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Kareem Jackson - If you read this forum

Mixgosu

Mixgosu

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Just wanted to say, we love ya man! regardless of the bumpy first season you had.

I blame the defense woes on the coaches; you were given orders and you charged the hill!

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Kareem Jackson was a rookie that had way to high of expectations for him in his first season from the fans and was asked for way to difficult of a responsibility by his coaches. His problems and the defense's problems were strictly on the HC of this team and the GM that has done nothing to improve this defense over the years who trotted a rookie out there and expected him to cover guys well with a terrible pass rush.

Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.
 
Mixgosu said:
Just wanted to say, we love ya man! regardless of the bumpy first season you had.

I blame the defense woes on the coaches; you were given orders and you charged the hill!

:clap::clap::clap:
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and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.
 
Texecutioner said:
Kareem Jackson was a rookie that had way to high of expectations for him in his first season from the fans and was asked for way to difficult of a responsibility by his coaches. His problems and the defense's problems were strictly on the HC of this team and the GM that has done nothing to improve this defense over the years who trotted a rookie out there and expected him to cover guys well with a terrible pass rush.

Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.
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exactly, i wonder how he feels these days....
 
EllisUnit said:
and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.
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I didn't know we drafted Allen as a rookie, mid season
 
Mixgosu said:
Just wanted to say, we love ya man! regardless of the bumpy first season you had.

I blame the defense woes on the coaches; you were given orders and you charged the hill!

:clap::clap::clap:
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u can either play man our u cant, u can either play zone our u cant. jason allen had 3 ints this season and everyone of them he had the WR blanketed.
 
Texecutioner said:
Kareem Jackson was a rookie that had way to high of expectations for him in his first season from the fans and was asked for way to difficult of a responsibility by his coaches. His problems and the defense's problems were strictly on the HC of this team and the GM that has done nothing to improve this defense over the years who trotted a rookie out there and expected him to cover guys well with a terrible pass rush.

Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.
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Did someone from within the orginization tell you who made the decision to go with the young secondary ? Or did they tell you who made the decision to let D-Rob walk or who made the decision not to find a veteran presence via FA ? Unless you have an inside line into the inner workings of the orginization , you really cant do anything other than speculate as to who's to blame.

Maybe the decision to keep Kubiak points to those financial decisions being made by Bob McNair rather than someone else ....

Kareem Jackson spent as much time falling down as he did covering recievers .... I guess that's Kibiak and Smith's fault too ?

:chickendance:
 
We dont know who put Jackson in that position or rather who wanted to go all young. However, McNair laid the blame on the D coaches(whom were all fired except Kollar, though Kollar isnt secondary). Not that I'm buying what McNair said but..
 
EllisUnit said:
and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.
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I think Jackson is a nickel defensive back.

He's that underneath "free safety" who is up on the line and plays all the shallow stuff (curls, slants, WR bubble screens, etc.) and helps with run support (he's a good tackler most of the time).

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Wade Phillips now. Does he try to fit a square peg into a round hole? Or does he use the guy to his strengths?
 
Didn't Gibbs' system call for backpedaling?

If so, that would explain why the guy fell down so much.
 
Mr. White said:
Didn't Gibbs' system call for backpedaling?

If so, that would explain why the guy fell down so much.
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so why didnt anyone else ???? and i think all cbs back pedal to an extent, i played CB. and its the only way to see what ur WR is doing not to mention its the easiest way to change direction, if u turn and run downfield and the WR cuts inside u are screwed, and wont be able pick him back up quickly.
 
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PS: Kareem Jackson just fell down while you were reading this.
 
I just checked an old post barrett put up. Gibbs guys shuffle instead of backpedal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/3078/for-texans-cbs-out-with-backpedal-in-with-shuffle

New defensive backs coach David Gibbs has altered the style of his group. Watch them shuffle three times instead of employing a backpedal.

