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Penn State Child Molestation Case

Institutionalized debauchery is what this is about. Beyond Penn State, the entire community appears to be willing to actively turn a blind eye to one of the most disgusting acts imaginable in order to serve some delusional hero myth.

I am finding the entire lot of them to be pathetic.
 
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/mike-mcqueary-email-stopped-rape/#.TsMFcT2VpkY

Mike MCQueary Email
I DID Stop The Rape

Mike McQueary wrote an email in the last week, griping that he's "getting hammered" unfairly because he claims he stopped Jerry Sandusky from continuing to anally rape a 10-year-old before leaving the locker room in 2002.

The email -- obtained by the Associated Press, reads as follows:

"You are the first person I have told this ... and I don't know you extremely well ... and I have been told bye (sic) officials to not say anything ...."

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with the official at the university in charge of police ... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds...trust me."

"Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

"This is off record ... again ... I have not and will not say anything to anyone else."

It's unclear who received the email, but it sounds like it was sent to a reporter.
 
srrono said:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/mike-mcqueary-email-stopped-rape/#.TsMFcT2VpkY

Mike MCQueary Email
I DID Stop The Rape

Mike McQueary wrote an email in the last week, griping that he's "getting hammered" unfairly because he claims he stopped Jerry Sandusky from continuing to anally rape a 10-year-old before leaving the locker room in 2002.

The email -- obtained by the Associated Press, reads as follows:

"You are the first person I have told this ... and I don't know you extremely well ... and I have been told bye (sic) officials to not say anything ...."

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with the official at the university in charge of police ... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds...trust me."

"Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

"This is off record ... again ... I have not and will not say anything to anyone else."

It's unclear who received the email, but it sounds like it was sent to a reporter.
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now that its outside Penn State's control this thing will blow wide open soon. Everyone will be cutting deals, covering their behinds, and singing like jaybirds. I just hope that they don't settle with anyone for money in exchange for gag orders. I want this thing to play out in a public forum.
 
Turns out, the POLICE knew too.

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A Penn State assistant football coach, who has been criticized for not doing more in an alleged rape of a boy by former coach Jerry Sandusky, said in an e-mail that he helped stop the assault and talked with police about it, The Morning Call newspaper reported.

"I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," assistant coach Mike McQueary wrote in the November 8 e-mail to a former classmate obtained by the Allentown, Pennsylvania, newspaper.

"No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds," McQueary said. "Trust me."

McQueary also wrote that he "did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" following the alleged incident involving Sandusky.

The information is the first to indicate he had discussions with police.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories
 
Talk about dirty...check this out. A free pass to do whatever they want.
While every other commonwealth agency is subject to Pennsylvania's open records law, Penn State is exempt, making it difficult to get information about who knew what and when regarding the sex abuse claims.
Penn State, along with three other schools that receive state funds, don't fall under Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law, according to Terry Mutchler, the executive director of the state's Office of Open Records.
"If this were an investigation involving another university ... that did have a scandal at its doorstep, they were subject to the Right to Know Law," Mutchler told CNN.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories
 
srrono said:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/mike-mcqueary-email-stopped-rape/#.TsMFcT2VpkY

Mike MCQueary Email
I DID Stop The Rape

Mike McQueary wrote an email in the last week, griping that he's "getting hammered" unfairly because he claims he stopped Jerry Sandusky from continuing to anally rape a 10-year-old before leaving the locker room in 2002.

The email -- obtained by the Associated Press, reads as follows:

"You are the first person I have told this ... and I don't know you extremely well ... and I have been told bye (sic) officials to not say anything ...."

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with the official at the university in charge of police ... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds...trust me."

"Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

"This is off record ... again ... I have not and will not say anything to anyone else."

It's unclear who received the email, but it sounds like it was sent to a reporter.
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So he observed the rape stopping then left the kid alone with Sandusky? Talked to campus police? In other words, rent-a-cops. McQueary only has himself to blame for his shitty "decisions."

Burn him.
 
NitroGSXR said:
So he observed the rape stopping then left the kid alone with Sandusky? Talked to campus police? In other words, rent-a-cops. McQueary only has himself to blame for his shitty "decisions."

