Mario oh Mario

[T3X4NS FAN]

If I can remember correctly Mario got OWNED by a few tight ends last year. I mean for someone who was and currently still is overhyped; he couldnt even bullrush a tight end one on one. Im scared to say it but he might turn out to be our version of Tony Homo. I honestly think that most of his "injuries" were "just in case" excuses. If he does bad well blame it on the injuries, but if he does good then he looks like a superstar for playing thru his pain.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Mario had 1 (one) tackle....


Vonta "the BEAST" Leach had two ST tackles...



That s**t ain't right.......

 

[marks01234]

Mario had 1 (one) tackle....


Vonta "the BEAST" Leach had two ST tackles...



That s**t ain't right.......

What's your point?

Mario had a tackle for a loss. We had what - three of those all game?

The way he is lined up (outside of TE on a lot of occasions) he isn't going to get many tackles. That's fine. We don't pay Mario to tackle a running back 5 yards down the field.

You want to b*tch about his play - b*tch about the lack of QB pressures/sacks/tipped passes, etc. But tackles are an almost pointless stat for a pass rushing DE. Freeney had two tackles all game - care to suggest that he didn't make a big enough impact because he only had two tackles?

Mario has to get more pressure on the QB and to do that we need a secondary that can provide a few seconds of time to enable him to make his move and cover the distance. Mario beat his man several times on Monday - some to the inside, a lot to the outside and twice on a bull rush - every time Peyton was able to step up or released the ball well before Mario got close enough to effect the play. I'd wager that on 50% of the pass plays Mario or Smith could have been unblocked and Peyton still would have found the open reciever/tight end/running back with time to spare. That's not acceptable - nobody is going to make an impact like that.

 

[BigBull17]

What's your point?

Mario had a tackle for a loss. We had what - three of those all game?

The way he is lined up (outside of TE on a lot of occasions) he isn't going to get many tackles. That's fine. We don't pay Mario to tackle a running back 5 yards down the field.

You want to b*tch about his play - b*tch about the lack of QB pressures/sacks/tipped passes, etc. But tackles are an almost pointless stat for a pass rushing DE. Freeney had two tackles all game - care to suggest that he didn't make a big enough impact because he only had two tackles?

Mario has to get more pressure on the QB and to do that we need a secondary that can provide a few seconds of time to enable him to make his move and cover the distance. Mario beat his man several times on Monday - some to the inside, a lot to the outside and twice on a bull rush - every time Peyton was able to step up or released the ball well before Mario got close enough to effect the play. I'd wager that on 50% of the pass plays Mario or Smith could have been unblocked and Peyton still would have found the open reciever/tight end/running back with time to spare. That's not acceptable - nobody is going to make an impact like that.

Yeah, the D is such a total team cluster **** its hard to point blame.

 

[Texan_Bill]

What's your point?

Mario had a tackle for a loss. We had what - three of those all game?

The way he is lined up (outside of TE on a lot of occasions) he isn't going to get many tackles. That's fine. We don't pay Mario to tackle a running back 5 yards down the field.

You want to b*tch about his play - b*tch about the lack of QB pressures/sacks/tipped passes, etc. But tackles are an almost pointless stat for a pass rushing DE. Freeney had two tackles all game - care to suggest that he didn't make a big enough impact because he only had two tackles?

Mario has to get more pressure on the QB and to do that we need a secondary that can provide a few seconds of time to enable him to make his move and cover the distance. Mario beat his man several times on Monday - some to the inside, a lot to the outside and twice on a bull rush - every time Peyton was able to step up or released the ball well before Mario got close enough to effect the play. I'd wager that on 50% of the pass plays Mario or Smith could have been unblocked and Peyton still would have found the open reciever/tight end/running back with time to spare. That's not acceptable - nobody is going to make an impact like that.

My point is......... Mario had one tackle.









Did ya get that? ONE... O - N - E tackle.

That's my point!

We don't pay him to make tackles 5 yards down field? Whaaaaa???

WE pay him to make plays. We pay him to be a dominant force whether against the pass or run. He was a huge FAIL in both regards.

 

[BigBull17]

My point is......... Mario had one tackle.









Did ya get that? ONE... O - N - E tackle.

That's my point!

We don't pay him to make tackles 5 yards down field? Whaaaaa???

WE pay him to make plays. We pay him to be a dominant force whether against the pass or run. He was a huge FAIL in both regards.