“We don’t backpedal here at all,” said Quin, a rookie in line to work as the nickelback. “You shuffle, shuffle, run. We didn’t do that in college, it was three steps backpedal, then break. This technique we’re using now I think is a lot easier, I think it gives you a better opportunity to make plays. You’ve got your hips open, you can run or break.

“Champ Bailey uses it a lot and Coach Gibbs coached Champ in Denver. That’s where the technique came from, and Champ let it be known that it can be played and it’s skyrocketed from there. It’s more natural. It’s pretty simple. If you do everything right it can be the best technique. It’s like a backpedal except you’re already open. You’re really doing the same thing but you’re ready to run. You slow your shuffle down, you can break either way.”
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Whatever the case may be, I could see how this technique could cause a CB to fall down, especially if he isn't familiar with the technique.

If someone can prove that Alabama CB's shuffle instead of backpedal, then I'm done making KJ excuses.
 
Champ Bailey is probably the same guy who quickscopes all game and gets a 10 KDR on the regular while everyone else gets negative KDR and break even every ten games.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Please!!!!

Whoa is me?? How about not "falling down"?

And to quote myself, I believe he will be fine in the secondary.... someday.
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You put it on a rookie for how bad he played when this secondary has been atrocious for the last 5 years under Kubiak even when he had veterans? The secondary was trash way before Karreem Jackson ever got here. It's not his fault that he was a young rookie with no experience and was thrown out to the wolves immediately under a secondary that has struggled for years with an awful pass rush. That's stupid coaching and that's poor management for putting their players in bad positions where they weren't going to succeed and when they weren't ready. Maybe had this team actually gone after quality vets every off season like other winning teams do, we wouldn't have expected Kareem to fill a void like that. Sure, he slipped and fell plenty of times and had bad moments, but if you expected this kid not to struggle then then that was foolish considering what he had surrounding him from the start and who he was being coached by.
 
There's no doubt in my mind that Kareem Jackson was poorly coached, but I still don't think he's going to work out at corner.

He looks slow and I'm not talking about "slow to react, because you don't know what you're doing" slow. It looks like he lacks closing speed. I don't like to label someone a bust after their first year, but he looks just like our late round corners.
 
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EllisUnit said:
and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.
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This is a good play by the Texans that would be fun to decipher in the off-season. Since it's during week 17, I might just try this after the Super Bowl rather than wait until the end.

You said you have the game tape, go back and watch it again.
If there's a Texan player who might not play it correctly, it would be Cushing, unless the coaches specifically told him to break from his landmark only on the ball. However, since the other players stretched their zone (and Cushing didn't) I tend to think that he did not carry out his assignment well.

Edward should have never thrown that pass.
If he insists on it, then the pass should have been thrown to the outside, very close to the sideline.
His best bet was the underneath receiver who ran a square out route; or perhaps the RB out of the backfield.

When the ball was thrown, Nolan was closer to the destination point than the receiver (about 10-12 yds vs. 14-16 yds). An INT was a sure thing to come.

Once in a while, the coaches put one of our players (Nolan in this case) in position to make a play.
If they would have done it more often earlier, they wouldn't have been fired.
 
I hope that Phillips sees that this was an awful pick by Smith and does whatever it takes to replace him with a quality CB. Just because he was drafted in the first it does not mean we have to play him any longer. We need football players, and Jackson is a long way from that.
 
EllisUnit said:
perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD.
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How do you know that the coverage on that play wasn't designed for Nolan
to have cover over top while Kareems responsibility was limited to underneath and across the middle ?
 
....and Kareem, please work on speed drills this offseason. They exist.
Get yourself to a personal trainer, work on speed and jumping.

thank you.
 
76Texan said:
This is a good play by the Texans that would be fun to decipher in the off-season. Since it's during week 17, I might just try this after the Super Bowl rather than wait until the end.

You said you have the game tape, go back and watch it again.
If there's a Texan player who might not play it correctly, it would be Cushing, unless the coaches specifically told him to break from his landmark only on the ball. However, since the other players stretched their zone (and Cushing didn't) I tend to think that he did not carry out his assignment well.

