That is a plus factor that could give him more field time.
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Again, I'm not going to let one play - no matter how visible and awful it was - form my opinion when there's evidence to the contrary.

Now I'm not one of those guys who says even if Arian misses some time, he's a system back, and we won't miss him (I know there's not many of those guys, but there's a few). Arian's a better back than Ben Tate is, and that helps us win games. However I am one of those guys that says if Arian does end up missing some time, or if he just needs to be spelled now and again, that there's nobody who's on our roster, who's currently available, or who's going to become available who's going to do that as well as Ben Tate will.
 
It's my fault that my posts are misconstrued often.
On the other hand, I can't keep reminding people not to fantasize and to make things up.

Is there anywhere that I said anything bad about Tate?
Or about not wanting him on the roster?

The fact remains that the Texans just need Foster to stay healthy and some guy(s) to give him a breather now and then.

Obviously, you would want each position to be as stacked as possible in case of an injury. A healthy Tate is definitely better than any of the other guys; that's a given.
 
Tate showing flashes of his one good season. I'm glad to see it, I really am. Still though, he was nothing for two of his three seasons. If he comes back this year, that means he's still only batting 500.

Yes, a healthy Tate is better than all the rest trying to make the team, but the question is will he stay healthy. I'll not be happy with Tate until he shows up for most of the season and replicates his one good year.
 
Lucky said:
There are a lot of Tate haters on this board. Understandable, as he has disappointed in being able to stay on the field. At the same time, the wannabe GMs think the Texans could get a high pick for him. Huh?

I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.
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Taters?
 
Lucky said:
I am not that impressed with Karim or the UDFAs. I don't see an Arian Foster. More like Darius Walkers and Samkon Gados. I think the Texans would love to get a vet back like Derrick Ward off waivers. I doubt that happens. Let's just hope that Foster and Tate can collectively stay healthy.
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Lets hope Tate can hang onto the damn ball .... twice today he put the ball on the turf. :boogereater:
 
Watching Tate today I'll admit I may have forgotten how special he can be...

So we'll just have to find a way to keep 4 runningbacks. Tate is as fragile as Schaub.

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76Texan said:
It's my fault that my posts are misconstrued often.
On the other hand, I can't keep reminding people not to fantasize and to make things up.

Is there anywhere that I said anything bad about Tate?
Or about not wanting him on the roster?

The fact remains that the Texans just need Foster to stay healthy and some guy(s) to give him a breather now and then.

Obviously, you would want each position to be as stacked as possible in case of an injury. A healthy Tate is definitely better than any of the other guys; that's a given.
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Tate is another Sharpton situation, love to have him healthy a season especially in a possible SB season but....you just do not know what you are getting. I agree 76 that Foster is the man and we basically need a relief for him. I see Karim as a replacement for Forsett and much faster. If we can get a decent pick I'd do it and go with Wood. If we cannot, Tate remains and we pray for his health as we do for rain, daily.

The WR corps disturbs me a bit also with Hopson still in day 1 of protocols. As of today, we seem to offer MS same weapons as last season. Posey is a slight plus until we know what we have and Jean looked good today. He could give Matt a bit of reassurance if he can win his QB's trust and allow Hopson and Posey time to get healthier. I wished our LBs were this deep.
 
I become more undecided as the pre-season continues. Johnson and Wood looking great so far.
 
Would take Woods 1st Like change of pace of DJ but fumbles too much. Maybe stash him on PS. Karim I have never been impressed with.
 
EllisUnit said:
Carry 3 TEs ???
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most definitely. we only carried the two last year (plus casey), and they really seemed to wear down at the end of the season. we run too many 2 and 3 tightend packages to be thin here, and i doubt griffin would clear waivers.

as for runningback, wood appears to be the guy for me. i cant trust dennis johnson's hands, and kerim has been pedestrian IMO. wood seems like the best fit for our offense based on his style of running and his strengths.
 