I could name at least 8 guys on that defense who did less. Schaub had a way worse game. The coach had a worse game then all of them. Mario got pressures, Anderson got the sack, who else did anything? Cushing is proving everyday that he is a roid junkie, with one awful game after another. Diles couldn't lace up a real LBers shoes. Pollard is in an interesting place where he can't cover AND misses tackles. It's almost laughable at how bad and simple our defense is. To nlame one guy is a joke, regardless of what you expect of him.

 

[Texan_Bill]

I could name at least 8 guys on that defense who did less. Schaub had a way worse game. The coach had a worse game then all of them. Mario got pressures, Anderson got the sack, who else did anything? Cushing is proving everyday that he is a roid junkie, with one awful game after another. Diles couldn't lace up a real LBers shoes. Pollard is in an interesting place where he can't cover AND misses tackles. It's almost laughable at how bad and simple our defense is. To nlame one guy is a joke, regardless of what you expect of him.

True, in fact I would say 9 other guys. Eugene Wilson of all people was about the only one who did show up... Does that somehow excuse Mario's lack of presence?? No.

Schaub had a terrible game (also true), at the same time he's had some good games this season. Other than game 1 v. the Colts when has Mario had a really good game?? I wish people would quit deflecting criticism of Mario and his being called out (because that's the real "joke"). He was a #1 overall draft pick and your highest paid defensive player. He needs to be held accountable. What the joke is people who don't recognize that people like me have plenty of criticism to go around, but we call out supposed team leaders. The big dollar guys. The #1 draft choices who dissappear and who play with a lack of heart - i.e. Mario Williams... That's the joke!!!

 

[badboy]

For the life of me I don't understand this. Mario Williams is outstanding against the run and formidable in the pass rush. I don't remember the exact number but I believe he is in the top 5 for most sacks since he entered the league, and he gets no help. Well, now he is getting help from Antonio Smith. But seriously, who would yall take over Mario Williams, besides Dwight Freeney apparently?

Just cause he doesn't have a sack in every game doesn't mean he is ****. Seriously. Get real.

No one seems to be saying this Wagonhed. We are evaluating him on this season but he does have history of not going 100% all game. He had help last year from Barwin, Smith and our LBs. Remember our last two DROYs Cushing and Ryans? While the LBs have not been there this season Okoye has looked better the last two games as has Smith. Anderson got a sack and the few times I was able to observe him he did pretty well. Mario was not drafted to do well against the run. He was signed to raise havoc and disrupt the QB. SACKs! My evaluation of that ability depends on the game.

 

[silvrhand]

Hold on let me put these on..

Ahh ok now everything looks ok! GO GO SUPER MARIO YOU ARE GREAT!

 

[BullNation4Life]

True, in fact I would say 9 other guys. Eugene Wilson of all people was about the only one who did show up... Does that somehow excuse Mario's lack of presence?? No.

Schaub had a terrible game (also true), at the same time he's had some good games this season. Other than game 1 v. the Colts when has Mario had a really good game?? I wish people would quit deflecting criticism of Mario and his being called out (because that's the real "joke"). He was a #1 overall draft pick and your highest paid defensive player. He needs to be held accountable. What the joke is people who don't recognize that people like me have plenty of criticism to go around, but we call out supposed team leaders. The big dollar guys. The #1 draft choices who disappear and who play with a lack of heart - i.e. Mario Williams... That's the joke!!!

Guess you missed the 3 sack performance in Washington, huh? The fact you are trying to call him out is the real joke.

EVERY great DE had really good DT to push up the middle. When Mario got his sacks this year, it was Antonio Smith pushing up the middle where the QB had no place to go. Mario, just like Freeney and Mathis and the other great DE go to a spot where the QB is going to be, ie 5 step and 7 step drops, and if the QB steps up, it because the DT didn't do their job. Had you payed closer attention, you would have noticed that Freeney and Mathis got great push from their DT up the middle and Schaub had no where to go. That is where the success comes from, not just a DE making a great play one-on-one. This is also why Jason Babin, YES THAT JASON BABIN, is having the season he is having in Tennessee, because of the Titans DTs flushing out QBs.

Oh and Mario had only one tackle because the Colts threw most the night and ran away from him or up the middle on draw plays, which every team can on the Texans because there is no push up the middle. His one tackle came from closing down in the middle.

