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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

cbs1507 said:
They let Cullen Jenkins walk in the offseason. They probably thought the same about him as some guys here feel about Mario.
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That's certainly part of it..the other parts:

the defending champs ALWAYS get every teams' "A" game. That's why it's so common for teams who won the SB 1 year to have 1st round exits or even miss the playoffs the next year. Everyone wants a piece of the champ.

The other part that's a huge factor is your schedule. depending on what rotation you're on (NFC east, NFC west etc., etc.) and where you finished in your division (division winner, 2nd or 3rd place) you could wind up with a doozy of a schedule.

Our schedule gets much tougher next year with offensively capable teams like NE, GB & Det on the schedule. We'll also have to contend with defensive heavy teams like Balt, NY jets & Den. next year as well. Such is the perks of winning your division.

So stop getting caught up in the hype with such statements like "we were the #2 ranked defense last year without Mario, we should just let him walk, we'll be ok". Our defense was good last year, but the reality of it is our defense's improvement went hand in hand with the fact that our divisional opponents falling off. It wasn't nearly as good as our end of season ranking would indicate with terrible losses to Carolina & Indy late. If we go into the season next year with this mindstate, we're going to be in for a rude awakening.
 
DaleMurphy, I've countered your offer. You're Rick Smith, I'm Mario's agent...... it's your move.
dalemurphy said:
5 years and $55 million would be the maximum I would be okay with.

$25 million signing bonus:
salary:
2012- $3 mil
2013- $4 mil
2014- $5.5 mil
2015- $7.5 mil
2016- $10 mil
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thunderkyss said:
Sign Mario to 5 years, $58M with a $25M signing bonus
2012 - $1M
+ $2M (12 sacks) + $2M (play-offs)+ $2M (AFC Championship game)
2013 - $5M
+ $2M (12 sacks) + $2M (play-offs)+ $2M (AFC Championship game)
2014 - $7M
+ $2M (12 sacks) + $2M (play-offs)+ $2M (AFC Championship game)
2015 - $7M
+ $3M Roster Bonus + $2M (12 sacks) + $2M (play-offs)+ $2M (AFC Championship game)
2016 - $7M
+ $3M Roster Bonus + $2M (12 sacks) + $2M (play-offs)+ $2M (AFC Championship game)

So that's a total value of $78M over 5 years ($15.6M/yr) but he's got to earn it.
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You're offering a 5 year $55M contract. I've countered with a 5 year $58M contract. We're both good with a $25M bonus.

So we've got a $3M difference, plus a few bonuses that I want to throw in.
 
thunderkyss said:
DaleMurphy, I've countered your offer. You're Rick Smith, I'm Mario's agent...... it's your move.




You're offering a 5 year $55M contract. I've countered with a 5 year $58M contract. We're both good with a $25M bonus.

So we've got a $3M difference, plus a few bonuses that I want to throw in.
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A few bonuses? Do performance bonus' count against the cap? If not, I'd probably be good with that contract.
 
DocBar said:
A few bonuses? Do performance bonus' count against the cap? If not, I'd probably be good with that contract.
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The way I understand it, they do count against the cap, which is why most teams try to stay well under the cap (Not Cincy Bengals under, that's just cheap). If escalators cause your team to go over the cap, I believe they can be carried over to the following year.

Now, as Mario's agent, if you're good with the 5 year $58M with $37M guaranteed, $25M bonus, & the structure I outlined, all we need to do is negotiate the bonuses.

Let's start with the performance escalators. Is 12 sacks too low? What is your counter offer (13)? Do you believe my client doesn't deserve a bonus if he helps this team into the play-offs? Or to the AFC Championship game? Are you saying to take those out all together?

The Roster bonus for year 4 is non-negotiable. Without it, you're asking my client to take a greater pay cut than we are willing to accept. We can negotiate the date it is to be paid, allowing you to trade Mario if you do not wish to pay the bonus at that time.

The fifth year bonus we can negotiate as we believe it is just a formality. You'll either have a new contract for my client, or you'll be releasing prior to the start of the season. So what's your offer?
 
thunderkyss said:
DaleMurphy, I've countered your offer. You're Rick Smith, I'm Mario's agent...... it's your move.




You're offering a 5 year $55M contract. I've countered with a 5 year $58M contract. We're both good with a $25M bonus.