Scooter said:
most definitely. we only carried the two last year (plus casey), and they really seemed to wear down at the end of the season. we run too many 2 and 3 tightend packages to be thin here, and i doubt griffin would clear waivers.

as for runningback, wood appears to be the guy for me. i cant trust dennis johnson's hands, and kerim has been pedestrian IMO. wood seems like the best fit for our offense based on his style of running and his strengths.
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I think Karim not getting caries in the regular offense means the Texans have made a decision. also, since both runners ran through the Dallas defense, not as good for either player as it seems.


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ArlingtonTexan said:
I think Karim not getting caries in the regular offense means the Texans have made a decision. also, since both runners ran through the Dallas defense, not as good for either player as it seems.


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Woods will be picked up by someone before he makes it to our practice squad.
 
Rey said:
I think cierre makes the roster. He's run well whenever given the opportunity.
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They would have to carry four RBs for that to happen IMO. I'm thinking Karim makes the final roster before Woods. Stanger things have happened though. I would just really hate to lose Woods.
 
Thorn said:
They would have to carry four RBs for that to happen IMO. I'm thinking Karim makes the final roster before Woods. Stanger things have happened though. I would just really hate to lose Woods.
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I don't know what they'll do with karim and honestly I don't really care all that much. But I think they'll keep cierre.
 
I said this in the game thread that I'd prefer Wood, love the way the guy runs. I also like how he fits in our team name scheme in how people are always going to call him "Woods" instead of Wood, which is his last name.
 
Did Cierre Wood do any returns this preseason? All things being equal, even if Karim played against tougher competition, Karim did return KOs.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/kubiak-sits-karim-to-see-what-wood-johnson-can-do/

With Wood and Johnson attacking, third-string running back Deji Karim was left to watch on the sideline.

“I know what we’ve got with him,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said. “I wanted to see what the young guys could do.”
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Wood certainly made a case to be on the roster. No denying that. I like our top 4 RB.
 
PapaL said:
Did Cierre Wood do any returns this preseason? All things being equal, even if Karim played against tougher competition, Karim did return KOs.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/08/kubiak-sits-karim-to-see-what-wood-johnson-can-do/



Wood certainly made a case to be on the roster. No denying that. I like our top 4 RB.
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To me, I don't even care if someone can return kickoffs. Marciano couldn't make the best kick returner in the NFL look good last year. We honestly shouldn't even take a ball out of the EZ. If we even have a decent kick return it'd be negated by a block in the back anyway.
 
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.
 
Blake said:
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.
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THAT is not our system. That is a damn good RB! Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.
 
Blake said:
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.
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Sounds like you'd have let Arian go when he was just starting out.
 
DX-TEX said:
THAT is not our system. That is a damn good RB! Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.
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The Packers have Eddie Lacey, Jonathan Franklin and James Stark. Skins have Morris, Royster and Helu. Montee Ball, Jacob Hester, Moreno and Hillman. They are not worried about Cierre Wood. They have their own young talent to worry about keeping.

Rey said:
Sounds like you'd have let Arian go when he was just starting out.
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Umm Foster was waived in 2009 and signed to PS. So yea.

I feel that you guys are assigning too much value to a 4th string player.
 
Blake said:
Umm Foster was waived in 2009 and signed to PS. So yea.

I feel that you guys are assigning too much value to a 4th string player.
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We were lucky no one picked him up, wouldn't you say? If someone did and then he blew up for another team we'd be talking about the mistake we made.

Wood has show a bit more, plus the Team has a spotlight on them now. We might not be so lucky the next time.

And as far as value on a 4th string player, I think he's a better runner than Karim and if Tate is gone after this year I think he might be able to challenge for the back-up role.

I think you're too consumed with what you believe he is right now instead of how he could possibly do to help the team in the future.
 
Rey said:
We were lucky no one picked him up, wouldn't you say? If someone did and then he blew up for another team we'd be talking about the mistake we made.

Wood has show a bit more, plus the Team has a spotlight on them now. We might not be so lucky the next time.