Folks around here measuring success on sacks need to learn a little more about the DE position. I see Mario flushing a QB out all the time, just nobody around to finish the job because they are being pushed 5 yards off the ball or out of position, thus making Mario look slow and that is the frustrating part. In fact, Mario shouldn't be the one flushing out the QB, it should be the DTs with Mario and Smith cleaning up for the sacks, but we all know why that doesn't happen. Don't know if it is scheme, which has alot to do with it, or players but to blame Mario completely is simply asinine....

 

[silvrhand]

blah blah mario is the best blah blah it's not mario's fault blah blah..

Players step up, players make plays, everyone else just makes excuses. Be a player make plays, not excuses. (Example: Freeney destroying our offensive line)

That's what Mario needs to do along with the rest of our defense.

 

[dc_txtech]

Mario has just as many sacks as Dwight Freeney this season, and since he came into the league in 06 he has more sacks than Freeney.

Just sayin...

 

[The1ApplePie]

I think Mario has put up good stats considering he plays with the worst DTs in football and has never be paired with a great pass rusher on the other side. Mark Anderson is a beast of a pure pass rusher and should help Mario a lot more as he get's playing time.

At the end of the day, outside Antonio Smith and Mark Anderson, Mario's supporting cast is a bust (Amboi), a fatass (Okam), a never was (Cody), and a rookie.

 

[badboy]

Mario has just as many sacks as Dwight Freeney this season, and since he came into the league in 06 he has more sacks than Freeney.

Just sayin...

You are missing the point of the thread. It is not just about numbers or we'd all be chortling at having a 4-3 record. It is about how the team is playing and in this specific thread, how Mario Williams is playing. Many of us think we are not getting the best out of this player. For example Schaub is having a pretty good year statistically but not what we want based upon what he did last year. Freeney could be having a down year also, but he did great against Texans. If Mario had 2 sacks against the Colts and performed well the entire game, this thread would not be here.

 

[dc_txtech]

You are missing the point of the thread. It is not just about numbers or we'd all be chortling at having a 4-3 record. It is about how the team is playing and in this specific thread, how Mario Williams is playing. Many of us think we are not getting the best out of this player. For example Schaub is having a pretty good year statistically but not what we want based upon what he did last year. Freeney could be having a down year also, but he did great against Texans. If Mario had 2 sacks against the Colts and performed well the entire game, this thread would not be here.

My point was that the expectations set on Mario by the fanbase seem unfair to me. There are so many things wrong with this team other than Mario, yet he seems to draw the ire of the fans more than anyone else.

Everybody is pointing to Freeney as some time of legendary figure who averages 5 sacks a game and Mario could never live up to his legacy. When the fact is that Mario has been just as good and arguably better than Freeney. In the 4 games before the Colts played the Texans Freeney got 4 tackles and 0 sacks, yet I doubt if the Colts fanbase was calling him lazy and overhyped.

But we have this thread at least once a season so I can't say I'm surprised.

 

[badboy]

My point was that the expectations set on Mario by the fanbase seem unfair to me. There are so many things wrong with this team other than Mario, yet he seems to draw the ire of the fans more than anyone else.
Everybody is pointing to Freeney as some time of legendary figure who averages 5 sacks a game and Mario could never live up to his legacy. When the fact is that Mario has been just as good and arguably better than Freeney. In the 4 games before the Colts played the Texans Freeney got 4 tackles and 0 sacks, yet I doubt if the Colts fanbase was calling him lazy and overhyped.

But we have this thread at least once a season so I can't say I'm surprised.

Have you read any of the other threads at all? I, alone have talked about JJ, Andre Johnson, Cushing, Schaub, Kareem Jackson, Pollard, E.Wilson and Eric Winston. You are accusing others of only speaking negatively about MW yet you seem to have on Mario colored glasses. Most expect more out of the #1 pick in the draft earning beaucoup millions of dollars over other players. I think you statement about Colts fans is probably inaccurate or would be if I were a Colts fan. Superstars are supposed to get 'er done.

 

[dc_txtech]

Have you read any of the other threads at all? I, alone have talked about JJ, Andre Johnson, Cushing, Schaub, Kareem Jackson, Pollard, E.Wilson and Eric Winston. You are accusing others of only speaking negatively about MW yet you seem to have on Mario colored glasses. Most expect more out of the #1 pick in the draft earning beaucoup millions of dollars over other players. I think you statement about Colts fans is probably inaccurate or would be if I were a Colts fan. Superstars are supposed to get 'er done.

No, I said "he draws the ire of the fans more than anyone else", never said people only speak negatively about Mario.