Burn him.
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In most large Schools the Campus Police are real Policemen, not security guards. I think you only find rent a cops in smaller schools. Hell, La Porte High School has real policemen on campus with a station.
 
Double Barrel said:
Institutionalized debauchery is what this is about. Beyond Penn State, the entire community appears to be willing to actively turn a blind eye to one of the most disgusting acts imaginable in order to serve some delusional hero myth.

I am finding the entire lot of them to be pathetic.
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But this is America and it should serve as no surprise. I hate to keep bringing up guys like Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson, but Americans have been doing this for the last 20 years if someone can sing a great tune, knock a ton of guys out, or be exciting on the football field. How many of Vick's teammates do you think knew that he had a dog fighting ranch before he was ever caught?? I'd be willing to bet that quite a few of them probably visited the place a time or two. Hell, we've got half of Hollywood begging and spewing out the initiative to bring back Roman Pulunsky after he bailed from his crimes. They want him back. Hell, with Michael Jackson they just made a scapegoat out of that Doctor and made a murderer out of him knowing damn well Jackson has been on a suicide lifestyle for the last 10 years, but since it was for sweet little Michael someone had to be the scapegoat and get tarnished for it.

This Penn State thing really shouldn't be much of a surprise that folks turned a blind eye. They've been doing it for years and that's just the state of how Americans in this country operate. They believe in popularity and vanity can go along way to where people will ignore atrocities. Hero worship is way overblown.
 
— Paterno, according to The New York Times, "transferred full ownership of his house to his wife, Sue, for $1 in July." At that time, the grand jury's investigation had been underway for more than a year. Paterno's lawyer told the Times that the transfer was part of the Paternos' estate planning and unrelated to the scandal that would explode four months later. One lawyer who examined the transaction for the Times said, however, that it could have been intended to protect Paterno financially in the event of a civil suit.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...tness-says-he-did-talk-with-university-police
 
Vinny said:
In most large Schools the Campus Police are real Policemen, not security guards. I think you only find rent a cops in smaller schools. Hell, La Porte High School has real policemen on campus with a station.
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True to an extent. They are very real policemen but with limited powers. They MUST turn it over to the city PD because campuses do not have prosecutors or judges, i.e. a legal system.
 
NitroGSXR said:
True to an extent. They are very real policemen but with limited powers. They MUST turn it over to the city PD because campuses do not have prosecutors or judges, i.e. a legal system.
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try telling that to the Police at La Porte High School. The Campus Police at major Universities are real Policemen. You go to jail when they arrest you. They answer to the Public and use the legal system just like normal Police officers.

I linked a story a few posts back about how Penn State is exempt from the Public Records law so if the Campus Police Department falls under that blanket they may as well be Rent-a-Cops...so I get your point.

The more I see how the PA laws are written to report things like child abuse, and how Penn State isn't legally bound to open their records, it just amazes me to think that somebody let this happen. It's like something out of the Soviet Union...its just arrogantly dirty.
 
Would anyone but JoePa get this kind of support from crazy fans?

I doubt Mack Brown, Les Miles, or Saban would have this kind of support from their fanbase and university.

The whole cult of personality around this thing gets more sickening by the moment.
 
Vinny said:
try telling that to the Police at La Porte High School. The Campus Police at major Universities are real Policemen. You go to jail when they arrest you. They answer to the Public and use the legal system just like normal Police officers.

I linked a story a few posts back about how Penn State is exempt from the Public Records law so if the Campus Police Department falls under that blanket they may as well be Rent-a-Cops...so I get your point.

The more I see how the PA laws are written to report things like child abuse, and how Penn State isn't legally bound to open their records, it just amazes me to think that somebody let this happen. It's like something out of the Soviet Union...its just arrogantly dirty.
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The court of La Ports high school sentences you to 30 to life without the possibility of parole.