So we've got a $3M difference, plus a few bonuses that I want to throw in.
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I'm not a proponent of individual performance bonuses, particulary on defense. There's a number of reasons why that can be a problem.
 
Don't be surprised to see the Chargers go after Mario hard. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer him a contract in the mid to high 60's just out of our reach. They need and want a stud pass rusher in the worst way.

I can't see a scenerio where Mario's agent accepts any offer we make without testing the FA waters. Which is why I laugh when all the Mario "WILL" return post that use the "you don't let a young stud pass rusher go" excuse. If that was the case then why would you even let hit become a UFA?
 
mussop said:
Don't be surprised to see the Chargers go after Mario hard. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer him a contract in the mid to high 60's just out of our reach. They need and want a stud pass rusher in the worst way.

I can't see a scenerio where Mario's agent accepts any offer we make without testing the FA waters. Which is why I laugh when all the Mario "WILL" return post that use the "you don't let a young stud pass rusher go" excuse. If that was the case then why would you even let hit become a UFA?
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Which is why I think Mario will have a new deal before March 13, he'll never be a UFA.

The Texans want Mario to be a Texan in 2012 & beyond. Mario wants to be a Texan in 2012 & beyond. We just need to work out the details.
 
No way in hell would Mario consider the Bills. He's never been to the playoffs. If he goes to another team it's going to be a team that has a chance to contend.
 
thunderkyss said:
Which is why I think Mario will have a new deal before March 13, he'll never be a UFA.

The Texans want Mario to be a Texan in 2012 & beyond. Mario wants to be a Texan in 2012 & beyond. We just need to work out the details.
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You can say this till you're blue in the face (and you do) that doesn't make it true. Money has a way of making players forget loyalty. They better sign him before he gets to talk to other teams or he's most likely gone.
 
thunderkyss said:
Which is why I think Mario will have a new deal before March 13, he'll never be a UFA.

The Texans want Mario to be a Texan in 2012 & beyond. Mario wants to be a Texan in 2012 & beyond. We just need to work out the details.
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mussop said:
You can say this till you're blue in the face (and you do) that doesn't make it true. Money has a way of making players forget loyalty. They better sign him before he gets to talk to other teams or he's most likely gone.
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I believe that is TK's point. Smithiak will do all in their power to get Mario all signed up with a team & Mario-friendly, long-term contract before anyone else gets a chance to tempt him with megabucks. The trick is how to do that without throwing some insulting lowball offer on the table but keeping salary cap room to sign everyone else we need to keep.

I fear we're in the same situation with Arian Foster. Strangely enough, there aren't multiple threads about his situation. Several posts, but few threads.
 
Would you sign Manning or Mario if you needed both but just had the money for one and not the other?
 
There has been some Jerry Jones discussion around Williams up here in DFW...they need someone opposite Ware, but the Cowfries find themselves in cap hell, but half their team is up for free agency.
 
I would wait for da Raidahs to cut Seymor then sign him to a winning franchise. He's a BEAST inside at least MW's equal in terms of disruption and all. MW? Barwin ****ed him but good.
 
Texaninlild said:
There has been some Jerry Jones discussion around Williams up here in DFW...they need someone opposite Ware, but the Cowfries find themselves in cap hell, but half their team is up for free agency.
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Yep and as GM of the Cowgirls in the upcoming mock draft. Signing MW in FA would set my mock up to the point that the Cowgirls could become SB contenders.

Provided MW can stay healthy.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep and as GM of the Cowgirls in the upcoming mock draft. Signing MW in FA would set my mock up to the point that the Cowgirls could become SB contenders.

Provided MW can stay healthy.
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If they had the money to sign him, sure. Fact is, they don't. 20 mill in dead money this year is going to kill any chance of signing free agents this year. 2013 should be a good offseason for them.
 
Dutchrudder said:
If they had the money to sign him, sure. Fact is, they don't. 20 mill in dead money this year is going to kill any chance of signing free agents this year. 2013 should be a good offseason for them.
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If they let Spencer,Newman,James,Spears,Sensabaugh,Bennett,Holland,Kitna etc... walk they can make room.

Losing all of those guys wouldn't hurt the Cowgirls at all. IMHO

You know more about the cap ramifications than I do. But I've always said if a team wants a FA bad they can always find a way to make it happen.

Tell me about the Cowgirls cap and if they cut those guys will they be under the cap enough to sign MW to the kind of contract it will take to get him?
 