What more do you honestly expect from the # 1 pick? He's an elite run stuffer and averages 10 sacks a season, all while having virtually no help on the D-line and a secondary that's consistently at the bottom of the league. It seems to me as though anything short of Reggie White type production is going to be considered insufficient to our fans.

Looking back on the draft, I would still take Mario first and the only players I would even think about taking above him would be Ngata and Dbrick. I would say that he has lived up to his draft position just fine so far. But that's just my opinion.

 

[beerlover]

Texans scheme has not been the best fit for Mario & his teammates have yet to step-up next level so he can flourish. Football is such a team game, DL takes a collective group effort, no other elite pass rusher or dominant inside tackle allows teams to gameplan Mario & minimize his impact :mariopalm:

 

[Texecutioner]

Mario is overrated.

Be careful. I dared to say this a few weeks back and got slaughtered by a few folks for it. Don't you dare criticize Mario. He was the #1 pick in the draft and he's our stud. He just plays around other poor lineman and that's the problem. It's not on Mario.

 

[beerlover]

Be careful. I dared to say this a few weeks back and got slaughtered by a few folks for it. Don't you dare criticize Mario. He was the #1 pick in the draft and he's our stud. He just plays around other poor lineman and that's the problem. It's not on Mario.

damn skippy :mariopalm:

 

[Texecutioner]

Sorry, but I do get a funny chuckle at the blind supporters of Mario Williams on this site at this point. The excuses that pour out for this guy are almost as bad as the stuff I hear about Yao Ming. Mario is a DE, but that's where it stops. He's not some world beater at the position. He's never been that crazy DE that finds ways to disrupt offenses on almost every other play like you've seen in some of Freeney, Strahan, or Jared Allen's best years.

 

[marks01234]

No, I said "he draws the ire of the fans more than anyone else", never said people only speak negatively about Mario.

What more do you honestly expect from the # 1 pick? He's an elite run stuffer and averages 10 sacks a season, all while having virtually no help on the D-line and a secondary that's consistently at the bottom of the league. It seems to me as though anything short of Reggie White type production is going to be considered insufficient to our fans.

Looking back on the draft, I would still take Mario first and the only players I would even think about taking above him would be Ngata and Dbrick. I would say that he has lived up to his draft position just fine so far. But that's just my opinion.

Agreed +1

Rest of you guys are out of hand. Why don't we have these threads every week when Andre doesn't go over 100?

 

[Texecutioner]

Agreed +1

Rest of you guys are out of hand. Why don't we have these threads every week when Andre doesn't go over 100?

Lol!!

:mariopalm: at the comparison to Andre Johnson.

Mario couldn't carry Andre Johnson's jock strap as far as rising up to the hype as a player at his position. That's very disrespectful to AJ.

 

[BullNation4Life]

Lol!!

:mariopalm: at the comparison to Andre Johnson.

Mario couldn't carry Andre Johnson's jock strap as far as rising up to the hype as a player at his position. That's very disrespectful to AJ.

and AJ just lost the SD game for the Texans....

AJ is not untouchable....

 

[Texecutioner]

and AJ just lost the SD game for the Texans....

AJ is not untouchable....

AJ didn't lose the damn game. He dropped a pass at a critical time in the game, but he;s by far the most reliable player this franchise has ever had. He's gone way beyond earning a pass for a play like that, and I won't criticize him one bit for that play. He knows he ****ed up, and he'll own it and come back with a vengence. No one doubts that on bit.

Where was Mario again in this game?? Ha?? The ****ing Chargers threw the ball all over the field once again without Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd. I don't even know who these WR's are on this team, and Rivers still torched us.

Mario Williams is overrated, plain and simple and this is another game where this team needed him to be a dominant pass rusher and he disappeared for long periods of time.

 

[wagonhed]

So the criticism is that MW isn't a top 3 DE and he isn't Reggie White. Ok. Point taken. Real helpful.

 

[b0ng]

Meh. If other players on the DL were actually doing things, then I'd be more apt to hate on him. But, he's the only guy who actually does things other than just being there so. . . Not worried about him.

Now if we were talking about how Okoye or Cody or Smith wre terrible I'd probably agree.

 

[cain78749]

So the criticism is that MW isn't a top 3 DE and he isn't Reggie White. Ok. Point taken. Real helpful.

He isn't even top 20.

 

[BullNation4Life]

AJ didn't lose the damn game. He dropped a pass at a critical time in the game, but he;s by far the most reliable player this franchise has ever had. He's gone way beyond earning a pass for a play like that, and I won't criticize him one bit for that play. He knows he ****ed up, and he'll own it and come back with a vengence. No one doubts that on bit.