Absurd, isn't it? Sure they can arrest you just the same. They ARE an authority figure. Its why I said to an extent. I certainly will not argue with campus police or LaPorteISD cops. That's not what I am referring to. Fyi, Rent-a-cops can shoot and arrest you just the same. When a murder or a rape occurs on campus, the real PD are called. Also another significant difference in campus police because they not only answer to the public but most of all... they answer to the University. I'm betting that's why Sandusy was not arrested that day or any of the others. They're rent-a-cops.

I think I understand why their laws are so screwed up... they have a very "Amish" attitude out there in terms of keeping it in-house.
 
NitroGSXR said:
The court of La Ports high school sentences you to 30 to life without the possibility of parole.

Absurd, isn't it? Sure they can arrest you just the same. They ARE an authority figure. Its why I said to an extent. I certainly will not argue with campus police or LaPorteISD cops. That's not what I am referring to. Fyi, Rent-a-cops can shoot and arrest you just the same. When a murder or a rape occurs on campus, the real PD are called. Also another significant difference in campus police because they not only answer to the public but most of all... they answer to the University. I'm betting that's why Sandusy was not arrested that day or any of the others. They're rent-a-cops.

I think I understand why their laws are so screwed up... they have a very "Amish" attitude out there in terms of keeping it in-house.
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No, those Policemen are real Policemen. They take you to jail. A real jail. They aren't security guards. They are Policemen. The City of LaPorte has a substation there. It's the friggin' Police.
 
Vinny said:
No, those Policemen are real Policemen. They take you to jail. A real jail. They aren't security guards. They are Policemen. The City of LaPorte has a substation there. It's the friggin' Police.
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Well... I think we're getting our wires crossed somewhere. Let me try to clarify a little. The city of LaPorte PD or UH-PD (employed by the DPS) and campus police such as HISD or CISD are worlds apart. When I say campus police, I'm referring to police employed by the University or school districts.
 
Seriously, this whole college should be burnt to the ground if all these reports are true...


A new victim is claiming another member of the Penn State faculty sexually abused him years ago, and he said when he brought his abuse complaints to university officials, he was turned away.

Paul McLaughlin, who is now in his mid-40s, told ABC News that now-retired Penn State professor John "Jack" Neisworth, who is a nationally acclaimed voice on child development, sexually abused him in the late 1970s to early '80s when he was between the ages of 11 and 15.

McLaughlin said, after repressing the memories of his alleged abuse, that he decided to confront Neisworth over the phone in 2001 as part of his therapy. He tape-recorded the conversation, in which he claims that the professor admitted to performing oral sex on him.

"I was in the process of trying to get him to open up about some of the sexual acts and what not, and he actually interrupted me and says, 'Do you remember driving up on the hill?'" McLaughin said. "I said, 'Wasn't that the first time you went down on me?' He said, 'I don't know if it was the first time but it was certainly fierce,' was his words."

Over the course of a few months from the end of 2001 into early 2002, McLaughlin said he sent his taped conversation with Neisworth to university officials, but each time he was "rejected."
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-penn-state-officials-rejected-claims-university-professor/story?id=14960575#.TsQkYHKoTf1
 
The rabbit hole goes even deeper... Is the governor of Pennsylvania also in on this cover up?

After taking office in January of this year, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett approved a $3 million grant for The Second Mile, a children’s charity founded by Jerry Sandusky in 1977 and was, based on the grand jury’s presentment, utilized by Sandusky as a recruiting tool for multiple victims.

Corbett was the state’s attorney general when his office began the investigation into allegations that Sandusky had sexually abused young boys, so he was well aware of both Second Mile and Sandusky’s role in that organization. It should be noted that, after becoming aware of the investigation the year it started, Sandusky was barred by the charity from having contact with children and, in 2010, retired from the charity.

Corbett has been highly critical of several individuals involved in the scandal at Penn State, including Mike McQueary, for their handling of the allegations, as well as speaking in general terms that “we must keep in mind that when it comes to the safety of children, there can be no margin of error, no hesitation to act.” However, he has come under increasing scrutiny himself for the pace of his former office’s investigation into Sandusky.