Edward should have never thrown that pass.
If he insists on it, then the pass should have been thrown to the outside, very close to the sideline.
His best bet was the underneath receiver who ran a square out route; or perhaps the RB out of the backfield.

When the ball was thrown, Nolan was closer to the destination point than the receiver (about 10-12 yds vs. 14-16 yds). An INT was a sure thing to come.

Once in a while, the coaches put one of our players (Nolan in this case) in position to make a play.
If they would have done it more often earlier, they wouldn't have been fired.
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it dont matter if the ball should of been throw or not, the fact is that Jackson let his man get 10-15 steps ahead of him, cushing has nothing to do with Jacksons coverage skills. Sounds to me ur trying to tred water with this explanation.
 
IDEXAN said:
How do you know that the coverage on that play wasn't designed for Nolan
to have cover over top while Kareems responsibility was limited to underneath and across the middle ?
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first off if it wasnt man, then jackson wouldnt of been running for his life to catch back up to the WR, He had man coverage, with help over the top. Nolan was in zone coverage. See if it had been wilson out there Jackson would of given up a big TD, cause he was beat.
 
Corrosion said:
Did someone from within the orginization tell you who made the decision to go with the young secondary ? Or did they tell you who made the decision to let D-Rob walk or who made the decision not to find a veteran presence via FA ? Unless you have an inside line into the inner workings of the orginization , you really cant do anything other than speculate as to who's to blame.

Maybe the decision to keep Kubiak points to those financial decisions being made by Bob McNair rather than someone else ....

Kareem Jackson spent as much time falling down as he did covering recievers .... I guess that's Kibiak and Smith's fault too ?

:chickendance:
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Well, they were the guys who thought him the most NFL ready CB in the draft, so yeah. I think he is a safety. He lacks speed but can make a tackle and has decent ish ball skills.
 
But, but, but....he was the most NFL ready CB coming out of College.

Boy, all the talking heads and coaches were wrong on that one. Unless of course, it was our coaching that ruined him.

Geez, I hope Wade can throw some weight around and grab some good asst coaches. We's gonna need all the help we can get re-training
 
EllisUnit said:
i said he came in mid season no where in there do i say draft, it was to show his terrible play isnt on the coaches.
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Allen would have regressed under our coaching like every other FA that comes in to our team.

It's WAY too early to write off Kareem Jackson.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Allen would have regressed under our coaching like every other FA that comes in to our team.

It's WAY too early to write off Kareem Jackson.
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i dont think it is,,,,,if he was even descent towards the end that woulda been fine, but he showed NO improvment, he was always chasing the WR, he gave up big play after big play after big play. sticking with him is like if mcnair woulda stuck with frank bush for another season, does it make any sense ???
 
We'll find out soon enough if KJ was under-coached.

Personally, I think it's obvious Smith again picked the wrong guy.
 
EllisUnit said:
it dont matter if the ball should of been throw or not, the fact is that Jackson let his man get 10-15 steps ahead of him, cushing has nothing to do with Jacksons coverage skills. Sounds to me ur trying to tred water with this explanation.
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It was a 2-deep, 5-underneath zone.
It was not man coverage.
If it were man, you would see Adibi following the TE closely (which he did not - he was a thousand miles away) and you would see Cushing following the RB out of the backfield (he was a million miles away from "HIS" man).

There's nothing to do with skills in this play.
It was all scheme-related!
 
EllisUnit said:
i dont think it is,,,,,if he was even descent towards the end that woulda been fine, but he showed NO improvment, he was always chasing the WR, he gave up big play after big play after big play. sticking with him is like if mcnair woulda stuck with frank bush for another season, does it make any sense ???
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Ellis, you may be new to the board, but I think this may be a good instance to label YOU a bust in the world of TT.
 
Mr. White said:
Didn't Gibbs' system call for backpedaling?