Where was Mario again in this game?? Ha?? The ****ing Chargers threw the ball all over the field once again without Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd. I don't even know who these WR's are on this team, and Rivers still torched us.

Mario Williams is overrated, plain and simple and this is another game where this team needed him to be a dominant pass rusher and he disappeared for long periods of time.

Funny, Saw Mario moving Rivers around all day, yet Rivers could step up because there was absolutely no push up the middle by the DTs....

Oh and Mario was in on a sack but since he didn't get 5 on the day, he is overrated....

Learn what the DE position is about then come talk to me....

 

[wagonhed]

He isn't even top 20.

lol. ok.

yeah I agree, he is probably like 45th or so out of starting DEs.

 

[marks01234]

Mario was terrible today. He only got the one sack, he had missed the block letting Schaub get sacked and he dropped the ball at the end of the game.

He is the reason why we continue to lose. Maybe somebody will give us a 7th round pick?



Get real guys - He'll be going to the Pro Bowl again this year and is probably the AFC's best DE. Rivers and his WRs of the street have pilled up yards and points against everybody this season - did you really expect any different with our DB's?

 

[wagonhed]

He isn't even top 20.

btw, please list 20 who are better.

 

[cain78749]

btw, please list 20 who are better.

Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Justin Tuck
Richard Seymour
Julius Peppers
Osi Umenyiora
Trent Cole
Robert Mathis
Justin Smith
Will Smith
DeMarcus Ware
Aaron Smith
Brian Orakpo
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously)
John Abraham
Aaron Kampman
Shaun Ellis
Ray Edwards
Andre Carter
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy)

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).

 

[wagonhed]

:kubepalm:

 

[Texecutioner]

Oh and Mario was in on a sack but since he didn't get 5 on the day, he is overrated....

Learn what the DE position is about then come talk to me....

He's overrated. Again, I'm not saying he sucks. I'm not saying he isn't good. He is, but he's not the world beating DE that some of you try to represent him as. You're right that he would possibly be more effective on a team that had better DT's but that's a played out excuse for him since he's been here. The fact is that we don't have great DT's and that's not going to change any time soon. Great players find ways to step up and do "major" things even under tougher circumstances. Mario is not a guy that does that. He's the same guy that pro scouts said he was when they described him as a total world beater when he wants to be that takes plays off at times and doesn't always go 100%. When he does and when he's enraged, he's very dangerous, but we just don't see that side of him all of the time. He's 100% exactly what the pro scouts described him as when we drafted him.

 

[cain78749]

:kubepalm:

Under that facepalm are you pondering that great sack he had of VY on MNF? Of that great run stop he made to propel the Texans into the playoffs? How about the unbelievable tenacity to break through against Manning this past monday?

Heck, even Antonio Smith outperformed him today, even with that early stat-padding sack Mario picked up.

 

[JB]

Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Justin Tuck
Richard Seymour
Julius Peppers
Osi Umenyiora
Trent Cole
Robert Mathis
Justin Smith
Will Smith
DeMarcus Ware
Aaron Smith
Brian Orakpo
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously)
John Abraham
Aaron Kampman
Shaun Ellis
Ray Edwards
Andre Carter
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy)

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).

Really? Really??? Just started following football recently did you?

 

[gafftop]

C'mon guys Mario had a great game. Didn't you see his POSE in the first series. He is a stud. 1/2 sacks in four games

 

[marks01234]

Jared Allen - Had a good today - otherwise one sack on the season. Plays alongside a great line. It's debateable
Dwight Freeney - Offers no run support and play opposite another great DE. Has benefit of O putting points up forcing other teams to pass 40+ times a game. Obviously Freeney body of work is outstanding however I'll take Mario today.
Justin Tuck - Given the talent around him explain why Mario has put up better numbers?
Richard Seymour - Hard to compare since they have been asked to do different things there entire career - Seymour obviously has had a great career but is probably past his prime right now.
Julius Peppers - Debateable but I'll take Mario. Has disappeared for full seasons at a time. Is more verstatile though. Wish Mario could learn to break passes up like Peppers. Has only two sacks on the season.
Osi Umenyiora - Given the talent around him explain why Mario has put up better numbers?
Trent Cole - LOL - worthless in run support
Robert Mathis - see Trent Cole
Justin Smith - Solid player but lets get serious.
Will Smith - See J Smith
DeMarcus Ware - Hard to compare a 3-4 OLB with a 4-3 DE but otherwise I will give it to you.
Aaron Smith - Ugh he is sackless on the season and has been beaten down by injuries. I know he is asked to do different things but do you honestly think he is better than Mario?
Brian Orakpo - Good player - again hard to compare guys that are asked to do different things - Not exactly a game changer though.
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously) - See Trent Cole
John Abraham - Past his prime right now but still steady. Not seeing where you could actually think he is better than Mario right now. Hope Mario can be as consistenct for his career though.
Aaron Kampman - See Abraham
Shaun Ellis - Good player who hasn't had a ten sack season since 2004. Why I am even bothering here?
Ray Edwards - Again had a good game today against Arizona but otherwise has done nothing this year.
Andre Carter - Past his prime right now.
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy) - Not worth even commenting