Now, he will likely come under additional scrutiny for the grant, which was originally approved by Corbett’s predecessor but was not completed by the time Ed Rendell left office. Following a review by Corbett’s office, the $3 million grant was approved in July.
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http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/16/gov-corbett-approved-3-million-grant-to-second-mile/
 
Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl10|sec1_lnk3|113449
:tiphat:
 
axman40 said:
Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl10|sec1_lnk3|113449
:tiphat:
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I guess Franco isn't as important as he thought .
 
what just amazes me is that he was first caught more than ten years ago, so he's been free. The Grand Jury Findings were nearly a year ago so the Institution has read this and Sandusky was free roaming around on their campus. It wasn't until they finally brought charges did Penn State fire the people who covered this up, nearly a year after they knew about the Grand Jury findings. Of course the Judge in the case is an ex-donor to Sandusky's pedo club so Sandusky didn't post a dime in bail money and he is free today, just like he was ten years ago. That's some hard core Soviet-style Comrade justice working there.
 
Money money money...


But prosecutors were able to compel their testimony with grand jury subpoenas, and one boy led to another.

Meanwhile, investigators served numerous subpoenas on the Second Mile, according to people with knowledge of the inquiry. Not only did they want the names of children who had been through the program, they also demanded all of Sandusky’s travel and expense records.

Much of the older paperwork was stored at an off-site records facility. The travel and expense records, for instance, had been sent over several years earlier. But select members of the charity’s board of directors were alarmed to learn recently that when the records facility went to retrieve them, some of those records — from about 2000 to 2003 — were missing.

The attorney general’s office was notified of the missing files, people with knowledge of the case said. Subsequently, the foundation located apparently misfiled records from one of the years, but the rest seem to have disappeared.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=4&pagewanted=3
 
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axman40 said:
Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl10|sec1_lnk3|113449
:tiphat:
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Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.


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NitroGSXR said:
Well... I think we're getting our wires crossed somewhere. Let me try to clarify a little. The city of LaPorte PD or UH-PD (employed by the DPS) and campus police such as HISD or CISD are worlds apart. When I say campus police, I'm referring to police employed by the University or school districts.
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They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap (assuming that whatever crime we're talking about happened on a campus located inside the city of Houston.
 
Hervoyel said:
They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap.
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Yeah, this is right, at least for several cases. Here at A&M, the campus police is a full-fledged police force, not just a security force (although they have both fully state-certified police officers and security officers on staff). I remember one point they made is that they have authority to operate in any county in the state in which the A&M system owns property, which turns out to be every county.

I know some schools do have security (not police) forces, though, which might be where some of this confusion is coming from.
 
Hervoyel said:
They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap (assuming that whatever crime we're talking about happened on a campus located inside the city of Houston.
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Thanks for your post. I disagree when comparing campus police to a municipal police department. As per the McCready and the local police denying that he made a report story right now, I have learned that Penn State's force is, as I suspected, employed by Penn State directly so they are merely puppets with all the powers that you have mentioned above (as well as I have). If you are employed by the campus then you are a rent-a-cop.

In the case of UH, they have more authority than HPD because they are run and employed by the DPS. They are actually DPS officers. I have received my fair share of scolding because our fraternity has had plenty of run-ins with the UH police.
 
Requirements to become a law enforcement officer on a college campus in Pa.

1000 hours training. Some college attendence.
Local police receive 1100 hours. No college.

Training in first aid/CPR. defensive driving ,criminal investgation, defense tactics, firearms, criminal law, hassassment and sensitivty, and crime scene training.

Officers working at state supported school such as Penn State or the 13 smaller state supported schools are paid by the State of Pa., making them state employees.

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.
 
jgl35 said:
Requirements to become a law enforcement officer on a college campus in Pa.

1000 hours training. Some college attendence.
Local police receive 1100 hours. No college.

Training in first aid/CPR. defensive driving ,criminal investgation, defense tactics, firearms, criminal law, hassassment and sensitivty, and crime scene training.

Officers working at state supported school such as Penn State or the 13 smaller state supported schools are paid by the State of Pa., making them state employees.