And as far as value on a 4th string player, I think he's a better runner than Karim and if Tate is gone after this year I think he might be able to challenge for the back-up role.
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My point is still valid. We put Foster on the PS. We can put Wood or DJ there too. Kubiak didnt even play DK, essentailly showing his hand and telling us who he likes more for this football team. If Wood was all that he would have kept him over DK. But he didnt. He and the rest of the NFL value experience and reliability when they give them the ball.

Rey said:
I think you're too consumed with what you believe he is right now instead of how he could possibly do to help the team in the future.
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Kubiak just said that he has 75 players that can play in the NFL, just not for the Texans. Cuts are hard. There are alot of young guys that can help this team in the future, but we just do not have the room to keep them and protect and nurture them on the active roster. You have to take risks just like we did with Foster and keenum on the PS.
 
Blake said:
I dont understand the love for these RBs. We find several every year that show promise. They are not good enough to take up a roster spot. Cierre Wood and DJ need to be cut and signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers. We have 2 very talented RBs and DK has skills and experience. Even if they get signed to someone elses active roster I am sure we can find another group of young runners who will thrive in our run system.
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Did you say the same thing when we picked up Foster as an UFDA? We all know that they can find other young RB's that will thrive in the system, but they have to keep looking for the next Arian Foster. And, the only way to do that is to let the ones "that show promise" play it out on the field and see what they have. Just because "they are not good enough to take up a roster spot" now doesn't mean they won't be good enough to play for the Texans later.
 
I don't think I agree with a single point Blake was trying to make. since we're so far apart I think I'll just tip my hat and bid good day :tiphat:
 
infantrycak said:
Not really. In the 2009 preseason Foster had 23 att, for 66 yds at 2.9 ypc and 0 TDs.

2013 Wood - 35 att. for 191 yds at 5.5 ypc and 0 TDs.
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That was actually one of my points that Wood has shown more, but when I say we were lucky, I mean that no one saw enough potential there to grab him and place him on their roster.
 
DX-TEX said:
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THAT is not our system. That is a damn good RB! Wood goes to waivers he is gone. Packers, Skins or even the Broncos grab him.
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I agree. Cierre Wood is going to be special.

& that is not our system & I hope 67 (Cody White) & 62 (Alex Kupper) get shown the F out the door. I'd have left them in Dallas
 
Insideop said:
Did you say the same thing when we picked up Foster as an UFDA? We all know that they can find other young RB's that will thrive in the system, but they have to keep looking for the next Arian Foster. And, the only way to do that is to let the ones "that show promise" play it out on the field and see what they have. Just because "they are not good enough to take up a roster spot" now doesn't mean they won't be good enough to play for the Texans later.
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I don't remember either Foster or Jeremiah looking as good as Cierre Wood in the preseason. If they did, I don't think we'd have cut them.


edit: What 'cak & rey said.
 
They have to decide if he's worth the roster spot to be NEVER be activated on gameday. He will never get to carry the ball and apparently isn't too great on special teams. Will they risk it?

Carrying 3 QBs already makes it complicated.
 
dtran04 said:
They have to decide if he's worth the roster spot to be NEVER be activated on gameday. He will never get to carry the ball
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Running back is one of the most injury prone positions in the league. Tate was hurt last year, Foster hasn't taken a snap in pre-season. Personally, I would keep him over Karim, as I don't think he would clear waivers.
 
Wood has a ton of upside in this system. He thrived in it at Notre Dame and looks even better now at the professional level. I was a big fan of his coming out of school and he's a perfect fit for the offense.

This is a long-term decision. If you think he has the ability to replace Tate next year then you keep him on the roster because he's not clearing waivers. He was a draftable talent coming out this year, no idea how he went undrafted but I'm glad he did.
 
Adam Wexler ‏@awexler
Dennis Johnson can clearly run the ball & has return abilities. But you can't fumble 6 times in 4 games as UDFA rookie & make team #Texans

As expected, despite strong early camp efforts, #Texans cut RB Dennis Johnson according to @RapSheet & @AllbrightNFL.
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