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).



Ask for padding his stats. Care to mention where any of 6 sacks this year were not big? And we rarely if ever hold the lead in the 4th quarter where Mario can pin his ears back and get any padded sacks stats. Has Mario benefited from broken plays and help from the opposite side - sure but so has every other play on that list. Mario also caused a lot a broken plays that arent recorded on the stat book.

BTW, he did draw a double team a lot today.

 

[silvrhand]

Anyone seen Mario, last I saw Mario was heading 15 yards behind Michael Vick by a backup Right Tackle, and sometimes by a TE..


:mariopalm: :mariopalm: :mariopalm:

 

[NitroGSXR]

I am firmly off the Mario Williams bandwagon for one reason and only one reason... he's going to be expensive to retain. He simply isn't consistent enough to warrant us spending over 100 million. The Texans pass rush is atrocious. It all starts and ends with Captain Mario Williams.

Draft position here we come...

 

[wagonhed]

I am firmly off the Mario Williams bandwagon for one reason and only one reason... he's going to be expensive to retain. He simply isn't consistent enough to warrant us spending over 100 million. The Texans pass rush is atrocious. It all starts and ends with Captain Mario Williams.

Draft position here we come...

The pass rush is bad.
It's our best pass rushers fault.
Therefore, we should get rid of our best pass rusher.


This is your logic? I'm glad you're not the GM.

 

[NitroGSXR]

The pass rush is bad.
It's our best pass rushers fault.
Therefore, we should get rid of our best pass rusher.


This is your logic? I'm glad you're not the GM.

Well, I'm not the GM. I thought this was a board where we put out our random thoughts. What's with the jib? Incapable of being nice to people? Please don't maliciously summarize my posts so you can get your jollies off. This isn't the NSZ. Ok thanx. C'mon now wagonhed. I'm not trying to nor act like a GM.

 

[chicagotexan2]

Mario's most dominant season won't come until his contract year. He's been good, sometimes better than average and occasionally plays like a dominant DE. But overall he's only good. Even though I hate the guy I wish he played like Jared Allen. He's the Texans version of Yao Ming minus the health issues. I expect much more than what he does.

 

[burro]

I hate to beat a dead horse, but Mario is just poorly coached. If we had a halfway decent DC that could motivate him and maybe even teach him a thing or two, he would be an elite player.

 

[NitroGSXR]

I hate to beat a dead horse, but Mario is just poorly coached. If we had a halfway decent DC that could motivate him and maybe even teach him a thing or two, he would be an elite player.

I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.

 

[RazorOye]

But overall he's only good. Even though I hate the guy I wish he played like Jared Allen. I expect much more than what he does.

that last sentence could be applied to Jared Allen as well

I don't know how Jared Allen is an example of consistency - he has a tendency to disappear in some games entirely while blowing up in others.

Personally, I'd rather Mario over Allen. Allen benefits from a much stronger line than Williams has in Houston - put JA in a Texans uniform alongside the Texans' DL, and I don't think the guy merits a mention as a strong or elite DE.

 

[chicagotexan2]

I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.

He may be poorly coached, but the guy has ability and doesn't seem to use it. I'd say as expensive as it might be I'd rather franchise him for a year or two instead of being handcuffed by a long contract.

 

[NitroGSXR]

He may be poorly coached, but the guy has ability and doesn't seem to use it. I'd say as expensive as it might be I'd rather franchise him for a year or two instead of being handcuffed by a long contract.

Totally agreed. I'm thinking the new CBA or labor agreement will strengthen the player's position this time around... but hell yes... you tag Mario Williams if necessary.

I am only referring to a long-term contract.

 

[Dishman]

During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's the coaching he's getting.