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.
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I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.
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He is a local...he lives there. I can't imagine sending my Daughter to a University with 30K plus kids and only having "security guards" without Police powers.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Thanks for your post. I disagree when comparing campus police to a municipal police department. As per the McCready and the local police denying that he made a report story right now, I have learned that Penn State's force is, as I suspected, employed by Penn State directly so they are merely puppets with all the powers that you have mentioned above (as well as I have). If you are employed by the campus then you are a rent-a-cop.

In the case of UH, they have more authority than HPD because they are run and employed by the DPS. They are actually DPS officers. I have received my fair share of scolding because our fraternity has had plenty of run-ins with the UH police.
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I think this statement is the root of all the confusion in this discussion. Rent-A-Cops, in most people's minds, are security guards - mall cops - even armed guards. Police officers here in Houston are hired by many private businesses to perform various duties in their off duty hours. They are still 100% real cops (one major problem I have with them) and still carry the weight of authority that goes along with that. That's not a Rent-A-Cop, even though that cop has effectively been "rented" by the private business for traffic control, security, etc. They're still 100% real cop and even though they're off duty, still have all the authority of a cop (which means we effectively have no civilian police force in this country anymore).

So if a real, honest to goodness police officer is employed by Ped State, and if they have the same setup as TX, those cops are full-on cops. However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.
 
Vinny said:
He is a local...he lives there. I can't imagine sending my Daughter to a University with 30K plus kids and only having "security guards" without Police powers.
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I did not miss that. I noticed he was from PA. My request is not to doubt him but merely to read and educate myself. Asking for a link seems to be a touchy subject these days...

As for the "security guards" without police powers comment... the confusion continues because I never said it like that neither is it what I meant. I would like to take back the "rent-a-cop" statement and change it to something a bit less broad... "police officers who answer to a non-legal entity behind closed doors". Maybe that could clarify it a little better?

As for sending your kid to a college with a limited force... millions of others do because you'd be fooling yourself if you don't think the campus police takes orders from the President of Penn State. The ryhthmic-slapping 10yr old victim would probably agree with me.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.
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My link to this is walking three blocks to the police station at West Chester U., talking to people there about requirements it takes to be a campus police officer, being shown a manual on training and duties.
Being a state funded college, West Chester's requirements are the same as Penn State, only diference is size.
As far as pay, the word state should answer that question. Everyone who works at a state supported college is a state worker and is paid by the state of Pa.

Now for some history.
Up until the '60's the Pa. State Police were responsible for police coverage at state funded schools. During the Veit Nam protests, Pa. formed on campus police forces due to responce time and taking away from other duties of the State Police.
 
eriadoc said:
However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.
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Look at how eye witnessess only have to report to someone corporate instead of the law, how the "law" answered directly to the University President Graham Spanier. Look at how Sandusky didn't pay a nickel of bail or bond money and is out free and probably making lots of calls intimidating his witnesses. Hell, that arrogant institution "fired" Graham Spanier as University President, but you know what? He's still has a job on campus as a Professor. The entire Institution is a friggin' conflict of interest and I stopped getting shocked at their Soviet Union style of bureaucratic leadership. I kind of see the Institution as a criminal enterprise at this point.

Even though he was fired from the presidency of Penn State on Wednesday, Graham Spanier will still be presence on campus.

At a press conference on Friday, interim Penn State president Rodney Erikson announced that Spanier will still be employed as a professor in the university's Health and Human Development department. Spanier is currently a tenured member of the faculty.

Spanier was fired from his post as university president after a grand jury report alleged that in 2002, Spanier was alerted to the fact that Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coach of the Nittany Lions was seen by an eye-witness sodomizing a child in the showers, but did nothing but bar Sandusky from campus-- a rule that was eventually disregarded. Spanier maintains he only found out about the charges last month.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/graham-spanier-ousted_n_1084415.html
 
eriadoc said:
I think this statement is the root of all the confusion in this discussion. Rent-A-Cops, in most people's minds, are security guards - mall cops - even armed guards. Police officers here in Houston are hired by many private businesses to perform various duties in their off duty hours. They are still 100% real cops (one major problem I have with them) and still carry the weight of authority that goes along with that. That's not a Rent-A-Cop, even though that cop has effectively been "rented" by the private business for traffic control, security, etc. They're still 100% real cop and even though they're off duty, still have all the authority of a cop (which means we effectively have no civilian police force in this country anymore).