If so, that would explain why the guy fell down so much.
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Backpedaling is standard technique for all DB's...

Gibbs used a technique where the DB's shuffled...

I didn't really notice it and I don't really thinks its all that big of a deal either way...

I think Kareem kept falling down because WR's were abusing him...The technique can't be blamed if he's the only one falling...
 
2slik4u said:
Ellis, you may be new to the board, but I think this may be a good instance to label YOU a bust in the world of TT.
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i was a member of HT.com in 2002 - till they changed the board and reset everything then i was a member up until a few months ago, i have been around a long time, i dont care if u think i'm a bust. if u think Kareem Jackson is the next best thing than i'd put in a resume into the Texans front office, cause like rick smith :smiliepalm: great minds think alike. They ran our 2010 season into the ground by going with him, so why not mess up 2011 as well.
 
EllisUnit said:
i was a member of HT.com in 2002 - till they changed the board and reset everything then i was a member up until a few months ago, i have been around a long time, i dont care if u think i'm a bust. if u think Kareem Jackson is the next best thing than i'd put in a resume into the Texans front office, cause like rick smith :smiliepalm: great minds think alike. They ran our 2010 season into the ground by going with him, so why not mess up 2011 as well.
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Once again (in my best kindergarten teacher voice, slow and clear), I never said he was the best. Hell, I didnt even say he was great. In fact, Ill go even further and tell you I didnt even say he was good.

What I said was, there are too many factors on our defensive staff/scheme that prohibit getting the most out of our players. KJ had a pretty rough year, I agree with that. But as stated in EVERY other one of my posts directed to you, one bad year as a rookie that is coached by the worst staff since "The Little Giants" and thrown out there to go man on the leagues best WR's AND not being able to gain ANY help from LB's blitzes, D-lineman's hurries, or safties help over top, you cannot judge accurately that he is a bust.

Give him the proper tools and if he blows it, then I will agree with you. I think with Wade in here, a good DB coach, and a decent (not even great) veteran mentor, he can be really good.

We will have to wait and see on this. Don't be so close minded with this.

Case in point - Nnamdi Asumogha. 0 PD - 0 int's in rookie year. 0 picks in first three. If KJ put up those stats, you would have crucified him.

Give the kid some time....
 
2slik4u said:
Once again (in my best kindergarten teacher voice, slow and clear), I never said he was the best. Hell, I didnt even say he was great. In fact, Ill go even further and tell you I didnt even say he was good.

What I said was, there are too many factors on our defensive staff/scheme that prohibit getting the most out of our players. KJ had a pretty rough year, I agree with that. But as stated in EVERY other one of my posts directed to you, one bad year as a rookie that is coached by the worst staff since "The Little Giants" and thrown out there to go man on the leagues best WR's AND not being able to gain ANY help from LB's blitzes, D-lineman's hurries, or safties help over top, you cannot judge accurately that he is a bust.

Give him the proper tools and if he blows it, then I will agree with you. I think with Wade in here, a good DB coach, and a decent (not even great) veteran mentor, he can be really good.

We will have to wait and see on this. Don't be so close minded with this.

Case in point - Nnamdi Asumogha. 0 PD - 0 int's in rookie year. 0 picks in first three. If KJ put up those stats, you would have crucified him.

Give the kid some time....
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all i'm saying is have a back-up plan, a FA or someone. we dont want to be stuck in the same position we were this season with a bad secondary and noone to step in to take over.
 
EllisUnit said:
all i'm saying is have a back-up plan, a FA or someone. we dont want to be stuck in the same position we were this season with a bad secondary and noone to step in to take over.
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Whaddup with all the advertising, EllisUnit?
Did you accidently sign up here instead of the NASCAR forums????

:tease:
 
EllisUnit said:
:goodpost: but no its the company i work for, Chesapeake energy, but since everyone was making a big deal about it i removed it.
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There was a thread (that I cant seem to find) that outlines the rules for sig's .... Anyone know where it went ?
 
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