ObsiWan said:
I believe that is TK's point. Smithiak will do all in their power to get Mario all signed up with a team & Mario-friendly, long-term contract before anyone else gets a chance to tempt him with megabucks. The trick is how to do that without throwing some insulting lowball offer on the table but keeping salary cap room to sign everyone else we need to keep.

I fear we're in the same situation with Arian Foster. Strangely enough, there aren't multiple threads about his situation. Several posts, but few threads.
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Because Arian is a RFA so there's no chance of him going anywhere.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm not a proponent of individual performance bonuses, particulary on defense. There's a number of reasons why that can be a problem.
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If I can tie more cap space up in performance bonuses, the happier I am. At least the player is earning that pay. Negotiating how much is performance based could be a severe headache in this case.
I think TK hood winked me earlier......
 
Carr Bombed said:
No way in hell would Mario consider the Bills. He's never been to the playoffs. If he goes to another team it's going to be a team that has a chance to contend.
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steelbtexan said:
If they let Spencer,Newman,James,Spears,Sensabaugh,Bennett,Holland,Kitna etc... walk they can make room.

Losing all of those guys wouldn't hurt the Cowgirls at all. IMHO

You know more about the cap ramifications than I do. But I've always said if a team wants a FA bad they can always find a way to make it happen.

Tell me about the Cowgirls cap and if they cut those guys will they be under the cap enough to sign MW to the kind of contract it will take to get him?
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Eh, well here's what I can figure from public numbers.

LB Spencer is scheduled to make 2.2 mill this year. He has a signing bonus of 895k that will be paid this year if he's cut. Last year of his deal, could save about 1.3 mill by cutting him.

CB Newman has 6 mill in signing bonus left on his deal over the next 3 years, so that will be accelerated to this year if he gets cut. He's scheduled to make 8 mill total this year, so that would save 2 mill. He made 10 last year.

LB Bradie James is a UFA who make 5.1 mill last year.

DE Spears was re-signed last year to a 5 year 19 mill deal. He has 2.8 million in signing bonus left on his deal, and is scheduled to make 2.7 this year. Cutting him would actually add 100k to the cap hit this year...

S Sensabaugh is a UFA this year, he made 2.5 mill last year on a 1 year deal.

TE Bennett is a UFA and just finished his rookie deal. Should be cheap to re-sign if they want to.

Holland is a UFA, made 500k last year.

Kitna I don't know what the guaranteed money was on his deal. He has 1.2 mill in signing bonus left on his deal. Scheduled to make 3.7 mill this year, so cutting him would save 2.5 mill if no other guaranteed money is outstanding.
 
Allstar said:
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exactly! People think he and his agent are just going to accept our offer as long as its decent. Why would he do that? He has nothing to loose by listening to offers from other teams. NOTHING! And he could end up making MILLIONS more. Sorry Wade. :wadepalm:
 
Dutchrudder said:
Eh, well here's what I can figure from public numbers.

LB Spencer is scheduled to make 2.2 mill this year. He has a signing bonus of 895k that will be paid this year if he's cut. Last year of his deal, could save about 1.3 mill by cutting him.

CB Newman has 6 mill in signing bonus left on his deal over the next 3 years, so that will be accelerated to this year if he gets cut. He's scheduled to make 8 mill total this year, so that would save 2 mill. He made 10 last year.

LB Bradie James is a UFA who make 5.1 mill last year.

DE Spears was re-signed last year to a 5 year 19 mill deal. He has 2.8 million in signing bonus left on his deal, and is scheduled to make 2.7 this year. Cutting him would actually add 100k to the cap hit this year...

S Sensabaugh is a UFA this year, he made 2.5 mill last year on a 1 year deal.

TE Bennett is a UFA and just finished his rookie deal. Should be cheap to re-sign if they want to.

Holland is a UFA, made 500k last year.

Kitna I don't know what the guaranteed money was on his deal. He has 1.2 mill in signing bonus left on his deal. Scheduled to make 3.7 mill this year, so cutting him would save 2.5 mill if no other guaranteed money is outstanding.
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Thanks,

Man, Jerrah has that franchise screwed up.
 
mussop said:
exactly! People think he and his agent are just going to accept our offer as long as its decent. Why would he do that? He has nothing to loose by listening to offers from other teams. NOTHING! And he could end up making MILLIONS more. Sorry Wade. :wadepalm:
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Bingo.