So if a real, honest to goodness police officer is employed by Ped State, and if they have the same setup as TX, those cops are full-on cops. However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.
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It took me 20+ minutes to write the post above. This was a hard one for me to translate into written words.

Conflict of interest. D'oh! I made it harder than it should have been. Thank you for your post. It's exactly what I was trying to convey.
 
keyser said:
Yeah, this is right, at least for several cases. Here at A&M, the campus police is a full-fledged police force, not just a security force (although they have both fully state-certified police officers and security officers on staff). I remember one point they made is that they have authority to operate in any county in the state in which the A&M system owns property, which turns out to be every county.

I know some schools do have security (not police) forces, though, which might be where some of this confusion is coming from.
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Actually as Texas peace officers they have jurisdiction anywhere in the state. A&M is where they work, Texas is where their authority comes from. If they're driving through Austin and see a crime they can deal with it. At that point they could handle it and get assistance from local law enforcment (which would be unusual but totally legal) and take that person to the county jail there. More likely though they would turn the matter over to Austin PD because it's their "turf" and they already have all the apparatus in place to do the job. Why overcomplicate it. Aggie PD guy would in that case simply return to be a witness if necessary.
 
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno said in a statement provided to The Associated Press by a family representative on Friday that the 84-year-old Joe Paterno is undergoing treatment and that “his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.”

“As everyone can appreciate, this is a deeply personal matter for my parents, and we simply ask that his privacy be respected as he proceeds with treatment,” Scott Paterno said in a brief statement.

Scott Paterno said the diagnosis was made during a follow-up visit last weekend for a bronchial illness.

Earlier Friday, The Citizens Voice of Wilkes-Barre reported that Paterno had been seen Wednesday visiting the Mount Nittany Medical Center and was treated for an undisclosed ailment and released.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-paterno
 
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – Penn State University received almost $250,000 for a series of sleepover camps in 2008 and 2009 run by the charity group founded by Jerry Sandusky - years after ex-athletic director Tim Curley imposed an “unenforceable” ban on the accused child molester from entering the school’s sports facilities and main campus.

Financial records obtained by FoxNews.com show $124,587 was given to Penn State by The Second Mile in 2009. The year before, in 2008, the university received $119,592 from The Second Mile. The money is listed under “food and lodging” in charity records, and officials said the payments were made on a series of week-long sleepover camps.

Penn State apparently took money for the camps months after the mother of a high school freshman contacted authorities in the spring of 2008 saying her son had been abused by Sandusky. That allegation kick-started the grand jury investigation that earlier this month indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of child sex abuse charges.
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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/1...facilities-as-recently-as-2009/#ixzz1eBp7f5rN
 
Hervoyel said:
Actually as Texas peace officers they have jurisdiction anywhere in the state. A&M is where they work, Texas is where their authority comes from. If they're driving through Austin and see a crime they can deal with it. At that point they could handle it and get assistance from local law enforcment (which would be unusual but totally legal) and take that person to the county jail there. More likely though they would turn the matter over to Austin PD because it's their "turf" and they already have all the apparatus in place to do the job. Why overcomplicate it. Aggie PD guy would in that case simply return to be a witness if necessary.
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Hmmm. I didn't know there was a distinction. Most of what I've seen says that police have jurisdiction in the county in which they're employed (even if employed by a city). So, a College Station police officer could not arrest (except as a citizen's arrest) in Austin, for instance. Whereas an A&M police officer would have jursidiction in most if not all of the state.
 
After reading Vinny's last link, I think the 'death penalty' is in order for that entire university. Burn that place to the ground as far as I'm concerned. Their systematic cover-up of perpetual heinous acts reveals a fundamental "rotten to the core" atmosphere about the entire institution.

It's no wonder Paterno seemingly thought that he was insulated and protected when so many people in power were willing to turn a blind eye to the raping of children. He's merely a symptom - a by-product - of a diseased system that should just be eradicated.
 
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