Nobody wants to consider this point of view, though, because reality sucks.

Mario and his agent are going to set a dollar amount they want from the Texans, and if they don't get it they're going to try and get it AND SOME from another team. Only if they can't get their pre-determined amount from some other team will they then work with the Texans on a more "friendly" amount.

But to begin with, all you guys and gals should be honest and admit that Mario and his agent will seek THE best dollar value they can get for Mario. They won't come right out of the box and start their price too low. It will be a number that Bob would have to stretch to accommodate...and yet a number that some other team miiiiiggggghhhhht be willing to consider in order to pry him away from McNair. Logical bargaining situation. Plain and simple.
 
Just don't see Mario signing before he gets offers in FA. The only way Texans sign him before FA is to give him a crazy contract, one he can't pass up. I don't see the Texans doing this. IF he had stayed healthy and played great the whole year, maybe the Texans would go all-out and try to get him signed before he hit FA, but even then I think it would have been difficult to sign him before he tested the waters.

As far as Foster goes they need to sign him NOW. Don't play games with him. Give him a fair offer and I think you get him now, play games and you lose him after next year. I guess you could franchise in 2013 but I don't think that is the best way to build goodwill. You treat Arian fairly now and you have a warrior on your team, you play games and you have the Titan's RB on your team.

I still think the Texans made a mistake by not trading Mario before the season last year. We might of had a couple additional high draft choices going into this draft. As it is now I think we get the booby prize the compensatory pick.

Can't wait for FA, the draft and next year. I do think the Texans take care of Foster this year or they have a major problem next year.
 
DocBar said:
If I can tie more cap space up in performance bonuses, the happier I am. At least the player is earning that pay. Negotiating how much is performance based could be a severe headache in this case.
I think TK hood winked me earlier......
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Assuming bonuses are tied to sacks:

1. You get a player motivated to freelance at the expense of the team, for his own good.

2. What happens when the team needs to move him to DE in 3-4? He'd losing out on sack totals for sure.
 
I hate to say this but I think we have to let him walk and believe in Wade to draft his replacement.(His draft picks were very good last year). Our defense was #2 in the league. The Texans have to think about our future also. Look at the free agents we got coming up in the next couple of years. Foster will take a good chunk of money to keep him. The Texans should free up enough money by letting Mario and Jacoby go to sign a solid #2 veteran receiver to help Andre out. All the respect to what Mario brings to this team.
 
I'm hearing Tampa Bay is another possible destination because (a) they have gobs of cap-space, (b) they are a 4-3 team, and 4-3 DE is Marios "natural position" where he will surely get his best opportunity in free agency.
Marios says he wants to stay in Houston and play for the Texans. Hey, they all say they want to stay in their current city (fill in blanK) when they go into FA, just like the Texans say they have every intention of resigning him when realistically they know its the longest of long shots.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
COME ONE RAIDERS!!! TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS.

Wait, is Al's kid as crazy as he was?
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Doesn't matter, they've hired a GM... the question is is he as crazy as Al... they just cut Stanford Routte... leaving a load of dead money on the 2012 cap...

So, the jury is still out.
 
mussop said:
Because Arian is a RFA so there's no chance of him going anywhere.
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there is a good chance of him going somewhere and I am concerned about the Texans not getting his deal done and losing Foster. How would you feel if the Giants Patriots Packers came in and offered a deal we could not match? Remember poison pills? Maybe the overall numbers would not differ much but the way they structure if could mean we could not match it and lose Foster for the number 30, 31, 32 pick in the draft. This isn't losing Foster and getting a top 10 pick and that helping take away some of the pain, this is almost a second round pick and a real possibility.
 
If some team out there is willing to bust up their salary cap to sign Mario then I say go for it. The Texans should make Mario a reasonable offer that is beneficial for both parties and if Mario rejects it then so be it. No one player should hold a team hostage with unreasonable contractual demands and Texans have shown they can be successful team without him. If we bring back Mario that's great if we don't I'm sure we'll find good replacements for him either by the draft, free agency or with the guys we have currently on the roster.
 
DocBar said:
I would wait for da Raidahs to cut Seymor then sign him to a winning franchise. He's a BEAST inside at least MW's equal in terms of disruption and all. MW? Barwin ****ed him but good.
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My eyes are blurry from a cold but I believe ESPN trailer said Oakland fully guarantteed Seymour's $15 million for this next year.

Edit as I just read CT's post.
 
gafftop said:
Just don't see Mario signing before he gets offers in FA. The only way Texans sign him before FA is to give him a crazy contract, one he can't pass up. I don't see the Texans doing this. IF he had stayed healthy and played great the whole year, maybe the Texans would go all-out and try to get him signed before he hit FA, but even then I think it would have been difficult to sign him before he tested the waters.

As far as Foster goes they need to sign him NOW. Don't play games with him. Give him a fair offer and I think you get him now, play games and you lose him after next year. I guess you could franchise in 2013 but I don't think that is the best way to build goodwill. You treat Arian fairly now and you have a warrior on your team, you play games and you have the Titan's RB on your team.

I still think the Texans made a mistake by not trading Mario before the season last year. We might of had a couple additional high draft choices going into this draft. As it is now I think we get the booby prize the compensatory pick.

Can't wait for FA, the draft and next year. I do think the Texans take care of Foster this year or they have a major problem next year.
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Does Foster want to see how good Tate is? Arian seemed to want back on the field quickly when he went out injured.
 
Carr Bombed said:
No way in hell would Mario consider the Bills. He's never been to the playoffs. If he goes to another team it's going to be a team that has a chance to contend.
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Yeah....but if the moneys right....he will take it....which I think he does....
He is going to be asking for big bucks.....which the Texans dont have right now.
If he is smart he will stay here and realize what a great situation this team is in now and the near future. But when you see them dollar signs from potential suitors....its funny how money can change a persons mind.

I just dont see him taking a pay cut when a lot of teams like Cincinnati who are so far under the cap can offer him tons of cash.
 
redwhiteblue said:
there is a good chance of him going somewhere and I am concerned about the Texans not getting his deal done and losing Foster. How would you feel if the Giants Patriots Packers came in and offered a deal we could not match? Remember poison pills? Maybe the overall numbers would not differ much but the way they structure if could mean we could not match it and lose Foster for the number 30, 31, 32 pick in the draft. This isn't losing Foster and getting a top 10 pick and that helping take away some of the pain, this is almost a second round pick and a real possibility.
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Well, if the Texans have an equal level of concern about an unmatchable offer (which would pretty much mean a ridiculously high year one base salary - or other 2012 cap hit - since poison pills were dealt with in the recent CBA), then they could always use the franchise tag on him as opposed to merely restricting him. This could guarantee Arian a salary that is likely just short of $8 Million, and give the Texans the exclusive right to negotiate a long term deal.

I don't know exactly how it will end up happening, but I'd be extremely surprised to see Arian in any other uniform over the next two or three seasons.
 
If Mario goes to another team then best of luck to him. I really hope he doesn't because you can't make any argument that the team is better without him than with him, only that the teams cap situation might be a little easier.

Here's hoping Mario is true to his word that he wants to stay here and that the Texans cap situation isn't that bad that they can't make a reasonable offer for him.
 
gafftop said:
Just don't see Mario signing before he gets offers in FA. The only way Texans sign him before FA is to give him a crazy contract, one he can't pass up. I don't see the Texans doing this. IF he had stayed healthy and played great the whole year, maybe the Texans would go all-out and try to get him signed before he hit FA, but even then I think it would have been difficult to sign him before he tested the waters.
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But why, this is not the way business is done in the NFL The Texans will offer Mario a contract. If there appears no chance of signing him before the new league year, the Texans will contemplate using the franchise tag. The only way Mario is "allowed" to test free agency, is if the Texans allow him.

Yes, the cost alone is prohibitive but the fact remains that is a decision the Texans must make before Mario becomes an UFA.
 
TEXANJAK said:
I hate to say this but I think we have to let him walk and believe in Wade to draft his replacement.(His draft picks were very good last year). Our defense was #2 in the league. The Texans have to think about our future also. Look at the free agents we got coming up in the next couple of years. Foster will take a good chunk of money to keep him. The Texans should free up enough money by letting Mario and Jacoby go to sign a solid #2 veteran receiver to help Andre out. All the respect to what Mario brings to this team.
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The 2013 cap will increase substantially, we can structure both Mario & Foster to take that into account. We don't need to be overly concerned beyond that.
 
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